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27th May '16 2:28:25 PM timotaka
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* On ''Film/{{Shooter}}'', the conspiracy's slew of clues to set-up Swagger as the killer is this, and it ''does'' drives the investigating agencies to believe that Swagger did it. The reason why Memphis doesn't believes it's Swagger at first is because 1) Swagger is a top-notch sniper capable of impossible shots, [[IfIWantedYouDead and there is no way he wouldn't have hit the President (the assumed target) in the conditions at the time]], 2) the evidence arrived to the government offices barely minutes after the shooting (''while the crime scene was still closed'' and the pursuit for Swagger was still starting), making him suspicious of the absurd efficiency and speed of its delivery and 3) not only did the cop that allegedly discovered Swagger provided a story that sounded a bit ridiculous to those with knowledge of sniper tactics[[note]]the cop said that he saw the barrel of Swagger's sniper rifle sticking out from a window, but sniper protocol is to camp in a position to avoid precisely this[[/note]], [[RevealingCoverup but the cop was shot dead in an alleged mugging just hours after giving his statement, which sounds even more suspicious]].

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* On ''Film/{{Shooter}}'', the conspiracy's slew of clues to set-up Swagger as the killer is this, and it ''does'' drives drive the investigating agencies to believe that Swagger did it. The reason why Memphis doesn't believes it's Swagger at first is because 1) Swagger is a top-notch sniper capable of impossible shots, [[IfIWantedYouDead and there is no way he wouldn't have hit the President (the assumed target) in the conditions at the time]], 2) the evidence arrived to the government offices barely minutes after the shooting (''while the crime scene was still closed'' and the pursuit for Swagger was still starting), making him suspicious of the absurd efficiency and speed of its delivery and 3) not only did the cop that allegedly discovered Swagger provided a story that sounded a bit ridiculous to those with knowledge of sniper tactics[[note]]the cop said that he saw the barrel of Swagger's sniper rifle sticking out from a window, but sniper protocol is to camp in a position to avoid precisely this[[/note]], [[RevealingCoverup but the cop was shot dead in an alleged mugging just hours after giving his statement, which sounds even more suspicious]].
25th May '16 11:53:11 AM Luc
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A common tactic for fictional criminals (especially murderers) is to plant false clues at the scene of their crime: either to deliberately frame someone else or merely to throw suspicion away from themselves. Sometimes, however, they take things too far and the sheer amount of clues they plant has the opposite effect. No detective will believe that any criminal could be so careless as to leave that much incriminating evidence behind. He may also be suspicious because his investigation seems to be turning up all this evidence [[TooGoodToBeTrue far more quickly and easily than is usual for this kind of case]]. Alternately, the ''quantity'' of evidence isn't the problem; the problem is the plausibility of the ''existence'' of the evidence, or the ability of the investigator to ''find'' the purported evidence (the latter usually leads to either a DetectiveMole or a TheBadGuysAreCops situation).

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A common tactic for fictional criminals (especially murderers) is to plant false clues at the scene of their crime: either to deliberately frame someone else or merely to throw suspicion away from themselves. Sometimes, however, they take things too far and the sheer amount of clues they plant has the opposite effect. No detective will believe that any criminal could be so careless as to leave that much incriminating evidence behind. He may also be suspicious because his investigation seems to be turning up all this evidence [[TooGoodToBeTrue far more quickly and easily than is usual for this kind of case]]. Alternately, the ''quantity'' of evidence isn't the problem; the problem is the plausibility of the ''existence'' of the evidence, or the ability of the investigator to ''find'' the purported evidence (the latter usually leads to either a DetectiveMole or a TheBadGuysAreCops situation).
situation, although that can be avoided in the case of evidence that shows up ''after'' a thorough search in a place already searched).


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* More than one ''Series/PerryMason'' case hinged upon Perry finding the clinching piece of evidence against his client (or pointing to a RedHerring) ''after'' a thorough search had been conducted by Lt. Tragg.
20th May '16 8:00:16 AM case
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* This trope is name-dropped repeatedly on various ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' reviews, although in the context of the video it is used to describe the film-makers' ham-fisted attempts at driving the audience into assuming a specific mindset, e.g. using an over-abundance of typically boyish toys and/or furnishings to establish that a room belongs to a boy.

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* This trope is name-dropped repeatedly on various ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' reviews, although in the context of the video it is used to describe the film-makers' ham-fisted attempts at driving the audience into assuming a specific mindset, e.g. using an over-abundance of typically boyish toys and/or furnishings to establish that a room belongs to a boy. As with other uses of the trope, the film-makers plant too much evidence, making the set-up less convincing.
23rd Apr '16 12:02:05 PM marcoasalazarm
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* On the ''Fanfic/CoreLine'' short story ''Fanfic/CorelineATaleOfTwoMaris'', this is the particular issue that occurs with a murder investigation on Indianapolis, the (apparent) work of a version of Mari Illustrious Makinami (with the powers of ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, who has been trained ''by'' Captain America, and with extensive knowledge of SupernaturalMartialArts) that has gone rogue. The police suspect that it is Mari because all of the murders have been done with moves which are unique to her, while the members of The Champions (a MegaCorp superhero team) that have taken up the assignment to investigate believe that it's ''not'' her because they assume that someone who has been trained as extensively in covert operations as Mari has would have access to other methods of assassination that would ''not'' lead back to her, and thus she's being set up. [[spoiler:The Champions end up being right -- the one doing the set-up being an evil version of Mari with the powers of the ComicBook/{{Taskmaster}}, who can easily copy anything the other Mari does, ''especially'' martial arts moves.]]

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* On the ''Fanfic/CoreLine'' short story ''Fanfic/CorelineATaleOfTwoMaris'', this is the particular issue that occurs with a murder investigation on Indianapolis, the (apparent) work [[AlternateSelf of a version of of]] Mari Illustrious Makinami (with the powers of ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, who has been trained ''by'' Captain America, and with extensive knowledge of SupernaturalMartialArts) that has gone rogue. The police suspect that it is Mari because all of the murders have been done with moves which are unique to her, while the members of The Champions (a MegaCorp superhero CorporateSponsoredSuperhero team) that have taken up the assignment to investigate believe that it's ''not'' her because they assume that someone who has been trained as extensively in covert operations as Mari has would have access to other methods of assassination that would ''not'' lead back to her, and thus she's being set up. [[spoiler:The Champions end up being right -- the one doing the set-up being an evil version of Mari with the powers of the ComicBook/{{Taskmaster}}, who can easily copy anything the other Mari does, ''especially'' martial arts moves.]]
23rd Apr '16 11:59:14 AM marcoasalazarm
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* On the ''Fanfic/CoreLine'' short story ''Fanfic/CorelineATaleOfTwoMaris'', this is the particular issue that occurs with a murder investigation on Indianapolis, the (apparent) work of a version of Mari Illustrious Makinami (with the powers of ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, who has been trained ''by'' Captain America, and with extensive training in SupernaturalMartialArts) that has gone rogue. The police suspect that it is Mari because all of the murders have been done with moves which are unique to her, while the members of The Champions (a MegaCorp superhero team) that have taken up the assignment to investigate believe that it's ''not'' her because they assume that someone who has been trained as extensively in covert operations as Mari has would have access to other methods of assassination that would ''not'' lead back to her, and thus she's being set up. [[spoiler:The Champions end up being right -- the one doing the set-up being an evil version of Mari with the powers of the ComicBook/{{Taskmaster}}, who can easily copy anything the other Mari does, ''especially'' martial arts moves.]]

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* On the ''Fanfic/CoreLine'' short story ''Fanfic/CorelineATaleOfTwoMaris'', this is the particular issue that occurs with a murder investigation on Indianapolis, the (apparent) work of a version of Mari Illustrious Makinami (with the powers of ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, who has been trained ''by'' Captain America, and with extensive training in knowledge of SupernaturalMartialArts) that has gone rogue. The police suspect that it is Mari because all of the murders have been done with moves which are unique to her, while the members of The Champions (a MegaCorp superhero team) that have taken up the assignment to investigate believe that it's ''not'' her because they assume that someone who has been trained as extensively in covert operations as Mari has would have access to other methods of assassination that would ''not'' lead back to her, and thus she's being set up. [[spoiler:The Champions end up being right -- the one doing the set-up being an evil version of Mari with the powers of the ComicBook/{{Taskmaster}}, who can easily copy anything the other Mari does, ''especially'' martial arts moves.]]
16th Apr '16 6:51:23 PM foxley
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* ''Series/FatherBrown'': During TheSummation in "The Brewer's Daughter", Father Brown points out that the sheer amount evidence uncovered was unlikely unless the murderer was attempting a frame-up. [[spoiler:The killer was attempting to invoke this trope by framing herself, and relying on Father Brown to then uncover the evidence she had left implicating a second suspect.]]
9th Apr '16 5:00:25 AM Luc
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A common tactic for fictional criminals (especially murderers) is to plant false clues at the scene of their crime: either to deliberately frame someone else or merely to throw suspicion away from themselves. Sometimes, however, they take things too far and the sheer amount of clues they plant has the opposite effect. No detective will believe that any criminal could be so careless as to leave that much incriminating evidence behind. He may also be suspicious because his investigation seems to be turning up all this evidence [[TooGoodToBeTrue far more quickly and easily than is usual for this kind of case]]. Alternately, the ''quantity'' of evidence isn't the problem; the problem is the plausibility of the ''existence'' of the evidence, or the ability of the investigator to find the evidence.

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A common tactic for fictional criminals (especially murderers) is to plant false clues at the scene of their crime: either to deliberately frame someone else or merely to throw suspicion away from themselves. Sometimes, however, they take things too far and the sheer amount of clues they plant has the opposite effect. No detective will believe that any criminal could be so careless as to leave that much incriminating evidence behind. He may also be suspicious because his investigation seems to be turning up all this evidence [[TooGoodToBeTrue far more quickly and easily than is usual for this kind of case]]. Alternately, the ''quantity'' of evidence isn't the problem; the problem is the plausibility of the ''existence'' of the evidence, or the ability of the investigator to find ''find'' the evidence.
purported evidence (the latter usually leads to either a DetectiveMole or a TheBadGuysAreCops situation).
6th Apr '16 8:45:32 PM Luc
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A common tactic for fictional criminals (especially murderers) is to plant false clues at the scene of their crime: either to deliberately frame someone else or merely to throw suspicion away from themselves. Sometimes, however, they take things too far and the sheer amount of clues they plant has the opposite effect. No detective will believe that any criminal could be so careless as to leave that much incriminating evidence behind. He may also be suspicious because his investigation seems to be turning up all this evidence [[TooGoodToBeTrue far more quickly and easily than is usual for this kind of case]].

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A common tactic for fictional criminals (especially murderers) is to plant false clues at the scene of their crime: either to deliberately frame someone else or merely to throw suspicion away from themselves. Sometimes, however, they take things too far and the sheer amount of clues they plant has the opposite effect. No detective will believe that any criminal could be so careless as to leave that much incriminating evidence behind. He may also be suspicious because his investigation seems to be turning up all this evidence [[TooGoodToBeTrue far more quickly and easily than is usual for this kind of case]].
case]]. Alternately, the ''quantity'' of evidence isn't the problem; the problem is the plausibility of the ''existence'' of the evidence, or the ability of the investigator to find the evidence.
29th Mar '16 11:15:15 AM kmf_1974
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-->'''Murdock:''' You shouldn't have signed it, Kingpin. Now I'm coming for you.

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-->'''Murdock:''' It was a nice piece of work, Kingpin.You shouldn't have signed it, Kingpin. Now I'm coming for you.it.
6th Mar '16 10:59:35 PM HarryLovesHermione
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* On ''Film/{{Shooter}}'', the conspiracy's slew of clues to set-up Swagger as the killer is this, and it ''does'' drives the investigating agencies to believe that Swagger did it. The reason why Memphis doesn't believes it's Swagger at first is because 1) Swagger is a top-notch sniper capable of impossible shots, [[IfIWantedYouDead and there is no way he wouldn't have hit the President (the assumed target) in the conditions at the time]], 2) the evidence arrived to the government offices barely minutes after the shooting (''while the crime scene was still closed'' and the pursuit for Swagger was still starting), making him suspicious of the absurd efficiency and speed of its delivery and 3) not only did the cop that allegedly discovered Swagger provided a story that sounded a bit ridiculous to those with knowledge of sniper tactics, [[RevealingCoverup but the cop was shot dead in an alleged mugging just hours after giving his statement, which sounds even more suspicious]].

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* On ''Film/{{Shooter}}'', the conspiracy's slew of clues to set-up Swagger as the killer is this, and it ''does'' drives the investigating agencies to believe that Swagger did it. The reason why Memphis doesn't believes it's Swagger at first is because 1) Swagger is a top-notch sniper capable of impossible shots, [[IfIWantedYouDead and there is no way he wouldn't have hit the President (the assumed target) in the conditions at the time]], 2) the evidence arrived to the government offices barely minutes after the shooting (''while the crime scene was still closed'' and the pursuit for Swagger was still starting), making him suspicious of the absurd efficiency and speed of its delivery and 3) not only did the cop that allegedly discovered Swagger provided a story that sounded a bit ridiculous to those with knowledge of sniper tactics, tactics[[note]]the cop said that he saw the barrel of Swagger's sniper rifle sticking out from a window, but sniper protocol is to camp in a position to avoid precisely this[[/note]], [[RevealingCoverup but the cop was shot dead in an alleged mugging just hours after giving his statement, which sounds even more suspicious]].
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