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23rd Jan '17 9:46:42 AM Noah1
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It's also just as likely that both mentors are good but disagree on some key point. In this case it's far more likely that the hero will either remain neutral and learn from both of them or that one of them will [[MentorOccupationalHazard die or turn evil]]. Sometimes one of the mentors is proved to be right (in which case the other mentor is likely to accept that and mend their ways or, as you might guess, turn evil). Other times the hero will, through accepting both their philosophies, surpass them both (generally by becoming a JackOfAllStats).

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It's also just as likely that [[BothSidesHaveAPoint both mentors are good but disagree on some key point.point]]. In this case it's far more likely that the hero will either remain neutral and learn from both of them or that one of them will [[MentorOccupationalHazard die or turn evil]]. Sometimes one of the mentors is proved to be right (in which case the other mentor is likely to accept that and mend their ways or, as you might guess, turn evil). Other times the hero will, through accepting both their philosophies, surpass them both (generally by becoming a JackOfAllStats).



Ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TaughtByExperience and TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.

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Ways GentleTouchVsFirmHand is a SubTrope. Other ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TaughtByExperience and TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.



** Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight scene between the two.

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** Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight MudWrestling scene between the two.
6th Jan '17 10:57:34 AM kquinn0830
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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' is about a kid called Calogero growing up under the conflicting influences of his hard-working, honest, but poor father, and the charismatic, rich and powerful, AffablyEvil local mafia don Sonny.

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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' is about a kid called Calogero growing up under the conflicting influences of his hard-working, honest, but poor father, and the charismatic, rich and powerful, AffablyEvil local mafia don Sonny. Subverted in that [[NotSoDifferent both of them want the same future for him]]: doing well in school so he can go to college and stay out of trouble.
29th Jun '16 12:43:53 AM thatmadork
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': This often comes up when [[TheSmartGuy Pearl]] and [[TheBigGuy Amethyst]] are trying to tutor [[KidHero Steven]]. Pearl seems to be more of a rigid [[ParentalSubstitute motherly-figure]] to Steven while Amethyst is a more irresponsible but more fun CoolBigSis. Ultimately {{Downplayed|Trope}} as the two will always defer to [[TheAce Garnet]]'s judgement anytime she intervenes.
1st Feb '16 1:42:41 PM LentilSandEater
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*''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'': In season two Korra ends up with two mentors. The Chief of the Northern Water Tribe who is also her uncle, Unalaq. And the Airbending master Tenzin, the son of her previous incarnation. Unalaq wants to teach her how to understand and heal the new corrupted spirits [[spoiler: which he is responsible for twisting.]] While Tenzin has his doubts about Unalaq's intentions and wants her to work with himself. In the end Korra rejects [[spoiler: Unalaq]] but goes along with part of his goal.
7th Jan '16 6:13:31 PM ChaoticNovelist
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Ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.

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Ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TaughtByExperience and TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.



* ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': Kenichi once finds himself in a situation where he can choose between Hayato's and EvilMentor Ogata's mentorship. It's very tempting for Kenichi because previously Hayato seemingly abandoned him and Ogata seems like a very friendly person. The catch is that the TricksterMentor Hayato himself put Kenichi in this situation to [[SecretTest test his moral priorities]].

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* ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': Kenichi ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'':
**Kenichi
once finds himself in a situation where he can choose between Hayato's and EvilMentor Ogata's mentorship. It's very tempting for Kenichi because previously Hayato seemingly abandoned him and Ogata seems like a very friendly person. The catch is that the TricksterMentor Hayato himself put Kenichi in this situation to [[SecretTest test his moral priorities]].priorities]].
**Within Ryuzanpaku itself, this is an averted trope. Despite one student having as many as ''seven'' mentors, each with their own style, there is no conflict between them. They take turns using rock/paper/scissors. Perhaps this is because they all believe in TrainingFromHell?



* In ''Literature/GoodOmens'', Heaven and Hell both send hand-picked childhood influences (a nanny, a gardener, two teachers) to the home of the boy they think is {{The Antichrist}}. It's the wrong boy.
** Though in this case it's also intentional; Crowley and Aziraphale are secretly in cahoots to make sure the final "score" is a tie.

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* In ''Literature/GoodOmens'', Heaven and Hell both send hand-picked childhood influences (a nanny, a gardener, two teachers) to the home of the boy they think is {{The Antichrist}}. It's the wrong boy.
** Though in this case it's
boy. It's also intentional; Crowley and Aziraphale are secretly in cahoots to make sure the final "score" is a tie.



* In ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight scene between the two.
** Zuko also had the dueling influences of his [[BigBad father]], a power-mad warlord attempting to raise his son to follow in his footsteps (or get him killed so his [[DaddysLittleVillain sister]] could do so, whatever) and his [[CoolUncle uncle]], a wise [[TheAtoner Atoner]][=/=]DefectorFromDecadence who wanted his nephew to pursue peace on taking the throne.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''
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Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight scene between the two.
** Zuko also had the dueling influences of his [[BigBad father]], a power-mad warlord attempting to raise his son to follow in his footsteps (or get him killed so his [[DaddysLittleVillain sister]] could do so, whatever) and his [[CoolUncle uncle]], a wise [[TheAtoner Atoner]][=/=]DefectorFromDecadence who wanted his nephew to pursue peace on taking the throne.
28th Nov '15 11:36:58 AM nombretomado
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* In ''{{Scrubs}}'' [[DrJerk Dr. Kelso]] and [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Dr. Cox]] have this dynamic for the first few episodes, with both being presented as possible mentors to JD. With Dr. Kelso being concerned with money (arguing that if the hospital doesn't make a profit, it'll close) and Dr. Cox arguing that the patient should come first. JD chooses Cox, earning him Kelso's contempt (although later episodes show Kelso in a better light). They recycled this plot a few times;

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* In ''{{Scrubs}}'' ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' [[DrJerk Dr. Kelso]] and [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Dr. Cox]] have this dynamic for the first few episodes, with both being presented as possible mentors to JD. With Dr. Kelso being concerned with money (arguing that if the hospital doesn't make a profit, it'll close) and Dr. Cox arguing that the patient should come first. JD chooses Cox, earning him Kelso's contempt (although later episodes show Kelso in a better light). They recycled this plot a few times;
14th Oct '15 8:58:11 PM Elan
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** Though in this case it's also intentional; Crowley and Aziraphale are secretly in cahoots to make sure the final "score" is a tie.
23rd Jul '15 12:54:43 PM ChaoticNovelist
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{{Mentor}}s are always helpful to any self respecting hero. Not only can they pass on knowledge or training, but also points of view, philosophies and even allies (or possibly [[GuiltByAssociation enemies...]]). Unfortunately, sometimes TheHero is particularly talented (or maybe in the right place at the right time) and has more than one mentor trying to recruit them as a student...and they almost always have opposing philosophies.

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{{Mentor}}s are always helpful to any self respecting hero. Not only can they pass on knowledge or training, but also points of view, philosophies and even allies (or possibly [[GuiltByAssociation enemies...]]). Unfortunately, sometimes TheHero is particularly talented (or maybe in the right place at the right time) and has more than one mentor trying to recruit them as a student...and they almost always have opposing philosophies.
15th Jul '15 12:48:06 AM Argon2
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* In ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'', the player encounters two kung fu masters playing [[VariantChess Yi]]. They complement each other [[{{Foil}} in every way]]- one is a Closed Fist practitioner who's disdainful of the player, the other is a polite Open Palm. (They used to be teacher and student, but split over ideological differences.) The player can learn from one- and ''only'' one- of these masters.
-->'''Mistress Vo:''' You taught me much, Jian- but the most valuable lessons were in learning where you were wrong.
22nd Jun '15 2:34:30 PM TompaDompa
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* ''StarWars'': Anakin Skywalker has to choose between following Obi-Wan Kenobi -- representing both Jedi tradition and authority, and general goodness -- and Palpatine -- representing an apparent sensible opposition to Jedi strictness really hiding lust for power and temptation to evil. For a long time, as Palpatine hides his evil and lets Anakin stew in his own dissatisfaction rather than openly encouraging rebellion against Obi-Wan, he doesn't even realise there's a clear opposition. Eventually, he chooses Palpatine and turns to the DarkSide.

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* ''StarWars'': ''Film/StarWars'': Anakin Skywalker has to choose between following Obi-Wan Kenobi -- representing both Jedi tradition and authority, and general goodness -- and Palpatine -- representing an apparent sensible opposition to Jedi strictness really hiding lust for power and temptation to evil. For a long time, as Palpatine hides his evil and lets Anakin stew in his own dissatisfaction rather than openly encouraging rebellion against Obi-Wan, he doesn't even realise there's a clear opposition. Eventually, he chooses Palpatine and turns to the DarkSide.
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