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31st Mar '17 3:34:51 PM MarkLungo
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* Creator/MNightShyamalan claimed that his''Film/TheHappening'' was a parody of B-movies as an attempt to downplay its critical curb-stomping. No one believed him. See also DeliberateFlawRetcon.

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* Creator/MNightShyamalan claimed that his''Film/TheHappening'' his ''Film/TheHappening'' was a parody of B-movies as an attempt to downplay its critical curb-stomping. No one believed him. See also DeliberateFlawRetcon.
31st Mar '17 3:34:14 PM MarkLungo
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* ''Film/IndependenceDay'' was supposed to be comical all along, according to Roland Emmerich. It's a rare example of a film that was very successful when appreciated straight. It does have enough humor and {{Shout Out}}s (Creator/BrentSpiner [AKA [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Data]] as a scientist, flying saucers, Area 51, etc.) to be an edge case.

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* ''Film/IndependenceDay'' was supposed to be comical all along, according to Roland Emmerich. It's a rare example of a film that was very successful when appreciated straight. It does have enough humor and {{Shout Out}}s (Creator/BrentSpiner [AKA [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Data]] Data]]] as a scientist, flying saucers, Area 51, {{Area 51}}, etc.) to be an edge case.
31st Mar '17 3:32:17 PM MarkLungo
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* ''Film/MommieDearest'' is perhaps the TropeCodifier. After its poor initial reception, Creator/ParamountPictures started advertising it as a parody a few weeks after its release, changing its movie posters to proclaim, "Meet the biggest MOTHER of them all!"

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* ''Film/MommieDearest'' is perhaps the TropeCodifier. After its poor initial reception, Creator/ParamountPictures Creator/{{Paramount}} started advertising it as a parody a few weeks after its release, changing its movie posters to proclaim, "Meet the biggest MOTHER of them all!"



* ''Film/IndependenceDay'' was supposed to be comical all along, according to Roland Emmerich. It's a rare example of a film that was very successful when appreciated straight. It does have enough humor and {{Shout Out}}s (Brent Spiner/AKA Data as a scientist, flying saucers, Area 51, etc.) to be an edge case.
* M. Night Shyamalan claimed that his''Film/TheHappening'' was a parody of B-movies as an attempt to downplay its critical curb-stomping. No one believed him. See also DeliberateFlawRetcon.

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* ''Film/IndependenceDay'' was supposed to be comical all along, according to Roland Emmerich. It's a rare example of a film that was very successful when appreciated straight. It does have enough humor and {{Shout Out}}s (Brent Spiner/AKA Data (Creator/BrentSpiner [AKA [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Data]] as a scientist, flying saucers, Area 51, etc.) to be an edge case.
* M. Night Shyamalan Creator/MNightShyamalan claimed that his''Film/TheHappening'' was a parody of B-movies as an attempt to downplay its critical curb-stomping. No one believed him. See also DeliberateFlawRetcon.
26th Mar '17 9:47:42 PM JoeMerl
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* An in-universe example is found in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''. [[spoiler:Zz'dtri the Drow Wizard was initially defeated after Vaarsuvius points out that he's a ripoff of [[OverusedCopycatCharacter Drizzt Do'urden]] and got dragged off by lawyers. However he returns much later in the story, stating that he got off by declaring himself a parody of Drizzt and returned to working for Nale long ago.]]

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* An in-universe example is found InUniverse in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''. [[spoiler:Zz'dtri ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick,'' due to its having NoFourthWall. Zz'dtri the Drow Wizard was initially defeated after Vaarsuvius points out that he's a ripoff of [[OverusedCopycatCharacter Drizzt Do'urden]] and got dragged off by lawyers. However he returns much later in the story, stating that he got off by declaring himself a parody of Drizzt and returned to working for Nale long ago.]]Nale.



* Discussed in the ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' episode, "Asian Girlz": Dan thinks this is not really that good of an excuse because satire can done badly. The example he uses is the eponymous song "Asian Girlz". It was accused of [[RaceFetish fetishizing Asian women]]. So the band claimed it was satire, but the song doesn't offer any criticism of said fetishization and thus fails at satirizing it.

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* Discussed in the ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' episode, "Asian Girlz": Dan thinks this is not really that good of an excuse because satire can done badly. The example he uses is the eponymous song "Asian Girlz". Girlz." It was accused of [[RaceFetish fetishizing Asian women]]. So the band claimed it was satire, but the song doesn't offer any criticism of said fetishization and thus fails at satirizing it.
17th Mar '17 1:05:28 PM Smeagol17
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* ''Film/TheRoom'' is probably the most famous example. Tommy Wiseau (director, writer, and star) did some serious backpedaling after his SoBadItsGood melodrama was released and critically panned. He decided to pull a AscendedFanon when people asked him if this was supposed to be taken seriously and say it was a black comedy all along. It even says so on the DVD case. Most fans of the movie still don't believe him. It doesn't help his case that, even as he uses the "Black Comedy" label, [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously he still describes the content of the film in melodramatic, passionate terms.]]* ''Film/MommieDearest'' is perhaps the TropeCodifier. After its poor initial reception, Creator/ParamountPictures started advertising it as a parody a few weeks after its release, changing its movie posters to proclaim, "Meet the biggest MOTHER of them all!"

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* ''Film/TheRoom'' is probably the most famous example. Tommy Wiseau (director, writer, and star) did some serious backpedaling after his SoBadItsGood melodrama was released and critically panned. He decided to pull a AscendedFanon when people asked him if this was supposed to be taken seriously and say it was a black comedy all along. It even says so on the DVD case. Most fans of the movie still don't believe him. It doesn't help his case that, even as he uses the "Black Comedy" label, [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously he still describes the content of the film in melodramatic, passionate terms.]]* ]]
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''Film/MommieDearest'' is perhaps the TropeCodifier. After its poor initial reception, Creator/ParamountPictures started advertising it as a parody a few weeks after its release, changing its movie posters to proclaim, "Meet the biggest MOTHER of them all!"
17th Mar '17 12:56:45 PM frogpatrol
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* The ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode guide ''The Discontinuity Guide'' suggests that "The Creature From the Pit" is either a parody of bad science fiction, or just bad science fiction.

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* DouglasAdams inverted this trope. In the early 1980's academic work ''Doctor Who - The ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode guide ''The Discontinuity Guide'' suggests that "The Creature From Unfolding Text'', he defended his work as script editor on the Pit" is either a parody series and said he had meant to look more, not less seriously, at the tropes of bad science fiction, or just bad science fiction.''Main/DoctorWho''. Adams had envisioned a serial in which the Doctor (temporarily) decides to give up saving planets, but the producer Graham Williams had vetoed the idea.
17th Mar '17 12:50:23 PM frogpatrol
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A subtrope of DeliberateFlawRetcon, which is any case when an artist retroactively claims that a flaw in their work was deliberate. A relative of IMeantToDoThat and JustJokingJustification. Compare IndecisiveParody and StealthParody. Contrast SpringtimeForHitler. See also PoesLaw and AuthorsSavingThrow.

Not to be confused with an ExternalRetcon, which is a {{deconstruction}} of a previous work.

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A subtrope of DeliberateFlawRetcon, which is any case when an artist retroactively claims that a flaw in their work was deliberate. A relative of IMeantToDoThat and JustJokingJustification. Compare IndecisiveParody and StealthParody. Contrast SpringtimeForHitler. See also PoesLaw PoesLaw, ExternalRetcon and AuthorsSavingThrow.

Not to be confused with an ExternalRetcon, which is a {{deconstruction}} of a previous work.
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* The notorious ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is claimed Creator/FrankMiller to be a parody. No one is entirely sure whether it's true or not, some think it's this trope, others think he's telling the truth. It does help his case that he claimed [[MisaimedFandom his comics were meant as parodies]] when people still ''liked'' them.

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* The notorious ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is claimed was intended, claims Creator/FrankMiller to be , as a parody. No one is entirely sure whether it's true or not, some think it's this trope, others think he's telling the truth. It does help his case that he claimed [[MisaimedFandom his comics were meant as parodies]] when people still ''liked'' them.



* ''Film/MommieDearest'' is perhaps the TropeCodifier. After its poor initial reception, Creator/ParamountPictures started advertising it as a parody a few weeks after its release, changing its movie posters to proclaim, "Meet the biggest MOTHER of them all!"
* ''Film/{{Deafula}}'' was said to be a parody, and was even renamed ''Young Deafula'' in some places. The director's reason for the conspicuous lack of jokes? Only deaf people will get it.

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* ''Film/TheRoom'' is probably the most famous example. Tommy Wiseau (director, writer, and star) did some serious backpedaling after his SoBadItsGood melodrama was released and critically panned. He decided to pull a AscendedFanon when people asked him if this was supposed to be taken seriously and say it was a black comedy all along. It even says so on the DVD case. Most fans of the movie still don't believe him. It doesn't help his case that, even as he uses the "Black Comedy" label, [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously he still describes the content of the film in melodramatic, passionate terms.]]* ''Film/MommieDearest'' is perhaps the TropeCodifier. After its poor initial reception, Creator/ParamountPictures started advertising it as a parody a few weeks after its release, changing its movie posters to proclaim, "Meet the biggest MOTHER of them all!"
* ''Film/{{Deafula}}'' was said to be a parody, and was even renamed ''Young Deafula'' in some places. The director's reason for the conspicuous lack of jokes? Only deaf people will would get it.



* ''Film/TheHappening'' was claimed to be a parody of bad B-movies by M. Night Shyamalan as an attempt to downplay its critical curb-stomping. No one believed him. See also DeliberateFlawRetcon.
* ''The Concorde... Film/{{Airport}} '79'' also was re-marketed as a comedy after critics pointed out all of its unintentionally hilarious moments. Still didn't help it at the box office, though. It ''did'' pave the way for ''Film/{{Airplane}}''.
* ''Film/MonsterAGoGo'' was claimed to be a parody of some sort by Gordon Lewis, although ''what'' exactly it's a parody of is unknown.

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* ''Film/TheHappening'' was claimed to be a parody of bad B-movies by M. Night Shyamalan claimed that his''Film/TheHappening'' was a parody of B-movies as an attempt to downplay its critical curb-stomping. No one believed him. See also DeliberateFlawRetcon.
* ''The Concorde... Film/{{Airport}} Airport '79'' also was re-marketed marketed as a comedy after critics pointed out all of its unintentionally hilarious moments.scenes. Still didn't help it at the box office, though. It ''did'' pave the way for ''Film/{{Airplane}}''.
* ''Film/MonsterAGoGo'' was claimed to be a parody of some sort by Gordon Lewis, although ''what'' exactly it's a parody of is unknown.unclear.



* ''Film/TheRoom'' is probably the most famous example. Tommy Wiseau (director, writer, and star) did some serious backpedaling after his SoBadItsGood melodrama was released and critically panned. He decided to pull a AscendedFanon when people asked him if this was supposed to be taken seriously and say it was a black comedy all along. It even says so on the DVD case. Most fans of the movie still don't believe him. It doesn't help his case that, even as he uses the "Black Comedy" label, [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously he still describes the content of the film in melodramatic, passionate terms.]]



* Before the main series of ''Series/{{Derek}}'' aired, Creator/RickyGervais spoke repeatedly about how he had "dropped the veil of irony" and had made a sincere comedy/drama. After being tweeted with complaints about the frequent use of [[{{Narm}} narmy]] montages accompanied by melancholy music, he responded that it was intentional and that they were there to give the verisimilitude of a cloying documentary. This was despite earlier retweeting comments earnestly praising the sequences for their emotional power.
* The ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode guide ''The Discontinuity Guide'' suggests that "The Creature From the Pit" is either a parody of bad science fiction, or just bad science fiction.
* In-universe in the ''Creator/MontyPython'' "Dead Parrot Sketch" - the pet shop owner tries it when he's caught lying.
-->'''Eric Praline''': I understand this ''is'' Bolton.
-->'''Pet Shop Owner''': ...yeah?
-->'''Eric Praline''': You said it was Ipswich.
-->'''Pet Shop Owner''': It was a pun!

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* Before the main series of ''Series/{{Derek}}'' aired, Creator/RickyGervais spoke repeatedly about how he had "dropped the veil of irony" and had made a sincere comedy/drama. comedy-drama. After being tweeted with complaints about the frequent his use of [[{{Narm}} narmy]] montages accompanied by melancholy music, he responded that it was intentional and that they were there to give the verisimilitude of a cloying documentary. This was despite earlier retweeting comments earnestly praising the sequences for their emotional power.
* The ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode guide ''The Discontinuity Guide'' suggests that "The Creature From the Pit" is either a parody of bad science fiction, or just bad science fiction.
* In-universe in the ''Creator/MontyPython'' "Dead Parrot Sketch" - the pet shop owner tries it when he's caught lying.
-->'''Eric Praline''': I understand this ''is'' Bolton.
-->'''Pet Shop Owner''': ...yeah?
-->'''Eric Praline''': You said it was Ipswich.
-->'''Pet Shop Owner''': It was a pun!
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17th Mar '17 12:40:13 PM frogpatrol
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* The notorious ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is claimed to be a parody by Creator/FrankMiller. No one is entirely sure whether it's true or not, some think it's this trope, others think he's telling the truth. It helps his case that he claimed [[MisaimedFandom his comics were meant as parodies]] when people still ''liked'' them.

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* The notorious ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is claimed Creator/FrankMiller to be a parody by Creator/FrankMiller.parody. No one is entirely sure whether it's true or not, some think it's this trope, others think he's telling the truth. It helps does help his case that he claimed [[MisaimedFandom his comics were meant as parodies]] when people still ''liked'' them.



* Joe Simon and Creator/JackKirby's Fighting American (who was basically an {{Expy}} of their more popular creation, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica) started off as a dead serious book about Commie-smashing. When the anti-communist {{Witch Hunt}}s of Joe [=McCarthy=] began to fall out of favor with Americans, Simon and Kirby quickly tried to {{ReTool}} the series into a tongue-in-cheek parody of RedScare stories. It didn't work, and the title was cancelled after just seven issues.

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* Joe Simon and Creator/JackKirby's Fighting American (who was basically an {{Expy}} of their more popular creation, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica) started off as a dead serious book about Commie-smashing. When the anti-communist {{Witch Hunt}}s of Joe [=McCarthy=] began to fall out of favor with Americans, Simon and Kirby quickly tried to {{ReTool}} the series into a tongue-in-cheek parody of RedScare stories. It didn't work, and the title was cancelled after just seven issues.
17th Mar '17 12:38:24 PM frogpatrol
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Homer's Enemy" was considered [[BlackComedyBurst extremely dark compared to the typical bulk of the series]] when it was first released. The creators later claimed this was their intent all along; contrasting Springfield and its flaws to the reactions of a [[OnlySaneMan "real person"]], and what would happen if such a person lived there. The episode has [[VindicatedByHistory certainly been vindicated in later years as a fan favourite]], possibly because [[BlackComedy such humour]] has become much more mainstay.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Homer's Enemy" was considered [[BlackComedyBurst extremely dark compared to the typical bulk of the series]] when it was first released. The creators later claimed this was their intent all along; contrasting Springfield and its flaws to the reactions of a [[OnlySaneMan "real person"]], and what would happen if such a person lived there. The episode has [[VindicatedByHistory certainly been vindicated in later years as a fan favourite]], possibly because [[BlackComedy such humour]] has become much more mainstay.mainstream.
12th Mar '17 12:57:16 PM nombretomado
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* The ''DoctorWho'' episode guide ''The Discontinuity Guide'' suggests that "The Creature From the Pit" is either a parody of bad science fiction, or just bad science fiction.
* In-universe in the ''MontyPython'' "Dead Parrot Sketch" - the pet shop owner tries it when he's caught lying.

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* The ''DoctorWho'' ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode guide ''The Discontinuity Guide'' suggests that "The Creature From the Pit" is either a parody of bad science fiction, or just bad science fiction.
* In-universe in the ''MontyPython'' ''Creator/MontyPython'' "Dead Parrot Sketch" - the pet shop owner tries it when he's caught lying.
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