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27th Jul '16 8:28:07 PM Arachnos
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* ''TableTopGame/{{Mortasheen}}'' details a conflict between two cities: Wreathe is an entirely human, technocratic nation with shiny skyscrapers and huge armies of equally shiny robots, while Mortasheen is a hideously polluted city populated by {{mad scientist}}s and horrifying monsters... [[DarkIsNotEvil who happen to live in perfect harmony with each other]] and really just wonder why those [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters nasty hateful humans]] are so horrified of them. That's right, ''Mortasheen'' are the ''good guys''.

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* ''TableTopGame/{{Mortasheen}}'' details a conflict between two cities: Wreathe is an entirely human, technocratic nation with shiny skyscrapers and huge armies of equally shiny robots, while Mortasheen is a hideously polluted city populated by {{mad scientist}}s and horrifying monsters... [[DarkIsNotEvil who happen to live in perfect harmony with each other]] and really just wonder why those [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters nasty hateful humans]] [[VanHellsingHateCrimes are so horrified of them.them]]. That's right, ''Mortasheen'' are the ''good guys''.
24th Jul '16 7:03:04 AM TheNerfGuy
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* Many of [[Tropers/{{Maedar}} Cyber Commander's]] works, like ''Franchise/{{Shadowchasers}}'', feature this. For example, devils are creatures of Law and Order who mostly aim to enslave the world, while demons are creatures of Anarchy and Chaos who mostly aim to destroy the world. [[EvilVersusEvil Both races are evil and hate each other]].

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* Many of [[Tropers/{{Maedar}} Cyber Commander's]] works, like ''Franchise/{{Shadowchasers}}'', the ''FanFic/ShadowchasersSeries'', feature this. For example, devils are creatures of Law and Order who mostly aim to enslave the world, while demons are creatures of Anarchy and Chaos who mostly aim to destroy the world. [[EvilVersusEvil Both races are evil and hate each other]].
17th Jul '16 6:15:10 AM ANTMuddle
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See also CharacterAlignment, where this is a major factor. See also AlikeAndAntitheticalAdversaries for other variants on this conflict. Can often be involved with the dilemma of HarmonyVersusDiscipline. Visually represented on a smaller scale with SlobsVersusSnobs.

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See also CharacterAlignment, where this is a major factor. See also AlikeAndAntitheticalAdversaries for other variants on this conflict. Can often be involved with the dilemma of HarmonyVersusDiscipline. Visually represented on a smaller scale with SlobsVersusSnobs.
SlobsVersusSnobs. Also not uncommon in {{Odd Couple}}s.
17th Jul '16 6:14:03 AM ANTMuddle
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* Neither ''Series/TheOddCouple'' nor its [[Series/TheOddCouple2015 reboot]] are immune to this trope.
25th Jun '16 11:19:14 AM nombretomado
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* In ''AHDotComTheSeries'', it was revealed at the end of the fourth season that the multiverse is the stage for a continuous cosmic war between the Hub Lords (Order) and the AlienSpaceBats (Chaos), which continues even through successive Big Bangs and Crunches and new universes being born.

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* In ''AHDotComTheSeries'', ''Script/AHDotComTheSeries'', it was revealed at the end of the fourth season that the multiverse is the stage for a continuous cosmic war between the Hub Lords (Order) and the AlienSpaceBats (Chaos), which continues even through successive Big Bangs and Crunches and new universes being born.
24th Jun '16 12:26:02 AM lavendermintrose
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* In ''Anime/{{K}}'', The 4th and Blue Clan stands for Order, and they get Chaos from both sides - the 3rd and Red Clan are their rivals for most of the series, but their element is Destruction. The Green Clan, JUNGLE, who Scepter 4 fights in the second season [[spoiler: In an alliance with HOMRA, as well as the Silver Clan]] is Chaos.
23rd Jun '16 11:36:37 AM StFan
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* ''Manga/{{s-Cry-ed}}'' (anime version) casts the independent mercenary Kazuma as a proponent of Chaos and the military-mindset HOLY member Ryuhou as a Orderly KnightTemplar who's confidently skirting the MoralEventHorizon. Most of Kazuma's potential Inner allies aren't all that good, and Ryuho's fellow CapeBusters run the gamut from easygoing to TheCaligula. Then ConflictKiller [[spoiler: Kyoji Mujo]] shows up, having suckered the mainland brass into thinking him a full-blown KnightTemplar when he's really a SocialDarwinist. At this point, if the two are left unattended for more than ''two seconds'' they start pounding on each other, but both agree that he's the biggest threat.

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* ''Manga/{{s-Cry-ed}}'' ''Anime/{{Scryed}}'' (anime version) casts the independent mercenary Kazuma as a proponent of Chaos and the military-mindset HOLY member Ryuhou as a Orderly KnightTemplar who's confidently skirting the MoralEventHorizon. Most of Kazuma's potential Inner allies aren't all that good, and Ryuho's fellow CapeBusters run the gamut from easygoing to TheCaligula. Then ConflictKiller [[spoiler: Kyoji Mujo]] shows up, having suckered the mainland brass into thinking him a full-blown KnightTemplar when he's really a SocialDarwinist. At this point, if the two are left unattended for more than ''two seconds'' they start pounding on each other, but both agree that he's the biggest threat.






* TheDCU has the SufficientlyAdvanced EnergyBeings known as the Lords of Chaos and Lords of Order. Several previously-existing magical beings were [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] to fit in with this; Dr. Fate's mentor Nabu became a Lord of Order, the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}' antagonist Mordru was revealed as a Lord of Chaos, and so on. Most portrayals of these focused on balance, especially Hawk and Dove, who represent, respectively, Chaos and Order and were created by a Lord of Order and a Lord of Chaos who had fallen in love and tried to find some happy middle.
* TheDCU also has Jack Kirby's Fourth World of the ComicBook/NewGods, where Order is represented by the oppressive tyrant, Darkseid, who demands absolute obedience and seeks the Anti-Life Equation, mastery of which will force any mind to submit to the will of he who wields it. He's opposed by the SpaceHippies of New Genesis, who believe in peace and free will ("That is the Life Equation!") -- and his own son, who is essentially a personification of pure, primal fury.
** Amazingly, though Kirby clearly spells this out several times, many writers who followed him Just Didn't Get It, and explicitly flipped around the Order and Chaos attributions of the two factions. This may be because it was most clearly stated in ''The Forever People'', the least well-regarded series in the saga.
** In ''Comicbook/TheNew52'' Highfather and Darkseid ''both'' represent order, with the Forever People rejecting both of them in favour of a chaotic [[TakeAThirdOption third option]].
* MarvelComics' ''CrystarCrystalWarrior'' is about a war between the magical forces of Order and Chaos on the planet Crystalium. While the good guys are all allied with Order, and the demon lord Chaos is indisputably evil, it's worth noting that the Order wizard Ogeode recognizes that if Order were taken too far, it would be just as destructive as Chaos (his [[LawfulStupid bosses]] don't like it when he talks like this); while Chaos's [[TheDragon Dragon]], Moltar, was railroaded into the job and clearly doesn't really believe in it wholeheartedly, either. [[spoiler: Moltar finally does a HeelFaceTurn at the very end of the series.]]

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* TheDCU has the Franchise/TheDCU:
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SufficientlyAdvanced EnergyBeings known as the Lords of Chaos and Lords of Order. Several previously-existing magical beings were [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] to fit in with this; Dr. Fate's mentor Nabu became a Lord of Order, the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}' antagonist Mordru was revealed as a Lord of Chaos, and so on. Most portrayals of these focused on balance, especially Hawk and Dove, who represent, respectively, Chaos and Order and were created by a Lord of Order and a Lord of Chaos who had fallen in love and tried to find some happy middle.
* TheDCU ** It also has Jack Kirby's Fourth World of the ComicBook/NewGods, where Order is represented by the oppressive tyrant, Darkseid, who demands absolute obedience and seeks the Anti-Life Equation, mastery of which will force any mind to submit to the will of he who wields it. He's opposed by the SpaceHippies of New Genesis, who believe in peace and free will ("That is the Life Equation!") -- and his own son, who is essentially a personification of pure, primal fury.
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fury. Amazingly, though Kirby clearly spells this out several times, many writers who followed him Just Didn't Get It, and explicitly flipped around the Order and Chaos attributions of the two factions. This may be because it was most clearly stated in ''The Forever People'', the least well-regarded series in the saga.
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saga.In ''Comicbook/TheNew52'' Highfather and Darkseid ''both'' represent order, with the Forever People rejecting both of them in favour of a chaotic [[TakeAThirdOption third option]].
* MarvelComics' ''CrystarCrystalWarrior'' Creator/MarvelComics' ''ComicBook/CrystarCrystalWarrior'' is about a war between the magical forces of Order and Chaos on the planet Crystalium. While the good guys are all allied with Order, and the demon lord Chaos is indisputably evil, it's worth noting that the Order wizard Ogeode recognizes that if Order were taken too far, it would be just as destructive as Chaos (his [[LawfulStupid bosses]] don't like it when he talks like this); while Chaos's [[TheDragon Dragon]], Moltar, was railroaded into the job and clearly doesn't really believe in it wholeheartedly, either. [[spoiler: Moltar finally does a HeelFaceTurn at the very end of the series.]]



* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'' fits this theme. The Romans are well-organised (the story occasionally lampshades their beautiful maneuvers as a form of history-porn), trained, dress in uniforms, live in elegant villas or tidy little fortified camps, and are cultured and structured - although the characters given to the individual Romans show the cracks in the facade. The Gauls, on the other hand, have long, wild hair and facial hair, live in ramshackle huts, actively resist authority [[ChaoticNeutral even if that authority might have a point]] and charge into battle any old how with no plans and their biggest men at the front. It's worth observing that when the Gauls beat up the (ordinary) Romans, they tend to look messed up, but quite happy about it, as if they're just relieved to be liberated from the oppression of order. The Gauls export their particular brand of Chaos to the camps, eventually - a new centurion arrives to discover that no one is in uniform and the soldiers, all bruised and missing teeth, have completely given up attacking the village and are now just hanging around enjoying food, drink, games and basically having a relaxed, good time. On the other hand, the Gaulish chaos isn't entirely good, since if they have no one to fight against they just argue constantly with each other. Some later Goscinny stories, such as ''Asterix and the Soothsayer'', and ''Asterix and Caesar's Gift'' (to name just a couple) make it very clear just how annoying it would be to live in the village if you are anything close to being a normal person.
* ComicBook/TheGiganticBeardThatWasEvil has the orderly world of Here haunted by the chaos of There lurking "beneath the skin of all things" that eventually invades in the form of the titular beard.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'' fits this theme. The Romans are well-organised (the story occasionally lampshades their beautiful maneuvers as a form of history-porn), trained, dress in uniforms, live in elegant villas or tidy little fortified camps, and are cultured and structured - -- although the characters given to the individual Romans show the cracks in the facade. façade. The Gauls, on the other hand, have long, wild hair and facial hair, live in ramshackle huts, actively resist authority [[ChaoticNeutral even if that authority might have a point]] and charge into battle any old how anyhow with no plans and their biggest men at the front. It's worth observing that when the Gauls beat up the (ordinary) Romans, they tend to look messed up, but quite happy about it, as if they're just relieved to be liberated from the oppression of order. The Gauls export their particular brand of Chaos to the camps, eventually - -- a new centurion arrives to discover that no one no-one is in uniform and the soldiers, all bruised and missing teeth, have completely given up attacking the village and are now just hanging around enjoying food, drink, games and basically having a relaxed, good time. On the other hand, the Gaulish chaos isn't entirely good, since if they have no one no-one to fight against they just argue constantly with each other. Some later Goscinny stories, such as ''Asterix and the Soothsayer'', and ''Asterix and Caesar's Gift'' (to name just a couple) make it very clear just how annoying it would be to live in the village if you are anything close to being a normal person.
* ComicBook/TheGiganticBeardThatWasEvil ''ComicBook/TheGiganticBeardThatWasEvil'' has the orderly world of Here haunted by the chaos of There lurking "beneath the skin of all things" that eventually invades in the form of the titular beard.



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* The dynamic between [[NatureHero Owen]] (Chaos) and [[IceQueen Claire]] (Order) in ''Film/JurassicWorld''. Which is why their [[NoodleIncident off-screen date]] was an EpicFail - she turned up with an itinerary, and he turned up in board shorts [[note]][[DefensiveWhat It's Central America! It's hot!]][[/note]].

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* The dynamic between [[NatureHero Owen]] (Chaos) and [[IceQueen Claire]] (Order) in ''Film/JurassicWorld''. Which is why their [[NoodleIncident off-screen date]] was an EpicFail - -- she turned up with an itinerary, and he turned up in board shorts [[note]][[DefensiveWhat It's Central America! It's hot!]][[/note]].



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* This was what came to define the Wrestling/AttitudeEra, as the foul-mouthed, bellicose, and totally unpredictable GarbageWrestler Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin feuded with CorruptCorporateExecutive Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's slick, soulless media empire.
* Another, similar conflict from the Attitude Era was down-on-his-luck PsychopathicManchild [[Wrestling/MickFoley Mankind]]'s running battle with the 'Corporate Champion', [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]], which involved the clean-cut rising star (and corporate shill) of the WWE getting squashed under forklifts, thrown through tables, and repeatedly gagged with Mankind's CompanionCube, 'Mr. Socko'.
* Wrestling/CMPunk has been on both sides of this in recent years. He's been a force of Chaos operating against the authority in the WWE in the form of John Laurinitis and Wrestling/TripleH. However, in his recent feud against Wrestling/JeffHardy, Punk played the role of Order, contrasting his personal dedication to the Straight Edge lifestyle against Jeff's excessive self-indulgence.
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* This was what came to define the Wrestling/AttitudeEra, as the foul-mouthed, bellicose, and totally unpredictable GarbageWrestler Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin feuded with CorruptCorporateExecutive Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's slick, soulless media empire.
* Another, similar conflict from the Attitude Era was down-on-his-luck PsychopathicManchild [[Wrestling/MickFoley Mankind]]'s running battle with the 'Corporate Champion', [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]], which involved the clean-cut rising star (and corporate shill) of the WWE getting squashed under forklifts, thrown through tables, and repeatedly gagged with Mankind's CompanionCube, 'Mr. Socko'.
* Wrestling/CMPunk has been on both sides of this in recent years. He's been a force of Chaos operating against the authority in the WWE in the form of John Laurinitis and Wrestling/TripleH. However, in his recent feud against Wrestling/JeffHardy, Punk played the role of Order, contrasting his personal dedication to the Straight Edge lifestyle against Jeff's excessive self-indulgence.
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* UsefulNotes/{{Discordianism}}. What else could be expected when the Goddess is Eris, Goddess of Chaos? ([[{{Flanderization}} Actually, Eris is Goddess of Strife]]. The ''Literature/PrincipiaDiscordia'' explains that the Greeks were somewhat "off" in their appraisal of Eris.)
** On the other hand, the Principia recognizes the difference between creative/destructive order and disorder, advocating the "good" version of each. Although it generally prefers the "disorderly" method, as Discordians believe the world is ''far'' too organized already.

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* UsefulNotes/{{Discordianism}}. What else could be expected when the Goddess is Eris, Goddess of Chaos? ([[{{Flanderization}} Actually, Eris is Goddess of Strife]]. The ''Literature/PrincipiaDiscordia'' explains that the Greeks were somewhat "off" in their appraisal of Eris.)
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) On the other hand, the Principia recognizes the difference between creative/destructive order and disorder, advocating the "good" version of each. Although it generally prefers the "disorderly" method, as Discordians believe the world is ''far'' too organized already.



[[folder:Pro Wrestling]]
* This was what came to define the Wrestling/AttitudeEra, as the foul-mouthed, bellicose, and totally unpredictable GarbageWrestler Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin feuded with CorruptCorporateExecutive Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's slick, soulless media empire.
* Another, similar conflict from the Attitude Era was down-on-his-luck PsychopathicManchild [[Wrestling/MickFoley Mankind]]'s running battle with the 'Corporate Champion', [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]], which involved the clean-cut rising star (and corporate shill) of the WWE getting squashed under forklifts, thrown through tables, and repeatedly gagged with Mankind's CompanionCube, 'Mr. Socko'.
* Wrestling/CMPunk has been on both sides of this in recent years. He's been a force of Chaos operating against the authority in the WWE in the form of John Laurinitis and Wrestling/TripleH. However, in his recent feud against Wrestling/JeffHardy, Punk played the role of Order, contrasting his personal dedication to the Straight Edge lifestyle against Jeff's excessive self-indulgence.
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** In the Basic/Expert/etc variant of D&D, the Sphere of Matter was generally affiliated with Law, and the Sphere of Energy with Chaos, with Time favoring Neutrality and Thought combining some of each. The four all generally team up to oppose the Sphere of Entropy, a nihilistic variant of Chaos that's looking to eliminate life of ''an''y alignment, however.
*** Curiously, that's how things are in Normal CD&D reality. In the alternate Nightmare reality, it's Chaos (a.k.a. Freedom) that's generally on the side of the angels, and Law (there called Stasis) that's considered a menace.

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** In the Basic/Expert/etc variant of D&D, ''D&D'', the Sphere of Matter was generally affiliated with Law, and the Sphere of Energy with Chaos, with Time favoring Neutrality and Thought combining some of each. The four all generally team up to oppose the Sphere of Entropy, a nihilistic variant of Chaos that's looking to eliminate life of ''an''y ''any'' alignment, however.
*** ** Curiously, that's how things are in Normal CD&D ''CD&D'' reality. In the alternate Nightmare reality, it's Chaos (a.k.a. Freedom) that's generally on the side of the angels, and Law (there called Stasis) that's considered a menace.



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* The epic struggle between {{SPOON}} and {{FORKS}} could be seen as this kind of conflict, with SPOON being order, and FORKS chaos. {{PLATTER}} and {{KNIVES}} represent two kinds of neutrality: balance and indifference, in respective order.
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* Wiki/TVTropes: The epic struggle between {{SPOON}} and {{FORKS}} could be seen as this kind of conflict, with SPOON being order, and FORKS chaos. {{PLATTER}} and {{KNIVES}} represent two kinds of neutrality: balance and indifference, in respective order.
14th Jun '16 3:56:04 AM Morgenthaler
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** The series dances around this with the Chaotic Djinni-si (a collection of vampires, shapeshifters, telepaths, and other things that go BumpInTheNight) and the Orderly Celeste (a hybrid species of angels and demons who are "often" associated with the good side, even though they're collectively the VillainWithGoodPublicity).

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** The series dances around this with the Chaotic Djinni-si (a collection of vampires, shapeshifters, telepaths, and other things that go BumpInTheNight) ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight) and the Orderly Celeste (a hybrid species of angels and demons who are "often" associated with the good side, even though they're collectively the VillainWithGoodPublicity).
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* ''[[Literature/AMagesPower A Mage's Power]]'': Eric reads a story that protrays them as family. In fact, they're mother and son. [[spoiler: A scene at the climax states that there is more animosity between them then the story implied. Tricksters, gods of Chaos, fight Enforcers, who are gods of Order, for control of worlds.]]

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* *''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': Order and Chaos are in a perpetual DivineConflict for control over the multiverse contained within Noitearc, the Great Tree That Supports the Worlds. Elves call this "The First War". Chaos desires worlds of infinite possible change and Order desires worlds of permanent and unchangeable stability.
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''[[Literature/AMagesPower A Mage's Power]]'': Power]]'': Eric reads a story that protrays them as family. In fact, they're mother portrays the founding gods Order and son. [[spoiler: A scene at Chaos as family in a multiverse origin story while glazing over their animosity.
**''Literature/LoomingShadow and ''Literature/ManaMutationMenace'' sees mana mutation become
the climax states that latest front in the First War. If there is more animosity between them then a magical illness in your world that can turn people into savage monsters, what is the story implied. Tricksters, gods of Chaos, fight Enforcers, who are gods of Order, for control of worlds.]]best way to deal with it? Accept the danger and find a cure or reject it entirely and accept Order's domination?



*** However, Order does come off as a slightly lighter shade of black most of the time. Normal racial divisions are the Imperium, Eldar, and Tau for Order, and Chaos, Dark Eldar, and Orks for Disorder. Necrons and Tyranids are both off to the side a bit, but as Necron lore becomes more developed, they seem to be leaning towards Order.
*** In the first Necrons codex, the C'tan are essentially the Gods of Order, as they're the complete antithesis of the Chaos Gods. The Chaos Gods exist in the Warp while the C'tan are wholly physical beings (well, energy beings, but they have no connection to Warp whatsoever) The Chaos Gods can substitute reality with their own, while the C'tan have mastery over the laws of physics, allowing both to do seemingly magical things. The followers of the Chaos Gods tend to end up controlled by their emotions and become more and more mutated until they turn into mindless Spawn, while the followers of the C'tan had their minds transferred into unchanging metal bodies and became the soulless and emotionless Necrons. The ultimate goal of the Chaos Gods is to consume the galaxy in chaos by turning it into a giant warp rift, while the ultimate goal of the C'tan is to seal off the warp, turning every sentient being into soulless cattle for them to feed on.
*** This angle was dropped in the second Necrons codex because Games Workshop came to the realisation that this made it very hard to give any meaningful character to the Necrons themselves and defined them solely by their relationship to the C'tan.

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*** However, Order does come off as a slightly lighter shade of black most of the time. Normal racial divisions are the Imperium, Eldar, and Tau for Order, and Chaos, Dark Eldar, and Orks for Disorder. Necrons and Tyranids are both off to the side a bit, but as Necron lore becomes more developed, they seem to be leaning towards Order.
Order. Their goal is wiping out sentient life in order to ''truly'' starve the chaos gods.
*** In the first Necrons codex, the C'tan are essentially the Gods of Order, as they're the complete antithesis of the Chaos Gods. The Chaos Gods exist in the Warp while the C'tan are wholly physical beings (well, energy beings, but they have no connection to Warp whatsoever) The Chaos Gods can substitute reality with their own, while the C'tan have mastery over the laws of physics, allowing both to do seemingly magical things. The followers of the Chaos Gods tend to end up controlled by their emotions and become more and more mutated until they turn into mindless Spawn, while the followers of the C'tan had their minds transferred into unchanging metal bodies and became the soulless and emotionless Necrons. The ultimate goal of the Chaos Gods is to consume the galaxy in chaos by turning it into a giant warp rift, while the ultimate goal of the C'tan is to seal off the warp, turning every sentient being into soulless cattle for them to feed on.
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on. [[note]] This angle was dropped in the second Necrons codex because Games Workshop came to the realisation that this made it very hard to give any meaningful character to the Necrons themselves and defined them solely by their relationship to the C'tan.C'tan. [[/note]]
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* A reoccurring theme in ''Series/NowhereBoys''.
** In Season 1, the BigBad is an entity known as the Restoring Demon, who is obsessed with restoring order whenever there's a magical disturbance.
** In the feature film ''The Book of Shadows'', the BigBad is a girl named Tegan, who is [[spoiler:revealed to be the personification of Chaos,]] and wishes to take revenge on "Bear", [[spoiler:the personfication of Order.]]
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