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6th Jul '17 9:48:08 PM nombretomado
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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]] Similarly, various European biologists of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries proposed that other ethnic groups were actually different species. Their theories have largely been discredited by UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, wherein ThoseWackyNazis acted upon their recommendations and tried to kill 40 million people and enslave a further 140 million (but "only" successfully knocked off 25 million). Today's true believers in the validity of OfThePeople in the real world overlap significantly with true believers in the non-existence of The Holocaust ('Holocaust Deniers').

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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.Wiki/TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]] Similarly, various European biologists of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries proposed that other ethnic groups were actually different species. Their theories have largely been discredited by UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, wherein ThoseWackyNazis acted upon their recommendations and tried to kill 40 million people and enslave a further 140 million (but "only" successfully knocked off 25 million). Today's true believers in the validity of OfThePeople in the real world overlap significantly with true believers in the non-existence of The Holocaust ('Holocaust Deniers').
17th Apr '17 8:41:52 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]] Similarly, various European biologists of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries proposed that other ethnic groups were actually different species. Their theories have largely been discredited by UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, wherein ThoseWackyNazis acted upon their recommendations and tried to kill 40 million people and enslave a further 140 (but only successfully knocked off 25). Today's true believers in the validity of OfThePeople in the real world overlap significantly with true believers in the non-existence of The Holocaust ('Holocaust Deniers').

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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]] Similarly, various European biologists of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries proposed that other ethnic groups were actually different species. Their theories have largely been discredited by UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, wherein ThoseWackyNazis acted upon their recommendations and tried to kill 40 million people and enslave a further 140 million (but only "only" successfully knocked off 25).25 million). Today's true believers in the validity of OfThePeople in the real world overlap significantly with true believers in the non-existence of The Holocaust ('Holocaust Deniers').
9th Mar '17 4:57:06 AM MAI742
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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]] Similarly, various white biologists of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries proposed that other ethnic groups were actually different species, but those theories have been discredited since UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, when ThoseWackyNazis used such theories to justify murdering millions of people.

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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]] Similarly, various white European biologists of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries proposed that other ethnic groups were actually different species, but those species. Their theories have largely been discredited since UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, when by UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust, wherein ThoseWackyNazis used such theories acted upon their recommendations and tried to justify murdering millions kill 40 million people and enslave a further 140 (but only successfully knocked off 25). Today's true believers in the validity of people.
OfThePeople in the real world overlap significantly with true believers in the non-existence of The Holocaust ('Holocaust Deniers').
12th Feb '17 12:48:49 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]]

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Real-world tribal peoples, by contrast, are much more likely to call themselves "those who speak eloquently" and their neighbors "the people who don't know how to talk." Peoples who call themselves "the only real people" are few and far between; peoples who call their neighbors "not real people" are practically unknown. A rare exception may be the Three-Fifths Compromise ''legal'' designation in the United States that declared whites full people, and blacks 3/5 of a person, officially from 1787-1865, with lasting direct repercussions until at least 1960 according to TheOtherWiki.[[note]]Ironically though, the slave states wanted the slaves counted as full people, since it would give them more representation in Congress, even with having fewer voters. The free states wanted them not counted at all, thus the compromise.[[/note]]
[[/note]] Similarly, various white biologists of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries proposed that other ethnic groups were actually different species, but those theories have been discredited since UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, when ThoseWackyNazis used such theories to justify murdering millions of people.
27th Sep '16 12:05:01 AM PaulA
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* The name Mri in Creator/CJCherryh's ''Faded Sun'' trilogy means "people". What do these catlike aliens call humans and regul? Tsi-mri, "not-people". This makes the entry of Duncan into their society all the more noteworthy, and the inclusion of three humans in their holy records unheard of for any other species. They're still [[CantArgueWithElves unapologetic]] [[OurElvesAreBetter space elves]] though (but we like them anyway).

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* The name Mri in Creator/CJCherryh's ''Faded Sun'' ''Literature/TheFadedSun'' trilogy means "people". What do these catlike aliens call humans and regul? Tsi-mri, "not-people". This makes the entry of Duncan into their society all the more noteworthy, and the inclusion of three humans in their holy records unheard of for any other species. They're still [[CantArgueWithElves unapologetic]] [[OurElvesAreBetter space elves]] though (but we like them anyway).
15th Sep '16 12:58:23 AM PaulA
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* In [[EndersGame Speaker For The Dead]], it's explained that there are four words for the varying kinds of 'people' that by the end of the book have become commonplace--one for the person of your own tribe/family/city (one's kin and equals), one for the person of another country/city/world (capable of sharing a community, communicating, and living as equals), one for the person who is of another species (who can at least be communicated with and thus peaceful co-existence achieved), and one for the truly alien or savage beast (with whom no communication can take place, usually meaning one side will destroy or dominate the other in order to be safe).

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* In [[EndersGame Speaker For The Dead]], ''Literature/SpeakerForTheDead'', it's explained that there are four words for the varying kinds of 'people' that by the end of the book have become commonplace--one for the person of your own tribe/family/city (one's kin and equals), one for the person of another country/city/world (capable of sharing a community, communicating, and living as equals), one for the person who is of another species (who can at least be communicated with and thus peaceful co-existence achieved), and one for the truly alien or savage beast (with whom no communication can take place, usually meaning one side will destroy or dominate the other in order to be safe).
22nd Aug '16 6:27:01 AM Morgenthaler
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The classical Greeks were similar to the Slavs, giving their neighbors a name that cast aspersions on their speaking skills: Greek "barbaros" meant "babbler," and it meant Persians and Middle Easterners, whose languages sounded like babbling to the Greeks; it didn't refer to the sorts of peoples who we think of when we hear "barbarian."

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The classical Greeks were similar to the Slavs, giving their neighbors a name that cast aspersions on their speaking skills: Greek "barbaros" meant "babbler," and it meant Persians and Middle Easterners, whose languages sounded like babbling to the Greeks; it didn't refer to the sorts of peoples who we think of when we hear "barbarian."
"barbarian", but highly advanced civilizations.
9th Aug '16 11:24:23 PM PaulA
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* Steven Brust renders this attitude by having both [[{{Dragaera}} Dragaerans]] (elves, more or less) and Easterners (humans, apparently), refer to themselves as "humans", and considering the other group not humans.

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* Steven Brust Brust's ''Literature/{{Dragaera}}'' series renders this attitude by having both [[{{Dragaera}} Dragaerans]] Dragaerans (elves, more or less) and Easterners (humans, apparently), refer to themselves as "humans", and considering the other group not humans.
27th Jul '16 6:10:07 PM nombretomado
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* In ''{{Traveller}}'' the Aslan name themselves ''Fteir'' which means "People of honor". Which doesn't mean non-aslan are not people, just that they are dishonorable. It is possible, however, for a being born into a non-Aslan body to be treated as ''Fteirle'' by living according to its tenets- it is more of a philosophy than a racial identity.

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\n* In ''{{Traveller}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Traveller}}'' the Aslan name themselves ''Fteir'' which means "People of honor". Which doesn't mean non-aslan are not people, just that they are dishonorable. It is possible, however, for a being born into a non-Aslan body to be treated as ''Fteirle'' by living according to its tenets- it is more of a philosophy than a racial identity.








* CyranoDeBergerac: In Act II Scene VI, Roxane and Cyrano discuss this trope in regard to the attitude the Gascon Cadets take if you want to be part of the regiment and are not a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gascon]]. The GenreSavvy Roxane asks for Cyrano's help in averting this trope with Christian. In Act II Scene IX, we see this trope played straight: Christian is from Touraine, and that means he is not a Gascon, so he is [[EatingLunchAlone ostracized]], is given an EmbarrassingNickname, and is subjected to the charming InitiationCeremony (condoned by the otherwise benevolent Captain Carbon!) consisting of a [[DareToBeBadass dare]] to [[BullyingTheDragon Bully The Dragon]] by mentioning the word [[BerserkButton “nose” to Cyrano]].

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\n\n* CyranoDeBergerac: ''Theatre/CyranoDeBergerac'': In Act II Scene VI, Roxane and Cyrano discuss this trope in regard to the attitude the Gascon Cadets take if you want to be part of the regiment and are not a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gascon]]. The GenreSavvy Roxane asks for Cyrano's help in averting this trope with Christian. In Act II Scene IX, we see this trope played straight: Christian is from Touraine, and that means he is not a Gascon, so he is [[EatingLunchAlone ostracized]], is given an EmbarrassingNickname, and is subjected to the charming InitiationCeremony (condoned by the otherwise benevolent Captain Carbon!) consisting of a [[DareToBeBadass dare]] to [[BullyingTheDragon Bully The Dragon]] by mentioning the word [[BerserkButton “nose” to Cyrano]].















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1st Jul '16 1:31:48 AM PaulA
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* The Atan people of David Eddings' ''{{Tamuli}}'' are a bog-standard ProudWarriorRace, so naturally it's mentioned at one point that they consider everyone else to be non-humans. In a bit of a twist, though, they've long since sold themselves as slaves to the Tamul Empire, because without an external interest directing their warlike tendencies they would quickly devolve into constant civil war.

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* The Atan people of David Eddings' ''{{Tamuli}}'' ''Literature/TheTamuli'' are a bog-standard ProudWarriorRace, so naturally it's mentioned at one point that they consider everyone else to be non-humans. In a bit of a twist, though, they've long since sold themselves as slaves to the Tamul Empire, because without an external interest directing their warlike tendencies they would quickly devolve into constant civil war.
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