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8th Jan '18 5:41:36 AM Cryoclaste
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* The {{Rush}} song "Cygnus X-1: Book II" is about this. It details a war between Apollo (who brings wisdom and order) and Dionysus (of love and chaos) that decimates the human followers. This is ended when [[BrickJoke the astronaut from Book I]] (at the end of the previous album) shows up and tells of how he has existed after plunging into the titular black hole. They dub him Cygnus The God of Balance as a result.

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* The {{Rush}} Music/{{Rush}} song "Cygnus X-1: Book II" is about this. It details a war between Apollo (who brings wisdom and order) and Dionysus (of love and chaos) that decimates the human followers. This is ended when [[BrickJoke the astronaut from Book I]] (at the end of the previous album) shows up and tells of how he has existed after plunging into the titular black hole. They dub him Cygnus The God of Balance as a result.
19th Dec '17 8:02:51 PM Gamermaster
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* Dragon society in ''Manga/MissKobayashisDragonMaid'' is divided into three factions: those who seek to keep the world in order, those who seek destruction and power, and those who seek neither. Tohru, Fafnir, and Iruru are part of the chaos faction, Elma and Cremene are part of the order faction, and Lucoa is unaligned.

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* Dragon society in ''Manga/MissKobayashisDragonMaid'' is divided into three factions: those who seek to keep the world in order, those who seek destruction and power, and those who seek neither. Tohru, Fafnir, and Iruru Ilulu are part of the chaos faction, Elma and Cremene Clemene are part of the order faction, and Lucoa is unaligned.
3rd Dec '17 1:05:26 PM nombretomado
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* The works of Creator/MichaelMoorcock, especially ''Literature/TheElricSaga'' and ''{{Corum}}'' series, where the Lords of Chaos and the Lords of Law pick Champions to fight for them. Neither Order nor Chaos are portrayed as very nice. It's pointed out in the books: Chaos means that every possibility is allowed (symbolized by the eight-arrow symbol), but at the end, you'll just move back and forth and get to nowhere. Order (symbolized by a straight arrow) means that you have direction, but exclude some possibilities -- in the worst case, all of them. A world gone too far in Chaos is one where shape cannot be maintained and horrible things will try to eat you. A world gone too far in law will eventually become a featureless white plane. And although Order has a superficial appearance of being Good, and Chaos of being Evil; the true Good is, in fact, the Balance, with Evil being the extremes of either Order or Chaos.

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* The works of Creator/MichaelMoorcock, especially ''Literature/TheElricSaga'' and ''{{Corum}}'' ''Literature/{{Corum}}'' series, where the Lords of Chaos and the Lords of Law pick Champions to fight for them. Neither Order nor Chaos are portrayed as very nice. It's pointed out in the books: Chaos means that every possibility is allowed (symbolized by the eight-arrow symbol), but at the end, you'll just move back and forth and get to nowhere. Order (symbolized by a straight arrow) means that you have direction, but exclude some possibilities -- in the worst case, all of them. A world gone too far in Chaos is one where shape cannot be maintained and horrible things will try to eat you. A world gone too far in law will eventually become a featureless white plane. And although Order has a superficial appearance of being Good, and Chaos of being Evil; the true Good is, in fact, the Balance, with Evil being the extremes of either Order or Chaos.
25th Nov '17 1:25:09 PM Smeagol17
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* ''Gatchaman Crowds'' Insight's main conflict is between those who believe that CROWDS shouldn't be given to the people because people will misuse them and will cause conflict (Order) against those who believe that CROWDS do more good than bad and humanity will evolve to use it responsibly in time, creating a better society in the future justifying the conflict it will take to get there. (Chaos)

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* ''Gatchaman Crowds'' ''Anime/GatchamanCrowds'' Insight's main conflict is between those who believe that CROWDS shouldn't be given to the people because people will misuse them and will cause conflict (Order) against those who believe that CROWDS do more good than bad and humanity will evolve to use it responsibly in time, creating a better society in the future justifying the conflict it will take to get there. (Chaos)
9th Nov '17 2:55:13 AM krimzonflygon2
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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' adds a fourth option: [[OmnicidalNeutral Nothingness]]. Screw Order. Screw Chaos. [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy All of your options suck and nothing anyone does will bring an end to the neverending]] CrapsackWorld that is the [=MegaTen=] universe, [[DespairEventHorizon so just end it all.]]

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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' adds a fourth option: [[OmnicidalNeutral Nothingness]]. Screw Order. Screw Chaos. [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy All of your options suck and nothing anyone does will bring an end to the neverending]] CrapsackWorld that is the [=MegaTen=] universe, [[DespairEventHorizon so just end it all.]] [[spoiler: Not that it'll help, as ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' reveals.]]
23rd Oct '17 5:45:13 PM DustSnitch
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Order, sometimes called Law, is associated with civilization, authority, rules, protection, the status quo, tradition, and, when [[LawfulStupid stretched to its extreme]], mindless obedience, fascism, and abuse of power. It's quite common to depict what happens when Order takes [[KnightTemplar their laws and oaths]] [[TautologicalTemplar just a little too far]]. When they have [[PersonalityPowers powers]] associated with them, it's often [[TheLeader leadership]], TheVirus, [[{{Brainwashed}} Brainwashing]], and the [[MagicallyBindingContract power to bind with rules and oaths]]. When used as a villain, he's likely to say "WeHaveReserves."

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Order, sometimes called Law, is associated with civilization, authority, rules, protection, the status quo, tradition, and, when [[LawfulStupid stretched to its extreme]], mindless obedience, fascism, and abuse of power. It's quite common to depict what happens when Order takes [[KnightTemplar their laws and oaths]] [[TautologicalTemplar just a little too far]].far]], but also don't be surprised to see TheGoodKing portrayed positively. When they have [[PersonalityPowers powers]] associated with them, it's often [[TheLeader leadership]], TheVirus, [[{{Brainwashed}} Brainwashing]], and the [[MagicallyBindingContract power to bind with rules and oaths]]. When used as a villain, he's likely to say "WeHaveReserves."
12th Oct '17 7:43:03 PM Malady
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* Wiki/TVTropes: The epic struggle between {{SPOON}} and {{FORKS}} could be seen as this kind of conflict, with SPOON being order, and FORKS chaos. {{PLATTER}} and {{KNIVES}} represent two kinds of neutrality: balance and indifference, in respective order.

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* Wiki/TVTropes: The epic struggle between {{SPOON}} JustForFun/{{SPOON}} and {{FORKS}} JustForFun/{{FORKS}} could be seen as this kind of conflict, with SPOON being order, and FORKS chaos. {{PLATTER}} JustForFun/{{PLATTER}} and {{KNIVES}} JustForFun/{{KNIVES}} represent two kinds of neutrality: balance and indifference, in respective order.
12th Aug '17 2:37:38 PM valar55
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* Tsutomu Nihei's ''[[Manga/{{Blame}} Blameverse]]'' features this conflict prominently. In ''Noise'', the main character is a cop investigating a cult who worship the power of chaos who are kidnapping children to use for human sacrifices in their bizarre {{Magitek}} rituals. When they kill her, she is resurrected by a The Safeguard, protectors of order, but they turn out to be a pack of fascists who plan on disenfranchising and killing everybody who can't afford network implants and brainwashing the ones who do. Then in ''Blame!'', we see the aftermath of this; the cult succeeded in throwing the world into chaos, but since they're so poorly organized their descendants, the Silicon Lives, don't amount to much more than a bunch of roving cyber-barbarians. The Safeguard doesn't fare much better, as their directives become so corrupted that they essentially believe that ''everything'' that's not them must be exterminated.

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* Tsutomu Nihei's ''[[Manga/{{Blame}} Blameverse]]'' features this conflict prominently. In ''Noise'', the main character is a cop investigating a cult who worship the power of chaos who are kidnapping children to use for human sacrifices in their bizarre {{Magitek}} rituals. When they kill her, she is resurrected by a The an agent of the Safeguard, protectors of order, but they turn out to be a pack of fascists who plan on disenfranchising and killing everybody who can't afford network implants and brainwashing the ones who do. Then in ''Blame!'', we see the aftermath of this; the cult succeeded in throwing the world into chaos, but since they're so poorly organized their descendants, the Silicon Lives, don't amount to much more than a bunch of roving cyber-barbarians. The Safeguard doesn't fare much better, as their directives become so corrupted that they essentially believe that ''everything'' that's not them must be exterminated.
12th Aug '17 2:34:57 PM valar55
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* The [[UsefulNotes/{{Taoism}} Taoist]] creation story from the ''Zhuangzi'' is about a chaotic, bag-shaped god named Hundun ('chaos'), who lived before the universe existed, and two emperors called Shu and Hu (Brief and Sudden). Hundun treated Shu and Hu kindly, so they decided to repay his kindness. "All men have seven openings so they can see, hear, eat, and breathe," they said (nostril, nostril, mouth, ear, ear, anus, the other one). "But Hundun has none. Let's trying drilling some into him!" Every day they drilled another hole, and on the seventh day, Hundun died. [[ObstructiveBureaucrat People like the emperors]] [[AnAesop meddle with the primal world by trying to establish rules and regulations for it, thus killing it]].

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* The [[UsefulNotes/{{Taoism}} Taoist]] creation story from the ''Zhuangzi'' is about a chaotic, bag-shaped god named Hundun ('chaos'), who lived before the universe existed, and two emperors called Shu and Hu (Brief and Sudden). Hundun treated Shu and Hu kindly, so they decided to repay his kindness. "All men have seven openings so they can see, hear, eat, and breathe," they said (nostril, nostril, mouth, ear, ear, anus, the other one). "But Hundun has none. Let's trying try drilling some into him!" Every day they drilled another hole, and on the seventh day, Hundun died. [[ObstructiveBureaucrat People like the emperors]] [[AnAesop meddle with the primal world by trying to establish rules and regulations for it, thus killing it]].



** ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' typically defines itself as Order vs. Chaos (or rather, Order vs. Disorder, seeing as how one of the factions in the universe is called Chaos). There is no real Good vs Evil. Although there are some individuals who could be considered good, as a whole the sides are basically [[BlackAndGreyMorality Bad vs]] ''[[BlackAndGreyMorality Worse]]''.

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** ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' typically defines itself as Order vs. Chaos (or rather, Order vs. Disorder, seeing as how one of the factions in the universe is called ''called'' Chaos). There is no real Good vs Evil. Although there are some individuals who could be considered good, as a whole the sides are basically [[BlackAndGreyMorality Bad vs]] ''[[BlackAndGreyMorality Worse]]''.



** The 2-part opening episode of season 5 is based on this, with the villainess, Starlight Glimmer, having determined that even so minor a form of chaos as "ponies having individual talents and specialties" is an evil she cannot tolerate. Leading her to strip all ponies under her rule of their cutie marks and, with them, their special talents. Naturally, the Mane Six have to stop her and give them all back.

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** The 2-part opening episode of season 5 is based on this, with the villainess, Starlight Glimmer, having determined that even so minor a form of chaos as "ponies having individual talents and specialties" is an evil she cannot tolerate. Leading her to strip all ponies under her rule of their cutie marks and, and with them, these, their special talents. Naturally, the Mane Six have to stop her and give them all back.
9th Aug '17 11:33:28 PM PaulA
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* In ''OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', [=McMurphy=] represents Chaos and Nurse Ratched represents Order. Chaos is definitely the good side here.

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* In ''OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', ''Literature/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', [=McMurphy=] represents Chaos and Nurse Ratched represents Order. Chaos is definitely the good side here.
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