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21st Apr '18 11:28:33 AM nombretomado
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* Raven demonstrated in TeenTitans that Superboy, who was also born without a soul, developed one over time as he lived his life.

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* Raven demonstrated in TeenTitans ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' that Superboy, who was also born without a soul, developed one over time as he lived his life.
9th Apr '18 6:50:27 AM XenMon2
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** It turns out that souls [[spoiler: are effectively parasites that collect the owner's experiences and, upon death, float into space and are eaten by [[EldritchAbomination the Sun]] who then gains the previous owners' memories, making it even more omnipotent.]]
20th Mar '18 4:24:30 PM MarqFJA
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** Pariahs are literally soulless, and have no existence in the spiritual reality called "the Warp". This is hugely disconcerting to all around them, although those so offended rarely know why. This is especially dangerous to those with powers drawn from that realm, but is no protection from their powers. Those ultra-rare individuals who passively block or diminish supernatural powers are referred to as 'blanks' or 'untouchables', and with the exception of Warp users reacting badly to them there is no indication that they are anything but fully souled. This confusion is not helped by Games Workshop being extremely vague on the manner, often using the terms interchangeably between different media. The current consensus on their differences and exact capabilities, and if they indeed are the same thing, appears highly diffuse.
*** The ''Liber Chaotica'' and ''Liber Necris'' sourcebooks go into deep detail on TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} souls, eventually concluding that they must comprise at least seven divisible parts.
** Both Necrons and Tau also lack a Warp presence, meaning they probably lack souls. In the case of the Necrons this is because their EldritchAbomination masters stole theirs and they are mostly mindless and entirely emotionless killing machines. The Tau never seem to have had any, which is odd, given that they are a vibrant, emotional and (given the state of the universe) relatively compassionate species.
*** The Tau DO have souls. They are described as psychically 'Blunt' as opposed to 'Blank', meaning they have a minimal warp presence/soul.
*** There have also been several hints that they were guided and/or genetically modified to develop this trait. ''Somebody'' dropped their ruling class on them and saved from extinction, for this exact reason according to some sources, but their identity and purpose remains murky.
** The Eldar are stated to have particularly strong souls that retain consciousness after death, which is particularly horrifying as their souls are promptly torn apart and devoured by an Eldritch Abomination of their own creation.

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** Pariahs are literally soulless, essentially soulless from birth, and have no existence detectable presence in the spiritual reality called "the Warp".Warp" like any non-Pariah does. This is hugely disconcerting to all around them, although those so offended rarely know why. This is especially dangerous to those with powers drawn from that realm, but is no protection from their powers. Those ultra-rare individuals who passively block or diminish supernatural powers are referred to as 'blanks' or 'untouchables', and with the exception of Warp users reacting badly to them there is no indication that they are anything but fully souled. This confusion is not helped by Games Workshop being extremely vague on the manner, often using the terms interchangeably between different media. The current consensus on their differences and exact capabilities, and if they indeed are the same thing, appears highly diffuse.
*** The ''Liber Chaotica'' and ''Liber Necris'' sourcebooks go into deep detail on TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' souls, eventually concluding that they must comprise at least seven divisible parts.
** Both Necrons and Tau also lack a Warp presence, meaning they probably lack souls. In the case of the Necrons this is because their EldritchAbomination masters stole theirs and they are mostly mindless and entirely emotionless killing machines. machines.
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The Tau never seem to do have had any, which is odd, given that they are a vibrant, emotional and (given the state of the universe) relatively compassionate species.
*** The Tau DO have souls. They
souls, but are described as psychically 'Blunt' as opposed to 'Blank', meaning they have a minimal warp presence/soul.
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presence/soul. There have also been several hints that they were guided and/or genetically modified to develop this trait. ''Somebody'' dropped their ruling class on them and saved from extinction, for this exact reason according to some sources, but their identity and purpose remains murky.
** The Eldar are stated to have particularly strong souls that retain consciousness after death, which is particularly horrifying as their souls are promptly torn apart and devoured by an Eldritch Abomination of their own creation.creation, unless they make use of special methods to avoid such a fate.
14th Mar '18 5:31:08 PM Someoneman
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* In the {{Franchise/Nasuverse}}, souls are eternal, but require a physical body to tether them to the world. The soul is linked to the body, and when the body dies, it returns to [[TheLifestream Akasha]], to await reincarnation. Ordinarily when a soul is reincarnated, it retains no memories from any of it's previous lives, but there are ways around this, as seen with [[{{VisualNovel/Tsukihime}} Roa]]. If a person does manage to preserve their soul beyond the death of their original body, usually by [[GrandTheftMe transferring it directly into a new body]] or by [[OurVampiresAreDifferent becoming a vampire]], then the soul will decay. The Third True Magic, as explained in VisualNovel/FateStayNight, can overcome this problem. Also, [[spoiler:[[LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai Aozaki Touko]] has a method of [[CloningGambit transferring her consciousness and soul into an identical artificial body]] with no apparent negative effects.]]

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* In the {{Franchise/Nasuverse}}, souls are eternal, but require a physical body to tether them to the world. The soul is linked to the body, and when the body dies, it returns to [[TheLifestream Akasha]], to await reincarnation. Ordinarily when a soul is reincarnated, it retains no memories from any of it's its previous lives, but there are ways around this, as seen with [[{{VisualNovel/Tsukihime}} Roa]]. If a person does manage to preserve their soul beyond the death of their original body, usually by [[GrandTheftMe transferring it directly into a new body]] or by [[OurVampiresAreDifferent becoming a vampire]], then the soul will decay. The Third True Magic, as explained in VisualNovel/FateStayNight, can overcome this problem. Also, [[spoiler:[[LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai Aozaki Touko]] has a method of [[CloningGambit transferring her consciousness and soul into an identical artificial body]] with no apparent negative effects.]]



* The ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' series largely revolves around the various effects of souls and the corruption thereof. Losing your soul will kill you, while returning a soul into it's dead body will apparently create a vampire. A corruption of the soul leads to a creeping physical corruption - Kain's vampire lieutenants grew into increasingly inhuman monsters instead of just stronger. Also very importantly, souls are food for various beings, almost all them tied into the biggest soul-devourer of them all, [[spoiler:the Elder God. A purified soul, on the other hand, will enable a being to see said god.]]. There's a lot more, but these are the most noteworthy points.

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* The ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' series largely revolves around the various effects of souls and the corruption thereof. Losing your soul will kill you, while returning a soul into it's its dead body will apparently create a vampire. A corruption of the soul leads to a creeping physical corruption - Kain's vampire lieutenants grew into increasingly inhuman monsters instead of just stronger. Also very importantly, souls are food for various beings, almost all them tied into the biggest soul-devourer of them all, [[spoiler:the Elder God. A purified soul, on the other hand, will enable a being to see said god.]]. There's a lot more, but these are the most noteworthy points.



* In ''VideoGame/ChzoMythos'' the soul is one of a person's three aspects, the other two is the body and the mind. The soul is described as the entity that dreams and hopes, and is therefore regarded as a symbol of the future. A soul can feel pain if someone or something very dear to the person it belongs to is killed and/or destroyed, but since this permanently cripples the soul, it can only be done once. A soul can be completely destroyed if it is [[SoulJar bound to an object]] and that object is destroyed. Furthermore: A mind separated from it's soul will go insane and lose it's perception of reality, an effect that increases the further away the soul is.

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* In ''VideoGame/ChzoMythos'' the soul is one of a person's three aspects, the other two is the body and the mind. The soul is described as the entity that dreams and hopes, and is therefore regarded as a symbol of the future. A soul can feel pain if someone or something very dear to the person it belongs to is killed and/or destroyed, but since this permanently cripples the soul, it can only be done once. A soul can be completely destroyed if it is [[SoulJar bound to an object]] and that object is destroyed. Furthermore: A mind separated from it's its soul will go insane and lose it's its perception of reality, an effect that increases the further away the soul is.



* ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'': Souls are a fairly easily tradable commodity, being one of the base level items a player can buy in the Bazaar. They're usually collected exclusively by spirifers using their spirifing forks and devils with their in born abilities, [[spoiler: but even groups like the Ratticus Fabers and Urchins manage to get their hands on souls, and its implied they don't exactly purchase them]] but they can be held and used as a resource by pretty much anyone. Losing your soul can have a variety of effects, sidebar text stating "In simpler times, Hell would take a soul on the death of the body. Death is more complicated in Fallen London, though not unknown. So it's not terribly uncommon to meet someone who's short a soul. Some of them become mumbling, dead-eyed husks: some of them simply turn to occupations where soullessness is a professional advantage".

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* ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'': Souls are a fairly easily tradable commodity, being one of the base level items a player can buy in the Bazaar. They're usually collected exclusively by spirifers using their spirifing forks and devils with their in born abilities, [[spoiler: but even groups like the Ratticus Fabers and Urchins manage to get their hands on souls, and its it's implied they don't exactly purchase them]] but they can be held and used as a resource by pretty much anyone. Losing your soul can have a variety of effects, sidebar text stating "In simpler times, Hell would take a soul on the death of the body. Death is more complicated in Fallen London, though not unknown. So it's not terribly uncommon to meet someone who's short a soul. Some of them become mumbling, dead-eyed husks: some of them simply turn to occupations where soullessness is a professional advantage".



** In ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' they even seem to have an afterlife, the Well of All Sparks. While it's existence has been proven, virtually no properties have been established for it.

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** In ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' they even seem to have an afterlife, the Well of All Sparks. While it's its existence has been proven, virtually no properties have been established for it.
30th Jan '18 9:14:58 AM BeerBaron
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30th Jan '18 9:14:33 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', a [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Daedric]] soul, or "Essence", is referred to as ''The Animus''. Unlike a mortal soul, which can ''theoretically'' be permanently destroyed, a Daedric ''Animus'' is both everlasting and protean. As a result, "killing" a Daedra's mortal shell is possible, but it's soul will just take a metaphysical swim through the cosmic sewers and be spat back out again... Eventually. This can even [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu happen]] to the [[PowersThatBe Daedric Princes]] when they take [[PhysicalGod physical forms]] on the mortal plane.
** Souls are also divided into Black, White and Dragon. A Black soul is a soul of an intelligent, sapient creature, except dragons. It can be a humanoid (human, elf, beastman) or a greater, social Daedric race such as Dremora or Golden Saint. It apparently consists of two parts: consciousness and spirit energy. When such a soul is [[PoweredByAForsakenChild trapped and used]] for enchantment, the energy part powers the item and the consciousness part goes to the Soul Cairn, one realm of the undead. Such a FateWorseThanDeath this is, that black soul gems, used for trapping sapient souls, are banned by law and identify their owner as an user of TheDarkArts. A White soul, on the other hand, is a soul of an unintelligent creature (an animal, a lesser daedra, a non-sentient undead). It can be trapped in any old soul gem without qualms and repercussions. Dragon souls, the most powerful, cannot be manipulated by any soul gems and share the reincarnability property of the Daedric soul; but the Dovahkiin and other dragons can absorb dragon souls of their slain enemies, increasing their powers.
*** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', the souls of the Falmer, unlike the other Mer races, are White and can be trapped in normal Soul Gems. This shows just how far the race has fallen. They are essentially neither sentient nor free-willed anymore.
** Also worth nothing, in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline'' it seems that even though your soul is in the hands of Molag Bal and your body separated from it, your body is still quite conscious, and suffers no ill effects. If anything it's [[CursedWithAwesome beneficial]], as you are apparently immortal. If your mortal shell is slain, you can reconstitute at the nearest wayshrine.

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In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', general throughout the series, all living things seems to have souls, with the souls of more intelligent and stronger creatures typically being "larger" (more powerful). Under ordinary circumstances, the mind and soul of a mortal are one, with the soul closely connected to both its animating consciousness and the form of its body. Souls are generally immortal, though [[YourSoulIsMine can be trapped]] and in some cases, [[CessationOfExistence utterly destroyed]]. When a mortal dies, his soul typically travels to [[SpiritWorld Aetherius]], and, depending on the mortal's religious beliefs may inhabit a specific part of Aetherius (such as [[WarriorHeaven Sovngarde or The Far Shores]] for a [[HornyVikings Nord]] or [[MasterSwordsman Redguard]]). To get into more esoteric "lore speak", souls in Aetherius may then enter the "Dreamsleeve", where they are broken down, combined, and reforged into [[{{Reincarnation}} new beings]]. In same cases, souls may not make it to Aetherius, such as if the soul is trapped, bound to the mortal world for some reason, or claimed by a specific deity (such as a [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]]). In these cases, the soul may end up in the bleak [[AndIMustScream Soul Cairn]] or in the [[EldritchLocation realm]] of a Daedric Prince.
** There are also known to be several "types" of soul:
*** "White" souls are those of creatures, monsters, beings of lesser sapience (such as [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins]] or [[OurGiantsAreBigger Giants]]), and less intelligent
[[OurDemonsAreDifferent Daedric]] soul, or "Essence", is referred to as ''The Animus''. Unlike a lesser Daedra]].
*** "Black" souls are those of intelligent, fully sapient creatures (with the exception of Dragons and presumably other Aedric beings, more on that below). Black souls are those of the humanoid
mortal soul, races (Men, [[OurElvesAreBetter Mer]], [[PettingZooPeople Beast Folk]]) as well as the greater of the lesser Daedra, like the Dremora, Auriel, and Mazken.
*** It is also possible for creatures with Black souls to have their souls become White over time. For example, the Falmer (Snow Elves) were once another race of Mer similar to the Altmer. In an attempt to escape the [[FinalSolution genocide of their race]] at the hands of the invading [[HornyVikings Atmorans]] (ancestors of the Nords), some of the surviving Falmer fled to their [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame Dwemer]] cousins. In exchange for their protection, the Dwemer forced to the Falmer to blind and debase themselves through eating poisonous mushrooms before forcing the Falmer to serve them as essentially slaves and test subjects. The process also [[FuturePrimitive affected the]] [[WasOnceAMan very souls]] of the Falmer, turning them from Black to White. Similarly, the Dreugh also went through such a process. A race of [[FishPeople humanoid octopi]], the Dreugh once formed underwater civilizations of "glass and coral", and were known to inhabit Tamriel before the arrival of the [[{{Precursors}} Aldmer]]. These Dreugh were highly intelligent, able to speak, and capable of using magic. According to some sources, the Dreugh come from a previous "kalpa", or cycle of time, in
which they ruled the world in service to Molag Bal, Daedric Prince of Domination and Corruption. However, that world (known as "Lyg") was destroyed and the remnants were one of the 12 worlds assembled to create Nirn during the [[TimeOfMyths Dawn Era]] as described in many {{Creation Myth}}s. Conflicts with hunters (particularly the Dunmer) over thousands of years are believed to have contributed to the destruction of Dreugh civilization as well as their devolved intelligence. Like the Falmer, this also affected their souls, which are now White.
*** There are also the souls of [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragons]], which as [[OurAngelsAreDifferent lesser Aedric beings]], have special properties of their own. While any being of sufficient ability
can ''theoretically'' be physically slay a dragon, only another "Dov" (dragon or Dragonborn) can permanently destroyed, kill a dragon by absorbing its soul. This blocks the dragon from being [[ResurrectiveImmortality resurrected]] and also grants the recipient a portion of the knowledge and skills of their fallen opponent. Dragonborn are [[TheChosenOne special mortals]] gifted with the soul of a dragon by Akatosh, the [[DragonsAreDivine draconic]] [[TopGod chief deity]] of the Aedric pantheon. The PlayerCharacter of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' is a Dragonborn. According to some theories, Dov (including Dragonborn) are not so much the "children" of Akatosh, but are [[PiecesOfGod fragments of his very being]]. One Dov absorbing the soul of another causes that Dov to increase in power because these "fragments" are recombining.
** As mentioned, all souls have SoulPower which can be used in the [[ItemCrafting enchanting]] process to create items imbued with magical power. "White" souls can be trapped in standard [[CrystalPrison soul gems]], which range in size. The more powerful the soul, the larger the soul gem needs to be in order to capture it. In order to trap a "Black" soul, a special black soul gem is required. Creation of black soul gems involves putting standard "Grand" soul gems through a [[TheDarkArts dark ritual]]. When a Black soul is trapped, the energy part remains in the gem and is used to enchant/recharge an item. The "counciousness" part goes to the aforementioned Soul Cairn. There is currently no known way to utilize a dragon soul in this process, though there is historical evidence of a divine soul being trapped and used in a similar fashion. When [[FounderOfTheKingdom Tiber Septim]] needed a power source for the newly acquired [[HumongousMecha Numidium]], his [[CourtMage Imperial Battlemage]], Zurin Arctus, crafted the Mantella. Said to be an "unimaginably powerful" soul gem, Arctus, according to some of [[WrittenByTheWinners the more heretical tales]], successfully soul-trapped and slew (with the help of a large group of [[BadassArmy Imperial Legionaries]]) Wulfharth Ash-King, a former ally of Septim's who is believed to be a [[EternalHero Shezarrine]], a [[GodInHumanForm mortal incarnation]] of the soul of the [[GodIsDead "dead" creator god]], Lorkhan (known as Shezarr to the Imperials). Arctus successfully trapped Wulfharth's soul in the Mantella, but not before Wulfharth was able to kill Arctus "with his dying breath". This act is believed to have [[MergerOfSouls merged the two individuals]] into the being known as the "Underking", who was then tied to the Mantella. For additional information on these individuals and the events surrounding them, see their entries on the series' [[Characters/TheElderScrollsHistorialFigures Historical Figures]] page.
** The souls of Daedra also come with a special caveat. They technically do not have "souls" as we understand them, possessing instead an animus called a "vestige". Functionally, however, it is largely the same. While the vestige of lesser Daedra can be trapped and used in the same way as mortal souls, all forms of Daedra possess CompleteImmortality. As such, slaying the physical form of a Daedra (be they a lesser Daedra or the avatar of
a Daedric ''Animus'' is both everlasting and protean. As a result, "killing" a Daedra's mortal shell Prince) is possible, but it's soul the vestige will just take a metaphysical swim through the cosmic sewers and be spat back out again... Eventually. This can even [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu happen]] reformed in Oblivion. (Though this process is said to the [[PowersThatBe Daedric Princes]] when they take [[PhysicalGod physical forms]] on time and is considered an "embarrassing" and "humiliating" experience for the mortal plane.
Daedra in question.)
** Souls are also divided into Black, White and Dragon. A Black soul is a soul of an intelligent, sapient creature, except dragons. It can be a humanoid (human, elf, beastman) or a greater, social Daedric race such as Dremora or Golden Saint. It apparently consists of two parts: consciousness and spirit energy. When such a soul is [[PoweredByAForsakenChild trapped and used]] for enchantment, the energy part powers the item and the consciousness part goes to the Soul Cairn, one realm of the undead. Such a FateWorseThanDeath this is, that black soul gems, used for trapping sapient souls, are banned by law and identify their owner as an user of TheDarkArts. A White soul, on the other hand, is a soul of an unintelligent creature (an animal, a lesser daedra, a non-sentient undead). It can be trapped in any old soul gem without qualms and repercussions. Dragon souls, the most powerful, cannot be manipulated by any soul gems and share the reincarnability property of the Daedric soul; but the Dovahkiin and other dragons can absorb dragon souls of their slain enemies, increasing their powers.
*** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', the souls of the Falmer, unlike the other Mer races, are White and can be trapped in normal Soul Gems. This shows just how far the race has fallen. They are essentially neither sentient nor free-willed anymore.
** Also worth nothing, in
''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline'' it seems that even though your soul is adds another element to the mix in the hands form of the "Soul Shriven". Soul shriven are mortals who have had their souls taken by [[GodOfEvil Molag Bal]], the Daedric Prince of [[TheCorrupter Corruption and Domination]]. Cultists devoted to Bal ritually sacrifice victims, who are pulled into [[BloodyBowelsOfHell Coldharbour]] (Bal's Daedric realm), their souls stolen and your body separated from it, your body is still quite conscious, and suffers no ill effects. If replaced by Daedric vestiges at the moment of death. For the PlayerCharacter of ''ESO'', if anything it's [[CursedWithAwesome beneficial]], ''[[CursedWithAwesome beneficial]]'', as you are apparently immortal. If your mortal shell physical form is slain, you can reconstitute at the nearest wayshrine.
9th Jan '18 10:33:51 AM wingedcatgirl
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* In Creator/PhilipJoseFarmer's ''Literature/{{Riverworld}}'' series, the soul is an ''artificial construct'' implanted by AppliedPhlebotinum, recording one's life, memories, and existence to allow people to reincarnate on the eponymous Riverworld, eons later, and work their way to some kind of Redemption/Ascension/Crystal Dragon Nirvana. One striking scene shows a holding vat holding thousands of souls: this is metaphysics meeting brutally mass manufacture. Imagine: machinery handling souls like a billion ghostly coke bottles on a production line. In a supreme irony there is no ''proof'' for the final afterlife: the spirit engineers are profoundly religious.
** This is backwards. The devices were not souls, they were [[spoiler:the detailed recordings of physical humans, including all memories recorded by the brain. To rejoin the soul to a body, they needed the exact physical body it started with, because the soul had a blueprint of that body when it left the body once and for all. So they created the person's exact original body from the blueprint in the soul, which summoned the soul back into the unconscious body. They healed the body from all human ills, including whatever killed it and old age, so the soul would have a healthy young body to return to. Then they destroyed the bodies. However, when they were ready, they could recreate them at will, thus summoning the soul to a young healthy body and returning the person to life. The problem wasn't that they needed to create souls, but that the souls floated around unconscious after death, and they needed to create an ''afterlife''.]]
9th Jan '18 10:30:13 AM wingedcatgirl
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* ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', being an atheistic DeconstructionFic, operates on the premise that souls don't exist. Ghosts are magical imprints caused by the burst of magic released on death, and are demonstrably non-sapient. The [[SoulJar Horcrux]] exploits the ghost-imprint process to imprint the caster's personality onto an object, instead of the deceased, and let them commit GrandTheftMe later -- with the obvious drawback of being an ''out-of-date'' personality imprint, on top of requiring physical contact from your victim. Ironically, the closest confirmed thing to a soul is [[spoiler:Voldemort's "Horcrux 2.0", which manages to keep an up-to-date copy of the user's mind, but left him [[AndIMustScream helplessly stuck in his Horcruxes]] until Quirrell stumbled upon one. He was only able to rectify ''that'' flaw by adding the Resurrection Stone, which allows his Horcrux-copy to manifest as a spiritual projection]].
4th Jan '18 6:33:37 PM nombretomado
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* [[HowToKillACharacter You die]].

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* [[HowToKillACharacter [[JustForFun/HowToKillACharacter You die]].
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** In ''VideoGame/SunlessSea'', set in the same world, you don't really face serious penalties when you lose your soul, either to a Devil or to the Pentecost apes of the Empire of Hands. That said, given [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential some of the stuff your captain can pull]], it could easily be argued that zeefaring is one of those occupations where a certain measure of soullessness is advantageous! London has also set up certain controls on the soul trade, with you facing customs duties for failing to successfully smuggle unstamped crates of souls past the Revenue Men; picking up some stamped crates at Dearly Departed is a decent way to squeeze a little extra profit out of a trip to Khan's Shadow.
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