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29th Apr '17 10:54:03 AM nombretomado
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* In ''ElTigre'' Manny had his dad, the hero White Pandera, and his grandfather, the villain Puma Loco.

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* In ''ElTigre'' ''WesternAnimation/ElTigreTheAdventuresOfMannyRivera'' Manny had his dad, the hero White Pandera, and his grandfather, the villain Puma Loco.
17th Apr '17 8:54:17 PM eschlowx
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* ''Film/GoodWillHunting'': Will has Sean Maguire and Gerald Lambeau arguing about what direction he should take his life in. Lambeau is convinced that Will has a duty to use his genius-level abilities and become an academic like him, while Sean believes that he first needs to find himself and deal with his demons before he can go forward in life.
21st Feb '17 6:45:44 AM Kakai
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* In ''Literature/TheWitchlands'', Aeduen is pulled from both sides by Ragnor's and Evraine's teachings. The former argues that Aeduen should concede to being a demon and embrace his nature, whereas Evraine believes that he's more human that he wants to admit and should help the newly-manifested Cahr Awen.
23rd Jan '17 9:46:42 AM Noah1
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It's also just as likely that both mentors are good but disagree on some key point. In this case it's far more likely that the hero will either remain neutral and learn from both of them or that one of them will [[MentorOccupationalHazard die or turn evil]]. Sometimes one of the mentors is proved to be right (in which case the other mentor is likely to accept that and mend their ways or, as you might guess, turn evil). Other times the hero will, through accepting both their philosophies, surpass them both (generally by becoming a JackOfAllStats).

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It's also just as likely that [[BothSidesHaveAPoint both mentors are good but disagree on some key point.point]]. In this case it's far more likely that the hero will either remain neutral and learn from both of them or that one of them will [[MentorOccupationalHazard die or turn evil]]. Sometimes one of the mentors is proved to be right (in which case the other mentor is likely to accept that and mend their ways or, as you might guess, turn evil). Other times the hero will, through accepting both their philosophies, surpass them both (generally by becoming a JackOfAllStats).



Ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TaughtByExperience and TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.

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Ways GentleTouchVsFirmHand is a SubTrope. Other ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TaughtByExperience and TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.



** Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight scene between the two.

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** Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight MudWrestling scene between the two.
6th Jan '17 10:57:34 AM kquinn0830
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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' is about a kid called Calogero growing up under the conflicting influences of his hard-working, honest, but poor father, and the charismatic, rich and powerful, AffablyEvil local mafia don Sonny.

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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' is about a kid called Calogero growing up under the conflicting influences of his hard-working, honest, but poor father, and the charismatic, rich and powerful, AffablyEvil local mafia don Sonny. Subverted in that [[NotSoDifferent both of them want the same future for him]]: doing well in school so he can go to college and stay out of trouble.
29th Jun '16 12:43:53 AM thatmadork
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': This often comes up when [[TheSmartGuy Pearl]] and [[TheBigGuy Amethyst]] are trying to tutor [[KidHero Steven]]. Pearl seems to be more of a rigid [[ParentalSubstitute motherly-figure]] to Steven while Amethyst is a more irresponsible but more fun CoolBigSis. Ultimately {{Downplayed|Trope}} as the two will always defer to [[TheAce Garnet]]'s judgement anytime she intervenes.
1st Feb '16 1:42:41 PM LentilSandEater
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*''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'': In season two Korra ends up with two mentors. The Chief of the Northern Water Tribe who is also her uncle, Unalaq. And the Airbending master Tenzin, the son of her previous incarnation. Unalaq wants to teach her how to understand and heal the new corrupted spirits [[spoiler: which he is responsible for twisting.]] While Tenzin has his doubts about Unalaq's intentions and wants her to work with himself. In the end Korra rejects [[spoiler: Unalaq]] but goes along with part of his goal.
7th Jan '16 6:13:31 PM ChaoticNovelist
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Ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.

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Ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TaughtByExperience and TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.



* ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': Kenichi once finds himself in a situation where he can choose between Hayato's and EvilMentor Ogata's mentorship. It's very tempting for Kenichi because previously Hayato seemingly abandoned him and Ogata seems like a very friendly person. The catch is that the TricksterMentor Hayato himself put Kenichi in this situation to [[SecretTest test his moral priorities]].

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* ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': Kenichi ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'':
**Kenichi
once finds himself in a situation where he can choose between Hayato's and EvilMentor Ogata's mentorship. It's very tempting for Kenichi because previously Hayato seemingly abandoned him and Ogata seems like a very friendly person. The catch is that the TricksterMentor Hayato himself put Kenichi in this situation to [[SecretTest test his moral priorities]].priorities]].
**Within Ryuzanpaku itself, this is an averted trope. Despite one student having as many as ''seven'' mentors, each with their own style, there is no conflict between them. They take turns using rock/paper/scissors. Perhaps this is because they all believe in TrainingFromHell?



* In ''Literature/GoodOmens'', Heaven and Hell both send hand-picked childhood influences (a nanny, a gardener, two teachers) to the home of the boy they think is {{The Antichrist}}. It's the wrong boy.
** Though in this case it's also intentional; Crowley and Aziraphale are secretly in cahoots to make sure the final "score" is a tie.

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* In ''Literature/GoodOmens'', Heaven and Hell both send hand-picked childhood influences (a nanny, a gardener, two teachers) to the home of the boy they think is {{The Antichrist}}. It's the wrong boy.
** Though in this case it's
boy. It's also intentional; Crowley and Aziraphale are secretly in cahoots to make sure the final "score" is a tie.



* In ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight scene between the two.
** Zuko also had the dueling influences of his [[BigBad father]], a power-mad warlord attempting to raise his son to follow in his footsteps (or get him killed so his [[DaddysLittleVillain sister]] could do so, whatever) and his [[CoolUncle uncle]], a wise [[TheAtoner Atoner]][=/=]DefectorFromDecadence who wanted his nephew to pursue peace on taking the throne.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''
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Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight scene between the two.
** Zuko also had the dueling influences of his [[BigBad father]], a power-mad warlord attempting to raise his son to follow in his footsteps (or get him killed so his [[DaddysLittleVillain sister]] could do so, whatever) and his [[CoolUncle uncle]], a wise [[TheAtoner Atoner]][=/=]DefectorFromDecadence who wanted his nephew to pursue peace on taking the throne.
28th Nov '15 11:36:58 AM nombretomado
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* In ''{{Scrubs}}'' [[DrJerk Dr. Kelso]] and [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Dr. Cox]] have this dynamic for the first few episodes, with both being presented as possible mentors to JD. With Dr. Kelso being concerned with money (arguing that if the hospital doesn't make a profit, it'll close) and Dr. Cox arguing that the patient should come first. JD chooses Cox, earning him Kelso's contempt (although later episodes show Kelso in a better light). They recycled this plot a few times;

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* In ''{{Scrubs}}'' ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' [[DrJerk Dr. Kelso]] and [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Dr. Cox]] have this dynamic for the first few episodes, with both being presented as possible mentors to JD. With Dr. Kelso being concerned with money (arguing that if the hospital doesn't make a profit, it'll close) and Dr. Cox arguing that the patient should come first. JD chooses Cox, earning him Kelso's contempt (although later episodes show Kelso in a better light). They recycled this plot a few times;
14th Oct '15 8:58:11 PM Elan
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** Though in this case it's also intentional; Crowley and Aziraphale are secretly in cahoots to make sure the final "score" is a tie.
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