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1st Feb '16 2:06:25 PM TheWanderer
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[[folder:Comic Books]] * ''ComicBook/{{Lazarus}}'' takes place in a FeudalFuture where society as we know it has collapsed and the families that controlled {{Mega Corp}}s have become the new nobility of the Earth. The setting strongly embraces BlackAndGrayMorality, and the best that people living under control of these families can hope for is benign neglect, and [[PragmaticVillainy possible comfort if you make yourself useful to the future of a family]], while the worst includes living in squalor as part of the brainwashed masses and being killed off by genetically engineered bioweapons or SuperSoldiers if one of these families decides that [[KillThePoor the population has grown too large to be supported]]. [[/folder]]
17th Jan '16 5:05:03 PM nombretomado
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* ''StarControl II'''s Druuge of the Persei system take this trope to a ridiculous extent: The Crimson Corporation is not only a government substitute, but owns all the natural resources and inhabitants as well. Druuge who quit (or are fired from) the corporation are instantly found guilty of stealing "company property" (air) and are sentenced to death. Druuge who are no longer useful, cannot work, or are in debt are tossed into the reactors of the nearest power station to be used as fuel. Retirees can breathe at a reduced rate.
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* ''StarControl II'''s ''VideoGame/StarControlII'''s Druuge of the Persei system take this trope to a ridiculous extent: The Crimson Corporation is not only a government substitute, but owns all the natural resources and inhabitants as well. Druuge who quit (or are fired from) the corporation are instantly found guilty of stealing "company property" (air) and are sentenced to death. Druuge who are no longer useful, cannot work, or are in debt are tossed into the reactors of the nearest power station to be used as fuel. Retirees can breathe at a reduced rate.
6th Jan '16 10:45:01 AM thatother1dude
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If taken to the extreme by the government owning ''everything'', this [[FridgeLogic raises the question]]: "What's the difference between these and DirtyCommies?" Some might argue that [[NotSoDifferent this is the whole point]]. This idea—that "business runs government" and "government runs business" are basically the same—is at the heart of many, ''many'' populist and/or agrarian movements since at least the 19th century, e.g. Creator/GKChesterton's "Distributism".
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If taken to the extreme by the government owning ''everything'', this [[FridgeLogic raises the question]]: "What's the difference between these and DirtyCommies?" Some might argue that [[NotSoDifferent this is the whole point]]. This idea—that "business runs government" and "government runs business" [[TheHorseshoeEffect are basically the same—is same]]—is at the heart of many, ''many'' populist and/or agrarian movements since at least the 19th century, e.g. Creator/GKChesterton's "Distributism".
20th Dec '15 3:54:13 AM Ramidel
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Let's not go there.
* The US is now effectively owned by the big banks like JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs through the Federal Reserve system... according to some sources.
9th Dec '15 8:43:56 PM Fireblood
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* The Sullustan home world Sullust became this in the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse after the Empire was formed. The [=SoroSuub=] Corporation employed half the planet and unofficially dominated the government (its CEO also serving as President), before TheEmpire gave it outright control. However, [[LaResistance the Sullustan resistance movement]] "persuaded" them to instead back the Alliance, and Sullust became a founding member of [[TheFederation the New Republic]]. Even after this [=SoroSuub=] remains nearly on par with the state.
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* The Sullustan home world Sullust became this in the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse after the Empire was formed. The [=SoroSuub=] Corporation employed half the planet and unofficially dominated the government (its CEO also serving as President), before TheEmpire gave it outright control. However, [[LaResistance the Sullustan resistance movement]] "persuaded" them staged a coup to instead back the Alliance, overthrow them, and Sullust became a founding member of [[TheFederation the New Republic]]. Even after this [=SoroSuub=] remains nearly on par with the state.
11th Nov '15 10:23:30 AM rjd1922
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Examples of Company Towns do not belong here.
See also NGOSuperpower.
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See also NGOSuperpower. NGOSuperpower. See CompanyTown for a smaller-scale version where a town is owned by a single company.

* In the USA in the 19th century, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town Company Towns]] were commonplace. They had their own money (chits) their own stores, and their own lenders, among numerous other things. Their excesses helped fuel the rise of labor unions. And inspired the song "Sixteen Tons" (with a part of the chorus going ''"St. Peter don't you call me/'Cause I can't go/I owe my soul/To the Company Store."'') They gathered a lot of bad publicity when a violent strike in one town (Pullman, Illinois) disrupted the entire US rail system. ** One of the proximate causes of the Pullman strike was that the Pullman Company, claiming slow sales, cut employees' wages without reducing rents for the company-owned houses in which its employees lived. ** The song mentioned above derives its chorus from people having to buy things on credit at the company store, which took it out of their wages. Eventually they'd end up so deep in debt that it would never be paid off.
11th Nov '15 10:20:06 AM rjd1922
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** The British East India Company exists today, and ironically for having ruled India so long, was recently ''bought by an Indian billionaire''.

** The British East India Company exists today, and ironically for having ruled India so long, was recently ''bought by an Indian billionaire''.
11th Oct '15 1:58:54 PM Fireblood
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* {{Series/Continuum}} has The North American Union. * The Blue Sun brand is omnipresent throughout ''{{Series/Firefly}}'', appearing on everything from coffee cans to neuroimagers; [[WordOfGod Word of Joss]] says that "practically half the government was Blue Sun." They're also hinted to have backed the government's [[BreakTheCutie mind-shattering experiments]] on River; she attacks the logos on their products in two different episodes.
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* {{Series/Continuum}} ''{{Series/Continuum}}'' has The North American Union. * The Blue Sun brand is omnipresent throughout ''{{Series/Firefly}}'', appearing on everything from coffee cans to neuroimagers; [[WordOfGod Word of Joss]] says that "practically half the government was Blue Sun." They're also hinted to have backed the government's [[BreakTheCutie mind-shattering experiments]] on River; she attacks the logos on their products in two different episodes.episodes, and the mysterious blue-gloved agents that pursue her may work for them.

* The word Corporation comes from the Latin word "Corpus", which meant "a body of people". Corpi recognized by the Roman government included trade guilds, universities, religious cults, and the Roman government itself. Later on a number of governments were incorporated, such as the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation City of London Corporation]], which has been operating since at least 1067 and is still the city's municipal government. * The Honourable East India Company: Ran the British Empire's interests in India until the Great Mutiny of 1857 and thus, by a combination of bribery, alliances and superior competence - oh, and a private army larger than that of the ''Empire itself'' - controlled a substantial part of the subcontinent. It got away with so much as every British member of Parliament owned shares.
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* The word Corporation "corporation" comes from the Latin word "Corpus", which meant "a body of people". Corpi recognized by the Roman government included trade guilds, universities, religious cults, and the Roman government itself. Later on a number of governments were incorporated, such as the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation City of London Corporation]], which has been operating since at least 1067 and is still the city's municipal government. government. To form a new town, city, etc. is still called "incorporating". Corporate personhood is also based on this-a business becoming a "body" (person) in its own right. While this is mostly discussed regarding businesses, it also applies to governments, which is why for instance you can have legal cases with names like (for instance) ''The United States versus John Doe'', because the government is recognized as being able to operate as an entity itself (through its agents, obviously). Naturally, this also applies to businesses suing each other, or governments, and businesses suing governments/governments suing businesses. However, the term "corporation" is now used mostly to mean "business corporation", and this older usage can confuse people. It's also not what the trope refers to. * The Honourable East India Company: Ran Company ran the British Empire's interests in India until the Great Mutiny of 1857 and thus, by a combination of bribery, alliances and superior competence - oh, and a private army larger than that of the ''Empire itself'' - controlled a substantial part of the subcontinent. It got away with so much as every British member of Parliament owned shares.

** The British East India Company exists today, and ironically for having ruled there so long, was recently ''bought by an Indian billionaire''.
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** The British East India Company exists today, and ironically for having ruled there India so long, was recently ''bought by an Indian billionaire''.

* Going eastward: Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie (known in English as the Dutch East India Company). The first stock-based, multinational corporation that controlled parts of Indonesia for almost 200 years. They had their own military, minted their own currency, and had the right to establish colonies, negotiate treaties, and even wage wars! Their rule made an everlasting impression to locals even after they went bankrupt and the official Dutch government took over. So much that their legacy lives on to this day; the local word for colonial forces is still "Kompeni". ** In fact, the entire nation of Indonesia is essentially the Dutch East India Company's old territory plus sovereignty. It's currently the fourth most populous country in the world, and world's most populous island country, and the world's most populous Muslim country.
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* Going eastward: Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie (known in English as the Dutch East India Company). The first stock-based, multinational corporation that corporation, it controlled parts of Indonesia for almost 200 years. They had their own military, minted their own currency, and had the right to establish colonies, negotiate treaties, and even wage wars! Their rule made an everlasting impression to locals even after they went bankrupt and the official Dutch government took over. So much that their legacy lives on to this day; the local word for colonial forces is still "Kompeni". ** In fact, the entire nation of Indonesia is essentially the Dutch East India Company's old territory plus sovereignty. It's currently the fourth most populous country in the world, and the world's most populous island country, and the world's most populous Muslim country.

* [[AnarchyisChaos Social Anarchists]] and left Marxists say that so-called "socialist" or "communist" states are nothing of the sort, instead terming both them and fascist regimes State Capitalist, because they become this. In fact, both Marx and Lenin ''admired'' large monopolistic business for increasing efficiency! Basically, they just did this with the state, coming at it by the opposite route. This seems to be true, because workers are for damn sure ''not'' in control of those states.
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* [[AnarchyisChaos Social Anarchists]] anarchists and left Marxists say that so-called "socialist" or "communist" states are nothing of the sort, instead terming both them and fascist regimes State Capitalist, state capitalist, because they become this. In fact, both Marx and Lenin ''admired'' large monopolistic business for increasing efficiency! Basically, they just did this with the state, coming at it by the opposite route. This seems to be true, because workers are for damn sure ''not'' in control of those states.

* In the USA in the 19th century, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town Company Towns]] were commonplace. They had their own money (chits) their own stores, and their own lenders, among numerous other things. Their excesses helped fuel the rise of Labor Unions. And inspired the song "Sixteen Tons" (with a part of the chorus going ''"St. Peter don't you call me/'Cause I can't go/I owe my soul/To the Company Store."'') They were gathered a lot of bad publicity after town (Pullman, Illinois) disrupted the entire US rail system during its violent strike.
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* In the USA in the 19th century, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town Company Towns]] were commonplace. They had their own money (chits) their own stores, and their own lenders, among numerous other things. Their excesses helped fuel the rise of Labor Unions.labor unions. And inspired the song "Sixteen Tons" (with a part of the chorus going ''"St. Peter don't you call me/'Cause I can't go/I owe my soul/To the Company Store."'') They were gathered a lot of bad publicity after when a violent strike in one town (Pullman, Illinois) disrupted the entire US rail system during its violent strike.system.

* Interestingly the actual political concept of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism corporatism]]—most notable for its association with fascism but also present in conservatism and christian democracy—is something completely different, namely the concept of collaboration between classes and negation of class antagonism. Which, by the way, may include this trope but need not.
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* Interestingly the actual political concept of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism corporatism]]—most notable for its association with fascism but also present in conservatism conservative and christian democracy—is Christian Democratic thought—is something completely different, namely the concept of collaboration between classes and negation of class antagonism. Which, by the way, may include this trope but need not.

* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchocapitalism Anarcho-capitalists]] think a big corporation fulfilling the purposes of a state would be at least as bad as any state. They'd rather have a PrivatelyOwnedSociety where one is free to choose among several competing {{Law Enforcement Inc}}s.
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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchocapitalism Anarcho-capitalists]] think a big corporation fulfilling the purposes of a state would be at least as bad as any state.state, if not the same thing in a slightly different form. They'd rather have a PrivatelyOwnedSociety where one is free to choose among several competing {{Law Enforcement Inc}}s.
11th Oct '15 1:39:39 PM Fireblood
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* The Sullustan homeworld Sullust is this in the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse. The [=SoroSuub=] Corporation employs half the planet and unofficially dominated the government (its CEO also serving as President), before TheEmpire gave it outright control. However, [[LaResistance the Sullustan resistance movement]] "persuaded" them to instead back the Alliance, and Sullust became a founding member of [[TheFederation the New Republic]]. Even after this [=SoroSuub=] remains nearly on par with the state. * Both Beowulf and [[BigBad Mesa]] in ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' are run along the corporativist lines, which is hardly surprising, as Mesa was settled essentially by a group of rogue Beowulfers. Both are controlled by the board of directors, with votes arranged corresponding to professions, though Mesa muddles the water a bit, [[spoiler: being secretly run by the AncientConspiracy]]. Manticore initially was also envisioned in the same way, though it mutated into [[TheKingdom something]] [[TheEmpire else]] [[TheFederation entirely]]. It's also mentioned that such political arrangements aren't anything unusual in the galaxy.
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* The Sullustan homeworld home world Sullust is became this in the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse. Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse after the Empire was formed. The [=SoroSuub=] Corporation employs employed half the planet and unofficially dominated the government (its CEO also serving as President), before TheEmpire gave it outright control. However, [[LaResistance the Sullustan resistance movement]] "persuaded" them to instead back the Alliance, and Sullust became a founding member of [[TheFederation the New Republic]]. Even after this [=SoroSuub=] remains nearly on par with the state. * Both Beowulf and [[BigBad Mesa]] in ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' are run along the corporativist corporatist lines, which is hardly surprising, as Mesa was settled essentially by a group of rogue Beowulfers. Both are controlled by the board of directors, with votes arranged corresponding to professions, though Mesa muddles the water a bit, [[spoiler: being secretly run by the AncientConspiracy]]. Manticore initially was also envisioned in the same way, though it mutated into [[TheKingdom something]] [[TheEmpire else]] [[TheFederation entirely]]. It's also mentioned that such political arrangements aren't anything unusual in the galaxy.
14th Sep '15 7:13:17 AM zarpaulus
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* The ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'' setting for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' has the Dragonmarked Houses, which are explicitly by treaty ''not'' nations, though in effect they amount to a separate set of nations that's not based on territory but on some field of commerce on which each of them holds a virtual monopoly. The treaty forbids house members from holding (traditional) titles of nobility or even ''owning land'', though several of the houses do so in all but name, and high-ranking house members are essentially ''treated'' as nobility.
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* The ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'' setting for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' has the Dragonmarked Houses, which are explicitly by treaty ''not'' nations, though in effect they amount to a separate set of nations that's not based on territory but on some field of commerce on which each of them holds a virtual monopoly. The treaty forbids house members from holding (traditional) titles of nobility or even ''owning land'', though several of the houses do so in all but name, and high-ranking house members are essentially ''treated'' as nobility. In essence, fantasy {{Mega Corp}}s.
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