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16th Jun '17 3:10:35 PM MagBas
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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIII'', Order is not necessarily always [[DarkIsNotEvil good]], and Chaos is not always [[GoodIsNotNice evil]]. Balance is found in that world through light and darkness, but if either side gets too powerful, four warriors from the opposite side are chosen to wield their respective Crystals and restore the balance. In the game, you play as the Four Warriors of Light trying to balance out the forces of Darkness using the Light Crystals, but then you eventually learn that there were once Four Warriors of Darkness who balanced out the forces of Light using Dark Crystals.
16th Jun '17 6:57:01 AM TheNerfGuy
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* Many of [[Tropers/{{Maedar}} Cyber Commander's]] works, like the ''FanFic/ShadowchasersSeries'', feature this. For example, devils are creatures of Law and Order who mostly aim to enslave the world, while demons are creatures of Anarchy and Chaos who mostly aim to destroy the world. [[EvilVersusEvil Both races are evil and hate each other]].

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* Many of [[Tropers/{{Maedar}} Cyber Commander's]] Occam Razor's]] works, like the ''FanFic/ShadowchasersSeries'', feature this. For example, devils are creatures of Law and Order who mostly aim to enslave the world, while demons are creatures of Anarchy and Chaos who mostly aim to destroy the world. [[EvilVersusEvil Both races are evil and hate each other]]. As it is based after ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', this is to be expected.
15th Jun '17 4:45:36 AM MagBas
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* In terms of ''genres'', [[SuperRobotGenre Super Robots]] would have represented Chaos, compared to [[RealRobotGenre Real Robots]] representing Order. The most likely reason would be because of either their defiance of real-world physics in-terms of Super Robots, or abidance to them in-terms of Real Robots. See {{Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness}} to learn more.
15th Jun '17 4:32:15 AM EternalNothingness
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* In terms of ''genres'', [[SuperRobotGenre Super Robots]] would have represented Chaos, compared to [[RealRobotGenre Real Robots]] representing Order. The most likely reason would be because of either their defiance of real-world physics in-terms of Super Robots, or abidance to them in-terms of Real Robots. See {{Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness}} to learn more.
11th Jun '17 3:14:10 PM nombretomado
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* In ''YesMinister'', Hacker tries to claim that the role of the government is to do good and fight evil. Humphrey dismisses that notion with a dry laugh, and explains that the government is ''actually'' there to maintain order amid chaos.

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* In ''YesMinister'', ''Series/YesMinister'', Hacker tries to claim that the role of the government is to do good and fight evil. Humphrey dismisses that notion with a dry laugh, and explains that the government is ''actually'' there to maintain order amid chaos.
31st May '17 7:43:27 AM BeerBaron
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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'''s Shivering Isles expansion is based around this trope. The Daedric Prince of Order and his forces periodically destroy the Shivering Isles, the realm of madness, creativity, and free will. The main quest of the game? To stop them this time.
** The original division between Aedra and Daedra was based on their preference for order or chaos. The differences have evolved over the centuries and often does come across as simply good/evil, though.
*** Especially in the later games. In the earlier games they were pretty much ''all'' bastards.
*** Even with the Aedra representing Order and the Daedra representing Chaos it gets confusing in the end, however. Remember, the universe token god of Order is a Daedra, not an Aedra, which makes it even more complex of an issue. And even still in the later games, most Daedra, save for Mehrunes Dagon and Molag Bal, tend to get PetTheDog moments in the games.
*** And the creation god, Lorkhan, is the most chaotic of all things with sentience.
** The concept of order versus chaos is actually the creation myth of Tamriel. In the beginning there was Void, nothing. From the void arose Anu and Padomay, stasis and change; their interplay created Aurbis, existence. In Aurbis there was a spirit of Anu, Anui-El and a spirit of Padomay, Sithis; from Anui-El was born Auri-El, Aldmer god of Time and from Sithis was born Lorkhan, the God who created Mundus.

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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'''s Shivering Isles In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', this is heavily present (though at times significantly played-with) with the series' [[OurGodsAreDifferent divine beings]]. To note:
** The CreationMyth for most religions of Tamriel generally follows a pattern that, in the pre-creation universe, there were two opposing primordial forces - Stasis (Order) and Change (Chaos). A few of the religions [[AnthropomorphicPersonification anthropomorphize]] these forces into beings most commonly known as Anu and Padomay, respectively. The interplay between these two forces led to Nir, or Creation. Nir loved Anu, which Padomay hated. Padomay wounded Nir, but before dying, she gave birth to twelve worlds. Padomay shattered these worlds but was stopped by Anu, who drove Padomay away. Anu salvaged the pieces of these worlds to create one world, Nirn. When Padomay returned, the two fought, spilling their blood. Anu pulled Padomay outside of time itself, ending his threat to creation. From the blood of Anu and Padomay came the et'Ada, or "original spirits."
** One of these spirits, said to have been "begat" by Sithis (the embodiment of chaos and, for lack of a better term, Padomay's "spirit"), was Lorkhan (aka [[IHaveManyNames Shor, Shezarr, Shep, Lorkhaj, etc.]]). Depending on the version of the myth, he convinced/tricked some of the other et'Ada into helping him create the mortal plane, known as Mundus, to permanently disrupt the "stasis" of pre-creation with "chaos." (The races of Mer, or Elves, generally believe this was a cruel trick that robbed their ancestors of their pre-creation divinity while the races of Men believe it was a good thing.) Those et'Ada who sacrificed large parts of their being to create Mundus became known as the Aedra, while those that did not participate became the Daedra. For his treachery, the Aedra "killed" Lorkhan and tore out his "divine center" (heart), which they cast down into the mortal world he helped to create.
** The Aedra, meaning "Our Ancestors" in the old [[ClassicalTongue Aldmeri language]], sacrificed a large portion of their divine power in order to create the mortal world. It is said that the et'Ada who would become the Aedra formed from the intermingled blood of Anu and Padomay, giving them some traits of both Order and Chaos. Meanwhile, the Daedra, meaning "Not Our Ancestors," did not sacrifice any of their power during the creation of Mundus and remain [[CompleteImmortality truly immortal]]. The et'Ada who would become the Daedra are said to have formed exclusively from the blood of Padomay, giving them purely Chaotic traits. (Though even this is heavily played with, as two of the Daedric Princes, Jyggalag and Peryite, both govern over spheres which contain elements of ''Order''.)
** This is heavily played up in some of the religions of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]], ''especially'' the Altmer (High Elves). According to Altmer religious beliefs, the creation of Mundus was seen as an act of malevolence as it forced them to experience mortal suffering, loss, and death while removing their spirits from a place of pre-creation divinity. While most are content to toil in this mortal "prison" with "more limitations than not," some extremists, like [[ANaziByAnyOtherName the Thalmor]], actively seek to ''[[OmnicidalManiac undo creation]]'' to return to that state of pre-creation divinity. According to their beliefs, mankind was made up from the "weakest souls" by Lorkhan to spread Sithis (Chaos) "into every corner," ensuring that there could never be the "stasis" (Order) of pre-creation again. However, they believe that not just the ''existence'' of mankind, but the existence of the ''possibility'' of mankind keeps them trapped in Mundus. Essentially, the Altmer are [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence oppressed not just by the existence of mankind, but the possibility of mankind's existence]].
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'''s ''Shivering Isles''
expansion is based around this trope. The Sheogorath, the [[MadGod Daedric Prince of Order and his forces Madness]] will periodically destroy [[spoiler:transform into his original form as Jyggalag, the Daedric Prince of Order, and level the Shivering Isles, the Isles - Sheogorath's realm of madness, creativity, and free will. will]]. The main quest of the game? To stop them expansion is to bring an end to this time.
** The original division between Aedra
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*** Especially in the later games. In the earlier games they were pretty much ''all'' bastards.
*** Even with the Aedra representing Order and the Daedra representing Chaos it gets confusing in the end, however. Remember, the universe token god of Order is a Daedra, not an Aedra, which makes it even more complex of an issue. And even still in the later games, most Daedra, save for Mehrunes Dagon and Molag Bal, tend to get PetTheDog moments in the games.
*** And the creation god, Lorkhan, is the most chaotic of all things with sentience.
** The concept of order versus chaos is actually the creation myth of Tamriel. In the beginning there was Void, nothing. From the void arose Anu and Padomay, stasis and change; their interplay created Aurbis, existence. In Aurbis there was a spirit of Anu, Anui-El and a spirit of Padomay, Sithis; from Anui-El was born Auri-El, Aldmer god of Time and from Sithis was born Lorkhan, the God who created Mundus.
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17th May '17 12:48:36 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'': Despite having created the ''Chaos'' Emeralds, [[{{Satan}} Maledict]] Maledict firmly believes in imposing absolute order upon the universe - courtesy of his Demon Empire - and he will do anything to accomplish his goal.
-->'''Maledict''': That is why the universe belongs to me. We bring order upon the chaos. Without it, life and civilization would not exist. Brother would fight brother, parents would destroy their children. Darkness would swallow all.
30th Apr '17 3:35:58 PM Xtifr
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* In Creator/ElizabethBear's ''Promethean Age'' series the Fae are definitely Chaos and the Promethean Society Order and neither is presented as very nice. Subverted in that[[spoiler: The Promethean Society was originally founded by Lucifer who is a Magnificent Bastard and the original rebel against Order]].

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* In Creator/ElizabethBear's ''Promethean Age'' ''Literature/ThePrometheanAge'' series the Fae are definitely Chaos and the Promethean Society Order and neither is presented as very nice. Subverted in that[[spoiler: The Promethean Society was originally founded by Lucifer who is a Magnificent Bastard and the original rebel against Order]].
29th Apr '17 10:44:12 PM Xtifr
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* In Elizabeth Bear's ''Promethean Age'' series the Fae are definitely Chaos and the Promethean Society Order and neither is presented as very nice. Subverted in that[[spoiler: The Promethean Society was originally founded by Lucifer who is a Magnificent Bastard and the original rebel against Order]].

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* In Elizabeth Bear's Creator/ElizabethBear's ''Promethean Age'' series the Fae are definitely Chaos and the Promethean Society Order and neither is presented as very nice. Subverted in that[[spoiler: The Promethean Society was originally founded by Lucifer who is a Magnificent Bastard and the original rebel against Order]].
23rd Apr '17 7:08:53 PM TheWanderer
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They're sometimes {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s, struggling with the whole world at stake, and don'tcha know, the hero's just the one that's got to pick [[DivineChessboard between one or the other to serve]] [[TakeAThirdOption or choose neither one keep them balanced]]. When they're not actual forces, they're broad themes represented by the agenda of specific groups of people.

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They're sometimes {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s, struggling with the whole world at stake, and don'tcha know, the hero's just the one that's got to pick [[DivineChessboard between one or the other to serve]] [[TakeAThirdOption or choose neither one keep them balanced]].balanced]] because BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous. When they're not actual forces, they're broad themes represented by the agenda of specific groups of people.
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