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13th Aug '17 5:08:08 PM nombretomado
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* ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'':

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* ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': ''Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'':
18th Jul '17 5:53:04 PM DocJamore
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OpposedMentors are an excellent opportunity for character development; the hero is given a choice between them, and the one he chooses (and whether he comes to regret it eventually) can represent what the hero is on the path to becoming (or [[EvilMentor risks becoming]]). Expect the mentors to alternately argue with each other by proxy as they give the hero advice (The hero may be "[[VisualPun trapped]]" between them as they shout back and forth, eventually ignoring the hero all together in favour of their opinion). If one of the mentors is evil you can almost guarantee that they were once a student of the other mentor and if not, that both mentors were students of the same master (who the evil mentor no doubt betrayed, although a good mentor being a DefectorFromDecadence isn't unheard of).

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OpposedMentors Opposed Mentors are an excellent opportunity for character development; the hero is given a choice between them, and the one he chooses (and whether he comes to regret it eventually) can represent what the hero is on the path to becoming (or [[EvilMentor risks becoming]]). Expect the mentors to alternately argue with each other by proxy as they give the hero advice (The hero may be "[[VisualPun trapped]]" between them as they shout back and forth, eventually ignoring the hero all together in favour of their opinion). If one of the mentors is evil you can almost guarantee that they were once a student of the other mentor and if not, that both mentors were students of the same master (who the evil mentor no doubt betrayed, although a good mentor being a DefectorFromDecadence isn't unheard of).
11th Jul '17 12:57:42 PM kquinn0830
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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' is about a kid called Calogero growing up under the conflicting influences of his hard-working, honest, but poor father, and the charismatic, rich and powerful, AffablyEvil local mafia don Sonny. Subverted in that [[NotSoDifferent both of them want the same future for him]]: doing well in school so he can go to college and stay out of trouble.

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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' is a {{Subversion}}. The movie is about a kid called Calogero growing up under the conflicting influences of his hard-working, honest, but poor father, and the charismatic, rich and powerful, AffablyEvil local mafia don Sonny. Subverted in that Despite their different social standings and lifestyles, [[NotSoDifferent both of them want the same future for him]]: doing well in school so he can go to college and stay out of trouble.trouble. The real difference is that Lorenzo just wants him to keep his head down and off the streets while Sonny wants to teach him street smarts so he knows how to navigate trouble and avoid it.
11th Jun '17 8:14:10 PM nombretomado
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* ''XenaWarriorPrincess'': In Xena's backstory the evil shamaness Alti is pitted against Cyane, the noble Queen of the Amazons. They even have a mental struggle with Xena literally between them. Cyane wins, but Xena [[spoiler:chooses Alti, and kills Cyane and the other leaders of the northern Amazons, helping Alti to trap their souls and prevent them from crossing over. Xena eventually sets things right.]] Alti is also pitted against Lao Ma, though they never directly argue over Xena.

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* ''XenaWarriorPrincess'': ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'': In Xena's backstory the evil shamaness Alti is pitted against Cyane, the noble Queen of the Amazons. They even have a mental struggle with Xena literally between them. Cyane wins, but Xena [[spoiler:chooses Alti, and kills Cyane and the other leaders of the northern Amazons, helping Alti to trap their souls and prevent them from crossing over. Xena eventually sets things right.]] Alti is also pitted against Lao Ma, though they never directly argue over Xena.
29th Apr '17 10:54:03 AM nombretomado
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* In ''ElTigre'' Manny had his dad, the hero White Pandera, and his grandfather, the villain Puma Loco.

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* In ''ElTigre'' ''WesternAnimation/ElTigreTheAdventuresOfMannyRivera'' Manny had his dad, the hero White Pandera, and his grandfather, the villain Puma Loco.
17th Apr '17 8:54:17 PM eschlowx
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* ''Film/GoodWillHunting'': Will has Sean Maguire and Gerald Lambeau arguing about what direction he should take his life in. Lambeau is convinced that Will has a duty to use his genius-level abilities and become an academic like him, while Sean believes that he first needs to find himself and deal with his demons before he can go forward in life.
21st Feb '17 6:45:44 AM Kakai
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* In ''Literature/TheWitchlands'', Aeduen is pulled from both sides by Ragnor's and Evraine's teachings. The former argues that Aeduen should concede to being a demon and embrace his nature, whereas Evraine believes that he's more human that he wants to admit and should help the newly-manifested Cahr Awen.
23rd Jan '17 9:46:42 AM Noah1
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It's also just as likely that both mentors are good but disagree on some key point. In this case it's far more likely that the hero will either remain neutral and learn from both of them or that one of them will [[MentorOccupationalHazard die or turn evil]]. Sometimes one of the mentors is proved to be right (in which case the other mentor is likely to accept that and mend their ways or, as you might guess, turn evil). Other times the hero will, through accepting both their philosophies, surpass them both (generally by becoming a JackOfAllStats).

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It's also just as likely that [[BothSidesHaveAPoint both mentors are good but disagree on some key point.point]]. In this case it's far more likely that the hero will either remain neutral and learn from both of them or that one of them will [[MentorOccupationalHazard die or turn evil]]. Sometimes one of the mentors is proved to be right (in which case the other mentor is likely to accept that and mend their ways or, as you might guess, turn evil). Other times the hero will, through accepting both their philosophies, surpass them both (generally by becoming a JackOfAllStats).



Ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TaughtByExperience and TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.

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Ways GentleTouchVsFirmHand is a SubTrope. Other ways mentors can be opposed include, but are by no means limited to: training regimes (WaxOnWaxOff versus TrainingFromHell), ethics (WithGreatPower verses MightMakesRight), choice of techniques (MagicVersusScience or FighterMageThief can both be a source of duality), whether talent matters (HardWorkHardlyWorks and TheGift versus TaughtByExperience and TrainingFromHell) and progress ([[ObsoleteMentor the new ways]] versus the GoodOldWays). See also DuelingMessiahs, who are more concerned with doing right by the world than just one person.



** Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight scene between the two.

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** Katara and Toph have ''very'' different opinions on how Aang should be trained. Katara, his [[MakingASplash waterbending teacher]] goes for the soft, encouraging, positive attitude, while Toph, his [[DishingOutDirt earthbending teacher]], prefers the rougher, blunter, drill sergeant style. This culminates in an interesting mud-fight MudWrestling scene between the two.
6th Jan '17 10:57:34 AM kquinn0830
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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' is about a kid called Calogero growing up under the conflicting influences of his hard-working, honest, but poor father, and the charismatic, rich and powerful, AffablyEvil local mafia don Sonny.

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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' is about a kid called Calogero growing up under the conflicting influences of his hard-working, honest, but poor father, and the charismatic, rich and powerful, AffablyEvil local mafia don Sonny. Subverted in that [[NotSoDifferent both of them want the same future for him]]: doing well in school so he can go to college and stay out of trouble.
29th Jun '16 12:43:53 AM thatmadork
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': This often comes up when [[TheSmartGuy Pearl]] and [[TheBigGuy Amethyst]] are trying to tutor [[KidHero Steven]]. Pearl seems to be more of a rigid [[ParentalSubstitute motherly-figure]] to Steven while Amethyst is a more irresponsible but more fun CoolBigSis. Ultimately {{Downplayed|Trope}} as the two will always defer to [[TheAce Garnet]]'s judgement anytime she intervenes.
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