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19th Feb '17 6:16:31 PM LavenderCat
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** Another good example would be Samantha Malcolm of the season 5 episode "Uncanny". Mentally unbalanced after prolonged sexual abuse by her father - and countless rounds of electroshock he subjected her to so she'd never rat him out - Samantha only wants to recreate the dolls she loved as a child. Unfortunately, she does this by abducting women, keeping them paralyzed with a cocktail of drugs, and sewing them into dresses and wigs to resemble her beloved toys. She has no real idea that what she's doing is wrong, and Reid points out that her intention isn't to kill the women she takes, to the point where she actually takes relatively good care of them. She just keeps them paralyzed for so long they eventually die of overdoses.
12th Feb '17 4:30:03 AM Wkenneth334
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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'':
** Majin Buu's first form, [[FanNickname Fat Buu]], doesn't really know that killing millions of people is ''wrong''. He even turns an old man into milk as a gift for a small child because the child complimented him. Mr. Satan actually turns him into a good guy temporarily just by explaining to him that it's bad to kill people. Then, just as it looks like the FakeUltimateHero has actually saved the world, someone shoots Mr. Satan and his pet dog. [[EnemyWithout Buu doesn't take it well.]] Justified because Bibidi (Babidi's father) ''made'' him to destroy, and that's all anyone ever ordered him to do. Mr. Satan was the only one that even took the approach to explain it to him, after Bibidi and Babidi were both dead.
** Turns out this was basically a ThanatosGambit made by the previous Guardian of the entire Universe (who looked like a PaletteSwap of Fat Buu). When Buu was first created, the Guardian saw that he was too powerful to defeat with direct confrontation and so allowed Buu to absorb him so that his own purity and innocence would overwhelm the incredible malice and hatred the creature possessed(it also greatly reduced Buu's aggression, making him more like a playful but destructive child rather than actively malicious) This is what made it possible for Mr. Satan to reason with him. When Super Buu "purifies" himself of everyone he's absorbed, he reverts back to Kid Buu, his weakest form, but dangerously more [[AxCrazy insane and malevolent]]. Unlike any of Buu's previous forms, he has no dialogue (no playful songs, no one-liners, no monologuing on his superiority) except for maniacal laughter as he kills people and blows up planets for fun.

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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'':
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''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Majin Buu's first form, [[FanNickname Fat Buu]], doesn't really know that killing millions of people is ''wrong''. He even turns an old man into milk as a gift for a small child because the child complimented him. Mr. Satan actually turns him into a good guy temporarily just by explaining to him that it's bad to kill people. Then, just as it looks like the FakeUltimateHero has actually saved the world, someone shoots Mr. Satan and his pet dog. [[EnemyWithout Buu doesn't take it well.]] Justified because Bibidi (Babidi's father) ''made'' him to destroy, and that's all anyone ever ordered him to do. Mr. Satan was the only one that even took the approach to explain it to him, after Bibidi and Babidi were both dead.
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dead. But it turns out this was basically a ThanatosGambit made by the previous Guardian of the entire Universe (who looked like a PaletteSwap of Fat Buu). When Buu was first created, the Guardian saw that he was too powerful to defeat with direct confrontation and so allowed Buu to absorb him so that his own purity and innocence would overwhelm the incredible malice and hatred the creature possessed(it also greatly reduced Buu's aggression, making him more like a playful but destructive child rather than actively malicious) This is what made it possible for Mr. Satan to reason with him. When Super Buu "purifies" himself of everyone he's absorbed, he reverts back to Kid Buu, his weakest form, but dangerously more [[AxCrazy insane and malevolent]]. Unlike any of Buu's previous forms, he has no dialogue (no playful songs, no one-liners, no monologuing on his superiority) except for maniacal laughter as he kills people and blows up planets for fun.
7th Feb '17 5:50:59 PM kome360
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** Some of them have found beaches to lounge on, cities to live in... and in some of the endings, the protagonists go on a one-man rampage mass-murdering any shibito they can find, even the ones that are clearly running for their lives while wailing in fear. By then the protagonists have been conditioned to believe that any and all humanlike behavior from the shibito is a WoundedGazelleGambit.
27th Jan '17 7:26:56 PM CJCroen1393
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* One of the things that makes [[TheFundamentalist Judge Claude Frollo]] from ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'' such a particularly vile Disney villain is this trope--to quote [[TheStoryteller Clopin]], "he sees corruption everywhere ''except'' within", and boy does it show. In his EstablishingCharacterMoment, he murders an innocent woman and tries to drown her infant son [[DisproportionateRetribution because she resisted arrest and he's ugly respectively]], and only spares the boy when the Archdeacon guilt trips him into it. Later, he grows increasingly more lustful for the beautiful Romani woman Esmeralda, assaults her at least twice and later tries to ''[[IfICantHaveYou kill her]]'', all while insisting that ''he's'' not the one who's at fault and pinning all the blame on Esmeralda (whom he sees as a wicked witch who had cast a spell on him) and ''God'' (for making him capable of succumbing to such temptations in the first place). All throughout the film, he never even once considers that he's in the wrong and genuinely seems to believe that he's acting by the will of God. Like the aforementioned Shou Tucker, Frollo is a good example of the fact that this trope can sometimes make a villain ''even worse''.
23rd Jan '17 10:08:22 AM AndIntroducingALeg
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* The Bogeys in Fungus the Bogeyman travel to the surface of Earth every night to frighten, pester, and otherwise disturb the human "drycleaners" who live there. The Bogeys get no pleasure from this and gain nothing from it. In fact they've got absolutely no idea why they do it. It's just what Bogeys do.

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* The Bogeys in ''[[Creator/RaymondBriggs Fungus the Bogeyman Bogeyman]]'' travel to the surface of Earth every night to frighten, pester, and otherwise disturb the human "drycleaners" who live there. The Bogeys get no pleasure from this and gain nothing from it. In fact they've got absolutely no idea why they do it. It's just what Bogeys do.
17th Jan '17 3:49:23 PM margdean56
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* ''Literature/TheGreatDivorce'' has an example in the vein of ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'' example above. Most of the sinners depicted are unaware of their evilness (and that they're in hell), but a few are mentioned who are CardCarryingVillains who just went up to heaven's borders to defy it. Apparently, these ones are easier to redeem than the ones who already think they're good.

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* ''Literature/TheGreatDivorce'' has an example in the vein of ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'' example above. Most of the sinners depicted are unaware of their evilness (and that they're in hell), but a few are mentioned who are CardCarryingVillains {{Card Carrying Villain}}s who just went up to heaven's borders to defy it. Apparently, these ones are easier to redeem than the ones who already think they're good.



* [[TheFairFolk The gentleman with the thistle-down hair]] in ''Literature/JonathanStrangeAndMrNorrell'' is very much like this, stealing away people into Faerie in the belief that they'd be happier there, scheming to kill the magicians under the belief of their wickedness while speaking happily of massacring children, and making the life of his unwilling "good friend" Stephen Black a torment. [[spoiler: As Stephen kills him, he admits that the gentleman only [[PoisonousFriend meant to help him]], and apologises while dealing the final blow]]. In this case the strife is largely attributable to BlueAndOrangeMorality.

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* [[TheFairFolk The gentleman with the thistle-down hair]] in ''Literature/JonathanStrangeAndMrNorrell'' is very much like this, stealing away people into Faerie in the belief that they'd be happier there, scheming to kill the magicians under in the belief of their wickedness while speaking happily of massacring children, and making the life of his unwilling "good friend" Stephen Black a torment. [[spoiler: As Stephen kills him, he admits that the gentleman only [[PoisonousFriend meant to help him]], and apologises while dealing the final blow]]. In this case the strife is largely attributable to BlueAndOrangeMorality.
17th Jan '17 3:45:42 PM margdean56
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** The assassin Jonathan Teatime from ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}'' does not seem to entirely understand that his actions (and he himself) are evil. As Susan Sto-Helit says when confronting him, "You were the little boy who didn't know the difference between throwing a stone at a cat and setting a cat on fire." Teatime is only an apprentice assassin. Not because he can't perform well, but because he is known within the Assasssin's Guild for ''lack of elegance'' on his assignments, which, in his case, means not only killing the target but nailing the target's head to the wall and killing his family, servants, and household pets on the way out for fun. Oddly enough, he actually likes animals--he just doesn't think of drugging a guard dog instead of nailing it to the ceiling.

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** The assassin Jonathan Teatime from ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}'' does not seem to entirely understand that his actions (and he himself) are evil. As Susan Sto-Helit says when confronting him, "You were the little boy who didn't know the difference between throwing a stone at a cat and setting a cat on fire." Teatime is only an apprentice assassin. Not because he can't perform well, but because he is known within the Assasssin's Assassin's Guild for ''lack of elegance'' on his assignments, which, in his case, means not only killing the target but nailing the target's head to the wall and killing his family, servants, and household pets on the way out for fun. Oddly enough, he actually likes animals--he just doesn't think of drugging a guard dog instead of nailing it to the ceiling.



* [[AlphaBitch Phaidor]] in Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs' ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Gods of Mars]]''. Her people, the [[ReligionOfEvil Holy]] [[LightIsNotGood Therns]], promoted [[PathOfInspiration a millenia-long cult]] that practiced [[MadeASlave slavery]] and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]] upon all other Martian races, [[FantasticRacism whom they regarded as inferior]]. When she is confronted about it by TheHero, she is completely naive as to why this would be morally abhorrent and considers such fate for a lesser creature to be a slave for them a privilege.

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* [[AlphaBitch Phaidor]] in Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs' ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Gods of Mars]]''. Her people, the [[ReligionOfEvil Holy]] [[LightIsNotGood Therns]], promoted [[PathOfInspiration a millenia-long millennia-long cult]] that practiced [[MadeASlave slavery]] and [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]] upon all other Martian races, [[FantasticRacism whom they regarded as inferior]]. When she is confronted about it by TheHero, she is completely naive as to why this would be morally abhorrent and considers such a fate for a lesser creature to creature--to be a slave for them a them--a privilege.
11th Jan '17 6:35:45 PM Idek618
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** Heck, in what is arguably his only appearance as an actual character in the series proper, Fire Lord Sozin, the man who started the Hundred Year War, lead the attempted genocide of the Air Nomads, and was responsible for most conflicts in the show, came up with it all with nothing but the honest intention of bringing his domain's progress and prosperity to everyone. He even brought up the subject to his best friend, Avatar Roku, protector of good and balance in the world at the time, expecting nothing but joy and support.

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** Heck, in what is arguably his only appearance as an actual character in the series proper, Fire Lord Sozin, the man who started the Hundred Year War, lead led the attempted genocide of the Air Nomads, and was responsible for most conflicts in the show, came up with it all with nothing but the honest intention of bringing his domain's progress and prosperity to everyone. He even brought up the subject to his best friend, Avatar Roku, protector of good and balance in the world at the time, expecting nothing but joy and support.
1st Jan '17 3:03:54 PM Bugfragged
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* ''Anime/Danganronpa3'' has the Remnants of Despair[[spoiler:, who were brainwashed by the BigBad, Junko Enoshima. During their "graduation" they announce their plans to make the world a better place, yet the video game installments show that they're doing the exact opposite of what they're saying by spreading war and despair. The only person listening to them is their equally brainwashed teacher, which means they're not consciously lying and that they actually interpret their atrocities as humanitarian actions.]]
25th Dec '16 1:38:42 PM LittleGoat
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->''"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth."''

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->''"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth."''



-->''Galad's head jerked in irritation. Or maybe he was offended. “How often must I tell you? I would never let harm come to my sister.”''

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-->''Galad's head jerked in irritation. Or maybe he was offended. “How "How often must I tell you? I would never let harm come to my sister.”''"''



** ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'': Cyrus was [[FreudianExcuse so twisted by bad parenting]] that he decided the world would be a better place without that sort of emotional turmoil -- [[NietzscheWannabe or any emotions at all]]. To this end he wants to [[ApocalypseHow mercy-kill reality]] and [[EndOfTheWorldSpecial start over]] to rid the universe of human spirit, and while he understands that the player character would oppose that out of self-preservation, he thinks they're being naiive by insisting human spirit is a good thing.

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** ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'': Cyrus was [[FreudianExcuse so twisted by bad parenting]] that he decided the world would be a better place without that sort of emotional turmoil -- [[NietzscheWannabe or any emotions at all]]. To this end he wants to [[ApocalypseHow mercy-kill reality]] and [[EndOfTheWorldSpecial start over]] to rid the universe of human spirit, and while he understands that the player character would oppose that out of self-preservation, he thinks they're being naiive naive by insisting human spirit is a good thing.
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