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23rd Feb '17 9:53:35 AM Prfnoff
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* Souls[[note]]or [=SOULs=], though this apparent acronym has no official expansion[[/note]] and the effects of lacking them play a huge role in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}''. Monsters and humans have souls, but a human soul is far stronger than a monster soul in power and the ability to linger after death whereas monster souls fade away nearly instantly after death and boss monster souls linger after death just for a brief moment. Monster have the ability to absorb human souls to gain more power and gaining seven or more human souls can make a monster almost godlike, which is what humans feared and was their motivation to go to war against the monsters according to the backstory. Part of the reason why human souls can exist after death is due to humans having "determination" which is an actual spiritual substance that allows humans to keep going against all odds. Monsters can't make determination naturally (or at least not a lot) since their bodies ''melt'' if they have too much of the stuff. Now what happens if a being has no soul? [[spoiler: Flowey is the result of someone who was once dead and brought back to life with an injection of determination. However, because Flowey lost his soul in his previous life, coming back to life without a soul rendered him unable to feel empathy no matter how hard he tried to feel and this would eventually drive him mad.]]

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* Souls[[note]]or Souls (or [=SOULs=], though this apparent acronym has as the game often calls them for no official expansion[[/note]] stated reason) and the effects of lacking them play a huge role in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}''. Monsters and humans have souls, but a human soul is far stronger than a monster soul in power and the ability to linger after death whereas monster souls fade away nearly instantly after death and boss monster souls linger after death just for a brief moment. Monster have the ability to absorb human souls to gain more power and gaining seven or more human souls can make a monster almost godlike, which is what humans feared and was their motivation to go to war against the monsters according to the backstory. Part of the reason why human souls can exist after death is due to humans having "determination" which is an actual spiritual substance that allows humans to keep going against all odds. Monsters can't make determination naturally (or at least not a lot) since their bodies ''melt'' if they have too much of the stuff. Now what happens if a being has no soul? [[spoiler: Flowey is the result of someone who was once dead and brought back to life with an injection of determination. However, because Flowey lost his soul in his previous life, coming back to life without a soul rendered him unable to feel empathy no matter how hard he tried to feel and this would eventually drive him mad.]]
23rd Feb '17 9:45:37 AM Prfnoff
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* Souls and the effects of lacking them play a huge role in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}''. Monsters and humans have souls, but a human soul is far stronger than a monster soul in power and the ability to linger after death whereas monster souls fade away nearly instantly after death and boss monster souls linger after death just for a brief moment. Monster have the ability to absorb human souls to gain more power and gaining seven or more human souls can make a monster almost godlike, which is what humans feared and was their motivation to go to war against the monsters according to the backstory. Part of the reason why human souls can exist after death is due to humans having "determination" which is an actual spiritual substance that allows humans to keep going against all odds. Monsters can't make determination naturally (or at least not a lot) since their bodies ''melt'' if they have too much of the stuff. Now what happens if a being has no soul? [[spoiler: Flowey is the result of someone who was once dead and brought back to life with an injection of determination. However, because Flowey lost his soul in his previous life, coming back to life without a soul rendered him unable to feel empathy no matter how hard he tried to feel and this would eventually drive him mad.]]

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* Souls Souls[[note]]or [=SOULs=], though this apparent acronym has no official expansion[[/note]] and the effects of lacking them play a huge role in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}''. Monsters and humans have souls, but a human soul is far stronger than a monster soul in power and the ability to linger after death whereas monster souls fade away nearly instantly after death and boss monster souls linger after death just for a brief moment. Monster have the ability to absorb human souls to gain more power and gaining seven or more human souls can make a monster almost godlike, which is what humans feared and was their motivation to go to war against the monsters according to the backstory. Part of the reason why human souls can exist after death is due to humans having "determination" which is an actual spiritual substance that allows humans to keep going against all odds. Monsters can't make determination naturally (or at least not a lot) since their bodies ''melt'' if they have too much of the stuff. Now what happens if a being has no soul? [[spoiler: Flowey is the result of someone who was once dead and brought back to life with an injection of determination. However, because Flowey lost his soul in his previous life, coming back to life without a soul rendered him unable to feel empathy no matter how hard he tried to feel and this would eventually drive him mad.]]
23rd Jan '17 7:00:59 PM MiddleEighth
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*In ''Fanfic/WithStringsAttached'', George's ring proves to have soul-bonded to him, which he finds out when someone takes it forcibly from him. He describes it as having his soul's arm ripped off, and he is left badly shaken and despairing, though his sanity is saved because he can feel the missing piece out there. Later, when faced with the prospect of going home without the ring—having his soul transferred into his original body (the four are in cloned bodies)—he panics. Varx does some tests and discovers that George's soul “kind of overlaps” the ring, and that the transfer process should send his entire soul over. Given that neither epilogue mentions anything wrong with George after he goes home, one must assume the process worked.
21st Jan '17 5:25:25 PM bt8257
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How does the mind work? Is it contained entirely in the brain, or is there something more there? Whichever it is, the "something more" is generally referred to as a soul. However, as something that is by definition intangible, there hasn't been much agreement on what it is that a soul actually ''does''. Is it essential for life, or can a person live on without it? What exactly does it give you, life, or wisdom, or will, or morality? Does it have weight? What happens if it's [[YourSoulIsMine stolen]] or [[DealWithTheDevil sold]]? Is it an {{Energy Being|s}}? [[IsItSomethingYouEat Does it taste like strawberries or chocolate]]?

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How does the mind work? Is it contained entirely in the brain, or is there something more there? more? Whichever it is, the "something more" is generally referred to as a soul. However, as something that is by definition intangible, there hasn't been much agreement on what it is that a soul actually ''does''. Is it essential for life, or can a person live on without it? What exactly does it give you, life, or wisdom, or will, or morality? Does it have weight? What happens if it's [[YourSoulIsMine stolen]] or [[DealWithTheDevil sold]]? Is it an {{Energy Being|s}}? [[IsItSomethingYouEat Does it taste like strawberries or chocolate]]?
20th Jan '17 2:59:22 PM Wyldchyld
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': All living beings have a soul except the Grimm. Souls create Aura, which can be locked, trained or manifested passively. Aura can create effects such as a DeflectorShield or KiAttacks, and fuel Semblances, a unique ability shaped by an individual's personality. Aura can also be channelled into inanimate objects, empowering weapons and armour; science has even created an Aura-using robot. Rare, secret events that can cause soul and Aura mergers that risk the loss of the original, independent selves. [[spoiler:Ozpin attempts an artificial soul merger between Amber and Pyrrha to prevent Cinder obtaining Amber's full Maiden powers. Ozpin himself underwent a soul merger when he was a child, and later soul-merges with a young farm-boy called Oscar, causing them to share thoughts and memories.]]

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': All living beings have a soul except the Grimm. Souls create Aura, which can be locked, trained or manifested passively. Aura can create effects such as a DeflectorShield or KiAttacks, and fuel Semblances, a unique ability shaped by an individual's personality. Aura can also be channelled into inanimate objects, empowering weapons and armour; science has even created an Aura-using robot. Rare, secret events that can cause soul and Aura mergers that risk the loss of the original, independent selves. [[spoiler:Ozpin attempts an artificial soul merger between Amber and Pyrrha to prevent Cinder obtaining Amber's full Maiden powers. Ozpin himself underwent a soul merger when he was a child, and later soul-merges with a young farm-boy called Oscar, causing them to share thoughts and memories.]]
20th Jan '17 2:57:52 PM Wyldchyld
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': All living beings have a soul except the Grimm. Souls create Aura, which can be locked, trained or manifested passively. Aura can create effects such as a DeflectorShield or KiAttacks, and fuel Semblances, a unique ability shaped by an individual's personality. Aura can also be channelled into inanimate objects, empowering weapons and armour; science has even created an Aura-using robot. There are also rare, secret events that can cause soul and Aura mergers that risk the loss of the original, independent selves. [[spoiler:Ozpin attempts an artificial soul merger between Amber and Pyrrha to prevent Cinder obtaining Amber's full Maiden powers. Ozpin himself underwent a soul merger when he was a child, and later soul-merges with a young farm-boy called Oscar, causing them to share thoughts and memories.]]

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': All living beings have a soul except the Grimm. Souls create Aura, which can be locked, trained or manifested passively. Aura can create effects such as a DeflectorShield or KiAttacks, and fuel Semblances, a unique ability shaped by an individual's personality. Aura can also be channelled into inanimate objects, empowering weapons and armour; science has even created an Aura-using robot. There are also rare, Rare, secret events that can cause soul and Aura mergers that risk the loss of the original, independent selves. [[spoiler:Ozpin attempts an artificial soul merger between Amber and Pyrrha to prevent Cinder obtaining Amber's full Maiden powers. Ozpin himself underwent a soul merger when he was a child, and later soul-merges with a young farm-boy called Oscar, causing them to share thoughts and memories.]]
20th Jan '17 2:56:57 PM Wyldchyld
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': All living beings have a soul except the Grimm. Souls create Aura, which can be locked, trained or manifested passively. Aura can create effects such as a DeflectorShield or KiAttacks, and fuel Semblances, a unique ability shaped by an individual's personality. Aura can also be channelled into inanimate objects, empowering weapons and armour; science has even created an Aura-using robot. There are also rare, secret events that can cause soul and Aura mergers that risk the loss of the original, independent selves. [[spoiler:Ozpin attempts an artificial soul merger between Amber and Pyrrha to prevent Cinder obtaining Amber's full Maiden powers. Ozpin himself underwent a soul merger when he was a child, and later soul-merges with a young farm-boy called Oscar, causing them to share thoughts and memories.]]
19th Jan '17 4:36:12 AM Morgenthaler
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* Creator/CharlesStross's ''Literature/TheLaundrySeries'' is couched in mathematical and scientific language, based as it is off the CthulhuMythos. The word "soul" refers to the electrical impulses that make up a human being's brain: thinking, feeling, calculating; some of that information remains as "echoes" when a person dies, but there are ways--and [[EldritchAbomination creatures]]--capable of erasing those echoes entirely. Certain beings feed by increasing entropy, and erasing information generates a lot of it.

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* Creator/CharlesStross's ''Literature/TheLaundrySeries'' is couched in mathematical and scientific language, based as it is off the CthulhuMythos.Franchise/CthulhuMythos. The word "soul" refers to the electrical impulses that make up a human being's brain: thinking, feeling, calculating; some of that information remains as "echoes" when a person dies, but there are ways--and [[EldritchAbomination creatures]]--capable of erasing those echoes entirely. Certain beings feed by increasing entropy, and erasing information generates a lot of it.
12th Nov '16 8:49:50 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/TalionRevenant'': Souls can be drawn out of the body by a Talion Justice. This kills the person, but some souls retain their vitality, although not memories, and are called ''rhasas''. Talion Justices must be cleansed of these souls in a special ritual. A ''rhasa'' soul can be placed into a corpse and this reanimates it, along with leaving the undead being far stronger, quicker and easier to train. Souls appear as colored lights, ''rhasas'' being white.
9th Nov '16 3:51:18 PM Sar-Chasm
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* Whether a soul can ''eat'' another one (common with various [[SoulEating soul eating]] demons and villains). Usually this is done to gain more LifeEnergy or to gain a (very evil) powerup.

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* Whether a soul can ''eat'' another one (common with various [[SoulEating soul eating]] demons and villains). Usually Usually, this is done to gain more LifeEnergy or to gain a (very evil) powerup.



* What happens to the soul of characters who are resurrected? Frequently, it CameBackWrong.

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* What happens to the soul souls of characters who are resurrected? Frequently, it CameBackWrong.



* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' has a lot of this; die in the real world, your spirit goes to Soul Society, or you become a Hollow. Get killed after you go to Soul Society or the Hollow world, you're reincarnated back in the real world. Screw up ''way'' too badly in life, and you leave the loop - you go to Hell. Acorrding to one of {{The Movie}}s, if you die in Hell, you regenerate in Hell; no escape. The manga adds another element to the system in "The Lost Agent Arc" - [[{{Pantheism}} souls also reside in "matter" as a whole, not just living beings]], and is the basis behind Fullbring.

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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' has a lot of this; die in the real world, your spirit goes to Soul Society, or you become a Hollow. Get killed after you go to Soul Society or the Hollow world, you're reincarnated back in the real world. Screw up ''way'' too badly in life, and you leave the loop - you go to Hell. Acorrding According to one of {{The Movie}}s, if you die in Hell, you regenerate in Hell; no escape. The manga adds another element to the system in "The Lost Agent Arc" - [[{{Pantheism}} souls also reside in "matter" as a whole, not just living beings]], and is the basis behind Fullbring.



** It's also explained that souls are absolutely indestructible, but can be "unravelled" into a broken state that takes millennia to come back together into a conscious entity.

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** It's also explained that souls are absolutely indestructible, but can be "unravelled" "unraveled" into a broken state that takes millennia to come back together into a conscious entity.



* [[Creator/IDWPublishing IDW's]] ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye goes into new details about just how Cybertronians function and where they come from. A Transformer's soul is their "Spark", a physical object within their chest (and separate from their brain), and destroying it means death (an afterlife called the Afterspark is posited but unproven). New Cybertronians are "born" when Vector Sigma, a supercomputer at the core of their planet, releases a pulse that ignites Sparks on the surface. Sparks can also be manufactured artificially from the Matrix, a MacGuffin with a connection to Vector Sigma. These Sparks are implanted in manufactured bodies, known as being "Constructed Cold", and there is some FantasticRacism against them from bots who were "Forged" (born naturally, and implied to grow their own bodies). Killing a Transformer usually involves destroying either their Spark or their Brain Module, but because the personality comes from the Spark, that's the most sure way to guarantee death.

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* [[Creator/IDWPublishing IDW's]] ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye goes into new details about just how Cybertronians function and where they come from. A Transformer's soul is their "Spark", a physical object within their chest (and separate from their brain), and destroying it means death (an afterlife called the Afterspark is posited but unproven). New Cybertronians are "born" when Vector Sigma, a supercomputer at the core of their planet, releases a pulse that ignites Sparks on the surface. Sparks can also be manufactured artificially from the Matrix, a MacGuffin with a connection to Vector Sigma. These Sparks are implanted in manufactured bodies, known as being "Constructed Cold", and there is some FantasticRacism against them from bots who were "Forged" (born naturally, and implied to grow their own bodies). Killing a Transformer usually involves destroying either their Spark or their Brain Module, but because the personality comes from the Spark, that's the most sure surest way to guarantee death.



* ''FanFic/TheMadScientistWars'' explores this a bit. Souls are basically a imprint or image of a person that is tied to the body, and constantly updates. Upon death, they go to either heaven or hell depending on their deeds. The mind of a person is something else entirely, and can be copied, moved or altered, but the soul will still be the same. Intelligent creations that were not physically born need to pass a test to see if they should exist and have had existence (i.e. If they fail it, they will have never existed at all).

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* ''FanFic/TheMadScientistWars'' explores this a bit. Souls are basically a an imprint or image of a person that is tied to the body, and constantly updates. Upon death, they go to either heaven or hell depending on their deeds. The mind of a person is something else entirely, entirely and can be copied, moved or altered, but the soul will still be the same. Intelligent creations that were not physically born need to pass a test to see if they should exist and have had existence (i.e. If they fail it, they will have never existed at all).



* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Nine}}'', souls essentially act as a life source, and their forcible removal can be...nasty. It would also appear that [[spoiler:they can be split into parts, each functioning as a separate entity, with their own personality (which is speculated to be) based on a particular part/trait of the original soul-owner's personality]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Nine}}'', souls essentially act as a life source, and their forcible removal can be...nasty. It would also appear that [[spoiler:they can be split into parts, each functioning as a separate entity, with their own personality (which is speculated to be) based on a particular part/trait of the original soul-owner's soul owner's personality]].



*** One of the creepier episodes of ''Series/{{Angel}}'' involves [[http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Ryan_Anderson Ryan Anderson]], [[spoiler:an otherwise-normal human child who is explicitly stated to be soulless. He is so monstrous that a age-old demon was DrivenToSuicide by accidentally possessing him.]]

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*** One of the creepier episodes of ''Series/{{Angel}}'' involves [[http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Ryan_Anderson Ryan Anderson]], [[spoiler:an otherwise-normal human child who is explicitly stated to be soulless. He is so monstrous that a an age-old demon was DrivenToSuicide by accidentally possessing him.]]



** A soul is attached to a body, even after death, and can only be removed by a reaper who usually does so right before their death to spare them the pain. A person without a soul will continue to act as they are programmed to, typically walking right in to whatever death fate had in store for them.

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** A soul is attached to a body, even after death, and can only be removed by a reaper who usually does so right before their death to spare them the pain. A person without a soul will continue to act as they are programmed to, typically walking right in to into whatever death fate had in store for them.



* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''. When the android Data has to stand in court to prove himself a sentient being (with the right to refuse to be dismantled by a less then entirely competent scientist) the judge's final verdict deals with something to this effect.

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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''. When the android Data has to stand in court to prove himself a sentient being (with the right to refuse to be dismantled by a less then entirely than competent scientist) the judge's final verdict deals with something to this effect.



** Jadzia even (re)introduced herself to some old friends of a previous host with the phrase "Don't mistake a new face with a new soul…" clouding the issue a bit. The symbiont which carries the memories to new hosts might be counted as having it's own soul, mingled with but distinct from the soul of the individual host.

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** Jadzia even (re)introduced herself to some old friends of a previous host with the phrase "Don't mistake a new face with a new soul…" clouding the issue a bit. The symbiont which carries the memories to new hosts might be counted as having it's its own soul, mingled with but distinct from the soul of the individual host.



** ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' souls can also be eaten (by Famine,) turned into demons via torture in Hell and used as an incredibly potent power source by various beings. Interestingly, while humans, monsters and demons all have souls or ''are'' souls, angels apparently don't have them-although apparently, they're like batteries, and touching one can recharge a wounded or winded angel back to full strength.

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** ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' souls can also be eaten (by Famine,) turned into demons via torture in Hell and used as an incredibly potent power source by various beings. Interestingly, while humans, monsters monsters, and demons all have souls or ''are'' souls, angels apparently don't have them-although them, although apparently, they're like batteries, and touching one can recharge a wounded or winded angel back to full strength.



* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' has Jovani, who lost his soul (and his mobility) to greed. To restore it, you must collect sixty Poe Souls. ''Sixty. Poe. Souls.'' The exchange rate is... interesting, to say the least. Also, Poe Souls are dark purple pseudo-spheres.
** It wasn't the ''Poe's'' souls that were being collected, as the item name would have you believe; Jovani's soul was split into sixty pieces and each of the Poes carried one piece-- the idea was that you were reclaiming Jovani's soul from the Poes to restore him.

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* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' has Jovani, who lost his soul (and his mobility) to greed. To restore it, you must collect sixty Poe Souls. ''Sixty. Poe. Souls.'' The exchange rate is... interesting, to say the least. Also, Poe Souls are dark purple pseudo-spheres.
** It wasn't the ''Poe's'' souls that were being collected, as the item name would have you believe; Jovani's soul was split into
sixty pieces and each of the Poes carried one piece-- the idea was that you were reclaiming Jovani's his soul from the Poes to restore him.scattered around the land.



* Roleplay/ShadowhunterPeril'' focuses on souls quite a bit. There exists a creature called an Ushubaen, which boils down to a human imbibed with demonic energy. Normally this would kill the human, but if the human is also imbibed with enough souls to counteract the corrosive demonic energy, then they become a perfect mix of the two (in contrast to faeries, which are half angel half demon, but aren't perfect mixtures). Unfortunately, because they have multiple souls in them, and demonic energy taints the mind as well as bestowing powers, all Ushubaen are insane, genocidal monsters who want to destroy everything they can. They can even kill [[BigGood angels]].
** All demons don't have souls, instead they have PureEnergy. This grants them life, but not a place in the afterlife. Umbra's desire for a soul is pretty tear jerking. No matter how hard he fights against his own kind and tries to protect innocent humans from the wrath of other demons, if his physical body is destroyed he will be sent straight to Hell and have to force himself back to the surface to fight for the humans all over again. This later gets rectified, as he gains a soul and turns into an angel.
* In ''Literature/ChronoHustle'' #9, [[spoiler:the original]] Jack makes a deal with Merlin in the Middle Ages, agreeing to give him a Demi-God's soul in exchange for some information. He tell him it'll take some time to get the information, and to meet him in the year 3007, where the exchange will take place. So in the year 3007, [[spoiler: Merlin takes Agent Jack's soul in exchange for that information, when he and Melinda show up.]] It's yet to be revealed what exactly a soul is, or what losing it even means as [[spoiler: Agent Jack]] doesn't seem to be any different afterwards.

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* Roleplay/ShadowhunterPeril'' focuses on souls quite a bit. There exists a creature called an Ushubaen, which boils down to a human imbibed with demonic energy. Normally this would kill the human, but if the human is also imbibed with enough souls to counteract the corrosive demonic energy, then they become a perfect mix of the two (in contrast to faeries, which are half angel half demon, demon but aren't perfect mixtures). Unfortunately, because they have multiple souls in them, and demonic energy taints the mind as well as bestowing powers, all Ushubaen are insane, genocidal monsters who want to destroy everything they can. They can even kill [[BigGood angels]].
** All demons don't have souls, instead they have PureEnergy. This grants them life, but not a place in the afterlife. Umbra's desire for a soul is pretty tear jerking.tear-jerking. No matter how hard he fights against his own kind and tries to protect innocent humans from the wrath of other demons, if his physical body is destroyed he will be sent straight to Hell and have to force himself back to the surface to fight for the humans all over again. This later gets rectified, as he gains a soul and turns into an angel.
* In ''Literature/ChronoHustle'' #9, [[spoiler:the original]] Jack makes a deal with Merlin in the Middle Ages, agreeing to give him a Demi-God's soul in exchange for some information. He tell tells him it'll take some time to get the information, information and to meet him in the year 3007, where the exchange will take place. So in the year 3007, [[spoiler: Merlin takes Agent Jack's soul in exchange for that information, information when he and Melinda show up.]] It's yet to be revealed what exactly a soul is, or what losing it even means as [[spoiler: Agent Jack]] doesn't seem to be any different afterwards.afterward.



-->'''Mr Krabs:''' Aye, as a matter of fact, they do. And he puts them where you can never get them...in his soul bag. (drops the pickle into a bag that has the words "krusty krab" crossed out and the word "soul" written above it. Mr Krabs laughs evily as Squidward appears behind Spongebob in a pirate suit)

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-->'''Mr Krabs:''' Aye, as a matter of fact, they do. And he puts them where you can never get them...in his soul bag. (drops the pickle into a bag that has the words "krusty krab" crossed out and the word "soul" written above it. Mr Krabs laughs evily evilly as Squidward appears behind Spongebob in a pirate suit)
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