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24th Aug '16 12:44:32 AM Totema
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' is often interpreted this way by people defending its more questionable choices - the ChosenOne RagtagBunchOfMisfits are a violent and miserable group who hate each other (like they'd be in reality) rather than TrueCompanions, the entire world is a [[SlidingScaleOfLinearityVsOpenness beautiful hyper-linear tube]] (which is all that {{JRPG}}s are under the hood), the token overly sexualised GenkiGirl is deliberately irritating and completely insane, TheHero is not, the EmoTeen is a shitlord, the Cid is evil... However, it could just as easily be a case of {{Franchise Original Sin}}s becoming magnified to extremes with unintentionally DeconstructiveParody effects.

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' is often interpreted this way by people defending its more questionable choices - the ChosenOne RagtagBunchOfMisfits are a violent and miserable group who hate each other (like they'd be in reality) rather than TrueCompanions, the entire world is a [[SlidingScaleOfLinearityVsOpenness beautiful hyper-linear tube]] (which is all that {{JRPG}}s are under the hood), tube]], the token overly sexualised GenkiGirl is deliberately irritating and completely insane, TheHero is not, the EmoTeen is a shitlord, the Cid is evil... However, it could just as easily be a case of {{Franchise Original Sin}}s becoming magnified to extremes with unintentionally DeconstructiveParody effects.
5th Aug '16 12:01:17 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' parodies this with the page image (original comic [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1656#comic here]]).

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* ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' ''Webcomic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' parodies this with the page image (original comic [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1656#comic here]]).
7th Jul '16 9:42:55 AM gewunomox
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* Music/BobDylan's 1970 album ''Self Portrait'' (mainly made up of sloppily-performed cover versions) received the first mostly (and often viciously) negative reviews of his career. In the first few years after its release he defended the album, but since then he's claimed that it was [[WriterRevolt a deliberate attempt to alienate his more obsessed fans]]. Dylan also made the same claim about his previous album, ''Nashville Skyline'', a country-flavored album where Dylan trades in his nasal sneer for a singing voice that borders on crooning. Ultimately, both albums were Top Ten [=LPs=], and ''Nashville Skyline'' even kept TheWho's ''{{Tommy}}'' out of the #1 spot in the [=UK=]. ''Nashville Skyline'' at least has since been VindicatedByHistory.

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* Music/BobDylan's 1970 album ''Self Portrait'' (mainly made up of sloppily-performed cover versions) received the first mostly (and often viciously) negative reviews of his career. In the first few years after its release he defended the album, but since then he's claimed that it was [[WriterRevolt a deliberate attempt to alienate his more obsessed fans]]. Dylan also made the same claim about his previous album, ''Nashville Skyline'', a country-flavored album where Dylan trades in his nasal sneer for a singing voice that borders on crooning. Ultimately, both albums were Top Ten [=LPs=], and ''Nashville Skyline'' even kept TheWho's ''{{Tommy}}'' Music/TheWho's ''Music/{{Tommy}}'' out of the #1 spot in the [=UK=]. ''Nashville Skyline'' at least has since been VindicatedByHistory.
28th Jun '16 6:38:31 AM Midna
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* ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'': FrankMiller has responded to the criticism by saying that it's a parody. No one is entirely sure whether it's true or not, some think it's this trope, others think he's telling the truth. It helps his case that he claimed [[MisaimedFandom his comics were meant as parodies]] when people still ''liked'' them.

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* ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'': FrankMiller has responded The notorious ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is claimed to the criticism be a parody by saying that it's a parody.Creator/FrankMiller. No one is entirely sure whether it's true or not, some think it's this trope, others think he's telling the truth. It helps his case that he claimed [[MisaimedFandom his comics were meant as parodies]] when people still ''liked'' them.



* When ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' came out, author Dan Slott defended all of Otto's evil deeds, claiming they were in some way heroic, up to and including him erasing Peter's lingering consciousness from his mind. In general fans threw complaints that Otto was a CreatorsPet and VillainSue at the book, with Dan shrugging them off and calling him a hero. When the book began to finish the Otto-As-Peter arc, he backtracked and claimed Otto was always intended to be the bad guy.

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* When ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' came out, author Dan Slott defended all of Otto's Spidey-Ock's evil deeds, claiming they were in some way heroic, up to and including him erasing Peter's lingering consciousness from his mind. In general fans threw complaints that Otto was a CreatorsPet and VillainSue at the book, with Dan shrugging them off and calling him a hero. When the book began to finish the Otto-As-Peter arc, he backtracked and claimed Otto was always intended to be the bad guy.



* ''Film/IndependenceDay''. Roland Emmerich repeatedly claimed that it was supposed to be comical all along. It's a rare example of a film that was very successful when appreciated straight. It does have enough humor and {{Shout Out}}s (Brent Spiner/AKA Data as a scientist, flying saucers, Area 51, etc.) to be an edge case.
* ''Film/TheHappening''. M. Night Shyamalan attempted to downplay its critical curb-stomping by claiming he intended it as a parody of bad B movies. No one believed him. See also DeliberateFlawRetcon.

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* ''Film/IndependenceDay''. Roland Emmerich repeatedly claimed that it ''Film/IndependenceDay'' was supposed to be comical all along.along, according to Roland Emmerich. It's a rare example of a film that was very successful when appreciated straight. It does have enough humor and {{Shout Out}}s (Brent Spiner/AKA Data as a scientist, flying saucers, Area 51, etc.) to be an edge case.
* ''Film/TheHappening''. ''Film/TheHappening'' was claimed to be a parody of bad B-movies by M. Night Shyamalan attempted as an attempt to downplay its critical curb-stomping by claiming he intended it as a parody of bad B movies.curb-stomping. No one believed him. See also DeliberateFlawRetcon.



* ''Film/MonsterAGoGo'': Completing the snarky puppet trifecta, Herschel Gordon Lewis claimed it was a parody of some sort, although ''what'' exactly it's a parody of is unknown.
* ''Film/RatPfinkABooBoo''. This occurred during the filming of the 1966 B-movie . It starts out serious, but apparently halfway through, the director (Ray Dennis Steckler, the same guy who directed ''[[Film/TheIncrediblyStrangeCreatures The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies]]'') got bored and decided to film the rest of it as a comedy/parody.
* ''Film/TheRoom''. The most famous example is probably the backpedaling done by Tommy Wiseau (director, writer, and star) after his SoBadItsGood melodrama was released and critically panned. He decided to pull a AscendedFanon when people asked him if this was supposed to be taken seriously and say it was a black comedy all along. It even says so on the DVD case. Most fans of the movie still don't believe him. It doesn't help his case that, even as he uses the "Black Comedy" label, [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously he still describes the content of the film in melodramatic, passionate terms.]]
* ''Film/SpaceMutiny'': The legendary (thanks to ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'') sci-fi stinker's lead actress claimed that the whole thing was in fact a spoof of the genre, which might at least explain the cheesy sets and costumes, as well as the bizarre "ancient dentistry" scene. Although that doesn't explain why, of the three directors that worked on the film, one wanted his name removed, another has his buried deep in the credits, and the third isn't listed at all.

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* ''Film/MonsterAGoGo'': Completing the snarky puppet trifecta, Herschel Gordon Lewis ''Film/MonsterAGoGo'' was claimed it was to be a parody of some sort, sort by Gordon Lewis, although ''what'' exactly it's a parody of is unknown.
* ''Film/RatPfinkABooBoo''. This occurred during the filming of the 1966 B-movie . It ''Film/RatPfinkABooBoo'' starts out serious, but apparently halfway through, the director (Ray Dennis Steckler, the same guy who directed ''[[Film/TheIncrediblyStrangeCreatures The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies]]'') got bored and decided to film the rest of it as a comedy/parody.
* ''Film/TheRoom''. The most famous example ''Film/TheRoom'' is probably the backpedaling done by most famous example. Tommy Wiseau (director, writer, and star) did some serious backpedaling after his SoBadItsGood melodrama was released and critically panned. He decided to pull a AscendedFanon when people asked him if this was supposed to be taken seriously and say it was a black comedy all along. It even says so on the DVD case. Most fans of the movie still don't believe him. It doesn't help his case that, even as he uses the "Black Comedy" label, [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously he still describes the content of the film in melodramatic, passionate terms.]]
* ''Film/SpaceMutiny'': The legendary (thanks to ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'') sci-fi stinker's lead actress of ''Film/SpaceMutiny'' claimed that the whole thing was in fact a spoof of the genre, sci-fi genre (possibly trying to save face after its appearance on ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000''), which might at least explain the cheesy sets and costumes, costumes as well as the bizarre "ancient dentistry" scene. Although that doesn't explain why, of the three directors that worked on the film, one wanted his name removed, another has his buried deep in the credits, and the third isn't listed at all.



* ''Film/JeepersCreepers'', but not by the filmmakers. In 2013, it got a tv broadcast......on Creator/ComedyCentral, who advertised it as [[{{Narm}} a comedy]].

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* ''Film/JeepersCreepers'', but not by the filmmakers. In 2013, it got a tv broadcast......TV broadcast... on Creator/ComedyCentral, who advertised it as [[{{Narm}} a comedy]].



* Released as a horror movie, ''Film/ManosTheHandsOfFate'' resulted in laughter in the face of how [[SoBadItsGood unimaginably bad it was.]] The director himself suggested that perhaps it would do better redubbed as a GagDub.[[note]]The Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 episode doing exactly this would prove him right as it became the series most popular episode and launched the movie into popular culture awareness.[[/note]]

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* Released as a horror movie, ''Film/ManosTheHandsOfFate'' resulted in laughter in the face of how [[SoBadItsGood unimaginably bad it was.]] The director himself suggested that perhaps it would do better redubbed as a GagDub.[[note]]The Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' episode doing exactly this would prove him right right, as it became the series series' most popular episode and launched the movie into popular culture awareness.[[/note]]



* ''Literature/BattlefieldEarth'': Creator/LRonHubbard's publishers responded to criticism of the novel by claiming that it was meant to be satirical. Riiiight.

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* ''Literature/BattlefieldEarth'': Creator/LRonHubbard's publishers responded to criticism of the novel by claiming that it was meant to be satirical. Riiiight.



* Music/BeastieBoys. These guys like to pretend that their first album, "Licensed to Ill", was a parody of Rap and frat boy attitudes... despite the fact that the album seems to be a straight example of these attitudes as opposed to a send-up or even a subtle parody.
** Plus, if you have seen the video album they made it makes it even more painfully clear.

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* Music/BeastieBoys. These guys The Music/BeastieBoys like to pretend that their first album, "Licensed to Ill", was a parody of Rap and frat boy attitudes... despite the fact that the album seems to be a straight example of these attitudes as opposed to a send-up or even a subtle parody.
** Plus,
parody. It's even more painfully clear if you have you've seen the video album they made it makes it even more painfully clear.made.



* Music/BrokenCYDE, a {{Crunkcore}} group pulls a ParodyRetcon when they're flopping but [[IndecisiveParody switches back]] to DoingItForTheArt whenever they're doing well commercially.

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* Music/BrokenCYDE, a {{Crunkcore}} group pulls group, pullx a ParodyRetcon when they're flopping but [[IndecisiveParody switches back]] to DoingItForTheArt whenever they're doing well commercially.



* This is what seems to be evolving around Sergei Prokofiev, whose cantatas lavishing praises upon Stalin have, in recent years, suddenly been determined by some critics to have really been mocking Stalin all along. Somewhat ironic, as, in earlier decades, his political works presented problems for his popularity in the West, with Prokofiev being dismissed as a Soviet propagandist.

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* This is what seems to be evolving around Sergei Prokofiev, whose cantatas lavishing praises upon Stalin have, in recent years, suddenly been determined by some critics to have really been mocking Stalin all along. Somewhat ironic, as, as in earlier decades, his political works presented problems for his popularity in the West, with Prokofiev being dismissed as a Soviet propagandist.



* Marmite. During the 2010 UK general election, the makers of the product threatened legal action after the British National Party included a jar of Marmite in one of their videos. The BNP originally claimed their video had been a parody, and only later admitted that it was a [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8647630.stm mistake]]. (In case you were wondering why they took such offense, the British National Party is more accurately described as the British Nazi Party.)

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* Marmite. During the 2010 UK general election, the makers of the product Marmite threatened legal action after the British National Party included a jar of Marmite the product in one of their videos. The BNP originally claimed their video had been a parody, and only later admitted that it was a [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8647630.stm mistake]]. (In case you were wondering why they took such offense, the British National Party is more accurately described as the British Nazi Party.)



* ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal''. Parodied with the page image (original comic [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1656#comic here]]).

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* ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal''. Parodied ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' parodies this with the page image (original comic [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1656#comic here]]).






* Internet {{troll}}s, as immortalized by the [[http://lol.i.trollyou.com/ "LOL I TROLL U"]] comic. Some claim that their antics were "just an experiment." This is so common, that the phrase "Social Experiment" has become both a [[MemeticMutation meme]] and a trope of its own among the denizens of Fandom Wank.

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* Internet {{troll}}s, as immortalized by the [[http://lol.i.trollyou.com/ "LOL I TROLL U"]] comic. Some claim that their antics were "just an experiment." This is so common, common that the phrase "Social Experiment" has become both a [[MemeticMutation meme]] and a trope of its own among the denizens of Fandom Wank.



* Conversed in the ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' episode, "Asian Girlz": Dan thinks this is not really that good of an excuse because satire can done badly. The example he uses is the titular song "Asian Girlz". It was accused of [[RaceFetish fetishizing Asian women]]. So the band claimed it was a satire, but it doesn't offer any criticism of said fetishization and thus fails at satirizing it.

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* Conversed Discussed in the ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' episode, "Asian Girlz": Dan thinks this is not really that good of an excuse because satire can done badly. The example he uses is the titular eponymous song "Asian Girlz". It was accused of [[RaceFetish fetishizing Asian women]]. So the band claimed it was a satire, but it the song doesn't offer any criticism of said fetishization and thus fails at satirizing it.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When it was first released, "Homer's Enemy" was considered [[BlackComedyBurst extremely dark compared to the typical bulk of the series]], which the creators later claimed was their intent all along; contrasting Springfield and its flaws to the reactions of a [[OnlySaneMan 'real person']] and what would happen if such a person lived there. The episode has [[VindicatedByHistory certainly been vindicated in later years as a fan favourite]], possibly because [[BlackComedy such humour]] has become much more mainstay.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': When it was first released, ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Homer's Enemy" was considered [[BlackComedyBurst extremely dark compared to the typical bulk of the series]], which the series]] when it was first released. The creators later claimed this was their intent all along; contrasting Springfield and its flaws to the reactions of a [[OnlySaneMan 'real person']] "real person"]], and what would happen if such a person lived there. The episode has [[VindicatedByHistory certainly been vindicated in later years as a fan favourite]], possibly because [[BlackComedy such humour]] has become much more mainstay.
17th May '16 4:48:35 AM erforce
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' had one InUniverse: A playground kid mocks Rallo's "stupid rap," and Rallo replies that it's a joke band, "like SpinalTap, or [[TakeThat Aerosmith]]".

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' had one InUniverse: A playground kid mocks Rallo's "stupid rap," and Rallo replies that it's a joke band, "like SpinalTap, [[Film/ThisIsSpinalTap Spinal Tap]], or [[TakeThat Aerosmith]]".
12th May '16 5:27:55 AM VicGeorge2011
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* ''Film/{{Showgirls}}'' was savaged by critics and audiences when it came out, but has since attracted a fairly large cult following, with some of it's fans seeing the movie as SoBadItsGood, and others seeing the movie as a satire of the Vegas entertainment scene, or even fame and pop culture itself. It's also seen by some as a deconstruction of traditional RagsToRiches stories using elements of ''Film/AStarIsBorn'' and ''Film/AllAboutEve''.

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* ''Film/{{Showgirls}}'' was savaged by critics and audiences when it came out, but has since attracted a fairly large cult following, with some of it's its fans seeing the movie as SoBadItsGood, and others seeing the movie as a satire of the Vegas entertainment scene, or even fame and pop culture itself. It's also seen by some as a deconstruction of traditional RagsToRiches stories using elements of ''Film/AStarIsBorn'' and ''Film/AllAboutEve''.
8th May '16 4:47:40 PM MikeBoat
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* The Music/LemonDemon song "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDYj_4RCcrg The Satirist's Love Song]]" is about someone using this trope to explain a failed relationship:
--> ''I've been satirizing ever since''\\
''The first day we met''\\
''Our love is a great work of satire''\\
''That you just didn't get''
5th May '16 1:09:18 PM pinkdalek
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* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':
** A lot of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'''s fans argue against criticism of the game's LighterAndSofter nature, daft ClicheStorm elements or its LargeHam boss by insisting it's a parody of ''Final Fantasy''. There's a few sequences that qualify as parody of how these games tend to go down (Bartz waking up from a meaningful dream about his destiny to discover his party staring at him freaking out, the whole SoupCans sequence with the Ronkan door switch), but for the most part it's a normal ''Final Fantasy'' with jokes in.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' is often interpreted this way by people defending its more questionable choices - the ChosenOne RagtagBunchOfMisfits are a violent and miserable group who hate each other (like they'd be in reality) rather than TrueCompanions, the entire world is a [[SlidingScaleOfLinearityVsOpenness beautiful hyper-linear tube]] (which is all that {{JRPG}}s are under the hood), the token overly sexualised GenkiGirl is deliberately irritating and completely insane, TheHero is not, the EmoTeen is a shitlord, the Cid is evil... However, it could just as easily be a case of {{Franchise Original Sin}}s becoming magnified to extremes with unintentionally DeconstructiveParody effects.
27th Apr '16 3:43:45 AM Morgenthaler
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* Inverted with ''Film/TheIncredibleMeltingMan''. The director has gone on record to say that he intended it from the start to be a parody of monster flicks (which considering its ridiculous premise and being made about 20 years after the heyday of such movies in the 1950s, isn't hard to believe), but that that the final product isn't one. It ended up being a hot mess thanks to ExecutiveMeddling, when the studio insisted that he play it all totally straight against his wishes.
21st Apr '16 7:02:46 PM billybobfred
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* Internet {{troll}}s. Some claim that their antics were "just an experiment." This is so common, that the phrase "Social Experiment" has become both a [[MemeticMutation meme]] and a trope of its own among the denizens of Fandom Wank.

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* Internet {{troll}}s.{{troll}}s, as immortalized by the [[http://lol.i.trollyou.com/ "LOL I TROLL U"]] comic. Some claim that their antics were "just an experiment." This is so common, that the phrase "Social Experiment" has become both a [[MemeticMutation meme]] and a trope of its own among the denizens of Fandom Wank.
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