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14th Aug '16 3:05:23 PM nombretomado
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* In ''{{Dragon Ball Z Abridged}}'', [[JerkAss Super Kami Guru]] encourages Nail to fight [[BigBad Freeza]] by reminding him he had been trained in the "ancient ways". After Nail and Freeza fly off to the battleground, the Grand Elder drops this bomb:

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* In ''{{Dragon Ball Z Abridged}}'', ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'', [[JerkAss Super Kami Guru]] encourages Nail to fight [[BigBad Freeza]] by reminding him he had been trained in the "ancient ways". After Nail and Freeza fly off to the battleground, the Grand Elder drops this bomb:
5th Aug '16 12:25:21 AM __Vano
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Partially TruthInTelevision: the idea that ancient knowledge is superior to modern knowledge exists in the real world, but it doesn't always work out that way. [[http://web.archive.org/web/20130727103912/http://www.badmartialarts.com/myths/ancient_knowledge.php Bad Martial Arts]] has a page debunking this idea. It is also inferred in many pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines: that these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, must mean that they are better than modern science! It's the same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related.

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Partially TruthInTelevision: the idea ''the idea'' that ancient knowledge is superior to modern knowledge exists in the real world, but it doesn't always work out that way. [[http://web.archive.org/web/20130727103912/http://www.badmartialarts.com/myths/ancient_knowledge.php Bad Martial Arts]] has a page debunking this idea. It is also inferred in many pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines: that these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, must mean that they are better than modern science! It's the same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related.
5th Aug '16 12:20:59 AM __Vano
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** During the Crimean takeover, Russian army forces switched almost entirely to using messengers instead of radio for communication. This got Western intelligences completely fooled and taken by surprise, as they saw no increase in radio activity just before the invasion.
16th Jul '16 6:45:27 PM SSJMagus
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** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant, whereas being 5000 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.
** This also applies to Noble Phantasms which are based on a Plato's Idea of Form. In general, the older a Phantasm, and thus closer it is to the original conception. As a result an older Phantasm will defeat any similar Phantasm born from a newer iteration of the legend(e.g Gram, the Sword pulled from the Tree, of Norse Mythology is superior to the Sword in the Stone of Arthurian lore). Gilgamesh possesses "prototypes"(Perfect Form) of all later Noble Phantasms, each one significantly stronger than its more well-known derivatives.

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** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant, insignificant[[note]]That boost would be far more significant in the actual location where a Servant's legend originated. For example, Lancer (Cú Chulainn) would be at his strongest in Ireland, Rider (Medusa), Caster (Medea) and Berserker (Heracles) would all be strongest in Greece and Saber (King Arthur) would be strongest in England and Wales...though the latter two are so universally renowned that they'd get some degree of power boost anywhere on Earth. But since the Holy Grail War takes place in Japan and none of the Servants in either the Fourth or Fifth Grail War was Japanese (aside from the "fake Servant" Assassin/Sasaki Kojiro), this didn't really come into play.[[/note]], whereas being 5000 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.
** This also applies to Noble Phantasms which are based on a Plato's Idea of Form. In general, the older a Phantasm, and thus closer it is to the original conception. As a result an older Phantasm will defeat any similar Phantasm born from a newer iteration of the legend(e.legend (e.g Gram, the Sword pulled from the Tree, of Norse Mythology is superior to the Sword in the Stone of Arthurian lore). Gilgamesh possesses "prototypes"(Perfect Form) of all later Noble Phantasms, each one significantly stronger than its more well-known derivatives.



** Magic itself also follows this rule. Servant Caster, who lived in the Age of Gods [[Myth/ClassicalMythology (Ancient Greece)]], can use very powerful spells using few (and sometimes only one) word, while modern magic users need one minute to conjure magic of such power, it's no wonder that her "High-Speed Divine Words" skill is at A level.

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** Magic itself also follows this rule. Servant Caster, who lived in the Age of Gods [[Myth/ClassicalMythology (Ancient Greece)]], can use very powerful spells using few (and sometimes only one) word, while modern magic users need one minute to conjure magic of such power, it's no wonder that her "High-Speed Divine Words" skill is at A level. Even the exceptionally rare True Magic (which cannot be learned and only randomly crops up as the inherent trait of some lucky magus) can't compare to magic from the Age of Gods, as it tends to be extremely specialized whereas Caster can use her ancient magic for basically anything she pleases.



* In the ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'' franchise, Lost Logia are ancient artefacts often [[LostSuperweapon capable of rending dimensions in two]]. Some of them are small enough to fit in the palm of a person's hand and require [[RagnarokProofing no outside power source or maintenance]]. So far nothing modern comes close to the destructive potential that the Lost Logia exhibit. Also Ancient Belkan fighting arts have an equipment advantage in the Unison Devices and Cartriage Loads that are not found in the modern Mid-Childan system.

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* In the ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'' franchise, Lost Logia are ancient artefacts often [[LostSuperweapon capable of rending dimensions in two]]. Some of them are small enough to fit in the palm of a person's hand and require [[RagnarokProofing no outside power source or maintenance]]. So far nothing modern comes close to the destructive potential that the Lost Logia exhibit. Also Ancient Belkan fighting arts have an equipment advantage in the Unison Devices and Cartriage Cartridge Loads that are not found in the modern Mid-Childan system.system. While Mid-Childan devices can be adapted without much difficulty to use the Ancient Belkan cartridge system, no one has the slightest idea how to make Unison Devices anymore (the only new one in the modern era was created by...a sentient lost superweapon from Ancient Belka).
3rd Jul '16 10:12:53 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' zigzags this when the ancient Ganmen and new Grapearl. In a one-on-one battle, Grapearls are indeed faster, more agile, and better-equipped, to the point that even highly-advanced Ganmen like Enkidudu get wrecked by them. However, the main enemies in Grapearl times are the Mugann, the machines that Ganmen were originally designed to battle... meaning that Grapearls [[RedShirt tend to die en masse even with the proper gear]], whereas when the main characters [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece restore and retool their old Ganmen]], they find that wiping out whole hordes of Mugann is surprisingly easy.

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* ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' zigzags this when with the ancient Ganmen and new Grapearl. In a one-on-one battle, Grapearls are indeed faster, more agile, and better-equipped, to the point that even highly-advanced Ganmen like Enkidudu Enkidu get wrecked by them. However, the main enemies in Grapearl times second half are the Mugann, the machines that Ganmen were originally designed to battle... meaning that Grapearls [[RedShirt tend to die en masse even with the proper gear]], whereas when the main characters [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece restore and retool their old Ganmen]], they find that wiping out whole hordes of Mugann is surprisingly easy.
3rd Jul '16 10:11:29 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* In Star Blazers/Yamato, the Earth Defense Force fleet is pretty much wiped out to the last ship, forcing them to deploy the 200 year old IJN Yamato. In season two, the EDF is building all new warships including the State of the Art Andromeda class, better than the Yamato in every way (including a double barreled Wave Motion Gun) . . . . until the Comet Empire hands them their asses.

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* In Star Blazers/Yamato, ''Anime/SpaceBattleshipYamato'' (aka ''Star Blazers''), the Earth Defense Force fleet is pretty much wiped out to the last ship, forcing them to deploy the 200 year old IJN Yamato. In season two, the EDF is building all new warships including the State of the Art Andromeda class, better than the Yamato in every way (including a double barreled Wave Motion Gun) . . . . until the Comet Empire hands them their asses.
19th Jun '16 5:12:57 AM __Vano
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* Some guitarists still prefer tube amplifiers over transistor amplifiers because of the warmer and more organic output of the tube amp.

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* Some guitarists still prefer tube amplifiers over transistor amplifiers because of the (supposedly) warmer and more organic output of the tube amp.
2nd Jun '16 2:34:59 AM Hylarn
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22nd May '16 2:40:16 AM Rlaein
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Partially TruthInTelevision: the idea that ancient knowledge is superior to modern knowledge exists in the real world, but it doesn't always work out that way. [[http://www.badmartialarts.com/myths/ancient_knowledge.php Bad Martial Arts]] has a page debunking this idea. It is also inferred in many pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines: that these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, must mean that they are better than modern science! It's the same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related.

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Partially TruthInTelevision: the idea that ancient knowledge is superior to modern knowledge exists in the real world, but it doesn't always work out that way. [[http://www.[[http://web.archive.org/web/20130727103912/http://www.badmartialarts.com/myths/ancient_knowledge.php Bad Martial Arts]] has a page debunking this idea. It is also inferred in many pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines: that these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, must mean that they are better than modern science! It's the same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related.
7th May '16 6:31:23 AM MajinAkuma
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* In ''Anime/YuGiOh'', the older the magic, the better. This is especially seen in the Waking the Dragons arc. Got 5000 year old magic? Too bad, my magic is ''10,000'' years old.

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* In ''Anime/YuGiOh'', the older the magic, the better. This is especially seen in the Waking the Dragons arc. Got 5000 3000 year old magic? Too bad, my magic is ''10,000'' years old.
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