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13th Apr '16 11:21:49 AM DragonRanger
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** In the case of ''Daredevil'', the MCU-set [[Series/{{Daredevil|2015}} Netflix series]] really was received better than [[Film/{{Daredevil}} the Fox movie]], reinforcing the view. The hope is now that the series' upcoming treatment of Elektra and the Punisher will be better [[Film/{{Elektra}} than]] [[Film/ThePunisher1989 their]] [[Film/ThePunisher2004 movies]] [[Film/PunisherWarZone were]].
** Averted by ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}''. Not only was it successful without Marvel's involvement, but there are fears that Deadpool being part of the MCU would require a tonal shift away from what helped ''make'' his movie a success - it's filled to the brim with profanity, gore, and BlackComedy; having too much adult content for a family-friendly franchise and being too wacky for the MCU's serious, mature-audiences Netflix arm.

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** In the case of ''Daredevil'', the MCU-set [[Series/{{Daredevil|2015}} Netflix series]] really was received better than [[Film/{{Daredevil}} the Fox movie]], reinforcing the view. The hope is now that the series' upcoming same goes for Season Two's treatment of Elektra and the Punisher will be better [[Film/{{Elektra}} than]] Punisher, which received high praise when [[Film/ThePunisher1989 their]] his]] [[Film/ThePunisher2004 movies]] own]] [[Film/PunisherWarZone were]].
movies]] didn't. Elektra, also debuting in Season Two, didn't get the same universal praise the Punisher did, but it's probably safe to say that it was a better response than [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own movie]] got.
** Averted by ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}''. Not only was it successful without Marvel's involvement, but there are fears that Deadpool being part of the MCU would require a tonal shift away from what helped ''make'' his movie a success - it's filled to the brim with profanity, gore, sex jokes, and BlackComedy; having too much adult content for a family-friendly franchise and being too wacky for the MCU's serious, mature-audiences Netflix arm.
28th Mar '16 5:19:09 AM OlfinBedwere
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* The two best-received ''Franchise/{{Asterix}}'' animated films, ''Asterix and Cleopatra'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheTwelveTasksOfAsterix'', are also the ones that were written and directed by series creators Rene Goscinny and Albert Uderzo. None of the other ones are generally considered ''that'' bad, but the only two to be up near the ones that Goscinny and Uderzo themselves directed were ''Asterix vs. Caesar'' and ''Asterix in Britain'', which lacked any hands-on involvement from Uderzo (Goscinny had died by this point), but were written by Pierre Tchernia, who was involved in making ''Cleopatra'' and ''Twelve Tasks''.
25th Mar '16 6:35:30 AM TheRedRedKroovy
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* Fans of the ''Franchise/{{Scream}}'' series view Kevin Williamson, the writer of [[Film/{{Scream 1996}} the first]] [[Film/{{Scream 2}} two films]], as the only person who can get the characters right. ''Film/{{Scream 3}}'' was written by Ehren Kruger due to Williamson having commitments to other projects, and is nowadays seen as the worst film in the series, and while ''Film/{{Scream 4}}'' saw Williamson come back to the series, Kruger was also credited for rewrites, and many fans blame the film's weaker moments on him. Worst of all was [[Series/ScreamTVSeries the TV adaptation]], which neither Williamson, Kruger, nor the films' director Creator/WesCraven had any creative involvement in (barring a producer credit for Craven), and which has been lambasted by fans.
21st Mar '16 1:23:55 PM freefall4242
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** This trope was invoked from the moment the movie was conceived by Speilburg and Kubrick ''towards each other''. Kubrick didn't think he had the heart to pull it off and believed Spielburg was the better man for the job, while Spielburg didn't think he had the artistic finesse and insisted Kubrick should direct. The two might still be volleying the idea back and forth to this day if Kubrick hadn't passed away.
17th Mar '16 2:40:16 PM FourthDerivative
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** On the other hand, Creator/HideoKojima and Creator/GuillermoDelToro's [[VideoGame/SilentHills take on the franchise]] (or at least the playable teaser for it) was generally well-received. Whether or not the full game would have lived up to the hype, we'll probably never know.
8th Mar '16 11:33:45 AM matruz
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** The same goes for the music, the first two games were scored by Jack Wall which fans unanimously agreed that he made a [[AwesomeMusic/MassEffect fantastic job]]; the third game on the other hand, although it featured a few original pieces from Creator/ClintMansell which the fanbase says they're quite good in their own right, most fans agree that the old recycled music from the previous games and the new pieces from their supporting composer, Sam Hulick, don't quite reach the quality of Jack Wall.

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** The same goes for the music, the first two games were scored by Jack Wall which fans unanimously agreed that he made a [[AwesomeMusic/MassEffect fantastic job]]; the third game on the other hand, although it featured a few original pieces from Creator/ClintMansell Music/ClintMansell which the fanbase says they're quite good in their own right, most fans agree that the old [[RecycledSoundtrack recycled music music]] from the previous games and the new pieces from their supporting composer, Sam Hulick, overall don't quite reach the quality of Jack Wall.
25th Feb '16 9:40:40 AM erforce
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* The first two ''Film/XMen'' films were directed by Creator/BryanSinger, while the third one, ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'', was helmed by Brett Ratner, and is considered by many fans to be a huge step down in quality. ''XMenFirstClass'', which was produced and co-written by Singer, was much better received. Ultimately cemented with ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' by having Singer back in the director's chair and getting an overwhelmingly positive reception, with many calling it the best in the franchise so far.

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* The first two ''Film/XMen'' films were directed by Creator/BryanSinger, while the third one, ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'', was helmed by Brett Ratner, and is considered by many fans to be a huge step down in quality. ''XMenFirstClass'', ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', which was produced and co-written by Singer, was much better received. Ultimately cemented with ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' by having Singer back in the director's chair and getting an overwhelmingly positive reception, with many calling it the best in the franchise so far.



** Zigzagged with ''Spider-Man'', as the first two films of [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy the original trilogy]] are well-regarded but the third is divisive; and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries the following reboot]] suffered some from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony has since struck a deal to reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing.

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** Zigzagged with ''Spider-Man'', ''Franchise/SpiderMan'', as the first two films of [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy the original trilogy]] are well-regarded but the third is divisive; and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries the following reboot]] suffered some from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony has since struck a deal to reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing.



* Richard Donner directed ''Film/{{Superman}}'', and got fired halfway through ''Film/SupermanII''. His cut of the sequel, which emerged in 2006, is generally considered better than the theatrical cut by Richard Lester. Of course, in this case it wasn't the name. There was a push to go LighterAndSofter that would culminate in the [[CanonDiscontinuity now disowned]] ''Film/SupermanIII,'' and the Donner cut has less of the slapstick that was forced upon them.

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* Richard Donner directed ''Film/{{Superman}}'', ''Film/SupermanTheMovie'', and got fired halfway through ''Film/SupermanII''. His cut of the sequel, which emerged in 2006, is generally considered better than the theatrical cut by Richard Lester. Of course, in this case it wasn't the name. There was a push to go LighterAndSofter that would culminate in the [[CanonDiscontinuity now disowned]] ''Film/SupermanIII,'' and the Donner cut has less of the slapstick that was forced upon them.



* ''Film/TheBourneSeries'': ZigZagged with MyRealDaddy, as one may argue that the Bourne series [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]] with directors Doug Liman and Paul Greengrass. With ''The Bourne Identity'', Liman gave the film a unique style, but it was Greengrass who would flesh it out in its sequels ''The Bourne Supremacy'' and ''The Bourne Ultimatum'', with Liman still involved as executive producer, garnering even greater acclaim. But when Greengrass turned down the offer to direct ''The Bourne Legacy'', Creator/MattDamon left with him, saying he wouldn't do any more movies without him, and Liman left too. This is part of why ''Legacy'' hasn't been as well-received as its predecessors.

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* ''Film/TheBourneSeries'': ZigZagged with MyRealDaddy, as one may argue that the Bourne series [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]] with directors Doug Liman and Paul Greengrass. With ''The Bourne Identity'', ''Film/TheBourneIdentity'', Liman gave the film a unique style, but it was Greengrass who would flesh it out in its sequels ''The Bourne Supremacy'' ''Film/TheBourneSupremacy'' and ''The Bourne Ultimatum'', ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'', with Liman still involved as executive producer, garnering even greater acclaim. But when Greengrass turned down the offer to direct ''The Bourne Legacy'', ''Film/TheBourneLegacy'', Creator/MattDamon left with him, saying he wouldn't do any more movies without him, and Liman left too. This is part of why ''Legacy'' hasn't been as well-received as its predecessors.



* The ''Literature/JamesBond'' novels written after Creator/IanFleming's death are nowhere near as famous as the ones Ian Fleming wrote (nor as typically well-received). Of course, there wasn't really any other way around the AuthorExistenceFailure.

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* The ''Literature/JamesBond'' novels written after Creator/IanFleming's death are nowhere near as famous as the ones Ian Fleming wrote written by him (nor as typically well-received). Of course, there wasn't really any other way around the AuthorExistenceFailure.
25th Feb '16 8:41:48 AM OlfinBedwere
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* An odd variation happened with the ''VideoGame/WingCommander'' series, where the fifth game, the only one to be made without any involvement from series creator Chris Roberts, is usually considered the worst game in the series by far (not counting spin-off titles). However, Roberts ''was'' responsible for the ''[[Film/WingCommander Wing Commander]]'' movie, which got a reception even worse than that of the fifth game.
21st Feb '16 1:35:39 PM MisterCPC
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* In an interesting case that actually does mix in a bit of MyRealDaddy, while Ciro Nieli has remained on the new [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012 Ninja Turtles]] cartoon, Joshua Sternin and J.R. Ventimilia, who were also heavily involved with its development as well as the original head writers for the series, both took off after the first season was over. Opinions on seasons two and more recently three have notably been much more divided between fans.

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* In an interesting case that actually does mix in a bit of MyRealDaddy, while Ciro Nieli has remained on the new [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012 Ninja Turtles]] cartoon, Joshua Sternin and J.R. Ventimilia, who were also heavily involved with its development as well as the original head writers for the series, both took off after the first season was over. Opinions on seasons two and more recently three onward have notably been much more divided between fans.
20th Feb '16 6:06:59 PM Ramona122003
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** ''Franchise/DragonBall'' gets the same sentiment. The ''Dragon Ball'' movies are considered subpar to good, with a few fan-favorites like the Cooler and Broly movies, except movie 11 which is considered the worst, along with movies 1, 9 and 13. The two movies with direct input from Toriyama, ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', are universally consider the best movies with rave reviews. They are also canon and been adaptive into ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''. ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' is often use as case study of what happens when Toriyama has little to no involvement. And let's not even get started on ''Film/DragonballEvolution''.

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** ''Franchise/DragonBall'' gets the same sentiment. The ''Dragon Ball'' movies are considered subpar to good, with a few fan-favorites like the Cooler and Broly movies, except movie 11 which is considered the worst, along with movies 1, 9 9, and 13. The two movies with direct input from Toriyama, ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', are universally consider the best movies with rave reviews. They are also canon and been adaptive into ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''. ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' is often use as case study of what happens when Toriyama has little to no involvement. And let's not even get started on ''Film/DragonballEvolution''.
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