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13th Jan '17 7:17:22 AM Morgenthaler
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* {{Averted}} in ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'': V fights to bring down the oppressive government, but is careful to tell to Evey that it's law, rather than order, that he opposes. He also makes sure to explain that anarchy is not the same as chaos. This is because in oppression a resistance will always exist, while in anarchy it will not, as there is nothing to resist.

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* {{Averted}} {{Subverted}} in ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'': V fights to bring down the oppressive government, but is careful to tell to Evey that it's law, rather than order, that he opposes. He also makes sure to explain that anarchy is not the same as chaos. This is because in oppression a resistance will always exist, while in anarchy it will not, as there is nothing to resist.
11th Jan '17 12:37:12 PM kingjello
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* The trope forms the main backbone of the conflict between Symmetra (Order) and Lucio (Chaos) in ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}''. Symmetra believed that order has to be upheld to create a better community. Unfortunately, due to her upbringing and working for Vishkar Corporation, widely believed to be an evil, corrupt company, some tends to miss that she's not a big fan of their underhanded tactics, only interested with order and was led to believe that Vishkar is doing things for an eventual greater good, the restoration of order. On the other hand, Lucio was a victim of Vishkar's attempt to impose their order (with a little help from Symmetra), and as a believer of people's freedom, he rose up by stealing Vishkar's technology and using it against them, granting freedom to the oppressed people and allowing him to do a dual-job between an international DJ at day, a freedom fighter at night. Symmetra obviously do not get along with Lucio, her doubts with Vishkar aside, she still saw him as no better than a thief, a street rat that rose to fame with dubious, unorderly manners and he should at least return the technology he stole, while Lucio justifies himself with how [[AssholeVictim Vishkar was asking for it for oppressing his people first]] and [[JustLikeRobinHood it's for the oppressed people that needs freedom]] (which was dubbed by Symmetra as 'anarchy') and generally, he is not aware of Symmetra's personal doubts and thinks that she's just the same as the other corrupt Vishkar guys that oppressed his people, therefore, she has no validities in chastising him when she's showing blind obedience to what he thinks to be [[ObviouslyEvil Obviously Corrupt]] company.

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* The trope forms the main backbone of the conflict between Symmetra (Order) and Lucio (Chaos) in ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}''. Symmetra believed that order has to be upheld to create a better community. Unfortunately, due to her upbringing and working for Vishkar Corporation, widely believed to be an evil, corrupt company, some tends to miss that she's not a big fan of their underhanded tactics, only interested with order and was led to believe that Vishkar is doing things for an eventual greater good, the restoration of order. On the other hand, Lucio was a victim of Vishkar's attempt to impose their order (with a little help from Symmetra), and as a believer of people's freedom, he rose up by stealing Vishkar's technology and using it against them, granting freedom to the oppressed people and allowing him to do a dual-job between an international DJ at by day, a freedom fighter at by night. Symmetra obviously do not get along with Lucio, her doubts with Vishkar aside, she still saw him as no better than a thief, a street rat that rose to fame with dubious, unorderly manners and he should at least return the technology he stole, while Lucio justifies himself with how [[AssholeVictim Vishkar was asking for it for oppressing his people first]] and [[JustLikeRobinHood it's for the oppressed people that needs freedom]] (which was dubbed by Symmetra as 'anarchy') and generally, he is not aware of Symmetra's personal doubts and thinks that she's just the same as the other corrupt Vishkar guys that oppressed his people, therefore, she has no validities in chastising him when she's showing blind obedience to what he thinks to be [[ObviouslyEvil Obviously Corrupt]] company.
29th Dec '16 10:07:12 PM Love777
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*** Technically, the Tree of Harmony at somepoint decided to form see herself as a bridge between Order and Chaos, while opposing both sides negative attributes, having seen the good qualties of both sides.

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*** Technically, ***Technically, the Tree of Harmony at somepoint decided to form see herself as a bridge between Order and Chaos, while opposing both sides negative attributes, having seen the good qualties of both sides.
29th Dec '16 10:07:07 PM Love777
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** ''FanFic/TheBorderworld'': The whole story collection centered around this confilict, with Discord for Chaos and Order being for, well, Order, and the Tree of Harmony for, of course, Harmony. The conflict is called the Eternal War because it spawned ever since all three sides were born, and has spaned across the universe and time itself.
***Technically, the Tree of Harmony at somepoint decided to form see herself as a bridge between Order and Chaos, while opposing both sides negative attributes, having seen the good qualties of both sides.
29th Dec '16 6:48:37 PM ChrisX
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* The trope forms the main backbone of the conflict between Symmetra (Order) and Lucio (Chaos) in ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}''. Symmetra believed that order has to be upheld to create a better community. Unfortunately, due to her upbringing and working for Vishkar Corporation, widely believed to be an evil, corrupt company, some tends to miss that she's not a big fan of their underhanded tactics, only interested with order and was led to believe that Vishkar is doing things for an eventual greater good, the restoration of order. On the other hand, Lucio was a victim of Vishkar's attempt to impose their order (with a little help from Symmetra), and as a believer of people's freedom, he rose up by stealing Vishkar's technology and using it against them, granting freedom to the oppressed people and allowing him to do a dual-job between an international DJ at day, a freedom fighter at night. Symmetra obviously do not get along with Lucio, her doubts with Vishkar aside, she still saw him as no better than a thief, a street rat that rose to fame with dubious manners, unorderly, and he should at least return the technology he stole, while Lucio justifies himself with how [[AssholeVictim Vishkar was asking for it for oppressing his people first]] and [[JustLikeRobinHood it's for the oppressed people that needs freedom]] (which was dubbed by Symmetra as 'anarchy') and generally, he is not aware of Symmetra's personal doubts and thinks that she's just the same as the other corrupt Vishkar guys that oppressed his people, therefore, she has no validities in chastising him.

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* The trope forms the main backbone of the conflict between Symmetra (Order) and Lucio (Chaos) in ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}''. Symmetra believed that order has to be upheld to create a better community. Unfortunately, due to her upbringing and working for Vishkar Corporation, widely believed to be an evil, corrupt company, some tends to miss that she's not a big fan of their underhanded tactics, only interested with order and was led to believe that Vishkar is doing things for an eventual greater good, the restoration of order. On the other hand, Lucio was a victim of Vishkar's attempt to impose their order (with a little help from Symmetra), and as a believer of people's freedom, he rose up by stealing Vishkar's technology and using it against them, granting freedom to the oppressed people and allowing him to do a dual-job between an international DJ at day, a freedom fighter at night. Symmetra obviously do not get along with Lucio, her doubts with Vishkar aside, she still saw him as no better than a thief, a street rat that rose to fame with dubious manners, unorderly, dubious, unorderly manners and he should at least return the technology he stole, while Lucio justifies himself with how [[AssholeVictim Vishkar was asking for it for oppressing his people first]] and [[JustLikeRobinHood it's for the oppressed people that needs freedom]] (which was dubbed by Symmetra as 'anarchy') and generally, he is not aware of Symmetra's personal doubts and thinks that she's just the same as the other corrupt Vishkar guys that oppressed his people, therefore, she has no validities in chastising him.him when she's showing blind obedience to what he thinks to be [[ObviouslyEvil Obviously Corrupt]] company.
29th Dec '16 6:47:09 PM ChrisX
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* The trope forms the main backbone of the conflict between Symmetra (Order) and Lucio (Chaos) in ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}''. Symmetra believed that order has to be upheld to create a better community. Unfortunately, due to her upbringing and working for Vishkar Corporation, widely believed to be an evil, corrupt company, some tends to miss that she's not a big fan of their underhanded tactics, only interested with order and was led to believe that Vishkar is doing things for an eventual greater good, the restoration of order. On the other hand, Lucio was a victim of Vishkar's attempt to impose their order (with a little help from Symmetra), and as a believer of people's freedom, he rose up by stealing Vishkar's technology and using it against them, granting freedom to the oppressed people and allowing him to do a dual-job between an international DJ at day, a freedom fighter at night. Symmetra obviously do not get along with Lucio, her doubts with Vishkar aside, she still saw him as no better than a thief, a street rat that rose to fame with dubious manners, unorderly, and he should at least return the technology he stole, while Lucio justifies himself with how [[AssholeVictim Vishkar was asking for it for oppressing his people first]] and [[JustLikeRobinHood it's for the oppressed people that needs freedom]] (which was dubbed by Symmetra as 'anarchy') and generally, he is not aware of Symmetra's personal doubts and thinks that she's just the same as the other corrupt Vishkar guys that oppressed his people, therefore, she has no validities in chastising him.
19th Dec '16 6:15:41 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** ''Literature/LoomingShadow and ''Literature/ManaMutationMenace'' sees mana mutation become the latest front in the First War. If there is a magical illness in your world that can turn people into savage monsters, what is the best way to deal with it? Accept the danger and find a cure or reject it entirely and accept Order's domination?

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** ''Literature/LoomingShadow ''Literature/LoomingShadow'' and ''Literature/ManaMutationMenace'' sees see mana mutation become the latest front in the First War. If there is a magical illness in your world that can turn people into savage monsters, what is the best way to deal with it? Accept the danger and find a cure or reject it entirely and accept Order's domination?
10th Nov '16 5:24:23 PM nombretomado
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* In JohnCWright's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfChaos'', the central conflict of the setting is that of Cosmos vs. Chaos. The children are caught in the middle; indeed, one consideration when thinking of escaping back to their parents is that they aren't certain the forces of Chaos are right, even though the forces of Cosmos have been holding them hostage.

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* In JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfChaos'', the central conflict of the setting is that of Cosmos vs. Chaos. The children are caught in the middle; indeed, one consideration when thinking of escaping back to their parents is that they aren't certain the forces of Chaos are right, even though the forces of Cosmos have been holding them hostage.
6th Nov '16 1:27:12 PM nombretomado
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* The theme of Jonathan Hickman's ''ComicBook/{{SHIELD}}'' is a war between science as a force for change (represented by LeonardoDaVinci) and science as a means of control (represented by IsaacNewton). The lead character, the son of UsefulNotes/NikolaTesla, initially sides with Leonardo, before deciding both sides are wrong because they're locked into the idea there must ''be'' a war.

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* The theme of Jonathan Hickman's ''ComicBook/{{SHIELD}}'' is a war between science as a force for change (represented by LeonardoDaVinci) Creator/LeonardoDaVinci) and science as a means of control (represented by IsaacNewton).UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton). The lead character, the son of UsefulNotes/NikolaTesla, initially sides with Leonardo, before deciding both sides are wrong because they're locked into the idea there must ''be'' a war.
2nd Nov '16 4:38:32 PM nombretomado
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* In ''HisDarkMaterials'' chaos is good and order is evil. 'God' is the evil leader of a race that seeks to control and repress joy and passion, so the protagonists must RageAgainstTheHeavens.

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* In ''HisDarkMaterials'' ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' chaos is good and order is evil. 'God' is the evil leader of a race that seeks to control and repress joy and passion, so the protagonists must RageAgainstTheHeavens.
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