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3rd Dec '17 1:39:00 AM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': Not one of the villain protagonists does anything really evil in the story, thus allowing us to sympathize with them. Anything like that is only mentioned as part of their past (for instance Sam's apparently assassinated dozens of people).

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* ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': Not one of the villain protagonists does anything really evil in the story, thus allowing us to sympathize with them. Anything like that is only mentioned as part of their past (for instance instance, Sam's apparently assassinated dozens ''dozens'' of people).
22nd Nov '17 8:29:16 AM Taxima
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* While [[Anime/DragonBallZ Dr. Gero]] was always villainous, ''WebOriginal/DragonBallAbridged'' adds a level of offstage work. While digging through Dr. Gero's research notes about Androids 17 and 18, Bulma finds out that Gero only gave model numbers to ''successful'' creations. He had kidnapped and experimented on dozens of orphans over the years until he got results.
31st Jul '17 3:52:24 AM Fireblood
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* One of the most common complaints about the ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'' is that for the longest time the reader was never actually shown EvilOverlord [[BigBad Galbatorix]] [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything doing anything particularly evil]] to the people of Alagaesia other than raising taxes and fighting the Varden rebels, neither of which are inherently particularly heinous. Indeed, it's acknowledged by Eragon at one point that most of the people of the Empire get along perfectly well under his rule. Just the fact that he successfully overthrew the [[TheOrder Dragon Riders]] seems to be enough justification for the war waged by the [[LaResistance Varden]], the elves, and the dwarves in the series. This is despite the fact that the Dragon Riders were stated to have been corrupt and fighting each other anyway, meaning that Galby's crime was... winning. [[AuthorsSavingThrow Rather belatedly]] he was given some unquestionably villainous actions, such as in ''Brisingr'' (the third book) where it's stated that [[spoiler:he enslaved the souls of the dragons he killed, and magically enslaves many of his soldiers]]. Though by this time a sizeable chunk of the reader base had started RootingForTheEmpire.
8th Jul '17 5:44:48 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'': After the Trade Federation invades Naboo, we keep being told that the people are suffering under the occupation and that the death toll is rising. The thing is, we never actually ''see'' any of the Nabooan citizens suffer, which makes the whole thing look more like GunboatDiplomacy (albeit by a megacorp wilfully manipulated by a Sith lord) than a whole planet being "subjected to slavery and death".
2nd Jul '17 3:53:20 AM JackG
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* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003''. Tom Zarek is accused of terrorism, abuse of office, political manipulation, and conspiracy to commit murder. By the time the series is over we've seen President Roslin commit every one of those crimes. When he finally does make his move, the writers had to give him a few KickTheDog moments just to restore the balance (and even these are entirely PragmaticVillainy).
30th Jun '17 11:54:38 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, barring a few justified exceptions, [[OurGiantsAreBigger Giants]] tend to be NobleSavage {{Gentle Giant}}s who prefer to be left alone and will only attack if provoked in-game. However, Giants are known to raid farms, steal livestock, and attack settlements. This only occurs offscreen and in the backstory.
21st May '17 6:35:20 AM bwburke94
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* Dr. Merlot, BigBad of ''VideoGame/RWBYGrimmEclipse, who creates mutated Grimm and sends them after the main characters, but is never seen in person.

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* Dr. Merlot, BigBad of ''VideoGame/RWBYGrimmEclipse, ''VideoGame/RWBYGrimmEclipse'', who creates mutated Grimm and sends them after the main characters, but is never seen in person.
14th May '17 10:26:28 AM nombretomado
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* [[TheWarOfEarthlyAggression The United Earth Directorate]] in ''Franchise/StarCraft''. Canonically, they are a ruthless dictatorship who abolished cultural ethnicity and religion on Earth, banished 400 millions human in space for being considered "undesirable" and came to the Koprulu Sector with the intention of enslaving or eradicating the Zerg and Protoss. Unfortunately, [[AllThereInTheManual very little of this is actually shown in-game]], and all we get to see in their ''Brood War'' campaign is them trying to enslave the Zerg (who at this point were AlwaysChaoticEvil) and [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating the crap out of Arcturus Mengsk, one of the most reviled characters in the franchise]]. This has caused plenty of fans to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for them]], and not understand why the heroic characters chose to form an EnemyMine with the much more ObviouslyEvil [[DarkActionGirl Sarah Kerrigan]] to fight them.

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* [[TheWarOfEarthlyAggression The United Earth Directorate]] in ''Franchise/StarCraft''.''VideoGame/StarCraft''. Canonically, they are a ruthless dictatorship who abolished cultural ethnicity and religion on Earth, banished 400 millions human in space for being considered "undesirable" and came to the Koprulu Sector with the intention of enslaving or eradicating the Zerg and Protoss. Unfortunately, [[AllThereInTheManual very little of this is actually shown in-game]], and all we get to see in their ''Brood War'' campaign is them trying to enslave the Zerg (who at this point were AlwaysChaoticEvil) and [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating the crap out of Arcturus Mengsk, one of the most reviled characters in the franchise]]. This has caused plenty of fans to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for them]], and not understand why the heroic characters chose to form an EnemyMine with the much more ObviouslyEvil [[DarkActionGirl Sarah Kerrigan]] to fight them.
10th May '17 2:46:26 PM MiinU
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Compare and contrast GoryDiscretionShot, which may overlap with this, and DesignatedVillain, where the "villain" doesn't actually do anything truly bad, either on-screen or off.

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Compare and contrast GoryDiscretionShot, GoryDiscretionShot and RapeDiscretionShot, which may overlap with this, and DesignatedVillain, where the "villain" doesn't actually do anything truly bad, either on-screen or off.
26th Apr '17 3:50:41 AM Baeraad555
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** The same with [[TheChessmaster Lord Roose Bolton]] and [[BastardBastard Ramsay Bolton]], who like to flay the skin off their captives' fingers until the captives beg for the fingers to be chopped off due to the pain. Poor [[spoiler:Theon Greyjoy]], while not the nicest person, gets this treatment. For obvious reasons, this isn't directly shown to the reader.

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** The same with [[TheChessmaster Lord Roose Bolton]] and [[BastardBastard Ramsay Bolton]], who like to flay the skin off their captives' fingers until the captives beg for the fingers to be chopped off due to the pain. Poor [[spoiler:Theon Greyjoy]], while not the nicest person, gets this treatment. For obvious reasons, this isn't directly shown to the reader. It's hinted that Roose has done a number of things that we never even hear about, as he complains that Ramsay has allowed his evil deeds to be well-known to the point that everyone is talking about them - thus harming House Bolton's reputation - whereas "no one ever talked about [[VillainWithGoodPublicity me.]]"
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