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21st Sep '17 4:00:59 AM nighttrainfm
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** The Doctor's relationship with his latest companion Bill, an orphan, is like a fun grandad or a cool teacher. Bill even compares him to her foster mother.

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** The Twelfth Doctor's relationship with his latest last companion Bill, an orphan, is like a fun grandad or a cool teacher. Bill even compares him to her foster mother.



* In ''Series/{{Gotham}}'', Alfred Pennyworth and Jim Gordon share this role for the young Bruce Wayne as the show goes into the topic, rarely discussed in the comics, of what kind of child-rearing would create the Franchise/{{Batman}}. As an ex-marine turned butler suddenly forced into the role of sole caretaker of an emotionally damaged child billionaire, Alfred is, with the best of intentions, not really equipped to take care of Bruce. He spoils Bruce by letting him indulge in his obsession regarding the deaths of his parents, and teaches Bruce to solve his problems with violence. Gordon meanwhile, as the only ByTheBookCop, acts as moral center for Bruce. Both of them inadvertently instill a ToBeLawfulOrGood mindset favoring good in Bruce, since Alfred does not think highly of the police and Gordon's investigation into the Wayne murders has met with limited success.

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* In ''Series/{{Gotham}}'', Alfred Pennyworth and Jim Gordon share this role for the young Bruce Wayne as the show goes into the topic, rarely discussed in the comics, of what kind of child-rearing would create the Franchise/{{Batman}}. As an ex-marine turned butler suddenly forced into the role of sole caretaker of an emotionally damaged child billionaire, Alfred is, with the best of intentions, not really equipped to take care of Bruce. He spoils Bruce by letting him indulge in his obsession regarding the deaths of his parents, and teaches Bruce to solve his problems with violence. Gordon Gordon, meanwhile, as the only ByTheBookCop, acts as moral center for Bruce. Both of them inadvertently instill a ToBeLawfulOrGood mindset favoring good in Bruce, since Alfred does not think highly of the police and Gordon's investigation into the Wayne murders has met with limited success.
16th Sep '17 5:01:58 PM gophergiggles
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** Granny Smith acts as this for Big Mac, Applejack and Apple Bloom since their parents are absent. Big Mac and Applejack sometimes fill in as this for their little sister as well.

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** Granny Smith acts as this for Big Mac, Applejack and Apple Bloom since their parents are absent.absent [[spoiler:and, as of "The Perfect Pear", ''very'' heavily implied to be dead]]. Big Mac and Applejack sometimes fill in as this for their little sister as well.
15th Sep '17 7:57:12 PM hujwernoo
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** Happens a lot in the series as most of the characters are [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned or abandoned at a young age]]. The most powerful example would have to be Nami's foster mother [[MeaningfulName Bellemere]] who sacrificed herself for her daughters because she refused to deny that they were hers, Nami herself struggled with the concept of Bell-mere being her mother but not sharing her blood, but at the end of the day loved Bell-mere deeply and her death still [[HarmfulToMinors traumatizes]] Nami to this day.

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** Happens a lot in the series as most of the characters are [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned or abandoned at a young age]]. The most powerful example would have to be Nami's foster mother [[MeaningfulName Bellemere]] who sacrificed herself for her daughters because she refused to deny that they were hers, Nami herself struggled with the concept of Bell-mere being her mother but not sharing her blood, but at the end of the day loved Bell-mere deeply deeply, and her death still [[HarmfulToMinors traumatizes]] Nami to this day.



** Sanji originally despised his surrogate dad [[HandicappedBadass Zeff]], completely justified since Zeff raided the ship Sanji was sailing on and beat up Sanji when he tried to defend it. However, when Sanji let slip his dream of [[GoalInLife finding the All Blue]], which was Zeff's dream as well, it endeareed Sanji to him so much that he dove overboard to rescue Sanji during the ensuing storm. Sanji and Zeff were subsequently marooned on a rock for over 80 days, and survived due to Zeff eating his own leg while Sanji got the actual rations. Overwhelmed, Sanji demanded to know the reason for this kindness, and Zeff simply replied that it was because he and Sanji shared the same dream. Sanji, though he still fought with the old pirate, was deeply indebted Zeff for his sacrifice, as well as teaching him how to cook and [[MentorArchetype training]] him to be a baddass.
*** [[spoiler: Sanji's care for Zeff even rivals his loyalty to Luffy, and when his actual biological [[ArchNemesisDad asshole father]] blackmails Sanji using Zeff's safety, Sanji is briefly forced to violently sever ties with the crew despite being the [[LoveHurts last thing]] he wanted. After reuniting with his crew, Sanji declared to Judge's face that ''he wasn't his son'' at which Judge was uncharacteristically humbled]].

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** Sanji originally despised his surrogate dad [[HandicappedBadass Zeff]], Zeff]]; completely justified since Zeff raided the ship Sanji was sailing on and beat up Sanji when he tried to defend it. However, when Sanji let slip his dream of [[GoalInLife finding the All Blue]], which was Zeff's dream as well, it endeareed endeared Sanji to him so much that he dove overboard to rescue Sanji during the ensuing storm. Sanji and Zeff The two were subsequently marooned on a rock for over 80 days, and survived due to Zeff eating his own leg while Sanji got the actual rations. Overwhelmed, Sanji demanded to know the reason for this kindness, and Zeff simply replied that it was because he and Sanji shared the same dream. Sanji, though he still fought with the old pirate, was deeply indebted Zeff for his sacrifice, as well as teaching him how to cook and [[MentorArchetype training]] him to be a baddass.
*** [[spoiler: Sanji's care for loyalty to Zeff even rivals his loyalty to Luffy, and when his actual biological [[ArchNemesisDad asshole father]] blackmails Sanji using Zeff's safety, Sanji is briefly forced to violently (violently) sever ties with the crew despite being the [[LoveHurts last thing]] he wanted. After reuniting with his crew, Sanji declared to Judge's face that ''he wasn't his son'' son,'' at which Judge was uncharacteristically humbled]].
15th Sep '17 7:51:52 PM hujwernoo
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** Shanks towards Luffy, since [[spoiler: Luffy's father is busy with [[RebelLeader his "job"]], and his grandfather was a well-intentioned yet ''really'' bad parental figure]]. They were so close, many [[{{Jossed}} thought they would be revealed as actual father and son]] (especially given that they even looked quite a bit alike early on, though ArtEvolution has made their faces more distinct). Luffy and Ace both also had a foster mother (Curly Dadan) in their youth, again because [[spoiler: Luffy's dad was gone and his grandpa simply couldn't it in parental-like shoes despite caring for them]]. Ace also finds this with his captain Whitebeard, since his father, whom he deeply resented anyway, is dead [[spoiler: and his mother, Rouge, fell victim to DeathByChildbirth]].
** Sanji originally despised his surrogate dad [[HandicappedBadass Zeff]], completely justified since Zeff raided the ship Sanji was sailing on and beat up Sanji when he tied to defend it. However, when Sanji let slip his dream of [[GoalInLife finding the all blue]] which was Zeff's dream as well so when Sanji was swept overboard, Zeff dived in after him. Sanji and Zeff were subsequently marooned on a rock for over 80 days, and survived due to Zeff eating his own leg while Sanji got the actual rations. Overwhelmed, Sanji demanded to know the reason for this kindness, and Zeff simply replied that it was because he and Sanji shared the same dream. Sanji though he still fought with the old pirate, was deeply indebted Zeff for his sacrifice, teaching how to cook and [[MentorArchetype training]] him to be a baddass.
*** [[spoiler: Sanji's care for Zeff even rivals his loyalty to Luffy and when his actual biological [[ArchNemesisDad asshole father]] black mails Sanji using Zeff's safety, Sanji is briefly forced to violently sever ties with the crew despite being the [[LoveHurts last thing]] Sanji wanted. After reuniting with his crew, Sanji declared to judge's face that ''he wasn't his son'' at which Judge was brutally humbled]].
** Chopper has known no love at his birth and doubly so after eating the Human-Human fruit and being rejected by his fellow Reindeer herd and likely biological parents. But when he was found and saved by the questionably sane Dr Hiluluk Chopper grew to love the quack doctor and was left in despair at his death. Despite his time spent with the superior Doctor Kureha, Chopper still refers to Hiluluk as "the greatest doctor in the world." Hiluluk also gave Chopper his name, claiming his antlers looked like they could chop down trees.
** Franky loves his mentor Tom as a father, since Tom is the one who found him after Franky actual parents abandoned him. Learning from Tom and seeing Tom (along with Iceberg) work so hard at building the Sea Train inspired Franky who had been building his own battleships at that point. When Spandam of Cipher Poll used Franky own ships to kill civilians, Franky was distraught especially since his own ships had hurt Tom also. Tom forgives him easily but does hurt Franky when he denounces the battleships as his own, he hits Franky saying a parent cannot deny it's child even if the child hurts people. When Tom is captured by TheGovernment Franky goes ballistic especially when Spandam kicks Tom's unconscious body leading to Franky breaking his skull with the butt of rifle and trying to stop a trian with his bare hands just to get Tom back.
** Robin and both Clover and Saul, maybe Zoro and the dojo owner, ... in fact, the only two members of the main crew that don't appear to have ever had a parental substitute of some sort are Usopp and Brook.
** Trafalgar Law also had one, [[spoiler: Doflamingo's younger brother Rocinante/Corazon. Who ultimately sacrificed his life to save him from [[EvilMentor Doflamingo himself]].]]

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** Shanks towards Luffy, since [[spoiler: Luffy's father is busy with [[RebelLeader his "job"]], and his grandfather was a well-intentioned yet ''really'' bad parental figure]]. They were so close, many [[{{Jossed}} thought they would be revealed as actual father and son]] (especially given that they even looked quite a bit alike early on, though ArtEvolution has made their faces more distinct). Luffy and Ace both also had a foster mother (Curly Dadan) in their youth, again because [[spoiler: Luffy's dad was gone and his grandpa simply couldn't it fit in parental-like shoes shoes, despite caring for them]]. Ace also finds this with his captain Whitebeard, since his father, whom he deeply resented anyway, is dead [[spoiler: and his mother, Rouge, fell victim to DeathByChildbirth]].
** Sanji originally despised his surrogate dad [[HandicappedBadass Zeff]], completely justified since Zeff raided the ship Sanji was sailing on and beat up Sanji when he tied tried to defend it. However, when Sanji let slip his dream of [[GoalInLife finding the all blue]] All Blue]], which was Zeff's dream as well so when well, it endeareed Sanji was swept overboard, Zeff dived in after him.to him so much that he dove overboard to rescue Sanji during the ensuing storm. Sanji and Zeff were subsequently marooned on a rock for over 80 days, and survived due to Zeff eating his own leg while Sanji got the actual rations. Overwhelmed, Sanji demanded to know the reason for this kindness, and Zeff simply replied that it was because he and Sanji shared the same dream. Sanji Sanji, though he still fought with the old pirate, was deeply indebted Zeff for his sacrifice, as well as teaching him how to cook and [[MentorArchetype training]] him to be a baddass.
baddass.
*** [[spoiler: Sanji's care for Zeff even rivals his loyalty to Luffy Luffy, and when his actual biological [[ArchNemesisDad asshole father]] black mails blackmails Sanji using Zeff's safety, Sanji is briefly forced to violently sever ties with the crew despite being the [[LoveHurts last thing]] Sanji he wanted. After reuniting with his crew, Sanji declared to judge's Judge's face that ''he wasn't his son'' at which Judge was brutally humbled]].
uncharacteristically humbled]].
** Chopper has known knew no love at from the moment of his birth birth, and doubly so after eating the Human-Human fruit and being rejected by his fellow Reindeer herd and (and likely biological parents. parents). But when he was found and saved by the questionably sane Dr Hiluluk Hiluluk, Chopper grew to love the quack doctor and was left in despair at his death. Despite his time spent with the superior Doctor Kureha, Chopper still refers to Hiluluk as "the greatest doctor in the world." Hiluluk also gave Chopper his name, claiming his antlers looked like they could chop down trees.
** Franky loves loved his mentor Tom as a father, since Tom is was the one who found and raised him after Franky his actual parents abandoned him. Learning from Tom and seeing Tom him (along with Iceberg) work so hard at building the Sea Train inspired Franky Franky, who had been building his own battleships at by that point. When Spandam of Cipher Poll Pol used Franky Franky's own ships to kill civilians, civilians and injure Tom, Franky was distraught especially since had a HeroicBSOD and denounced all his own ships had hurt Tom also. ships. Tom forgives him easily for the injury easily, but does hurt slaps Franky when he denounces the battleships as his own, he hits Franky saying a parent cannot deny it's their child even if the child hurts people. When Tom is captured then arrested by TheGovernment TheGovernment, Franky goes ballistic especially when Spandam kicks Tom's unconscious body ''ballistic'', leading to Spandam's skull getting smashed and Franky breaking his skull with the butt of rifle and trying to stop a trian train with his bare hands just to get Tom back.
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** Robin and with both Clover and Saul, maybe Zoro and the dojo owner, ... in fact, the only two members of the main crew that don't appear to have ever had a parental substitute of some sort are Usopp and Brook.
** Trafalgar Law also had one, one: [[spoiler: Doflamingo's younger brother Rocinante/Corazon. Who ultimately sacrificed his life to save him from [[EvilMentor Doflamingo himself]].]]
15th Sep '17 7:35:17 PM hujwernoo
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** Happens a lot in the series as most of the characters are [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned or abandoned at a young age]]. The most powerful example would have to be Nami's foster mother [[MeaningfulName Bellemere]] who sacrificed herself for her daughters because she refused to deny that they were hers, Nami herself struggled with the concept of Bell-mere being her mothered but not sharing her blood but at the end of the day loved Bell-mere deeply and her death still [[HarmfulToMinors traumatizes]] Nami to this day.
*** Genzo is seen as a father-figure to Nojiko and Nami, telling Luffy in no uncertain terms he would hunt him down and kill him if he ever did anything that took Nami's smile away. Genzo also flips out of at Nami proactive wanted posters and dress sense in true OverprotectiveDad style.

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** Happens a lot in the series as most of the characters are [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned or abandoned at a young age]]. The most powerful example would have to be Nami's foster mother [[MeaningfulName Bellemere]] who sacrificed herself for her daughters because she refused to deny that they were hers, Nami herself struggled with the concept of Bell-mere being her mothered mother but not sharing her blood blood, but at the end of the day loved Bell-mere deeply and her death still [[HarmfulToMinors traumatizes]] Nami to this day.
*** Genzo is seen as a father-figure to Nojiko and Nami, telling Luffy in no uncertain terms he would hunt him down and kill him if he ever did anything that took Nami's smile away. Genzo also flips out of at Nami proactive provacative wanted posters and dress sense in true OverprotectiveDad style.
15th Sep '17 7:32:23 PM hujwernoo
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*** [[spoiler: Sanji's care for Zeff even rivals his loyalty to Luffy and when his actual biologic [[ArchNemesisDad asshole father]] black mails Sanji using Zeff's safety, Sanji is briefly forced to violently sever ties with the crew despite being the [[LoveHurts last thing]] Sanji wanted. After reuniting with his crew, Sanji declared to judge's face that ''he wasn't his son'' at which Judge
was brutally humbled]].

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*** [[spoiler: Sanji's care for Zeff even rivals his loyalty to Luffy and when his actual biologic biological [[ArchNemesisDad asshole father]] black mails Sanji using Zeff's safety, Sanji is briefly forced to violently sever ties with the crew despite being the [[LoveHurts last thing]] Sanji wanted. After reuniting with his crew, Sanji declared to judge's face that ''he wasn't his son'' at which Judge
Judge was brutally humbled]].
7th Sep '17 11:01:43 AM CosmicFerret
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* ''TheFlash'' Wally West considers [[CoolUncle Barry Allen]] as a more of father than his own biological one. In return Barry thinks of him as his own as well. Considering Barry's fate (or Wally's depending on universe), their relationship turns into {{Tear Jerker}} between them.

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* ''TheFlash'' ''ComicBook/TheFlash'' Wally West considers [[CoolUncle Barry Allen]] as a more of father than his own biological one. In return Barry thinks of him as his own as well. Considering Barry's fate (or Wally's depending on universe), their relationship turns into {{Tear Jerker}} between them.
5th Sep '17 12:24:00 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'': In various ways Luke fon Fabre holds the current Parental Substitute record for the entire franchise, with ''five'' surrogate parental figures in total. First, there's Guy, who basically raises Luke after his traumatic kidnapping experience at age ten leaves him with complete amnesia. Then there's Van, who is Luke's mentor and combat instructor. [[spoiler:He also happens to be the one who created Luke, as he's the one who cloned him from the original Luke fon Fabre and, unfortunately, [[ExploitedTrope exploited]] this for the sake of his plans as an EvilMentor and resident BigBad.]] [[ColonelBadass Jade]] also counts, thanks to a scene in Keterburg where Luke calls him a "teacher and mentor". [[spoiler:Since he created fomicry, he's also Luke's unofficial scientific father, in a way]]. Jade, Guy, and Van are all [[LampshadeHanging explicitly pointed to as Luke's father figures in skits]]. Then, of course, we must include [[spoiler:the Duke and Duchess fon Fabre, who are not actually Luke's parents, again, because he's a clone, but accept him anyways as their son]]. And there is one more possible option in [[spoiler: ''[[PureMagicBeing Lorelei]] himself'' flat out calls Luke his "other self" and, by the rules of the verse, Luke ''[[GodInHumanForm is another Lorelei]]'', and Lorelei makes it pretty clear he thinks Luke is [[SoProudOfYou wonderful]].]]

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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'': In various ways Luke fon Fabre holds the current Parental Substitute record for the entire franchise, with ''five'' surrogate parental figures in total. First, there's Guy, who basically raises Luke after his traumatic kidnapping experience at age ten leaves him with complete amnesia. Then there's Van, who is Luke's mentor and combat instructor. [[spoiler:He also happens to be the one who created Luke, as he's the one who cloned him from the original Luke fon Fabre and, unfortunately, [[ExploitedTrope exploited]] this for the sake of his plans as an EvilMentor and resident BigBad. He also did the same to the original Asch and fighting his father figure is implied to be hard on him thus.]] [[ColonelBadass Jade]] also counts, thanks to a scene in Keterburg where Luke calls him a "teacher and mentor". [[spoiler:Since he created fomicry, he's also Luke's unofficial scientific father, in a way]]. Jade, Guy, and Van are all [[LampshadeHanging explicitly pointed to as Luke's father figures in skits]]. Then, of course, we must include [[spoiler:the Duke and Duchess fon Fabre, who are not actually Luke's parents, again, because he's a clone, but accept him anyways as their son]]. And there is one more possible option in [[spoiler: ''[[PureMagicBeing Lorelei]] himself'' as he flat out calls Luke his "other self" and, by the rules of the verse, Luke ''[[GodInHumanForm is another Lorelei]]'', and Lorelei makes it pretty clear he thinks Luke is [[SoProudOfYou wonderful]].]]
5th Sep '17 12:21:14 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'': By my count, Luke fon Fabre holds the current Parental Substitute record for the entire franchise, with ''five'' surrogate parental figures in total. First, there's Guy, who basically raises Luke after his traumatic kidnapping experience at age ten leaves him with complete amnesia. Then there's Van, who is Luke's mentor and combat instructor. [[spoiler:He also happens to be the one who created Luke, as he's the one who cloned him from the original Luke fon Fabre]]. [[ColonelBadass Jade]] also counts, thanks to a scene in Keterburg where Luke calls him a "teacher and mentor". [[spoiler:Since he created fomicry, he's also Luke's unofficial scientific father, in a way]]. Jade, Guy, and Van are all [[LampshadeHanging explicitly pointed to as Luke's father figures in skits]]. Then, of course, we must include [[spoiler:the Duke and Duchess fon Fabre, who are not actually Luke's parents, again, because he's a clone]].

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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'': By my count, In various ways Luke fon Fabre holds the current Parental Substitute record for the entire franchise, with ''five'' surrogate parental figures in total. First, there's Guy, who basically raises Luke after his traumatic kidnapping experience at age ten leaves him with complete amnesia. Then there's Van, who is Luke's mentor and combat instructor. [[spoiler:He also happens to be the one who created Luke, as he's the one who cloned him from the original Luke fon Fabre]]. Fabre and, unfortunately, [[ExploitedTrope exploited]] this for the sake of his plans as an EvilMentor and resident BigBad.]] [[ColonelBadass Jade]] also counts, thanks to a scene in Keterburg where Luke calls him a "teacher and mentor". [[spoiler:Since he created fomicry, he's also Luke's unofficial scientific father, in a way]]. Jade, Guy, and Van are all [[LampshadeHanging explicitly pointed to as Luke's father figures in skits]]. Then, of course, we must include [[spoiler:the Duke and Duchess fon Fabre, who are not actually Luke's parents, again, because he's a clone]].clone, but accept him anyways as their son]]. And there is one more possible option in [[spoiler: ''[[PureMagicBeing Lorelei]] himself'' flat out calls Luke his "other self" and, by the rules of the verse, Luke ''[[GodInHumanForm is another Lorelei]]'', and Lorelei makes it pretty clear he thinks Luke is [[SoProudOfYou wonderful]].]]



* ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'': Lloyd has no shortage of these. He was adopted by the dwarf Drik and sees Regal as a brother or father figure. Kratos also starts to fit this [[spoiler:until it's revealed that he's not a substitute [[LukeIAmYourFather but the real thing]]]].

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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'': Lloyd has no shortage of these. He was adopted by the dwarf Drik Dirk and sees Regal as a brother or father figure. Kratos also starts to fit this [[spoiler:until it's revealed that he's not a substitute [[LukeIAmYourFather but the real thing]]]].
17th Aug '17 9:38:06 AM DVB
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* The three adult Crystal Gems (Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl) in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' serve as the titular character's guardians, mentors, and family after the [[DeathByChildbirth death of his mom]] Rose Quartz, who belonged to their team. Among them though, the general consensus is that [[ThePerfectionist Pearl]] acts the most like a mother to him and fits this trope the best, with the other two being {{Cool Big Sis}}ters in their own ways. Unlike most examples, Steven's (human) dad Greg is still alive, but despite his good heart he isn't really in the best shape to be raising a half magic kid.

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* The three adult Crystal Gems (Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl) in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' serve as the titular character's guardians, mentors, and family after the [[DeathByChildbirth death of his mom]] Rose Quartz, who belonged to their team. Among them though, the general consensus is that [[ThePerfectionist Pearl]] acts the most like a mother to him and fits this trope the best, with the other two being {{Cool Big Sis}}ters in their own ways. Unlike most examples, Steven's (human) dad Greg is still alive, alive. While he was Steven's primary caretaker, he let the Gems take over when he was of certain age, but despite is still an active presence in his good heart he isn't really in life.
** Mildly deconstructed since
the best shape Gems still have plenty of insecurities with how to be raise Steven becaue he's part-human and it's clear that Greg put the bulk in raising a half magic kid.Steven while also helping the Gems.
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