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18th Jan '17 2:37:03 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* If [[Manga/FruitsBasket the Sohma parents]] don't abuse their cursed children, they're likely to end up as this. I.e., Ritsu's mom Meshou is a FragileFlower who ApologisesALot, and Kisa's mother almost gives up raising her because she's too stressed and sad upon not being able to help Kisa with her school troubles.
* While [[Franchise/SailorMoon Kenji and Ikuko Tsukino]] are GoodParents and Minako's dad and mom are also hinted to be that way, Ami's mother falls into this squarely. She has good intentions, yes, but is simply too absorbed by her job as a doctor to spend time with Ami, and for worse she's also a single mom since her ex-husband is an artist who lives and works abroads.

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* If [[Manga/FruitsBasket ''Manga/FruitsBasket'': if the Sohma parents]] parents don't abuse their cursed children, they're likely to end up as this. I.e., Ritsu's mom Meshou is a FragileFlower who ApologisesALot, and Kisa's mother almost gives up raising her because she's too stressed and sad upon not being able to help Kisa with her school troubles.
* ''Franchise/SailorMoon'': While [[Franchise/SailorMoon Kenji and Ikuko Tsukino]] Tsukino are GoodParents and Minako's dad and mom are also hinted to be that way, Ami's mother falls into this squarely. She has good intentions, yes, but is simply too absorbed by her job as a doctor to spend time with Ami, and for worse she's also a single mom since her ex-husband is an artist who lives and works abroads.



** The aging Hank Pym had a strained relationship with his daughter, Hope, for not telling her the details of her mother's death. Because of this, Hope defected to Darren Cross when he took over Pym Industries until she found out Cross is not a nice man. Despite returning to her father, she's still angry at him particularly for choosing a con-man, Scott Lang, to take the Ant-Man mantle instead of her. But it turns out that Hank is just trying to protect her because he doesn't want her to end like her mother [[spoiler:who made a HeroicSacrifice during their mission]]. In the end, they made up and Hank decided to let Hope inherit Comicbook/TheWasp mantle from her mother.

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** The aging Hank Pym had a strained relationship with his daughter, Hope, for not telling her the details of her mother's death. Because of this, Hope defected to Darren Cross when he took over Pym Industries until she found out Cross is not a nice man. Despite returning to her father, she's still angry at him particularly for choosing a con-man, Scott Lang, to take the Ant-Man mantle instead of her. But Then it turns out that Hank is just trying to protect her because he doesn't want her to end like her mother [[spoiler:who made a HeroicSacrifice during their mission]]. In the end, they made up and Hank decided to let Hope inherit Comicbook/TheWasp mantle from her mother.



* This trope probably originated with modern teenage literature, which often features family breakdowns and relationships. In order to really understand the plot, readers needed to understand the parents. However, since these families are "officially" rather than "accidentally" [[DysfunctionalFamily dysfunctional]], this is arguably a JustifiedTrope.
** Creator/JacquelineWilson is diligent in depicting her ParentsAsPeople. Often likable, these characters don't fall into stereotypes… but the reader still wouldn't want to be related to them. In ''The Illustrated Mum,'' Marigold, a manic-depressive single mother, ''adores'' her two children, but feeds them cake rather than cooking them a proper dinner. In ''The Suitcase Kid,'' Andy's divorced parents marry new partners who already have families of their own. Her parents are so involved with their new lives that they don't realize they're using Andy as a pawn to "get back" at each other. In ''The Diamond Girls'', the heroine and her sisters have lived in continual disorder all their lives, with their mother frequently changing boyfriends and moving her family to new homes. ''Amber'', an early novel, was about a girl who rebels against her traveller mother and struggles to live a normal life.

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* This trope probably originated with modern teenage literature, which often features family breakdowns and relationships. In order to really understand the plot, readers needed to understand the parents. However, since these families are "officially" rather than "accidentally" [[DysfunctionalFamily dysfunctional]], this is arguably a JustifiedTrope.
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Creator/JacquelineWilson is diligent in depicting her ParentsAsPeople.Parents As People. Often likable, these characters don't fall into stereotypes… but the reader still wouldn't want to be related to them. In ''The Illustrated Mum,'' Marigold, a manic-depressive single mother, ''adores'' her two children, but feeds them cake rather than cooking them a proper dinner. In ''The Suitcase Kid,'' Andy's divorced parents marry new partners who already have families of their own. Her parents are so involved with their new lives that they don't realize they're using Andy as a pawn to "get back" at each other. In ''The Diamond Girls'', the heroine and her sisters have lived in continual disorder all their lives, with their mother frequently changing boyfriends and moving her family to new homes. ''Amber'', an early novel, was about a girl who rebels against her traveller mother and struggles to live a normal life.


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*''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': Basilard tries to be a good father for [[spoiler: Zettai]] but the fact that he became her father because a TricksterArchetype twisted his arm into committing sacrilege to his clan's religion makes it difficult for him to accept her.
13th Jan '17 4:12:27 AM Gaby007
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* Rumple is very much aware of how much he screwed up with his firstborn son Baelfire, and discovering he fathered another son in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10964874/1/Dark-Dynasty Dark Dynasty]]'' makes him fear he will repeat the same mistakes with Harry. Belle assures him he can be a good father, and even if he's really far from perfection, Rumple really does try.
17th Dec '16 7:24:22 AM transparentanswer
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* Izumi's mother from ''Manga/FullmoonWoSagashite'' is eventually depicted as this, though she was originally more portrayed as an abusive woman. [[spoiler: Her husband's apparently sudden and early death had her stricken with grief, to the point that she wasn't capable of giving comfort to her son, Izumi/Leo, and caring well for him, needing comfort herself. She got her comfort by continuously dating and sleeping with men, but their rejection because she had a child was too much for her and she, wrongly, blamed him for it. When Izumi/Leo runs off and commits suicide in front of her, she realizes the mistakes she has made and that she was not and could not be a good mother to him, even crying when she sees that her son prefers death than to live with her any longer…]]

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* Izumi's mother from ''Manga/FullmoonWoSagashite'' ''Manga/FullmoonOSagashite'' is eventually depicted as this, though she was originally more portrayed as an abusive woman. [[spoiler: Her husband's apparently sudden and early death had her stricken with grief, to the point that she wasn't capable of giving comfort to her son, Izumi/Leo, and caring well for him, needing comfort herself. She got her comfort by continuously dating and sleeping with men, but their rejection because she had a child was too much for her and she, wrongly, blamed him for it. When Izumi/Leo runs off and commits suicide in front of her, she realizes the mistakes she has made and that she was not and could not be a good mother to him, even crying when she sees that her son prefers death than to live with her any longer…]]
5th Dec '16 4:52:16 AM Divra
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* Danny's father in "Literature/DannyTheChampionOfTheWorld" is very clearly a loving father, but he is also overcome by his love of poaching pheasants, which easily could have left Danny an orphan.
25th Nov '16 1:13:05 PM nombretomado
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'':
** Tenzin is mostly a good father to his kids. However, when it becomes clear that his daughter Jinora is much more spiritually talented than him, he ignores that due to both pride and to avoid feeling inadequate as a spiritual mentor. He gets better after a pep talk from his student.
** Tenzin's own father Aang spent more time with Tenzin than he did with Kya or Bumi since Tenzin was the only airbender (and thus the only one who could help revive the Air Nomad culture). Kya and Bumi resent Aang and Tenzin for this even in the present day [[spoiler:though they get over it in the second season, and when Bumi becomes an airbender in the third season he takes it in stride]].
** Toph was very "hands-off" with her daughters due to her resentment of her own parents' opposite methods. Her younger daughter Suyin resented the perceived lack of attention and acted out, resulting in her being forced to leave her home, something her older sister Lin took very badly. Suyin in turn tried to keep her own daughter Opal from seeing the world [[spoiler:though she relents in the end]], in a manner eerily remniscient of her grandparents' treatment of Toph. The Bei Fong family in general seem to be prone to making mistakes in parenting despite the best of intentions.
** Korra's father Tonraq, the chief of the Southern Water Tribe, never revealed to her that [[spoiler:he used to be the heir to the Northern Water Tribe, but was exiled due to his recklessness, or that he raised her in near-total isolation because Aang said so]], so Korra is understandably pissed off when she learns about the first from her uncle. Of course, then it turns out her uncle was behind the exile in the first place, and in the third season it's revealed Korra was hidden away because [[spoiler:a terrorist group wanted to kidnap her for their own ends]].
** Hiroshi Sato is a RagsToRiches success story and devoted to his daughter ever since his wife was murdered by a firebender. [[spoiler:Then when it turns out he funding the Equalist movement, he ends up trying to kill his daughter when she stays with the Avatar. He redeems himself later on though.]]
** Yakone was a crime lord with the exceptionally rare ability to bloodbend without a full moon, later taken away by Aang. [[spoiler:His sons Noataq and Tarlok inherited this ability, and he put them through traumatic TrainingFromHell to perfect it, resulting in Noataq running away to become Amon, while Tarlok went into politics, both trying to achieve their father's goal of taking over Republic City.]]
** And then there's AvatarTheLastAirbender's parents: never around (Katara and Sokka's dad), overprotective (Toph's parents), overbearing (Mai's family), ran away (Ursa), and of course Zuko's ArchnemesisDad Ozai. A meme in the fandom holds that Unalaq, proud father of CreepyTwins he felt no need to rescue once they were no longer necessary to his plan to TakeOverTheWorld, ''still'' wins Dad Of The Year award compared to the others.

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* In the ''Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' franchise:
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''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'':
** *** Tenzin is mostly a good father to his kids. However, when it becomes clear that his daughter Jinora is much more spiritually talented than him, he ignores that due to both pride and to avoid feeling inadequate as a spiritual mentor. He gets better after a pep talk from his student.
** *** Tenzin's own father Aang spent more time with Tenzin than he did with Kya or Bumi since Tenzin was the only airbender (and thus the only one who could help revive the Air Nomad culture). Kya and Bumi resent Aang and Tenzin for this even in the present day [[spoiler:though they get over it in the second season, and when Bumi becomes an airbender in the third season he takes it in stride]].
** *** Toph was very "hands-off" with her daughters due to her resentment of her own parents' opposite methods. Her younger daughter Suyin resented the perceived lack of attention and acted out, resulting in her being forced to leave her home, something her older sister Lin took very badly. Suyin in turn tried to keep her own daughter Opal from seeing the world [[spoiler:though she relents in the end]], in a manner eerily remniscient of her grandparents' treatment of Toph. The Bei Fong family in general seem to be prone to making mistakes in parenting despite the best of intentions.
** *** Korra's father Tonraq, the chief of the Southern Water Tribe, never revealed to her that [[spoiler:he used to be the heir to the Northern Water Tribe, but was exiled due to his recklessness, or that he raised her in near-total isolation because Aang said so]], so Korra is understandably pissed off when she learns about the first from her uncle. Of course, then it turns out her uncle was behind the exile in the first place, and in the third season it's revealed Korra was hidden away because [[spoiler:a terrorist group wanted to kidnap her for their own ends]].
** *** Hiroshi Sato is a RagsToRiches success story and devoted to his daughter ever since his wife was murdered by a firebender. [[spoiler:Then when it turns out he funding the Equalist movement, he ends up trying to kill his daughter when she stays with the Avatar. He redeems himself later on though.]]
** *** Yakone was a crime lord with the exceptionally rare ability to bloodbend without a full moon, later taken away by Aang. [[spoiler:His sons Noataq and Tarlok inherited this ability, and he put them through traumatic TrainingFromHell to perfect it, resulting in Noataq running away to become Amon, while Tarlok went into politics, both trying to achieve their father's goal of taking over Republic City.]]
** And then there's AvatarTheLastAirbender's parents: The parents from [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender the original series]] are hardly better: never around (Katara and Sokka's dad), overprotective (Toph's parents), overbearing (Mai's family), ran away (Ursa), and of course Zuko's ArchnemesisDad Ozai. A meme in the fandom holds that Unalaq, proud father of CreepyTwins he felt no need to rescue once they were no longer necessary to his plan to TakeOverTheWorld, ''still'' wins Dad Of The Year award compared to the others.
24th Nov '16 1:41:31 PM Sugao
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* Phoenix Wright from ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' is obviously a loving, devoted father to his adoptive daughter Trucy, and while they have a very close relationship, he isn't infaliable. For example, he jets off to Khura'in when he believes his old assistant Maya is in danger, just days before Trucy's big television debut. When it turns out Maya is fine, but isn't going to be done with her training for a few more weeks, he decides to stay in Khura'in rather than come home to support his daughter. When Trucy [[spoiler:gets accused of murdering her costar during the show]], he ''still'' doesn't come home; while Apollo may be a capable attorney, the game makes it clear he's a complete '''legend''' by this point, and even if he weren't, Trucy would probably appreciate her father being there for her.
14th Nov '16 7:25:39 PM nombretomado
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* In the KatawaShoujo fic [[http://ks.renai.us/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5361 Weekend at Hisao's]], Shizune's father and Hisao's parents are seen in this light. Shizune is frustrated with her father's persistent attempts to get her to speak (in the fic, it's indicated that she can speak but sounds terrible), but sees that he wants her to succeed and appreciates that he doesn't treat her any differently from her non-disabled brother. Hisao says he didn't like his parents' frequent absences from his life due to working, but realizes that they worked so hard so that he could grow up in a nice house that they never had in their childhoods, and were willing to sell that house if it was necessary to cure his condition.

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* In the KatawaShoujo VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo fic [[http://ks.renai.us/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5361 Weekend at Hisao's]], Shizune's father and Hisao's parents are seen in this light. Shizune is frustrated with her father's persistent attempts to get her to speak (in the fic, it's indicated that she can speak but sounds terrible), but sees that he wants her to succeed and appreciates that he doesn't treat her any differently from her non-disabled brother. Hisao says he didn't like his parents' frequent absences from his life due to working, but realizes that they worked so hard so that he could grow up in a nice house that they never had in their childhoods, and were willing to sell that house if it was necessary to cure his condition.
25th Oct '16 7:54:01 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* The entire first generation of ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates''. Because birth control was harder to come by in those days, any couple married during the war produced a child or two and in order to protect those children, [[spoiler: their parents had to send them to the Deeprealms. When they eventually reunite with their children, the parents are aware that maybe sending them away wasn't the perfect choice due to some of the kids having abandonment issues or being pissed. The resulting support conversations delve into the troubled relationships and ultimately prove that even if circumstances weren't ideal, the parents do very much care about their children and want to keep them safe above all else. And in the end, the kids do recognize that they're loved even if their parents aren't perfect.]]
* Greil from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius'' was a loving father who cared not just for his own kids but for [[AFatherToHisMen his entire mercenary company]], but kept a lot of secrets from Ike and Mist. [[spoiler:For example, the fact that he killed their mother in a berserk rage due to the effects of a cursed medallion. Or that Ike had witnessed the entire thing and had the memory magically sealed and repressed.]]

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* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' has many of these:
** Greil from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius'' was a loving father who cared not just for his own kids but for [[AFatherToHisMen his entire mercenary company]], but kept a lot of secrets from Ike and Mist. [[spoiler:For example, the fact that he killed their mother Elena in a berserk rage, due to the effects of a cursed medallion that only Elena (and later Mist) was able to handle without going crazy. Or that Ike had witnessed the entire thing and had the memory magically sealed and repressed by Sephiran.]]
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The entire first generation of ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates''. Because birth control was harder to come by in those days, days ''and'' several of the First Generations are BlueBlood (so they're in desperate need of heirs), any couple married during the war produced a child or two and in order to protect those children, [[spoiler: their parents had to send them to the Deeprealms. When They visit the kids but not too frequently as they keep fighting, so they eventually ''do'' reunite with their children, children for real, the parents are aware that maybe sending them away wasn't the perfect choice due to some of the kids having abandonment issues or being pissed. The resulting support conversations delve into the troubled relationships and ultimately prove that even if circumstances weren't ideal, the parents do very much care about their children and want to keep them safe above all else. And in the end, the kids do recognize that they're loved even if their parents aren't perfect.]]
* Greil from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius'' was a loving father who cared not just for his own kids but for [[AFatherToHisMen his entire mercenary company]], but kept a lot of secrets from Ike and Mist. [[spoiler:For example, the fact that he killed their mother in a berserk rage due to the effects of a cursed medallion. Or that Ike had witnessed the entire thing and had the memory magically sealed and repressed.
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21st Oct '16 8:35:46 AM KrspaceT
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** [[spoiler:The epilogue shows Naruto as Hokage, which strains his time with his family. When his and Hinata's son Bolt starts acting out in order to get his attention (very much how Naruto was at the start of the series), Naruto tells him that his job means he can't be his dad all the time, so he must learn to endure it, because he's a ninja as well.]]

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** [[spoiler:The epilogue shows Naruto as Hokage, which strains his time with his family. When his and Hinata's son Bolt starts acting out in order to get his attention (very much how Naruto was at the start of the series), Naruto tells him that his job means he can't be his dad all the time, so he must learn to endure it, because he's a ninja as well. He is also shown to try and balance his time better after this, though it is clear that this is a hard balance to make.]]
16th Oct '16 9:35:22 PM JapaneseTeeth
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* In ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' Midoriya's mother is a slightly more positive depiction of this trope. She clearly cares about her son and wants to support him, but at the same time isn't always sure of the best course of action to take. Early on, when she finds out that her son's dream of being a superhero is basically crushed by his lack of a quirk, she's heartbroken for him, but doesn't give him the encourgment and optimism that he really wants. Later on [[spoiler: she decides to transfer him to a different school, which would further torpedo his dreams. True to the trope, she ''does'' have a very sympathetic reason for doing so (she's extremely concerned for his safety after he's repeatedly injured in encounters with villains, to the point that his hand is permanently disfigured) and she does change her mind after discussing the matter with Midoriya and All Might.]] In short, she does want what's best for her son, but what she wants for him isn't always what's best or what ''he'' wants.
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