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26th Mar '17 9:43:47 PM Mhazard
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** Light himself is one as well. How obvious is it when he's [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans trying to make the world a better place]] [[KnightTemplar by killing]]. When Light says he plans to kill all the evil people in the world, Ryuk says "Then you'd be the only evil person left." Light says he doesn't understand what Ryuk means.

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** Light himself is one as well. How obvious is it when he's [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans trying to make the world a better place]] [[KnightTemplar by killing]]. When Light says he plans to kill all the evil people in the world, Ryuk says "Then "[[HeWhoFightsMonsters Then you'd be the only evil person left.left]]." Light says he doesn't understand what Ryuk means.
22nd Mar '17 8:41:26 AM Allronix
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* In the graphic novel ''[[TronTwoPointOh Tron: Ghost in the Machine]]'' the protagonist realizes what being a [[ThankTheMaker User]] means (similar to the ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'') example, and has a cross of HeroicBSOD and HeelRealization all at once when he realizes he and all other humans who use computers have been this to the computer world inhabitants.
21st Mar '17 6:54:24 PM billybobfred
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** Kornada's personal assistant is a robot who literally cannot comprehend that Kornada's best interests are not anyone else's best interests, and tirelessly pushes for the aforementioned robot mass mind-erasure with the belief that it's doing good.

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** Kornada's personal assistant is a robot who literally cannot comprehend that Kornada's best interests are not anyone else's best interests, and tirelessly pushes for the aforementioned robot mass mind-erasure with the belief that it's doing good. [[spoiler:This turns out to be largely due to {{Brainwashing}} via [[ThatsAnOrder direct orders]]. Once Ishiguro returns and releases Clippy from Kornada's orders, he starts returning to rational thought, though he has yet to fully recover.]]
9th Mar '17 10:38:32 AM gophergiggles
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* Though even "evil" is probably a tad bit strong as the worst he does is hold Princess Peach against her will and pick a fight with Mario (both of which are practically national sports in the Mushroom Kingdom at this point), and cause some trouble in Marrymore, Booster from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG'' is basically an oblivious ManChild who isn't even able to understand what crying ''is'', let alone that Peach is doing it because she's upset about being forced to marry him. Though very rough around the edges, he just wants to invite people to come to his tower, play with him and his snifits, and eat cake. [[spoiler:Returning to his tower after defeating Valentina shows she's not only landed at Booster Tower, but Booster was actually able to win her affections by whispering something into her ear]].
8th Mar '17 2:37:20 PM AFP
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* HAL 9000 from ''Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey''. While not directly explained in Kubrick's movie, the novel and [[Film/TwoThousandTenTheYearWeMakeContact sequel]] elaborate that he was programmed to be both completely truthful and keep the crew from the motivations behind the flight to Jupiter -- and when the crew becomes inquisitive, [[TakeAThirdOption he has to find a way to fulfill both]]. ''2010'' shows that HAL is [[spoiler:not inherently ill-willed -- he agrees to let himself be destroyed with the ''Discovery'' to save the ''Leonov'''s crew]].

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* HAL 9000 from ''Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey''. While not directly explained in Kubrick's movie, the novel and [[Film/TwoThousandTenTheYearWeMakeContact sequel]] elaborate that he was programmed to be both completely truthful and keep the crew from the motivations behind the flight to Jupiter -- and when the crew becomes inquisitive, [[TakeAThirdOption he has to find a way to fulfill both]]. ''2010'' shows that HAL is [[spoiler:not inherently ill-willed -- he agrees to let himself be destroyed with the ''Discovery'' to save the ''Leonov'''s crew]].crew, thanking the humans for explaining the situation to him]].
19th Feb '17 6:16:31 PM LavenderCat
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** Another good example would be Samantha Malcolm of the season 5 episode "Uncanny". Mentally unbalanced after prolonged sexual abuse by her father - and countless rounds of electroshock he subjected her to so she'd never rat him out - Samantha only wants to recreate the dolls she loved as a child. Unfortunately, she does this by abducting women, keeping them paralyzed with a cocktail of drugs, and sewing them into dresses and wigs to resemble her beloved toys. She has no real idea that what she's doing is wrong, and Reid points out that her intention isn't to kill the women she takes, to the point where she actually takes relatively good care of them. She just keeps them paralyzed for so long they eventually die of overdoses.
12th Feb '17 4:30:03 AM Wkenneth334
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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'':
** Majin Buu's first form, [[FanNickname Fat Buu]], doesn't really know that killing millions of people is ''wrong''. He even turns an old man into milk as a gift for a small child because the child complimented him. Mr. Satan actually turns him into a good guy temporarily just by explaining to him that it's bad to kill people. Then, just as it looks like the FakeUltimateHero has actually saved the world, someone shoots Mr. Satan and his pet dog. [[EnemyWithout Buu doesn't take it well.]] Justified because Bibidi (Babidi's father) ''made'' him to destroy, and that's all anyone ever ordered him to do. Mr. Satan was the only one that even took the approach to explain it to him, after Bibidi and Babidi were both dead.
** Turns out this was basically a ThanatosGambit made by the previous Guardian of the entire Universe (who looked like a PaletteSwap of Fat Buu). When Buu was first created, the Guardian saw that he was too powerful to defeat with direct confrontation and so allowed Buu to absorb him so that his own purity and innocence would overwhelm the incredible malice and hatred the creature possessed(it also greatly reduced Buu's aggression, making him more like a playful but destructive child rather than actively malicious) This is what made it possible for Mr. Satan to reason with him. When Super Buu "purifies" himself of everyone he's absorbed, he reverts back to Kid Buu, his weakest form, but dangerously more [[AxCrazy insane and malevolent]]. Unlike any of Buu's previous forms, he has no dialogue (no playful songs, no one-liners, no monologuing on his superiority) except for maniacal laughter as he kills people and blows up planets for fun.

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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'':
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''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Majin Buu's first form, [[FanNickname Fat Buu]], doesn't really know that killing millions of people is ''wrong''. He even turns an old man into milk as a gift for a small child because the child complimented him. Mr. Satan actually turns him into a good guy temporarily just by explaining to him that it's bad to kill people. Then, just as it looks like the FakeUltimateHero has actually saved the world, someone shoots Mr. Satan and his pet dog. [[EnemyWithout Buu doesn't take it well.]] Justified because Bibidi (Babidi's father) ''made'' him to destroy, and that's all anyone ever ordered him to do. Mr. Satan was the only one that even took the approach to explain it to him, after Bibidi and Babidi were both dead.
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dead. But it turns out this was basically a ThanatosGambit made by the previous Guardian of the entire Universe (who looked like a PaletteSwap of Fat Buu). When Buu was first created, the Guardian saw that he was too powerful to defeat with direct confrontation and so allowed Buu to absorb him so that his own purity and innocence would overwhelm the incredible malice and hatred the creature possessed(it also greatly reduced Buu's aggression, making him more like a playful but destructive child rather than actively malicious) This is what made it possible for Mr. Satan to reason with him. When Super Buu "purifies" himself of everyone he's absorbed, he reverts back to Kid Buu, his weakest form, but dangerously more [[AxCrazy insane and malevolent]]. Unlike any of Buu's previous forms, he has no dialogue (no playful songs, no one-liners, no monologuing on his superiority) except for maniacal laughter as he kills people and blows up planets for fun.
7th Feb '17 5:50:59 PM kome360
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** Some of them have found beaches to lounge on, cities to live in... and in some of the endings, the protagonists go on a one-man rampage mass-murdering any shibito they can find, even the ones that are clearly running for their lives while wailing in fear. By then the protagonists have been conditioned to believe that any and all humanlike behavior from the shibito is a WoundedGazelleGambit.
27th Jan '17 7:26:56 PM CJCroen1393
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* One of the things that makes [[TheFundamentalist Judge Claude Frollo]] from ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'' such a particularly vile Disney villain is this trope--to quote [[TheStoryteller Clopin]], "he sees corruption everywhere ''except'' within", and boy does it show. In his EstablishingCharacterMoment, he murders an innocent woman and tries to drown her infant son [[DisproportionateRetribution because she resisted arrest and he's ugly respectively]], and only spares the boy when the Archdeacon guilt trips him into it. Later, he grows increasingly more lustful for the beautiful Romani woman Esmeralda, assaults her at least twice and later tries to ''[[IfICantHaveYou kill her]]'', all while insisting that ''he's'' not the one who's at fault and pinning all the blame on Esmeralda (whom he sees as a wicked witch who had cast a spell on him) and ''God'' (for making him capable of succumbing to such temptations in the first place). All throughout the film, he never even once considers that he's in the wrong and genuinely seems to believe that he's acting by the will of God. Like the aforementioned Shou Tucker, Frollo is a good example of the fact that this trope can sometimes make a villain ''even worse''.
23rd Jan '17 10:08:22 AM AndIntroducingALeg
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* The Bogeys in Fungus the Bogeyman travel to the surface of Earth every night to frighten, pester, and otherwise disturb the human "drycleaners" who live there. The Bogeys get no pleasure from this and gain nothing from it. In fact they've got absolutely no idea why they do it. It's just what Bogeys do.

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* The Bogeys in ''[[Creator/RaymondBriggs Fungus the Bogeyman Bogeyman]]'' travel to the surface of Earth every night to frighten, pester, and otherwise disturb the human "drycleaners" who live there. The Bogeys get no pleasure from this and gain nothing from it. In fact they've got absolutely no idea why they do it. It's just what Bogeys do.
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