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19th Jun '16 2:37:00 PM nombretomado
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* [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Borsk Fey'lya]], to an astonishing degree. He was introduced in ''TheThrawnTrilogy'' as a Bothan council member of the New Republic, proudly flaunting his species' [[PlanetOfHats hat]] of [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder backbiting political savvy]] (the other hats being [[CityOfSpies spying]], [[HollywoodHacking hacking]], and [[ArsonMurderAndLifeSaving great personal courage]]). He literally cannot imagine his fellow Council members as ''not'' out to get him just as much as he is out to get them; everyone who opposes him is his enemy. He will try and bar them at any given opportunity. And he's on the New Republic's side, shows no signs of going over to the enemy, and does not actually engineer events so much as take advantage of them, so he is never the outright ''enemy'', to several characters' frustration, as that would've given them the ability to [[StatingTheSimpleSolution just shoot him]]. And unfortunately for everyone, he's ''very'' good at recovering from even the most embarrassing political setbacks.

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* [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Borsk Fey'lya]], to an astonishing degree. He was introduced in ''TheThrawnTrilogy'' ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy'' as a Bothan council member of the New Republic, proudly flaunting his species' [[PlanetOfHats hat]] of [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder backbiting political savvy]] (the other hats being [[CityOfSpies spying]], [[HollywoodHacking hacking]], and [[ArsonMurderAndLifeSaving great personal courage]]). He literally cannot imagine his fellow Council members as ''not'' out to get him just as much as he is out to get them; everyone who opposes him is his enemy. He will try and bar them at any given opportunity. And he's on the New Republic's side, shows no signs of going over to the enemy, and does not actually engineer events so much as take advantage of them, so he is never the outright ''enemy'', to several characters' frustration, as that would've given them the ability to [[StatingTheSimpleSolution just shoot him]]. And unfortunately for everyone, he's ''very'' good at recovering from even the most embarrassing political setbacks.
18th Jun '16 11:21:17 PM Gadjiltron
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* In the ''Ravnica: City of Guilds'' set of ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'', the Azorius Senate can be seen as an entire guild of such characters. Just look at the cards [[http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=96929 Droning Bureaucrats]] and [[http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=97083 Minister of Impediments]]. Naturally, the guild's cards lend themselves well to stalling and control strategies. The Guild Charter of Ravnica explicitly states that the purpose of the Azorius Senate is to make the most complex and confusing laws possible.

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* In the ''Ravnica: City of Guilds'' set of ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'', the Azorius Senate can be seen as an entire guild of such characters. Just look at the cards [[http://ww2.[[http://gatherer.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=96929 com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=96929 Droning Bureaucrats]] and [[http://ww2.[[http://gatherer.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=97083 com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=97083 Minister of Impediments]]. Naturally, the guild's cards lend themselves well to stalling and control strategies. The Guild Charter of Ravnica explicitly states that the purpose of the Azorius Senate is to make the most complex and confusing laws possible.
18th Jun '16 11:17:37 PM Gadjiltron
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** As bad as you may be, your boss is worse. If [[spoiler:he sees a sports poster or child's drawing on the wall]], he charges you what basically amounts to a hard day's work, for your ''first offense''.

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** As bad as you may be, your boss is worse. If [[spoiler:he he sees a sports poster or, family photo, or child's drawing on the wall]], wall, he charges you issues a fine equivalent to what basically amounts to a hard day's work, salary, for your ''first offense''.
28th May '16 9:40:56 PM MAI742
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** It should be noted that genuine fear for not following an order ("shoot them or we shoot you") can be used as a successful defence. Despite some claims to the contrary, this was never a factor at Nuremberg or any of the other post-war trials of German personnel - who were all volunteers. Germans who refused to commit war crimes or crimes against humanity were basically useless to the military and civilian security units tasked with carrying out such tasks than within them, as they could not be punished for refusing to carry them out. Such units encouraged shirkers to apply for transfers to regular military units, which undertook such tasks less frequently, so that more enthusiastic people could take their place. Of course, the Germans did force many non-Germans to kill for them as 'Hiwi' auxiliaries - but these were not tried in the same process.

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** It should be noted that genuine fear for not following an order ("shoot them or we shoot you") can be used as a successful defence. Despite some claims to the contrary, this was never a factor at Nuremberg or any of the other post-war trials of German personnel - who were all volunteers. Germans who refused to commit German citizens could not be coerced into committing war crimes or crimes against humanity humanity, and so were basically worse than useless to the military and civilian security units tasked with carrying out such tasks than within them, as they could not be punished for refusing to carry them out. Such tasks: their units encouraged shirkers them to apply for transfers to regular military units, which units (which undertook such tasks less frequently, frequently) so that more enthusiastic people could take their place. Of course, the Germans did force many non-Germans to kill for them as 'Hiwi' auxiliaries - but these were not tried in separately [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre by the same process.NKVD]].
28th May '16 9:37:06 PM MAI742
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* A number of Nazis at the Nuremberg trials post-UsefulNotes/WorldWarII defended themselves against charges of war crimes with the excuse that they were "JustFollowingOrders." The Nuremberg Defense has been ruled invalid in situations involving genocide or crimes against humanity, though it is still a completely valid legal defense in many military situations: the prosecution has to prove that it was unreasonable not to know the order was illegal. Opening a gate to let a convoy through: reasonable. Slaughtering twelve million people: unreasonable.
** It should be noted that genuine fear for not following an order ("Shoot him or we shoot your child") can be used as a successful defence.
** Early on in his career, Hitler would get around both the law and this trope by making intentionally vague orders to be interpreted in the harshest way possible, mostly as a way of [[VillainWithGoodPublicity downplaying his involvement]] in some of the Nazis' more violent doings. You can bet that if he wanted some Social Democrat or Communist "taken care of" he meant that he wanted that person to get the crap beaten out of them, or worse.
*** In general, though, one of the things leading to the Nazi regime's downfall is how Hitler, fearful of usurpation, tended to set his various departments against each other, in the end, causing a ton of time, manpower, and resources that could have otherwise gone to fighting external enemies to instead be used to obstruct any other department from looking better than one's own.

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* A number of Nazis German military, German civil service, and Nazi Party officials at the Nuremberg IMT/Nuremberg and other trials post-UsefulNotes/WorldWarII defended themselves against attempted to weasel out of the charges of war crimes with the excuse and crimes against humanity or reduce their sentences by claiming that they were "JustFollowingOrders." had been "JustFollowingOrders" - rather than exercising initiative, acting for personal gain, or lashing out in hatred. The Nuremberg Defense has been ruled invalid in situations involving genocide or crimes against humanity, though it is can still a completely valid legal defense in many for military situations: personnel: unlike in civilian law, the prosecution has to prove that it was unreasonable not for the defendant to know be ignorant of the fact that the order was illegal. Opening a gate to let a convoy through: reasonable. Slaughtering twelve million people: [[Usefulnotes/TheHolocaust Administering lethal injections to four hundred disabled children]]: unreasonable.
** It should be noted that genuine fear for not following an order ("Shoot him ("shoot them or we shoot your child") you") can be used as a successful defence.
defence. Despite some claims to the contrary, this was never a factor at Nuremberg or any of the other post-war trials of German personnel - who were all volunteers. Germans who refused to commit war crimes or crimes against humanity were basically useless to the military and civilian security units tasked with carrying out such tasks than within them, as they could not be punished for refusing to carry them out. Such units encouraged shirkers to apply for transfers to regular military units, which undertook such tasks less frequently, so that more enthusiastic people could take their place. Of course, the Germans did force many non-Germans to kill for them as 'Hiwi' auxiliaries - but these were not tried in the same process.
** Early on in his career, Hitler would get around both the law and this trope by making intentionally vague orders to be interpreted in the harshest way possible, mostly as a way of [[VillainWithGoodPublicity downplaying his involvement]] in some of the Nazis' Nazi-associated paramilitary groups' more violent doings. You can bet that if he wanted some Social Democrat or Communist "taken care of" he meant that he wanted that person to get the crap beaten out of them, be shanked, or worse.
*** In general, though, one of The biggest thing keeping the things leading to the Nazi regime's downfall is how Hitler, fearful of usurpation, tended to set his various departments against each other, in the end, causing a ton of time, manpower, and resources that could have otherwise gone to fighting external enemies to instead be used to obstruct any other department Nazis from looking better than one's own.coming ''anywhere near'' to getting an A-bomb was, right after encouraging their Jewish physicists (i.e. ''most of their physicists'') to emigrate, infighting. Of the five nuclear programmes, the most advanced was headed by ''the Post Office''.
22nd May '16 9:47:24 AM TheUnknownUploader
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* Rimmer from ''Series/RedDwarf'' tries to invoke all sorts of rules and regulations that even high-ranking officers don't care about.
21st May '16 9:47:23 AM erforce
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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', minor EPA official Walter Peck (played to perfection by William Atherton) had the unmitigated gall to arrest the Ghostbusters for causing an explosion that he himself was responsible for when he ordered, in front of multiple witnesses, that the ghost-containment grid be shut down, despite repeated warnings that would be disastrous. In a deleted scene, as Gozer the Gozerian was wreaking havoc, the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man was smashing up the city and the End Of The World was quite seriously nigh, Peck's response was to grab a fleeing police officer and order him to go up to arrest the Ghostbusters for "going too far". The officer's response, not unreasonably, was "''You'' go and arrest them!"

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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', ''Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}}'', minor EPA official Walter Peck (played to perfection by William Atherton) Creator/WilliamAtherton) had the unmitigated gall to arrest the Ghostbusters for causing an explosion that he himself was responsible for when he ordered, in front of multiple witnesses, that the ghost-containment grid be shut down, despite repeated warnings that would be disastrous. In a deleted scene, as Gozer the Gozerian was wreaking havoc, the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man was smashing up the city and the End Of The World was quite seriously nigh, Peck's response was to grab a fleeing police officer and order him to go up to arrest the Ghostbusters for "going too far". The officer's response, not unreasonably, was "''You'' go and arrest them!"
14th May '16 1:15:45 AM Morgenthaler
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* The Stellar Patrol in the {{Infocom}} games ''VideoGame/{{Planetfall}}'' and ''Stationfall'' administers an enormous galaxy-wide bureaucracy. Your mission at the start of ''Stationfall'' is to pick up a supply of Request for Stellar Patrol Issue Regulation Black Form Binders Request Form Forms.
* In ''MagicalStarsign'', the Space Police have an absurdly obstructive bureaucracy, as your party discovers when they ask them for help finding their missing teacher, and are redirected through dozens of different departments before finally getting a meeting with the local lieutenant, [[spoiler: only to find out that the Space Police have a policy of obstructing people asking for their help in order to keep their officers safe.]]

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* The Stellar Patrol in the {{Infocom}} Creator/{{Infocom}} games ''VideoGame/{{Planetfall}}'' and ''Stationfall'' administers an enormous galaxy-wide bureaucracy. Your mission at the start of ''Stationfall'' is to pick up a supply of Request for Stellar Patrol Issue Regulation Black Form Binders Request Form Forms.
* In ''MagicalStarsign'', ''VideoGame/MagicalStarsign'', the Space Police have an absurdly obstructive bureaucracy, as your party discovers when they ask them for help finding their missing teacher, and are redirected through dozens of different departments before finally getting a meeting with the local lieutenant, [[spoiler: only to find out that the Space Police have a policy of obstructing people asking for their help in order to keep their officers safe.]]



* Though the bureaucrats themselves are never actually seen, the Peacekeeper faction in SidMeiersAlphaCentauri has such extensive bureaucracy that it gives them an automatic penalty to efficiency.
* VideoGame/SimCity 4 combines this, ShapedLikeItself and the DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment with the Bureau of Bureaucracy building. Its description? "The bureau that handles bureaucracy".

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* Though the bureaucrats themselves are never actually seen, the Peacekeeper faction in SidMeiersAlphaCentauri ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri'' has such extensive bureaucracy that it gives them an automatic penalty to efficiency.
* VideoGame/SimCity 4 ''VideoGame/SimCity 4'' combines this, ShapedLikeItself and the DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment with the Bureau of Bureaucracy building. Its description? "The bureau that handles bureaucracy".
14th May '16 1:08:50 AM Tron80
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* ''Fanfic/{{Quicken}}'': When Emma is looking for her sister, she goes to her college. Unfortunately a RA refused to let her see Anne or tell her if her sister was even there.
10th Apr '16 6:37:02 PM jormis29
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* Elevated to an art form by Sir {{Humphrey}} Appleby in ''YesMinister'' and ''YesPrimeMinister''.

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* Elevated to an art form by Sir {{Humphrey}} Humphrey Appleby in ''YesMinister'' ''Series/YesMinister'' and ''YesPrimeMinister''.''Series/YesPrimeMinister''.
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