History Main / OppressiveStatesOfAmerica

10th May '17 4:52:51 PM Fireblood
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** In the flashbacks of the time leading up to the "official" founding of Gilead, things were not much better. Riot police respond to a march of people protesting the law stripping women of their property rights by firing on them with heavy machine guns.
9th May '17 10:42:48 PM Lanes17B
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** In the Southwest, Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were [[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/civil-rights-act/images/cr0024_enlarge.jpg collectively excluded from white establishments along with African-Americans]] and [[InsultToRocks dogs.]] Any Mexican accused of wrongdoing against a white person also faced [[http://latinousa.org/2016/03/11/the-history-of-anti-mexican-violence-and-lynching/ the same fate of an African-American under]] [[TorchesAndPitchforks similar]] [[VigilanteExecution circumstances.]]
** In California, the only reason the education department did not adopt draconian policies similar to those in [[TheDeepSouth Southern states]] was because the ruling of the [[http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/1986/april/lemongrove/ ''Lemon Grove'' case]] stated that racially segregating schools was illegal under California law.

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** * In the Southwest, Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were [[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/civil-rights-act/images/cr0024_enlarge.jpg collectively excluded from white establishments along with African-Americans]] and [[InsultToRocks dogs.]] Any Mexican accused of wrongdoing against a white person also faced [[http://latinousa.org/2016/03/11/the-history-of-anti-mexican-violence-and-lynching/ the same fate of an African-American under]] [[TorchesAndPitchforks similar]] [[VigilanteExecution circumstances.]]
** In California, the only reason the education department did not adopt draconian policies similar to those in [[TheDeepSouth Southern states]] was because the ruling of the [[http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/1986/april/lemongrove/ ''Lemon Grove'' case]] stated that racially segregating schools was illegal under California state law.
9th May '17 10:39:07 PM Lanes17B
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** In the Southwest, Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were collectively excluded from white establishments along with African-Americans and [[InsultToRocks dogs.]] Any Mexican accused of wrongdoing against a white person also faced the same fate of an African-American under [[[TorchesAndPitchforks similar]] [[VigilanteExecution circumstances.]] In California, the ''Lemon Grove'' case effectively ended the possibility that any future school districts within state borders could legally segregate their students on the basis of race.

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** In the Southwest, Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were [[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/civil-rights-act/images/cr0024_enlarge.jpg collectively excluded from white establishments along with African-Americans African-Americans]] and [[InsultToRocks dogs.]] Any Mexican accused of wrongdoing against a white person also faced [[http://latinousa.org/2016/03/11/the-history-of-anti-mexican-violence-and-lynching/ the same fate of an African-American under [[[TorchesAndPitchforks under]] [[TorchesAndPitchforks similar]] [[VigilanteExecution circumstances.]] ]]
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In California, the only reason the education department did not adopt draconian policies similar to those in [[TheDeepSouth Southern states]] was because the ruling of the [[http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/1986/april/lemongrove/ ''Lemon Grove'' case effectively ended the possibility case]] stated that any future school districts within state borders could legally segregate their students on the basis of race.racially segregating schools was illegal under California law.
3rd May '17 6:33:59 PM Fireblood
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** President UsefulNotes/WoodrowWilson would later revive these as justification for the imprisonment of anti-war activists, socialists and other dissidents during WWI.
* Sadly true for the Native Americans who saw their rights undermined from the beginning of the US and were forced to migrate westwards, [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny it got worse for them]].

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** President UsefulNotes/WoodrowWilson would later revive these pass similar laws as justification for the imprisonment of anti-war activists, socialists and other dissidents during WWI.
WWI. This continued after the war with the First Red Scare, 1919-20.
* Sadly true for the Native Americans Americans, who saw their rights undermined from the beginning of the US and were forced to migrate westwards, westwards. [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny it It got worse for them]].



** For as much as Confederate apologists use "state's rights" as a cause of the war today, the Confederate central government put any attempts to increase local autonomy down HARD.
** Let's not miss the forest for the trees here: slavery itself was awful, and went practically unchallenged for the country's first 90 years. During that time, African-Americans were treated the same as animals, and those who managed to gain their freedom lived in constant fear of being mistaken for a fugitive slave and sold back into slavery, as none of the authorities would have cared. Even for white people, democracy was kind of a sham, as speaking out against slavery in the wrong place could get you lynched, and poor people of any race couldn't vote until the 1830s.

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** For as much as Confederate apologists use "state's rights" as a cause of the war today, the Confederate central government put any attempts to increase local autonomy down HARD.
HARD. A good example is shown in ''Film/FreeStateOfJones'', when some Mississipi farmers seceded because of the army confiscation so much they hardly could survive.
** Let's not miss the forest for the trees here: slavery itself was awful, and went practically unchallenged for the country's first 90 years. During that time, African-Americans were treated the same as animals, and those who managed to gain their freedom lived in constant fear of being mistaken for a fugitive slave and sold back into slavery, as none of the authorities would have cared. Even for white people, democracy was kind of a sham, as speaking out against slavery in the wrong place could get you lynched, and poor people of any race couldn't vote until the 1830s.1830s (the Founding Fathers originally didn't even ''want'' a democracy, only a republic run by the wealthy).



* Leading up to the First Red Scare, the US' entrance into WWI was marked by a sharp increase in repressive measures towards pacifists, organized labor, socialists, Communists, German-Americans, immigrants, and other perceived subversive or disloyal elements. The Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918 led to raids and prosecutions. The German language was excised from public life, with German classes stopped and German books burned. The "Committee on Public Information" (Creel Committee) fed the public propaganda and helped direct repression and harassment towards perceived enemy sympathizers or pacifists.

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* Leading up to the First Red Scare, the US' entrance into WWI was marked by a sharp increase in repressive measures towards pacifists, organized labor, socialists, Communists, German-Americans, immigrants, and other perceived subversive or disloyal elements. The Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918 led to raids and prosecutions. The German language was excised from public life, with German classes stopped and German books burned. Some states even outlawed speaking German on the phone (ostensibly to stop spies from doing so). The "Committee on Public Information" (Creel Committee) fed the public propaganda and helped direct repression and harassment towards perceived enemy sympathizers or pacifists.



** The great irony of the Japanese Internment is the case of ''Korematsu v. United States'', in which the Supreme Court [[ValuesDissonance held the internment program to be Constitutional]]. It's a widely and rightly reviled decision, along with other infamous decisions like ''Dred Scott v. Sanford'', but it was also the birth of the Supreme Court's most rigorous and most important level of scrutiny: strict scrutiny. Most laws treating people differently based on their race or national origin are subject to strict scrutiny. Under a strict scrutiny analysis, a law is essentially presumed unconstitutional, and it requires an enormous showing from the government in order to survive. The government has only been able to meet this burden a handful of times. Through this standard, American courts demolished much of the racism inherent in governance, including segregation, Jim Crow, forced sterilizations, immigration quotas and court enforcement of racially restrictive covenants.

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** The great irony of the Japanese Internment is the case of ''Korematsu v. United States'', in which the Supreme Court [[ValuesDissonance held the internment program to be Constitutional]].constitutional]]. It's a widely and rightly reviled decision, along with other infamous decisions like ''Dred Scott v. Sanford'', but it was also the birth of the Supreme Court's most rigorous and most important level of scrutiny: strict scrutiny. Most laws treating people differently based on their race or national origin are subject to strict scrutiny. Under a strict scrutiny analysis, a law is essentially presumed unconstitutional, and it requires an enormous showing from the government in order to survive. The government has only been able to meet this burden a handful of times. Through this standard, American courts demolished much of the racism inherent in governance, including segregation, Jim Crow, forced sterilizations, immigration quotas and court enforcement of racially restrictive covenants.
3rd May '17 4:58:29 PM Erda
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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'', like the novel before it. It keeps the same setting as the book (Boston and Cambridge, MA), but ''seeing'' these real-world left-wing bastions transformed under an oppressive theocracy gives the series extra shock value.

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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'', like the novel before it. It keeps the same setting as the book (Boston and Cambridge, MA), but ''seeing'' these real-world left-wing those liberal bastions transformed under an oppressive theocracy gives the series extra shock value.
3rd May '17 4:57:46 PM Erda
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3rd May '17 4:57:20 PM Erda
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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'', like the novel before it. It adds the extra shock value of seeing the left-wing bastions of Boston and Cambridge, Massachusetts transformed under its oppressive, misogynistic theocracy.
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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'', like the novel before it. It adds keeps the extra shock value of seeing same setting as the book (Boston and Cambridge, MA), but ''seeing'' these real-world left-wing bastions of Boston and Cambridge, Massachusetts transformed under its oppressive, misogynistic theocracy.
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an oppressive theocracy gives the series extra shock value.
3rd May '17 4:54:42 PM Erda
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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'', like the novel before it. It adds the extra shock value of seeing the left-wing bastions of Boston and Cambridge, Massachusetts transformed under its oppressive, misogynistic theocracy.
1st Apr '17 12:36:24 PM BrendanRizzo
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** Let's not miss the forest for the trees here: slavery itself was awful, and went practically unchallenged for the country's first 90 years. During that time, African-Americans were treated the same as animals, and those who managed to gain their freedom lived in constant fear of being mistaken for a fugitive slave and sold back into slavery, as none of the authorities would have cared. Even for white people, democracy was kind of a sham, as speaking out against slavery in the wrong place could get you lynched, and poor people of any race couldn't vote until the 1830s.
30th Mar '17 8:11:37 AM ChronoLegion
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* ''Franchise/Civilization'': America is a mainstay Civ and can be played with any level of Government Opression. In fact, the starting government is almost always a chiefdom/despotism, meaning for much of the early game play, America is this. Notably in Civ V, America's AI was highly expansive and sought big empires, which almost demands that they pick the Communist inspired late game government.

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* ''Franchise/Civilization'': ''Franchise/{{Civilization}}'': America is a mainstay Civ and can be played with any level of Government Opression. In fact, the starting government is almost always a chiefdom/despotism, meaning for much of the early game play, America is this. Notably in Civ V, America's AI was highly expansive and sought big empires, which almost demands that they pick the Communist inspired late game government.
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