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25th Nov '17 10:40:06 PM Vir
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* Jellal from ''Manga/FairyTail'', in the arc where he appears. He seems to genuinely believe that he's doing the right thing, but what he's trying to do is bring the story's BiggerBad back from the dead. That he kills one of his former friends, enslaves hundreds (albeit without them realizing this) and psychologically tortures his love interest before trying to use her as a sacrifice don't clue him in to the fact that he's on the wrong side. It does help that he was [[spoiler:BrainwashedAndCrazy]] at the time, but later chapters have painted this less as total control and more as giving him the motive and letting him handle the rest.

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* Jellal from ''Manga/FairyTail'', in the arc where he appears. He seems to genuinely believe that he's doing the right thing, but what he's trying to do is bring the story's BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain back from the dead. That he kills one of his former friends, enslaves hundreds (albeit without them realizing this) and psychologically tortures his love interest before trying to use her as a sacrifice don't clue him in to the fact that he's on the wrong side. It does help that he was [[spoiler:BrainwashedAndCrazy]] at the time, but later chapters have painted this less as total control and more as giving him the motive and letting him handle the rest.
25th Nov '17 10:39:09 PM Vir
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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Majin Buu's first form, [[FanNickname Fat Buu]], doesn't really know that killing millions of people is ''wrong''. He even turns an old man into milk as a gift for a small child because the child complimented him. Mr. Satan actually turns him into a good guy temporarily just by explaining to him that it's bad to kill people. Then, just as it looks like the FakeUltimateHero has actually saved the world, someone shoots Mr. Satan and his pet dog. [[EnemyWithout Buu doesn't take it well]]. Justified because Bibidi (Babidi's father) ''made'' him to destroy, and that's all anyone ever ordered him to do. Mr. Satan was the only one that even took the approach to explain it to him, after Bibidi and Babidi were both dead. But it turns out this was basically a ThanatosGambit made by the previous Guardian of the entire Universe (who looked like a PaletteSwap of Fat Buu). When Buu was first created, the Guardian saw that he was too powerful to defeat with direct confrontation and so allowed Buu to absorb him so that his own purity and innocence would overwhelm the incredible malice and hatred the creature possessed(it also greatly reduced Buu's aggression, making him more like a playful but destructive child rather than actively malicious) This is what made it possible for Mr. Satan to reason with him. When Super Buu "purifies" himself of everyone he's absorbed, he reverts back to Kid Buu, his weakest form, but dangerously more [[AxCrazy insane and malevolent]]. Unlike any of Buu's previous forms, he has no dialogue (no playful songs, no one-liners, no monologuing on his superiority) except for maniacal laughter as he kills people and blows up planets for fun.

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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Majin Buu's first form, [[FanNickname Fat Buu]], doesn't really know that killing millions of people is ''wrong''. He even turns an old man into milk as a gift for a small child because the child complimented him. Mr. Satan actually turns him into a good guy temporarily just by explaining to him that it's bad to kill people. Then, just as it looks like the FakeUltimateHero has actually saved the world, someone shoots Mr. Satan and his pet dog. [[EnemyWithout Buu doesn't take it well]]. Justified because Bibidi (Babidi's father) ''made'' him to destroy, and that's all anyone ever ordered him to do. Mr. Satan was the only one that even took the approach to explain it to him, after Bibidi and Babidi were both dead. But it turns out this was basically a ThanatosGambit made by the previous Guardian of the entire Universe (who looked like a PaletteSwap of Fat Buu). When Buu was first created, the Guardian saw that he was too powerful to defeat with direct confrontation and so allowed Buu to absorb him so that his own purity and innocence would overwhelm the incredible malice and hatred the creature possessed(it possessed (it also greatly reduced Buu's aggression, making him more like a playful but destructive child rather than actively malicious) malicious). This is what made it possible for Mr. Satan to reason with him. When Super Buu "purifies" himself of everyone he's absorbed, he reverts back to Kid Buu, his weakest form, but dangerously more [[AxCrazy insane and malevolent]]. Unlike any of Buu's previous forms, he has no dialogue (no playful songs, no one-liners, no monologuing on his superiority) except for maniacal laughter as he kills people and blows up planets for fun.
9th Nov '17 10:03:14 AM chopshop
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* In the ''Literature/XeeleeSequence'', it eventually turns out that [[spoiler: the photino birds are this. They're [[EldritchAbomination cosmic monsters]] made of dark matter who seek to accelerate stellar evolution so that stars can no longer go supernova, which will [[OmnicidalManiac kill nearly everything in the universe]]... and they don't even realize they're hurting anyone. They can't perceive most forms of life, so they're unaware that the universe is inhabited by anyone except them and the Xeelee. The only reason they're not just keeping to themselves is because they require suns for their breeding process and [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom mistakenly thought that stars weren't supposed to go supernova and thus needed to be "fixed"]].]] By the end of the series, [[spoiler: the Xeelee give up on trying to stop them and just help everybody else escape to the next universe over. The current universe is left to be reshaped by the photino birds, who remain as oblivious as ever to the trouble they caused.]]
4th Nov '17 4:06:30 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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** Jay is at least partially, if not primarily, responsible for the continued degradation of the Hospital and the concept of healthcare across the Range through his dedicated campaign to [[KilledOffForReal unexistentialize]] the staff and clientele of the Hospital, but to his perception, he's the hero in some kind of ''VideoGame/SilentHill'' / ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'' nightmare scenario, and he's only defending himself from horrible monsters.

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** Jay is at least partially, if not primarily, responsible for the continued degradation of the Hospital and the concept of healthcare across the Range through his dedicated campaign to [[KilledOffForReal unexistentialize]] the staff and clientele of the Hospital, but to his perception, he's the hero in some kind of ''VideoGame/SilentHill'' ''Franchise/SilentHill'' / ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'' ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' nightmare scenario, and he's only defending himself from horrible monsters.
3rd Nov '17 11:25:49 AM captainspycrab
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* ''Webcomic/AwfulHospital'' has implications that this may be the case for many major antagonists, each of which believes that the others are in the wrong, at least so far as they can perceive each other:
** Doctor Phage believes that he is the ultimate concept of medical treatment, and therefore the expert on treating Fern's son. Everything he has done, he genuinely believes is in the best interest of his patients. [[spoiler: Although it's implied that he's been conceptually 'hollowed out' by Parliament forces that are using him as a puppet, a fact of which he may or may not be aware.]]
** Jay is at least partially, if not primarily, responsible for the continued degradation of the Hospital and the concept of healthcare across the Range through his dedicated campaign to [[KilledOffForReal unexistentialize]] the staff and clientele of the Hospital, but to his perception, he's the hero in some kind of ''VideoGame/SilentHill'' / ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'' nightmare scenario, and he's only defending himself from horrible monsters.
** The Parliament of the Old Flesh believes that all concepts in the Range are only diseases afflicting the Ur-Concept/the Cake/the Old Flesh, that which existed before anything else; the Parliament's Omnivirus is intended to 'cure' those diseases and return existence to that pristine state at the beginning of all things.
** The Burgrr cast are the concept of food service and food processing given physical form. Their entire purpose is to create and distribute meat products for the purpose of ingestion; they genuinely see nothing wrong with rewarding the protagonist for her help fixing their giant meat grinder by [[spoiler:tossing her into said meat grinder and serving her remains as the lunch special.]]
** Indeed, it's a major theme of the story that everyone's Obliviously Evil to someone or something somewhere. It's strongly implied that even the Protagonist herself may be doing more harm than good; there are strong indicators that if she really does accomplish her goal and find her son, their mere proximity may cause the spread and/or progression of the Omnivirus to worsen dramatically.
** The Corpse Friends, Celia, Staph, and Maggie, just wanted to use the Exvironator-contaminated Flush to expand their decaying 'World'[[note]]actually a Zone conceptually based on Fern's decaying corpse[[/note]], but this 'expansion' took the form of all of Fern's [[DeathIsCheap past and future corpses]] in the Morgue [[OurZombiesAreDifferent Slobbifying]].
13th Oct '17 10:37:09 AM Allronix
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* In the graphic novel ''[[TronTwoPointOh Tron: Ghost in the Machine]]'' the protagonist realizes what being a [[ThankTheMaker User]] means (similar to the ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'') example, and has a cross of HeroicBSOD and HeelRealization all at once when he realizes he and all other humans who use computers have been this to the computer world inhabitants.

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* In the graphic novel ''[[TronTwoPointOh ''[[VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh Tron: Ghost in the Machine]]'' the protagonist realizes what being a [[ThankTheMaker User]] means (similar to the ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'') example, and has a cross of HeroicBSOD and HeelRealization all at once when he realizes he and all other humans who use computers have been this to the computer world inhabitants.
11th Oct '17 2:15:37 PM Scorntex
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* ''ComicBook/BeastWarsUprising:'' The first [[AbusivePrecursor Builder]] murdered by the Uprising, Override, actually seems confused as to why the Resistance are attacking her, mentioning the Builders "keep order". I.e. maintain a fascistic police state propped up by racism and petty jealousy, where Maximals and Predacons can and are dragged off to rigged blood-sports at a moment's notice, something Override is watching ''at that very moment''.

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10th Oct '17 8:50:38 PM Linda58
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** Considering Thor more or less tried to do the same thing at the beginning of the movie and was told off by Odin for it, it's apparent Loki wasn't paying attention.
30th Sep '17 10:04:30 PM nombretomado
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* In ''ImmortalDefense'', you're introduced to a group of quirky and lovable Points that represent your emotions, which you use to fight enemies. And they go on being quirky and lovable while you use them to [[spoiler:commit genocide, betray a people who worshipped you, and kill millions of relatively innocent aliens while defending --]] '''''Big freaking spoiler:''''' [[spoiler:-- a rock in space that you've deluded yourself is your dead homeworld come back to life]].

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* In ''ImmortalDefense'', ''VideoGame/ImmortalDefense'', you're introduced to a group of quirky and lovable Points that represent your emotions, which you use to fight enemies. And they go on being quirky and lovable while you use them to [[spoiler:commit genocide, betray a people who worshipped you, and kill millions of relatively innocent aliens while defending --]] '''''Big freaking spoiler:''''' [[spoiler:-- a rock in space that you've deluded yourself is your dead homeworld come back to life]].
12th Sep '17 4:22:57 AM WillBGood
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** A variation occurs in the ''TabletopGame/{{Ravenloft}}'' setting, where this Trope applies to ''every single'' Darklord. While their pasts, motives, [[StartOfDarkness how they began to fall into evil]] and [[MoralEventHorizon actions that condemned them]] tend to vary, there is one common threat, they ''all do not see their actions as wrong''. If a mortal ever has the need to struggle with morality issues over his acts, he cannot become a Darklord.

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** A variation occurs in the ''TabletopGame/{{Ravenloft}}'' setting, where this Trope applies to ''every single'' Darklord. While their pasts, motives, [[StartOfDarkness how they began what caused them to fall into evil]] and [[MoralEventHorizon what actions that condemned them]] tend to vary, there is one common threat, they ''all do not thread: ''none of them see their actions as wrong''. If a mortal ever has the need to struggle with morality issues over his acts, he cannot become a Darklord.
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