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27th Sep '16 8:32:53 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* Creator/JRRTolkien's ''Literature/TheHobbit'' and ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' is the origin of the trope. Interestingly, in an attempt to make them sound fundamentally different from other races, Tolkien's Dwarvish language is constructed along the lines of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages Semitic languages]]; none of them ever speak with a Scottish or Welsh accent at all. When you combine the quasi-Semitic language with their lost homeland and usual status as a minority in lands ruled by other races, many writers have compared them to [[FantasyCounterpartCulture analogues to the Jews]] (an allusion that also comes up in the Literature/{{Discworld}} series). Tolkien himself alluded to the idea in response to allegations that it was a negative depiction; he was particularly sympathetic [[WorldWarTwo given the time he was alive]]. His dwarves are different from dwarfs of folklore and fairy tales primarily in that [[ProudWarriorRace a lot of them are warriors]] in addition to being miners and craftsmen. They of course, pay tribute to their roots, being quite Nordic in culture (Rohirrim are primarily Saxon-land-Vikings, an Gondor has a Nordic vibe too), and having names stolen from the ''Literature/PoeticEdda''. A thing that Tolkien long regretted as it forced him to come up with an explanation why a Real-world language such as Old Norse would exist in a Fantasy world.
** He at least handwaved the in-universe dichotomy between their quasi-Semitic language and their decidedly non-Semitic names in one of the appendices (or in ''The Silmarillion''): the dwarven names are actually pseudonyms dwarves use when in contact with any non-dwarves, never mentioning their true names. This is due to their secretive nature especially when names and language are concerned: Khuzdul (the dwarven tongue) is ''only'' spoken in purely dwarven communities and ''never'' revealed to an outsider -- with all others, they speak the Common Tongue and, depending on region, other dominant regional human languages. The sole exception is in the dwarven BattleCry, "''Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!''" ("Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!") In-universe, there are only two or three non-dwarves in history who learned the language. In the case of the names, it apparently went even further, since even Balin's tomb in Moria (which can safely be assumed as having been a dwarf-only community) bears an inscription in Khuzdul, which gives his name as Balin -- even on a tombstone among his own people, his true name is not recorded.
** [[Literature/TheSilmarillion Tolkien's background notes]] reveal the reason Dwarves are so different from the other races: that they were made by Aulë, one of the [[PowersThatBe Valar]] -- not [[{{God}} Eru]] [[TheOmnipotent Ilúvatar]] himself, although after the fact Eru gave them the spark of free will that Aulë couldn't provide. Since he knew that [[TheDevil Morgoth]] was loose in the world, Aulë designed the Dwarves to be able to resist suffering and evil -- a fact that came in handy millennia later, when Sauron offered them [[DontTouchItYouIdiot seven golden Rings of Power]] -- which they took, but unlike the Nine Rings given to Men (which corrupted them, gave them a painful immortality, and bound them to Sauron), the Seven Rings were only capable of making the already-greedy Dwarf-Lords even greedier. While this indirectly led to the ruin of all of the Dwarf settlements/mines, the Dwarves still managed to recover quite well.
** While Gimli is largely responsible for the common love of axes, in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' Thorin only uses a sword while other dwarves use a variety of weapons including bows.

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* Creator/JRRTolkien's ''Literature/TheHobbit'' and ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' is arguably the origin of fantasy dwarves, his version zig-zags the trope. Interestingly, in an attempt to make them sound fundamentally different from other races, trope.
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Tolkien's Dwarvish language is constructed along the lines of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages Semitic languages]]; none of them ever speak with a Scottish or Welsh accent at all. When you combine the quasi-Semitic language with their lost homeland and usual status as a minority in lands ruled by other races, many writers have compared them to [[FantasyCounterpartCulture analogues to the Jews]] (an allusion that also comes up in the Literature/{{Discworld}} series). Tolkien himself alluded to the idea in response to allegations that it was a negative depiction; he was particularly sympathetic [[WorldWarTwo given the time he was alive]]. His dwarves are different from dwarfs of folklore and fairy tales primarily in that [[ProudWarriorRace a lot of them are warriors]] in addition to being miners and craftsmen. They of course, pay tribute to their roots, being quite Nordic in culture (Rohirrim are primarily Saxon-land-Vikings, an Gondor has a Nordic vibe too), and having names stolen from the ''Literature/PoeticEdda''. A thing that Tolkien long regretted as it forced him to come up with an explanation why a Real-world language such as Old Norse would exist in a Fantasy world.
** He at least handwaved Like the in-universe dichotomy between their quasi-Semitic language and their decidedly non-Semitic names in one of the appendices (or in ''The Silmarillion''): the dwarven names are actually pseudonyms dwarves use when in contact with any non-dwarves, never mentioning their true names. This is due to their secretive nature especially when names and language are concerned: Khuzdul (the dwarven tongue) is ''only'' spoken in purely dwarven communities and ''never'' revealed to an outsider -- with all others, they speak the Common Tongue and, depending on region, other dominant regional human languages. The sole exception is in the dwarven BattleCry, "''Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!''" ("Axes of the Dwarves! The stereotype, Dwarves are upon you!") In-universe, there are only two or three non-dwarves in history who learned martial creatures with a vaguely Nordic culture and names stolen from the language. In the case of the names, it apparently went even further, since even Balin's tomb in Moria (which can safely be assumed as having been a dwarf-only community) bears an inscription in Khuzdul, which gives his name as Balin -- even on a tombstone among his own people, his true name is not recorded.''Literature/PoeticEdda''.
** [[Literature/TheSilmarillion Tolkien's background notes]] reveal In spite of their Norse roots, when you combine the reason Dwarves are so different from the quasi-Semitic language with their lost homeland and usual status as a minority in lands ruled by other races: races, many writers have compared them to [[FantasyCounterpartCulture analogues to the Jews]].
** ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' reveals
that they were made dwarves are a somewhat unnatural race, having been created by Aulë, one of the [[PowersThatBe Valar]] -- not [[{{God}} Eru]] [[TheOmnipotent Ilúvatar]] himself, although after who made the fact Eru gave them the spark of free will that Aulë couldn't provide. Since he knew that [[TheDevil Morgoth]] was loose in the world, Aulë designed the Dwarves to be able to resist suffering other "good" races like elves, humans and evil -- a fact that came in handy millennia later, when Sauron offered them [[DontTouchItYouIdiot seven golden Rings of Power]] -- which they took, but unlike the Nine Rings given to Men (which corrupted them, gave them a painful immortality, and bound them to Sauron), the Seven Rings were only capable of making the already-greedy Dwarf-Lords even greedier. While this indirectly led to the ruin of all of the Dwarf settlements/mines, the Dwarves still managed to recover quite well.
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** While Although Gimli is largely responsible for the common love of axes, in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' Thorin only uses a sword while and many other dwarves use axes, others use a variety of weapons weapons, including swords and bows.



** The Dufflepuds encountered in the ''The Voyage of the Dawn Treader'' were once very stupid dwarfs before being punished by being transformed into monopods (hence the name).
27th Sep '16 8:18:06 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* The film version of ''Film/TheHobbit'' is taking pains to avert this trope. The dwarves are all short, hairy, and crusty, but they have great variety in their faces, beards, clothing, body types, personalities and weaponry. Particularly notable are Thorin, Fíli, and Kíli, who all benefit from varying degrees of AdaptationalAttractiveness, with Kíli's PermaStubble practically making him a {{Bishonen}} by dwarf standards. They also have accents that range throughout Britain, from Scotland to Ireland and Wales.
** Glóin is the most stereotypical of the dwarves, being a stout, truculent, gold-loving guy with an axe, a Scottish accent, and an impressive beard... all of which is very deliberate, since he's the father of Gimli, who is arguably the modern day codifier of the trope.

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* The film version of ''Film/TheHobbit'' is taking pains to avert this trope. The dwarves are all short, hairy, and crusty, but they have great variety in their faces, beards, clothing, body types, personalities and weaponry. Particularly notable are Thorin, Fíli, and Kíli, who all benefit from varying degrees of AdaptationalAttractiveness, with Kíli's PermaStubble practically making him a {{Bishonen}} by dwarf standards. They also have accents that range throughout Britain, from Scotland to Ireland and Wales.
** Glóin is
Wales. Glóin, the most stereotypical of the dwarves, being a stout, truculent, gold-loving guy with an axe, a Scottish accent, and an impressive beard... all of which is very deliberate, since he's the father of Gimli, who is arguably the modern day codifier of the trope.
16th Sep '16 2:37:29 PM FurryKef
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Ever since Tolkien did his thing with some modified [[Myth/NorseMythology Norse myths]], the dwarves have been rolling off the assembly line as the same basic model. Tolkien's importance to this can be gauged by the fact that the plural form ''dwarves'', which he used to distinguish his dwarves from other dwarfs, [[note]]It was originally a recurring mistake during the writing of ''Literature/TheHobbit'' (or rather "a private piece of bad grammar" that sneaked into the text), but it quickly became an AscendedGlitch.[[/note]] is now regarded by many as the standard plural (at least regarding fantasy -- humans with dwarfism are still called "dwarfs," although many today prefer the term "little people"). Fantasy writers who use "dwarfs", like Creator/TerryPratchett, are now the unusual ones. [[note]]There is a small group that contents that the proper plural should be "dwarrows," as "dwarrow" was the word from which "dwarf" originated. Linguists are quick to point out that that has ''never'' been a word used in modern English and its use is considered, at best, ''very'' non-standard.[[/note]] (Many "Tolkienesque" dwarves, however, are more like the ThemeParkVersion.) Since TheFilmOfTheBook(s), they now even all talk the same. A lot of dwarves are Scottish (or northern, rural, English, whose accents can sound indistinguishable from Scottish accents to most people), Irish, or Russian. An [[PlanetOfHats entire race]] of miners and [[TheBlacksmith blacksmiths]], with names like [[LukeNounverber Dwarfaxe Dwarfbeard and Grimli Stonesack]], who are [[HairTriggertemper overly sensitive about any perceived slight]], always [[ViolentGlaswegian spoiling for a fight]], unable to speak two sentences in a row without calling someone "lad" or "lass," and possessed of [[GoldFever a love of gold and jewels]] that drives them to live in {{Underground Cit|y}}ies where they dig deep and greedily ([[DugTooDeep often with catastrophic results]]). Expect [[FastballSpecial dwarf-tossing]] jokes.

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Ever since Tolkien did his thing with some modified [[Myth/NorseMythology Norse myths]], the dwarves have been rolling off the assembly line as the same basic model. Tolkien's importance to this can be gauged by the fact that the plural form ''dwarves'', which he used to distinguish his dwarves from other dwarfs, [[note]]It was originally a recurring mistake during the writing of ''Literature/TheHobbit'' (or rather "a private piece of bad grammar" that sneaked into the text), but it quickly became an AscendedGlitch.[[/note]] is now regarded by many as the standard plural (at least regarding fantasy -- humans with dwarfism are still called "dwarfs," although many today prefer the term "little people"). Fantasy writers who use "dwarfs", like Creator/TerryPratchett, are now the unusual ones. [[note]]There is a small group that contents contends that the proper plural should be "dwarrows," as "dwarrow" was the word from which "dwarf" originated. Linguists are quick to point out that that has ''never'' been a word used in modern English and its use is considered, at best, ''very'' non-standard.[[/note]] (Many "Tolkienesque" dwarves, however, are more like the ThemeParkVersion.) Since TheFilmOfTheBook(s), they now even all talk the same. A lot of dwarves are Scottish (or northern, rural, English, whose accents can sound indistinguishable from Scottish accents to most people), Irish, or Russian. An [[PlanetOfHats entire race]] of miners and [[TheBlacksmith blacksmiths]], with names like [[LukeNounverber Dwarfaxe Dwarfbeard and Grimli Stonesack]], who are [[HairTriggertemper overly sensitive about any perceived slight]], always [[ViolentGlaswegian spoiling for a fight]], unable to speak two sentences in a row without calling someone "lad" or "lass," and possessed of [[GoldFever a love of gold and jewels]] that drives them to live in {{Underground Cit|y}}ies where they dig deep and greedily ([[DugTooDeep often with catastrophic results]]). Expect [[FastballSpecial dwarf-tossing]] jokes.
10th Sep '16 3:47:37 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''ComicBook/BlackMoonChronicles'': Stout, short and bearded? Check. Live inside mountains (and active volcanoes)? Check. Master engineers, miners and smiths? Check. Greedy? Check. Love alcohol? Check. Hate orcs? Check. Fight equipped with massive war machines, heavy armor, axes and hammers? Check, check and check.
2nd Sep '16 6:52:31 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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See also FiveRaces. Not to be confused with LittlePeopleAreSurreal or DepravedDwarf -- once again, dwar'''''ve'''''s are fantasy creatures; dwar'''''f'''''s are short humans, and nowadays the polite term for the latter is "little people."

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See also FiveRaces. Not to be confused with LittlePeopleAreSurreal or DepravedDwarf -- once again, dwar'''''ve'''''s are fantasy creatures; dwar'''''f'''''s are short humans, and nowadays the polite term for the latter is "little people."
" And whatever you do, ''don't'' mention the {{elves|VersusDwarves}}.
29th Aug '16 4:39:19 AM CactusFace
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* The dwarves in 7DwarvesMenAloneInTheWood are simply seven men who had traumatizing experiences with women, so they decide to live in the woods alone. They are all clean shaved and only wear a beard when working in the mine. They are also mostly relatively averagely sized, with the exeption of Bubi, who is relatively small, and Ralfie who is two heads taller and two times wider than anyone else in the films (and also is a GentleGiant). A running gag is that a character remarks that they thought that dwarves where supposed to be small, to which one of them responds that this is just an old prejudice.

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* The dwarves in 7DwarvesMenAloneInTheWood [[SevenDwarvesMenAloneInTheWood 7 Dwarves - Men Alone in the Woods]] are simply seven men who had traumatizing experiences with women, so they decide to live in the woods alone. They are all clean shaved and only wear a beard when working in the mine. They are also mostly relatively averagely sized, average in size, with the exeption of Bubi, who is relatively small, and Ralfie who is two heads taller and two times wider than anyone else in the films (and also is a GentleGiant). A running gag is that a character remarks that they thought that dwarves where supposed to be small, to which one of them responds that this is just an old prejudice.
29th Aug '16 4:37:19 AM CactusFace
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* The dwarves in 7DwarvesMenAloneInTheWood are simply seven men who had traumatizing experiences with women, so they decide to live in the woods alone. They are all clean shaved and only wear a beard when working in the mine. They are also mostly relatively averagely sized, with the exeption of Bubi, who is relatively small, and Ralfie who is two heads taller and two times wider than anyone else in the films (and also is a GentleGiant). A running gag is that a character remarks that they thought that dwarves where supposed to be small, to which one of them responds that this is just an old prejudice.
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9th Aug '16 11:27:57 PM PaulA
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* In the ''{{Dragaera}}'' novels written by Steven Brust, Easterners, who are identical to real-world humans, are sometimes called "dwarfs" by the tall, elf-like Dragaerans. Easterner society is based on medieval Eastern Europe rather than anything resembling Celtic or Nordic. The Serioli come a bit closer, living underground and forging powerful magical weapons, but are otherwise completely different.

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* In the ''{{Dragaera}}'' ''Literature/{{Dragaera}}'' novels written by Steven Brust, Easterners, who are identical to real-world humans, are sometimes called "dwarfs" by the tall, elf-like Dragaerans. Easterner society is based on medieval Eastern Europe rather than anything resembling Celtic or Nordic. The Serioli come a bit closer, living underground and forging powerful magical weapons, but are otherwise completely different.
6th Aug '16 9:46:04 AM MagnusForce
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* Dwarves in ''Literature/TheSpiderwickChronicles'' resemble much like most depictions, but draw more from their depictions in European fairy lore. They are entirely subterranean (they can't stand bright light), reproduce by carving others of their kind from stone, and are miners and craftsmen. However, their centuries-long lifespans means they greatly pity the shorter-lived beings and try to improve on nature with mechanical replicas or preserving living beings in glass coffins for immortal slumber. They serve as the antagonists of the 4th book in the original series, under Mulgarath's orders.
30th Jul '16 12:59:23 PM nombretomado
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* DavidWeber's [[TheWarGods Bahzell]] trilogy has dwarves. Heavy emphasis on mining and living underground, technology better than anyone else's, and an absurd emphasis on family and clan that no other race can even follow.

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* DavidWeber's [[TheWarGods Creator/DavidWeber's [[Literature/TheWarGods Bahzell]] trilogy has dwarves. Heavy emphasis on mining and living underground, technology better than anyone else's, and an absurd emphasis on family and clan that no other race can even follow.
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