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1st Jul '16 7:28:20 AM alnair20aug93
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* The Internet itself. 1990s version: It's for [[TheInternetIsForPorn porn]], ''Franchise/StarTrek'', ''Franchise/StarWars'', debates about [[Franchise/StarWars the Empire]] [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny the Empire taking on the Federation]], {{Anime}} and [[RuleThirtyFour combinations of the foregoing]]. ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet. 2000s version: [=MySpace=]! Napster! iTunes! [=BitTorrent=]! Website/{{Facebook}}! There's still porn, but now teenage girls are sending it to their boyfriends. 2010s version: Website/{{Facebook}}! Website/{{Twitter}}! Website/{{Tumblr}}! Website/{{Instagram}}! Website/{{Youtube}}! [[MemeticMutation Memes]]! Selfies! Nude Selfies! Men with [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Ponies]]! There's still porn, but now in HD!

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* The Internet itself. 1990s TheInternet itself:
**1990s
version: It's for [[TheInternetIsForPorn porn]], ''Franchise/StarTrek'', ''Franchise/StarWars'', debates about [[Franchise/StarWars the Empire]] [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny the Empire taking on the Federation]], {{Anime}} and [[RuleThirtyFour combinations of the foregoing]]. ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet. 2000s ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet.
**2000s
version: [=MySpace=]! Napster! iTunes! [=BitTorrent=]! Website/{{Facebook}}! There's still porn, but now teenage girls are sending it to their boyfriends. 2010s boyfriends.
**2010s
version: Website/{{Facebook}}! Website/{{Twitter}}! Website/{{Tumblr}}! Website/{{Instagram}}! Website/{{Youtube}}! [[MemeticMutation Memes]]! Selfies! Nude Selfies! Men with [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Ponies]]! There's still porn, but now in HD!HD! All of them accessible [[GoingMobile at the palm of your hand]]!
22nd Jun '16 9:42:59 AM twilicorn
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* Any time a performer from a somewhat niche genre (country, jazz, classical) is nominated for - or wins - one of the Big Four Grammys (Album of the Year, Record of the Year, Song of the Year, Best New Artist). Take Herbie Hancock's 2008 Album of the Year win for ''River: The Joni Letters''.
22nd Jun '16 9:18:48 AM twilicorn
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* Creator/DisneyXD's animated offerings are mostly aimed at young boys, with one major exception: ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil''. Even ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' could count for all its worth, given its massive cult following of young women.
21st Jun '16 11:53:31 PM alnair20aug93
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* The Internet itself. 1990s version: It's for [[TheInternetIsForPorn porn]], ''Franchise/StarTrek'', ''Franchise/StarWars'', debates about [[Franchise/StarWars the Empire]] [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny the Empire taking on the Federation]], {{Anime}} and [[RuleThirtyFour combinations of the foregoing]]. ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet. 2000s version: [=MySpace=]! Napster! iTunes! [=BitTorrent=]! Website/{{Facebook}}! There's still porn, but now teenage girls are sending it to their boyfriends.

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* The Internet itself. 1990s version: It's for [[TheInternetIsForPorn porn]], ''Franchise/StarTrek'', ''Franchise/StarWars'', debates about [[Franchise/StarWars the Empire]] [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny the Empire taking on the Federation]], {{Anime}} and [[RuleThirtyFour combinations of the foregoing]]. ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet. 2000s version: [=MySpace=]! Napster! iTunes! [=BitTorrent=]! Website/{{Facebook}}! There's still porn, but now teenage girls are sending it to their boyfriends. 2010s version: Website/{{Facebook}}! Website/{{Twitter}}! Website/{{Tumblr}}! Website/{{Instagram}}! Website/{{Youtube}}! [[MemeticMutation Memes]]! Selfies! Nude Selfies! Men with [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Ponies]]! There's still porn, but now in HD!
16th May '16 9:57:40 AM hello86
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* ''{{Film/Titanic 1997}}'' is a big budget romantic epic that was one of the highest grossing movies of all time - and is the only film in history to win Best Film at both the Oscars and the ''MTV Movie Awards''. The ItsPopularNowItSucks backlash came on pretty quickly, but the PopularityPolynomial has ensured that it's out of the ghetto.

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* ''{{Film/Titanic 1997}}'' is a big budget romantic epic that was one of the highest grossing movies of all time - and is the only first film in history to win Best Film at both the Oscars and the ''MTV Movie Awards''. The ItsPopularNowItSucks backlash came on pretty quickly, but the PopularityPolynomial has ensured that it's out of the ghetto.
24th Apr '16 11:08:52 AM MarkLungo
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* Animation can't be art huh? Watch a couple of Creator/MamoruOshii, Creator/HayaoMiyazaki, or Creator/SatoshiKon films and try saying that with a straight face.

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* Animation can't be art art, huh? Watch a couple of Creator/MamoruOshii, Creator/HayaoMiyazaki, or Creator/SatoshiKon films and try saying that with a straight face.



* ''TabletopGame/YuGiOh'' Before that, trading card game players were either [[MagicTheGathering D&D geeks]] or [[TabletopGame/{{Pokemon}} 10-year-olds]]. ''Yu-Gi-Oh'' fans attracted their own hatedom for being stereotyped as 10-year-olds, but it's still quite disturbing to see a trading card game where your soul is at stake.

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* ''TabletopGame/YuGiOh'' Before that, trading card game players were either [[MagicTheGathering D&D [[TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering fantasy geeks]] or [[TabletopGame/{{Pokemon}} 10-year-olds]]. ''Yu-Gi-Oh'' fans attracted their own hatedom for being stereotyped as 10-year-olds, but it's still quite disturbing to see a trading card game where your soul is at stake.



* Newspaper strips and funnies were always widely respected but it's generally agreed that George Herriman's ComicBook/KrazyKat which was both a popular success and a favorite of the likes of Picasso and defended by art critics ''and'' William Randolph Hearst himself, raised the profile of comics to fine art.
* Creator/CarlBarks is an example of an artist working on licensed Disney characters, jobs-for-hire and yet creating amazing stories that were popular and influential on the likes of Creator/OsamuTezuka, Creator/RobertCrumb, Creator/ArtSpiegelman, Creator/StevenSpielberg works which are written for children and yet entertain adults of all generations. The Duck Universe revolved around Scrooge [=McDuck=] (created by Barks, ''not'' by Creator/WaltDisney) has had the kind of crossover success and influence that is really rare for comics artists, or people working in what would later be called ExpandedUniverse.

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* Newspaper strips and funnies were always widely respected but it's generally agreed that George Herriman's ComicBook/KrazyKat ''ComicStrip/KrazyKat'' which was both a popular success and a favorite of the likes of Picasso Creator/PabloPicasso and defended by art critics ''and'' William Randolph Hearst himself, raised the profile of comics to fine art.
* Creator/CarlBarks is an example of an artist working on licensed Disney Creator/{{Disney}} characters, jobs-for-hire and yet creating amazing stories that were popular and influential on the likes of Creator/OsamuTezuka, Creator/RobertCrumb, Creator/ArtSpiegelman, Creator/StevenSpielberg works which are written for children and yet entertain adults of all generations. The Duck Universe ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse revolved around Scrooge [=McDuck=] (created by Barks, ''not'' by Creator/WaltDisney) has had the kind of crossover success and influence that is really rare for comics artists, or people working in what would later be called ExpandedUniverse.



* Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' (with partial assist from ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'') was this for Batman. Before Miller, Batman was remembered for the campy 60s TV-Show and his comics was in a period of weak sales. Miller's revision of Batman was actually the crest of an ongoing wave[[note]](before him Dennis O'Neill, Steven Engelheart and Neal Adams brought back some of the darkness to the character)[[/note]] but his story, as Miller is fond of saying, "Gave Batman his balls back" and paved the way for the Creator/TimBurton films, the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, the Creator/ChristopherNolan films and the VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries.

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* Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' (with partial assist from ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'') was this for Batman. Franchise/{{Batman}}. Before Miller, Batman was remembered for [[Series/{{Batman}} the campy 60s TV-Show TV show]] and his comics was in a period of weak sales. Miller's revision of Batman was actually the crest of an ongoing wave[[note]](before him Dennis O'Neill, Steven Engelheart Steve Engelhart and Neal Adams brought back some of the darkness to the character)[[/note]] but his story, as Miller is fond of saying, "Gave Batman his balls back" and paved the way for the Creator/TimBurton films, the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, the Creator/ChristopherNolan films [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy films]] and the VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries.''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries''.



* Creator/NeilGaiman's ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' is a case of one ghetto crossing into another. Namely it was a comic book that merged elements from superhero stories, horror comics (Creator/ECComics) and with a dollop of Creator/WillEisner's ComicBook/TheSpirit to tell a modern fantasy story that was as popular and influential as the works of Creator/TerryPratchett, Creator/LewisCarroll and Creator/JRRTolkien. It caused quite a fuss when one of its issues won a Hugo Award, and the rules were changed to bar graphic novels. Gaiman's book also attracted attention from literary readers such as Norman Mailer, Samuel Delany and others.

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* Creator/NeilGaiman's ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' is a case of one ghetto crossing into another. Namely it was a comic book that merged elements from superhero stories, horror comics (Creator/ECComics) and with a dollop of Creator/WillEisner's ComicBook/TheSpirit to tell a modern fantasy story that was as popular and influential as the works of Creator/TerryPratchett, Creator/LewisCarroll and Creator/JRRTolkien. It caused quite a fuss when one of its issues won a Hugo Award, and the rules were changed to bar graphic novels. Gaiman's book also attracted attention from literary readers such as Norman Mailer, Samuel Delany Creator/NormanMailer, Creator/SamuelDelany and others.



* ''Film/TheBirthOfANation'' brought cinema out of the ghetto of carnivals and side-show attractions and cement it as a mass-medium greater than theatre, music hall and the circus, leading to a rush of investment in new productions by people seeking to make money in the movie business, and indirectly inventing Hollywood. It's content, glorifying the Klan, is indefensible of course but as critic Dave Kehr noted, it was where movies as an art and a business truly began.
* ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' is a fantasy film and a musical, yet is one of the most beloved classics from the Golden Age of Hollywood. "Over The Rainbow" is an iconic song and Margaret Hamilton's Wicked Witch of the West is an instantly recognisable villain.

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* ''Film/TheBirthOfANation'' brought cinema out of the ghetto of carnivals and side-show attractions and cement it as a mass-medium greater than theatre, music hall and the circus, leading to a rush of investment in new productions by people seeking to make money in the movie business, and indirectly inventing Hollywood. It's content, glorifying Of course, its glorification of the Klan, UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan is indefensible of course indefensible, but as critic Dave Kehr noted, it was where movies as an art and a business truly began.
* ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' is a fantasy film and a musical, yet is one of the most beloved classics from the Golden Age of Hollywood.UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfHollywood. "Over The Rainbow" is an iconic song and Margaret Hamilton's Wicked Witch of the West is an instantly recognisable villain.



** ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' was the first western to attract the seriousness, critical attention and commercial appeal. It was nominated for Best Picture but for a long time, it was the yardstick by which all westerns were measured against, including Ford's later Westerns.
** George Stevens' ''Shane'' as well as ''High Noon'' became the second yardstick for westerns as a serious genre. Both movies tried to create a more psychological approach to the genre which attracted it a broader audience than the usual BMovie westerns.
** TheNineties produced Creator/ClintEastwood ''Film/{{Unforgiven}}'' and Creator/KevinCostner's ''Film/DancesWithWolves'' both of which were 2 of 3 Westerns to win Best Picture at the Academy Awards, they are also seen as GenreKiller (especially Eastwood's ''Unforgiven''). Westerns were produced afterwards but practically no movie has had the critical and commercial success those films enjoyed.

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** ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' was the first western to attract the seriousness, critical attention and commercial appeal. It was nominated for Best Picture but for a long time, it was the yardstick by which all westerns were measured against, including Ford's Creator/JohnFord's later Westerns.
** George Stevens' ''Shane'' ''Film/{{Shane}}'', as well as ''High Noon'' ''Film/HighNoon'', became the second yardstick for westerns as a serious genre. Both movies tried to create a more psychological approach to the genre which attracted it a broader audience than the usual BMovie westerns.
** TheNineties produced Creator/ClintEastwood Creator/ClintEastwood's ''Film/{{Unforgiven}}'' and Creator/KevinCostner's ''Film/DancesWithWolves'' ''Film/DancesWithWolves'', both of which were 2 of 3 Westerns to win Best Picture at the Academy Awards, they Awards. They are also seen as GenreKiller (especially Eastwood's ''Unforgiven'').{{Genre Killer}}s, especially ''Unforgiven''. Westerns were produced afterwards but practically no movie has had the critical and commercial success those films enjoyed.



** Creator/AlfredHitchcock, himself a PigeonHoledDirector, was fascinated by William Castle's cheap horror productions which was held in even ''lower'' esteem and was curious to see if he could make a movie of that kind and raise it out of its ghetto. Usually associated with an elegant type of thriller (featuring high production values and A-list stars). He made ''Film/{{Psycho}}'' cheaply with little known actors and created perhaps the most commercially successful horror movie ever made, one of cinema's most iconic villains and launched the slasher genre, and also scored one of the few Best Director nominations he ever recieved.
** Supernatural horror was seen as being dated but during the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood, movies like Film/RosemarysBaby and Film/TheExorcist managed to attract mainstream success, and would feature respectable critically acclaimed A-list actors rather than B-movie stars. It achieved this via blending regular horrow with religious themes and sexual imagery.
** ''{{Literature/Carrie}}'' is a horror movie that has a lot of blood and gratuitous nudity. It's also held up as a classic and got ''two'' Oscar nominations in the acting categories.
** ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' had copious amounts of blood, gore and disturbing sexual themes and profanity, and likewise having a British Thespian in the role of an urbane villain (the usual MoneyDearBoy for such actors, cf, Creator/AlecGuinness and Obi Wan Kenobi). Yet, despite a February release and lack of fanfare, it not only won Best Picture but also netted Best Director, Best Actor (for Hopkins playing a SerialKiller, a role far away from the usual OscarBait), and Best Actress.
* Until ''Film/TheGodfather'', gangster pictures and crime movies were seen as disposable genre movies, and famous stars who started their careers in popular gangster films such as Creator/HumphreyBogart and Creator/JamesCagney won critical acclaim, in their day and age, for their non-genre performances[[note]]James Cagney for instance won his only Oscar for the musical biopic ''Film/YankeeDoodleDandy'', Bogart who started playing gangsters, then played detectives in many FilmNoir, eventually won an Oscar for ''Film/TheAfricanQueen''[[/note]]. Yet after Coppola's film, an instant-classic and commercial powerhouse, gangster movies and crime dramas was raised in profile and esteem, and Creator/MarlonBrando and Creator/RobertDeNiro won Oscars for playing the same character Vito Corleone. The film's multiple oscars also led many producers to give gangster movies higher budgets and production values than previously associated. Along with Film/TheDeparted by Creator/MartinScorsese, Coppola's Godfather movies are the only crime movies to ever win Best Picture, and the only franchise to boast two Best Picture oscars.
* ''Film/StarWars'' is rather cyclical. In the late 1970s and 1980s, it was cool, then nobody remembered it. In the mid-1990s, ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' and the ''VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga'' introduced the world to the ExpandedUniverse. Then came cries of TheyChangedItNowItSucks for the SpecialEdition and the prequels. On the other hand, the romantic subplot attracted a significant female fandom. And the Mandalorians have attracted a significant following in the military. Of course, ''Star Wars'' fans make fun of their own FanDumb.
* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' has {{Narm}}, {{Green Skinned Space Babe}}s, an {{Anvilicious}} group of [[AlwaysLawfulGood morally superior beings]], and a MarySuetopia. The fanfic coined the term MarySue. The spinoffs use physics terms but have no idea what they mean, if they mean anything. Of course, it's going to attract a lot of hate. Then came the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' movie.
* If you like gay romance, then you're either gay or a hormonal YaoiFangirl. And then came ''BrokebackMountain''.
* Although the TurnOfTheMillennium saw superhero movies becoming more consistently popular and well-received by critics, they were still generally seen as escapist fantasies that primarily appealed to comic book fans and younger demographics. Then came ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', which offered a psychologically complex world and cast, and Creator/HeathLedger portraying SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker with such depth and menace that he managed to become the first person to win an acting Oscar for a role in a superhero movie.
* ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'' attracted critical acclaim unlike any action blockbuster in the last few decades by going completely against the mold. It's strict adherence to ShowDontTell storytelling, simplicity and use of PracticalEffects set it apart from the others and gained it legions of admirers among both mainstream moviegoers and arthouse critics alike, and its feminist themes saw a huge PeripheryDemographic grow around it, with many women finding it a highly refreshing turn from the usual cliches found in other action movies. This eventually led to unprecedented attention during awards season, including the Oscars, which gave it six awards[[note]]More awards than any other 2015 film[[/note]] and nominations for Best Picture and Director.

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** Creator/AlfredHitchcock, himself Creator/AlfredHitchcock was a PigeonHoledDirector, PigeonHoledDirector who was usually associated with an elegant type of {{thriller}} featuring high production values and A-list stars. He was fascinated by William Castle's Creator/WilliamCastle's cheap horror productions productions, which was were held in even ''lower'' esteem esteem, and was curious to see if he could make a movie of that kind and raise it out of its ghetto. Usually associated with an elegant type of thriller (featuring high production values and A-list stars). He Hitchcock made ''Film/{{Psycho}}'' cheaply with little known actors and created perhaps the most commercially successful horror movie ever made, one of cinema's most iconic villains and launched the slasher genre, and also scored one of the few Best Director nominations he ever recieved.received.
** Supernatural horror was seen as being dated but during the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood, UsefulNotes/NewHollywood era, movies like Film/RosemarysBaby ''Film/RosemarysBaby'' and Film/TheExorcist ''Film/TheExorcist'' managed to attract mainstream success, and would feature respectable critically acclaimed A-list actors rather than B-movie stars. It achieved this via blending regular horrow horror with religious themes and sexual imagery.
** ''{{Literature/Carrie}}'' ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'' is a horror movie that has a lot of blood and gratuitous nudity. It's also held up as a classic and got ''two'' Oscar nominations in the acting categories.
** ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' had copious amounts of blood, gore and disturbing sexual themes and profanity, and likewise having a British Thespian Creator/AnthonyHopkins in the role of an urbane villain (the usual MoneyDearBoy for such actors, cf, Creator/AlecGuinness and Obi Wan Kenobi). Yet, despite a February release and lack of fanfare, it not only won Best Picture but also netted Best Director, Best Actor (for Hopkins playing a SerialKiller, a role far away from the usual OscarBait), and Best Actress.
* Until ''Film/TheGodfather'', gangster pictures and crime movies were seen as disposable genre movies, and famous stars who started their careers in popular gangster films such as Creator/HumphreyBogart and Creator/JamesCagney won critical acclaim, in their day and age, for their non-genre performances[[note]]James Cagney for instance won his only Oscar for the musical biopic ''Film/YankeeDoodleDandy'', Bogart who started playing gangsters, then played detectives in many FilmNoir, eventually won an Oscar for ''Film/TheAfricanQueen''[[/note]]. Yet after Coppola's film, an instant-classic and commercial powerhouse, gangster movies and crime dramas was raised in profile and esteem, and Creator/MarlonBrando and Creator/RobertDeNiro won Oscars for playing the same character Vito Corleone. The film's multiple oscars also led many producers to give gangster movies higher budgets and production values than previously associated. Along with Film/TheDeparted ''Film/TheDeparted'' by Creator/MartinScorsese, Coppola's Godfather ''Godfather'' movies are the only crime movies to ever win Best Picture, and the only franchise to boast two Best Picture oscars.
* ''Film/StarWars'' ''Franchise/StarWars'' is rather cyclical. In the late 1970s and 1980s, it was cool, then nobody remembered it. In the mid-1990s, ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' and the ''VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga'' introduced the world to the ExpandedUniverse. Then came cries of TheyChangedItNowItSucks for the SpecialEdition and the prequels. On the other hand, the romantic subplot attracted a significant female fandom. And the Mandalorians have attracted a significant following in the military. Of course, ''Star Wars'' fans make fun of their own FanDumb.
* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' has {{Narm}}, {{Green Skinned Space Babe}}s, an {{Anvilicious}} group of [[AlwaysLawfulGood morally superior beings]], heroes]], and a MarySuetopia. The fanfic coined the term MarySue. The spinoffs use physics terms [[{{Technobabble}} but have no idea what they mean, if they mean anything.anything]]. Of course, it's going to attract a lot of hate. Then came the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' movie.
* If Once, if you like likef gay romance, then you're you were either gay or a hormonal YaoiFangirl. And then came ''BrokebackMountain''.
''Film/BrokebackMountain''.
* Although the TurnOfTheMillennium saw superhero movies becoming more consistently popular and well-received by critics, they were still generally seen as escapist fantasies that primarily appealed to comic book fans and younger demographics. Then came ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', which offered a psychologically complex world and cast, and Creator/HeathLedger portraying SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker with such depth and menace that he managed to become the first person to win an acting Oscar for a role in a superhero movie.
* ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'' attracted critical acclaim unlike any action blockbuster in the last few decades by going completely against the mold. It's Its strict adherence to ShowDontTell storytelling, simplicity and use of PracticalEffects set it apart from the others and gained it legions of admirers among both mainstream moviegoers and arthouse critics alike, and its feminist themes saw a huge PeripheryDemographic grow around it, with many women finding it a highly refreshing turn from the usual cliches found in other action movies. This eventually led to unprecedented attention during awards season, including the Oscars, which gave it six awards[[note]]More awards than any other 2015 film[[/note]] and nominations for Best Picture and Director.



* Teen dystopia literature is looked down upon (just read the attitudes towards ''{{Literature/Divergent}}'' and ''Literature/TheMazeRunner''). However ''Film/TheHungerGames'' is out of the ghetto, the movies doing incredibly well with critics and audiences. They turned Jennifer Lawrence into a superstar in Hollywood and definitely helped usher in more films with ActionGirl protagonists.

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* Teen dystopia literature is looked down upon (just read the attitudes towards ''{{Literature/Divergent}}'' ''Literature/{{Divergent}}'' and ''Literature/TheMazeRunner''). However ''Film/TheHungerGames'' is out of the ghetto, the movies doing incredibly well with critics and audiences. They turned Jennifer Lawrence Creator/JenniferLawrence into a superstar in Hollywood and definitely helped usher in more films with ActionGirl protagonists.



* ''Film/PansLabyrinth'' is a DarkFantasy movie with FairyTaleMotifs. When it was shown at the Cannes Film Festival it received a twenty-two minute standing ovation and now has a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Some of the movie's fans have [[DoingInTheWizard tried to rationalise the fantasy elements as being all in Ofelia's imagination]] but WordOfGod says the magic is real.

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* ''Film/PansLabyrinth'' is a DarkFantasy movie with FairyTaleMotifs. When it was shown at the Cannes Film Festival it received a twenty-two minute standing ovation and now has a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.Website/RottenTomatoes. Some of the movie's fans have [[DoingInTheWizard tried to rationalise the fantasy elements as being all in Ofelia's imagination]] but WordOfGod says the magic is real.



* The Victorian reading public and their predecessors didn't really make the same genre-groupings that we do today, so by virtue of never having been ghettoized to begin with, the following works remain "respectable" despite inspiring later genre fiction:
** Creator/RobertLouisStevenson wrote horror (Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, The Body Snatcher) and adventure novels (''Literature/TreasureIsland, The Master of Ballantrae'') and remains on school curiculum while contemporary authors in the same genre are relegated to YA or Pulp magazines.

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* The Victorian In UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain, the reading public and their predecessors didn't really make the same genre-groupings that we do today, so by virtue of never having been ghettoized to begin with, the following works remain "respectable" despite inspiring later genre fiction:
** Creator/RobertLouisStevenson wrote horror (Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, The Body Snatcher) (''Literature/DrJekyllAndMrHyde'', ''Film/TheBodySnatcher'') and adventure novels (''Literature/TreasureIsland, The (''Literature/TreasureIsland'', ''The Master of Ballantrae'') and remains on school curiculum while contemporary authors in the same genre are relegated to YA or Pulp magazines.



* ''TrueBlood'' has successfully become the most popular thing on HBO, and has almost unanimous critical praise.
* ''Series/GameOfThrones'' is a fantasy series and yet is one of the most popular shows outside of the ghetto and like its literary inspiration shattered the Tolkien-esque vision of fantasy in favor of AlternateUnverse medieval history.

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* ''TrueBlood'' ''Series/TrueBlood'' has successfully become the most popular thing on HBO, Creator/{{HBO}}, and has almost unanimous critical praise.
* ''Series/GameOfThrones'' is a fantasy series and yet is one of the most popular shows outside of the ghetto and like its literary inspiration shattered the Tolkien-esque vision of fantasy in favor of AlternateUnverse AlternateUniverse medieval history.



* Music/RichardWagner's idea of Gesamtkunstwerk was an attempt to close the ghettoes of opera and classical music, high and low art, popular song and high culture. His productions were the blockbusters of his days.

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* Music/RichardWagner's idea of Gesamtkunstwerk was an attempt to close the ghettoes of opera {{Opera}} and classical music, ClassicalMusic, high and low art, popular song and high culture. His productions were the blockbusters of his days.



* White rappers attract only suburban wannabe gangsters...except {{Eminem}}.
* Music/GeorgeGershwin was obsessed with making American music respectable and had an inferiority complex towards classical music. Even if Ravel and Stravinsky for example, absolutely loved Gershwin's music and kept telling him to be "a first-rate Gershwin" rather than a "second-rate Ravel/Stravinsky". Gershwin was obsessed with creating an authentic American opera, and this led to Theatre/PorgyAndBess. Thanks to SocietyMarchesOn, where Jazz has become HighArt as has the American Musical to some extent, a lot of Gershwin's attempts at respectability have dated poorly compared to his authentic work as a popular composer.

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* White rappers attract only suburban wannabe gangsters...except {{Eminem}}.
Music/{{Eminem}}.
* Music/GeorgeGershwin was obsessed with making American music respectable and had an inferiority complex towards classical music. Even if Ravel and Stravinsky for example, absolutely loved Gershwin's music and kept telling him to be "a first-rate Gershwin" rather than a "second-rate Ravel/Stravinsky". Gershwin was obsessed with creating an authentic American opera, and this led to Theatre/PorgyAndBess. ''Theatre/PorgyAndBess''. Thanks to SocietyMarchesOn, where Jazz {{Jazz}} has become HighArt as has the American Musical to some extent, a lot of Gershwin's attempts at respectability have dated poorly compared to his authentic work as a popular composer.



* The Internet itself. 1990s version: It's for [[TheInternetIsForPorn porn]], ''Franchise/StarTrek'', debates about [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny the Empire taking on the Federation]], anime and [[RuleThirtyFour combinations of the foregoing]]. ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet. 2000s version: [=MySpace=]! Napster! iTunes! [=BitTorrent=]! {{Facebook}}! There's still porn, but now teenage girls are sending it to their boyfriends.

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* The Internet itself. 1990s version: It's for [[TheInternetIsForPorn porn]], ''Franchise/StarTrek'', ''Franchise/StarWars'', debates about [[Franchise/StarWars the Empire]] [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny the Empire taking on the Federation]], anime {{Anime}} and [[RuleThirtyFour combinations of the foregoing]]. ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet. 2000s version: [=MySpace=]! Napster! iTunes! [=BitTorrent=]! {{Facebook}}! Website/{{Facebook}}! There's still porn, but now teenage girls are sending it to their boyfriends.



** Incidentally, Limbaugh ''himself'' is an (successful) example, taking political-commentary-based radio out of the droning doldrums and into the controversial and popular format it is today.[[note]]The three above, along with fringe conservative Michael Savage, plus two NPR talk programs, are the second-thru-seventh most listened to radio shows (NPR taking the 4 & 5 spots), according to TheOtherWiki, Summer 2011, with only AmericanTop40 surpassing them.[[/note]] Granted, the revocation of The Fairness Doctrine made it possible, but there still had to be a leader [[FollowTheLeader for everyone to follow]].

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** Incidentally, Limbaugh ''himself'' is an (successful) example, taking political-commentary-based radio out of the droning doldrums and into the controversial and popular format it is today.[[note]]The three above, along with fringe conservative Michael Savage, plus two NPR Creator/{{NPR}} talk programs, are the second-thru-seventh most listened to radio shows (NPR taking the 4 & 5 spots), according to TheOtherWiki, Summer 2011, with only AmericanTop40 surpassing them.[[/note]] Granted, the revocation of The Fairness Doctrine made it possible, but there still had to be a leader [[FollowTheLeader for everyone to follow]].



* The {{Wii}} series of games as well as Nintendo's other Touch Generations games saw the demographic for gaming broaden outside the 18-34 demographic (though it had long existed in younger demographics as well).

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* The {{Wii}} UsefulNotes/{{Wii}} series of games as well as Nintendo's other Touch Generations games saw the demographic for gaming broaden outside the 18-34 demographic (though it had long existed in younger demographics as well).



* As the AnimationAgeGhetto page explains, WesternAnimation was once an all-ages affair as complementary works to major movies, and this held true in the first decades of TV; this is why ''TheFlintstones'' and ''TheJetsons'' aired in UsefulNotes/PrimeTime in their heyday. Then {{demographics}} emerged, animation studios largely became separate from movie studios, and the dark days of the Ghetto began. This lasted for [[TheSeventies two long]] [[TheEighties decades]] until ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' aired on {{FOX}}. Subsequent shows upped the ante, until you were sure you ''didn't'' want your kids to watch WesternAnimation, at least after sunset.

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* As the AnimationAgeGhetto page explains, WesternAnimation was once an all-ages affair as complementary works to major movies, and this held true in the first decades of TV; this is why ''TheFlintstones'' ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'', ''WesternAnimation/TheJetsons'' and ''TheJetsons'' ''WesternAnimation/JonnyQuest'' aired in UsefulNotes/PrimeTime in their heyday. Then {{demographics}} emerged, animation studios largely became separate from movie studios, and the dark days of the Ghetto began. This lasted for [[TheSeventies two long]] [[TheEighties decades]] until ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' aired on {{FOX}}. Creator/{{FOX}}. Subsequent shows upped the ante, until you were sure you ''didn't'' want your kids to watch WesternAnimation, western animation, at least after sunset.



* [[{{Nickelodeon}} Nicktoons]] were (somewhat fairly) stereotyped as superficial, [[AnimationAgeGhetto immature]], and [[CoveredInGunge slimy]]. Then came ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''.

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* [[{{Nickelodeon}} [[Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} Nicktoons]] were (somewhat fairly) stereotyped as superficial, [[AnimationAgeGhetto immature]], and [[CoveredInGunge slimy]]. Then came ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''.
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* Unsuccessful attempt: Political talk radio is a right-wing medium, right? Certainly Radio/RushLimbaugh, Sean Hannity, and GlennBeck would have you think so. Meet...pretty much all of Air America. [[AnalogyBackfire Which failed to compete with Rush and co. and shut down.]]

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* Unsuccessful attempt: Political talk radio is a right-wing medium, right? Certainly Radio/RushLimbaugh, Sean Hannity, and GlennBeck Radio/GlennBeck would have you think so. Meet...pretty much all of Air America. [[AnalogyBackfire Which failed to compete with Rush and co. and shut down.]]
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* Creator/ArtSpiegelman's ''ComicBook/{{Maus}}'' also demonstrated that comics could tackle subjects like UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust and earn the same kind of respect and attention as Anne Frank's diary and Film/SchindlersList.

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* Creator/ArtSpiegelman's ''ComicBook/{{Maus}}'' also demonstrated that comics could tackle subjects like UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust and earn the same kind of respect and attention as Anne Frank's diary and Film/SchindlersList.''Film/SchindlersList''.
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* Creator/FrankMiller's ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns (with partial assist from ComicBook/TheKillingJoke) was this for Batman. Before Miller, Batman was remembered for the campy 60s TV-Show and his comics was in a period of weak sales. Miller's revision of Batman was actually the crest of an ongoing wave[[note]](before him Dennis O'Neill, Steven Engelheart and Neal Adams brought back some of the darkness to the character)[[/note]] but his story, as Miller is fond of saying, "Gave Batman his balls back" and paved the way for the Creator/TimBurton films, the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, the Creator/ChristopherNolan films and the VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries.

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* Creator/FrankMiller's ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' (with partial assist from ComicBook/TheKillingJoke) ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'') was this for Batman. Before Miller, Batman was remembered for the campy 60s TV-Show and his comics was in a period of weak sales. Miller's revision of Batman was actually the crest of an ongoing wave[[note]](before him Dennis O'Neill, Steven Engelheart and Neal Adams brought back some of the darkness to the character)[[/note]] but his story, as Miller is fond of saying, "Gave Batman his balls back" and paved the way for the Creator/TimBurton films, the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, the Creator/ChristopherNolan films and the VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries.
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-->--'''Father Robert Murray''', one of Creator/JRRTolkien's mentors, on the latter's ''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings magnum opus]]''%%quoted in Joseph Pearce's ''Tolkien Man and Myth''

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-->--'''Father Robert Murray''', one of Creator/JRRTolkien's mentors, on the latter's ''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings magnum opus]]''%%quoted on ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''%%quoted in Joseph Pearce's ''Tolkien Man and Myth''



* Until Film/TheGodfather, gangster pictures and crime movies were seen as disposable genre movies, and famous stars who started their careers in popular gangster films such as Creator/HumphreyBogart and Creator/JamesCagney won critical acclaim, in their day and age, for their non-genre performances[[note]]James Cagney for instance won his only Oscar for the musical biopic Film/YankeeDoodleDandy, Bogart who started playing gangsters, then played detectives in many FilmNoir, eventually won an Oscar for Film/TheAfricanQueen[[/note]]. Yet after Coppola's film, an instant-classic and commercial powerhouse, gangster movies and crime dramas was raised in profile and esteem, and Creator/MarlonBrando and Creator/RobertDeNiro won Oscars for playing the same character Vito Corleone. The film's multiple oscars also led many producers to give gangster movies higher budgets and production values than previously associated. Along with Film/TheDeparted by Creator/MartinScorsese, Coppola's Godfather movies are the only crime movies to ever win Best Picture, and the only franchise to boast two Best Picture oscars.
* ''Film/StarWars'' is rather cyclical. In the late 1970s and 1980s, it was cool, then nobody remembered it. In the mid-1990s, ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' and the VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga introduced the world to the ExpandedUniverse. Then came cries of TheyChangedItNowItSucks for the SpecialEdition and the prequels. On the other hand, the romantic subplot attracted a significant female fandom. And the Mandalorians have attracted a significant following in the military. Of course, ''Star Wars'' fans make fun of their own FanDumb.

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* Until Film/TheGodfather, ''Film/TheGodfather'', gangster pictures and crime movies were seen as disposable genre movies, and famous stars who started their careers in popular gangster films such as Creator/HumphreyBogart and Creator/JamesCagney won critical acclaim, in their day and age, for their non-genre performances[[note]]James Cagney for instance won his only Oscar for the musical biopic Film/YankeeDoodleDandy, ''Film/YankeeDoodleDandy'', Bogart who started playing gangsters, then played detectives in many FilmNoir, eventually won an Oscar for Film/TheAfricanQueen[[/note]].''Film/TheAfricanQueen''[[/note]]. Yet after Coppola's film, an instant-classic and commercial powerhouse, gangster movies and crime dramas was raised in profile and esteem, and Creator/MarlonBrando and Creator/RobertDeNiro won Oscars for playing the same character Vito Corleone. The film's multiple oscars also led many producers to give gangster movies higher budgets and production values than previously associated. Along with Film/TheDeparted by Creator/MartinScorsese, Coppola's Godfather movies are the only crime movies to ever win Best Picture, and the only franchise to boast two Best Picture oscars.
* ''Film/StarWars'' is rather cyclical. In the late 1970s and 1980s, it was cool, then nobody remembered it. In the mid-1990s, ''ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' and the VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga ''VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga'' introduced the world to the ExpandedUniverse. Then came cries of TheyChangedItNowItSucks for the SpecialEdition and the prequels. On the other hand, the romantic subplot attracted a significant female fandom. And the Mandalorians have attracted a significant following in the military. Of course, ''Star Wars'' fans make fun of their own FanDumb.



* ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'' attracted critical acclaim unlike any action blockbuster in the last few decades by going completely against the mold. It's strict adherence to ShowDontTell storytelling, simplicity and use of PracticalEffects set it apart from the others and gained it legions of admirers among both mainstream moviegoers and arthouse critics alike, and its feminist themes saw a huge PeripheryDemographic grow around it, with many women finding it a highly refreshing turn from the usual cliches found in other action movies. This eventually led to unprecedented attention during awards season, including the Oscars, which gave it six awards[[labelnote:Note]]More awards than any other 2015 film[[/labelnote]] and nominations for Best Picture and Director.

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* ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'' attracted critical acclaim unlike any action blockbuster in the last few decades by going completely against the mold. It's strict adherence to ShowDontTell storytelling, simplicity and use of PracticalEffects set it apart from the others and gained it legions of admirers among both mainstream moviegoers and arthouse critics alike, and its feminist themes saw a huge PeripheryDemographic grow around it, with many women finding it a highly refreshing turn from the usual cliches found in other action movies. This eventually led to unprecedented attention during awards season, including the Oscars, which gave it six awards[[labelnote:Note]]More awards[[note]]More awards than any other 2015 film[[/labelnote]] film[[/note]] and nominations for Best Picture and Director.



* ''{{Film/Titanic1997}}'' is a big budget romantic epic that was one of the highest grossing movies of all time - and is the only film in history to win Best Film at both the Oscars and the ''MTV Movie Awards''. The ItsPopularNowItSucks backlash came on pretty quickly, but the PopularityPolynomial has ensured that it's out of the ghetto.

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* ''{{Film/Titanic1997}}'' ''{{Film/Titanic 1997}}'' is a big budget romantic epic that was one of the highest grossing movies of all time - and is the only film in history to win Best Film at both the Oscars and the ''MTV Movie Awards''. The ItsPopularNowItSucks backlash came on pretty quickly, but the PopularityPolynomial has ensured that it's out of the ghetto.



* Unsuccessful attempt: Political talk radio is a right-wing medium, right? Certainly RushLimbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck would have you think so. Meet...pretty much all of Air America. [[AnalogyBackfire Which failed to compete with Rush and co. and shut down.]]

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* Unsuccessful attempt: Political talk radio is a right-wing medium, right? Certainly RushLimbaugh, Radio/RushLimbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck GlennBeck would have you think so. Meet...pretty much all of Air America. [[AnalogyBackfire Which failed to compete with Rush and co. and shut down.]]



* Video games are an interesting case, since there are so many ghettoes. First, the "games are for kids" ghetto. ''StreetFighter'' and ''MortalKombat'' broke out of that.

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* Video games are an interesting case, since there are so many ghettoes. First, the "games are for kids" ghetto. ''StreetFighter'' ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' and ''MortalKombat'' ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' broke out of that.
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