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27th Sep '16 12:05:01 AM PaulA
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* The name Mri in Creator/CJCherryh's ''Faded Sun'' trilogy means "people". What do these catlike aliens call humans and regul? Tsi-mri, "not-people". This makes the entry of Duncan into their society all the more noteworthy, and the inclusion of three humans in their holy records unheard of for any other species. They're still [[CantArgueWithElves unapologetic]] [[OurElvesAreBetter space elves]] though (but we like them anyway).

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* The name Mri in Creator/CJCherryh's ''Faded Sun'' ''Literature/TheFadedSun'' trilogy means "people". What do these catlike aliens call humans and regul? Tsi-mri, "not-people". This makes the entry of Duncan into their society all the more noteworthy, and the inclusion of three humans in their holy records unheard of for any other species. They're still [[CantArgueWithElves unapologetic]] [[OurElvesAreBetter space elves]] though (but we like them anyway).
15th Sep '16 12:58:23 AM PaulA
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* In [[EndersGame Speaker For The Dead]], it's explained that there are four words for the varying kinds of 'people' that by the end of the book have become commonplace--one for the person of your own tribe/family/city (one's kin and equals), one for the person of another country/city/world (capable of sharing a community, communicating, and living as equals), one for the person who is of another species (who can at least be communicated with and thus peaceful co-existence achieved), and one for the truly alien or savage beast (with whom no communication can take place, usually meaning one side will destroy or dominate the other in order to be safe).

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* In [[EndersGame Speaker For The Dead]], ''Literature/SpeakerForTheDead'', it's explained that there are four words for the varying kinds of 'people' that by the end of the book have become commonplace--one for the person of your own tribe/family/city (one's kin and equals), one for the person of another country/city/world (capable of sharing a community, communicating, and living as equals), one for the person who is of another species (who can at least be communicated with and thus peaceful co-existence achieved), and one for the truly alien or savage beast (with whom no communication can take place, usually meaning one side will destroy or dominate the other in order to be safe).
22nd Aug '16 6:27:01 AM Morgenthaler
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The classical Greeks were similar to the Slavs, giving their neighbors a name that cast aspersions on their speaking skills: Greek "barbaros" meant "babbler," and it meant Persians and Middle Easterners, whose languages sounded like babbling to the Greeks; it didn't refer to the sorts of peoples who we think of when we hear "barbarian."

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The classical Greeks were similar to the Slavs, giving their neighbors a name that cast aspersions on their speaking skills: Greek "barbaros" meant "babbler," and it meant Persians and Middle Easterners, whose languages sounded like babbling to the Greeks; it didn't refer to the sorts of peoples who we think of when we hear "barbarian."
"barbarian", but highly advanced civilizations.
9th Aug '16 11:24:23 PM PaulA
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* Steven Brust renders this attitude by having both [[{{Dragaera}} Dragaerans]] (elves, more or less) and Easterners (humans, apparently), refer to themselves as "humans", and considering the other group not humans.

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* Steven Brust Brust's ''Literature/{{Dragaera}}'' series renders this attitude by having both [[{{Dragaera}} Dragaerans]] Dragaerans (elves, more or less) and Easterners (humans, apparently), refer to themselves as "humans", and considering the other group not humans.
27th Jul '16 6:10:07 PM nombretomado
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* In ''{{Traveller}}'' the Aslan name themselves ''Fteir'' which means "People of honor". Which doesn't mean non-aslan are not people, just that they are dishonorable. It is possible, however, for a being born into a non-Aslan body to be treated as ''Fteirle'' by living according to its tenets- it is more of a philosophy than a racial identity.

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\n* In ''{{Traveller}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Traveller}}'' the Aslan name themselves ''Fteir'' which means "People of honor". Which doesn't mean non-aslan are not people, just that they are dishonorable. It is possible, however, for a being born into a non-Aslan body to be treated as ''Fteirle'' by living according to its tenets- it is more of a philosophy than a racial identity.








* CyranoDeBergerac: In Act II Scene VI, Roxane and Cyrano discuss this trope in regard to the attitude the Gascon Cadets take if you want to be part of the regiment and are not a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gascon]]. The GenreSavvy Roxane asks for Cyrano's help in averting this trope with Christian. In Act II Scene IX, we see this trope played straight: Christian is from Touraine, and that means he is not a Gascon, so he is [[EatingLunchAlone ostracized]], is given an EmbarrassingNickname, and is subjected to the charming InitiationCeremony (condoned by the otherwise benevolent Captain Carbon!) consisting of a [[DareToBeBadass dare]] to [[BullyingTheDragon Bully The Dragon]] by mentioning the word [[BerserkButton “nose” to Cyrano]].

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\n\n* CyranoDeBergerac: ''Theatre/CyranoDeBergerac'': In Act II Scene VI, Roxane and Cyrano discuss this trope in regard to the attitude the Gascon Cadets take if you want to be part of the regiment and are not a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gascon]]. The GenreSavvy Roxane asks for Cyrano's help in averting this trope with Christian. In Act II Scene IX, we see this trope played straight: Christian is from Touraine, and that means he is not a Gascon, so he is [[EatingLunchAlone ostracized]], is given an EmbarrassingNickname, and is subjected to the charming InitiationCeremony (condoned by the otherwise benevolent Captain Carbon!) consisting of a [[DareToBeBadass dare]] to [[BullyingTheDragon Bully The Dragon]] by mentioning the word [[BerserkButton “nose” to Cyrano]].















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1st Jul '16 1:31:48 AM PaulA
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* The Atan people of David Eddings' ''{{Tamuli}}'' are a bog-standard ProudWarriorRace, so naturally it's mentioned at one point that they consider everyone else to be non-humans. In a bit of a twist, though, they've long since sold themselves as slaves to the Tamul Empire, because without an external interest directing their warlike tendencies they would quickly devolve into constant civil war.

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* The Atan people of David Eddings' ''{{Tamuli}}'' ''Literature/TheTamuli'' are a bog-standard ProudWarriorRace, so naturally it's mentioned at one point that they consider everyone else to be non-humans. In a bit of a twist, though, they've long since sold themselves as slaves to the Tamul Empire, because without an external interest directing their warlike tendencies they would quickly devolve into constant civil war.
10th Jun '16 2:40:29 PM margdean56
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* CyranoDeBergerac: At act II Scene VI, Roxane and Cyrano discuss this trope about the attitude the Gascon Cadets take if you want to be part of the regiment not being a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gascon]]. The GenreSavvy Roxane ask Cyrano his help to avert this trope with Christian. At Act II Scene IX, we see this trope played straight: Christian is from Touraine, and that means he is not a Gascon, so he is [[EatingLunchAlone ostracized]], is being given an EmbarrassingNickname, and he is subjected to the charming InitiationCeremony (condoned by the otherwise benevolent Captain Carbon!) consisting of a DareToBeBadass to [[BullyingTheDragon Bully The Dragon]] by mentioning the word [[BerserkButton “nose” to Cyrano]].

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* CyranoDeBergerac: At act In Act II Scene VI, Roxane and Cyrano discuss this trope about in regard to the attitude the Gascon Cadets take if you want to be part of the regiment and are not being a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gascon]]. The GenreSavvy Roxane ask Cyrano his asks for Cyrano's help to avert in averting this trope with Christian. At In Act II Scene IX, we see this trope played straight: Christian is from Touraine, and that means he is not a Gascon, so he is [[EatingLunchAlone ostracized]], is being given an EmbarrassingNickname, and he is subjected to the charming InitiationCeremony (condoned by the otherwise benevolent Captain Carbon!) consisting of a DareToBeBadass [[DareToBeBadass dare]] to [[BullyingTheDragon Bully The Dragon]] by mentioning the word [[BerserkButton “nose” to Cyrano]].



--> 'Midst us pure Gascons—(pure! Heaven save the mark!

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--> 'Midst us pure Gascons—(pure! Heaven save the mark!mark!)
10th Jun '16 2:35:46 PM margdean56
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* The name Mri in Creator/CJCherryh's ''Faded Sun'' trilogy means "people". What do these cat like aliens call humans and regul? Tsi-mri, "not-people". This makes the entry of Duncan into their society all the more noteworthy, and the inclusion of three humans in their holy records unheard of for any other species. They're still [[CantArgueWithElves unapologetic]] [[OurElvesAreBetter space elves]] though (but we like them anyway).

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* The name Mri in Creator/CJCherryh's ''Faded Sun'' trilogy means "people". What do these cat like catlike aliens call humans and regul? Tsi-mri, "not-people". This makes the entry of Duncan into their society all the more noteworthy, and the inclusion of three humans in their holy records unheard of for any other species. They're still [[CantArgueWithElves unapologetic]] [[OurElvesAreBetter space elves]] though (but we like them anyway).



--->It is more than just a wall, it is a marker. On one side is the Empire, which in the Agatean language is a word identical with "universe". On the other side is - nothing. After all, the universe is everything there is.\\\

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--->It is more than just a wall, it is a marker. On one side is the Empire, which in the Agatean language is a word identical with "universe". On the other side is - -- nothing. After all, the universe is everything there is.\\\



* Diane Duane's Trek novel ''Literature/SpocksWorld'' gives many details of the history Vulcan, including "The Sundering." "United Federation of Planets" translates into Rihan (aka Romulan) as "Them, from There" while the Klingon Empire is "More of Them, from Somewhere Else."

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* Diane Duane's Trek novel ''Literature/SpocksWorld'' gives many details of the history of Vulcan, including "The Sundering." "United Federation of Planets" translates into Rihan (aka Romulan) as "Them, from There" while the Klingon Empire is "More of Them, from Somewhere Else."



* Steven Brust renders this attitude by having [[{{Dragaera}} Dragaerans]] (elves, more or less) and Easterners (humans, apparently), referring to themselves as "humans", and considering the other group not humans.

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* Steven Brust renders this attitude by having both [[{{Dragaera}} Dragaerans]] (elves, more or less) and Easterners (humans, apparently), referring refer to themselves as "humans", and considering the other group not humans.



* The Ai-Naidar of ''Literature/{{Kherishdar}}'' consider themselves people, and everything else including aliens "other" - humans are in some way lumped in with rocks and animals (and gods, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality oddly enough]]).
* In [[EndersGame Speaker For The Dead]], it's explained that there are four words for the varying kinds of 'people' that by the end of the book have become commonplace- one for the person of your own tribe/family/city (ones' kin and equals), one for the person of another country/city/world (capable of sharing a community, communicating, and living as equals), one for the person who is of another species (who can at least be communicated with and thus peaceful co-existence achieved), and one for the truly alien or savage beast (with whom no communication can take place, usually meaning one side will destroy or dominate the other in order to be safe).

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* The Ai-Naidar of ''Literature/{{Kherishdar}}'' consider themselves people, and everything else including aliens "other" - -- humans are in some way lumped in with rocks and animals (and gods, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality oddly enough]]).
* In [[EndersGame Speaker For The Dead]], it's explained that there are four words for the varying kinds of 'people' that by the end of the book have become commonplace- one commonplace--one for the person of your own tribe/family/city (ones' (one's kin and equals), one for the person of another country/city/world (capable of sharing a community, communicating, and living as equals), one for the person who is of another species (who can at least be communicated with and thus peaceful co-existence achieved), and one for the truly alien or savage beast (with whom no communication can take place, usually meaning one side will destroy or dominate the other in order to be safe).



* The Temuji of the ''Literature/RangersApprentice'' series have named themselves The People. Anyone who isn't them isn't a person, and so they have no more qualms about killing others - no matter how old or young - than we have of stepping on an ant.

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* The Temuji of the ''Literature/RangersApprentice'' series have named themselves The People. Anyone who isn't them isn't a person, and so they have no more qualms about killing others - -- no matter how old or young - -- than we have of stepping on an ant.
10th Jun '16 2:28:26 PM margdean56
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* In ComicBook/BlackPanther ,Wakandans are somewhat xenophobic and racist. They tend to view foreigners as barbarians and avoid doing business with them. When one government official suggests giving Westerners the Cure For Cancer, T'Challa overrules him, fearing that they would somehow turn the cure into a weapon.

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* In ComicBook/BlackPanther ,Wakandans ComicBook/BlackPanther, Wakandans are somewhat xenophobic and racist. They tend to view foreigners as barbarians and avoid doing business with them. When one government official suggests giving Westerners the Cure For Cancer, T'Challa overrules him, fearing that they would somehow turn the cure into a weapon.
10th Jun '16 2:27:30 PM margdean56
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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having less voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]]

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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having less fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]]
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