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** Then used plenty on the rebel side in the FinalBattle for the capitol, starting when Katniss kills a random civilian woman who stumbles on her squad as they infiltrate the Capitol-held territory then TurnedUpToEleven in the final sequence with the rebels (including Gale and Katniss) firing indiscriminately into crowds of civilians, Gale murdering a wounded peacekeeper to take his rifle and finally [[spoiler:District 13 aircraft firebombing a courtyard packed with children, using bombs that detonate a second time to eliminate the rescue personnel.]]

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** Then used plenty on the rebel side in the FinalBattle for the capitol, starting when Katniss kills a random civilian woman who stumbles on her squad as they infiltrate the Capitol-held territory then TurnedUpToEleven in the final sequence with the rebels (including Gale and Katniss) firing indiscriminately into crowds of civilians, Gale murdering a wounded peacekeeper to take his rifle and finally [[spoiler:District 13 aircraft firebombing a courtyard packed with children, using bombs that detonate a second time with delayed fuses to eliminate the rescue personnel.]]
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* In an early scene in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'', the guerrilla fighters in Gibraltar whom ''Minerva'' assisted previously are shown executing the Earth Alliance officers they've taken prisoner. This can be interpreted as an early indication that the protagonist may not be fighting on the righteous side, after all...
* A similar scene occurs in the Battle Of Panama in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED''. After taking Panama base and destroying its mass driver, several ZAFT mobile suit pilots start shooting the surrendering Federation troopers. This was said to have been in response to the Battle of JOSH-A, where the Atlantic Federation brass activated a microwave device hidden underneath the base, wiping out most of the ZAFT forces as they broke through, as well as the remaining Federation defenders (Who were [[TheUriahGambit mostly from the Eurasian Federation, solidifying the Atlantic Federation's dominance of the Earth Alliance]]). It was a sign that the war was [[ItsPersonal turning personal]] (or [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar worse]]) for soldiers on both sides.
** A much earlier example is arguably Yzak's destruction of a shuttle full of civilians during a battle with Kira. Even if Yzak's assumption that the shuttle contained fleeing soldiers was correct, shooting an unarmed shuttle is still a pretty heinous act.
*** Yzak gets to see this from the other side later in the series. He was at the Battle of Panama mentioned above.
*** It's also worth mentioning that Yzak was [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified]] when he found out. He was actually disappointed when the ZAFT government refused to put him on trial for war crimes.
* [[SociopathicHero Mikazuki Augus]] from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans'' has a habit of executing enemy prisoners of war, justified that he's a [[PrivateMilitaryContractors Private Military Contractor]] rather than a soldier, and most of the people he killed are either AssholeVictim, or those [[ItsPersonal he has a grudge against]].
* The entire ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' flashback to the Ishval Genocide Campaign is basically one long hideous war crime.
** Especially poignant was the death of [[TheChick Winry's]] parents, who had gone to the battlefields of Ishval for [[UsefulNotes/TheRedCross Red Cross]]-type volunteer duties, and were killed while at it. In both the manga and the ''Brotherhood'' series, this was done by [[spoiler:[[AntiVillain Scar]] during a FreakOut -- and had he not done it they would've been killed by Kimbley who then would've [[MakeitLookLikeAnAccident made it look like an accident]] on orders of their superiors, so the military wouldn't spend time and money protecting them]]; in the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003-anime]] where they were killed by [[spoiler:a '''very''' reluctant Roy Mustang on orders from his superiors, because they ''healed Ishvalian civilans''. (And Roy is almost DrivenToSuicide out of guilt.)]]
** It's worth noting that Armstrong outright refuses to kill civilians. Kimblee kills them instead but keeps Armstrong from getting in trouble, respecting the strength of his convictions.
* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', the flashback to Lelouch, Suzaku and the blind Nunnally fleeing through Japan's countryside as pre-teenagers involves them stumbling onto the scene of genocide in a village. This event scars Lelouch and Suzaku, leading the former to hate Britannia with a vengeance and the latter to be [[spoiler:horrified at what had happened, compounded with killing his father, leading him to blame himself for it all. Ironically, Lelouch and Suzaku would both precipitate a repeat of this, with Suzaku joining the Knights Of Round and conquering countries, and Lelouch accidentally causing a country-wide riot, and eventually leading his own massacre, AND ruling the world with a bloody iron fist. (The latter is part of a ThanatosGambit.)]]
** There's also Tamaki, who's usually just the PluckyComicRelief of the Black Knights, ordering some of the Ashford Academy students executed after he finds them sneaking around, trying to save Suzaku, who is trapped in the disabled Lancelot. No one actually gets a chance to carry out those orders, though, and the event's never mentioned again.
*** Worse yet, those civilians were Lelouch's friends... Lelouch, who was Tamaki's superior. Though this is a very unusual situation, as Tamaki has no idea.

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* ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'':
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In an early scene in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'', the guerrilla fighters in Gibraltar whom ''Minerva'' assisted previously are shown executing the Earth Alliance officers they've taken prisoner. This can be interpreted as an early indication that the protagonist may not be fighting on the righteous side, after all...
* ** ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'':
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A similar scene occurs in the Battle Of Panama in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED''.of Panama. After taking Panama base and destroying its mass driver, several ZAFT mobile suit pilots start shooting the surrendering Federation troopers. This was said to have been in response to the Battle of JOSH-A, where the Atlantic Federation brass activated a microwave device hidden underneath the base, wiping out most of the ZAFT forces as they broke through, as well as the remaining Federation defenders (Who were [[TheUriahGambit mostly from the Eurasian Federation, solidifying the Atlantic Federation's dominance of the Earth Alliance]]). It was a sign that the war was [[ItsPersonal turning personal]] (or [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar worse]]) for soldiers on both sides.
** *** A much earlier example is arguably Yzak's destruction of a shuttle full of civilians during a battle with Kira. Even if Yzak's assumption that the shuttle contained fleeing soldiers was correct, shooting an unarmed shuttle is still a pretty heinous act.
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act. Yzak gets to see this from the other side later in the series. He was at the Battle of Panama mentioned above.
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above. It's also worth mentioning that Yzak was [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified]] when he found out. He was actually disappointed when the ZAFT government refused to put him on trial for war crimes.
* ** [[SociopathicHero Mikazuki Augus]] from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans'' has a habit of executing enemy prisoners of war, justified that he's a [[PrivateMilitaryContractors Private Military Contractor]] rather than a soldier, and most of the people he killed are either AssholeVictim, or those [[ItsPersonal he has a grudge against]].
* The entire ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' flashback to the Ishval Genocide Campaign is basically one long hideous war crime.
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crime. Especially poignant was the death of [[TheChick Winry's]] parents, who had gone to the battlefields of Ishval for [[UsefulNotes/TheRedCross Red Cross]]-type volunteer duties, and were killed while at it. In both the manga and the ''Brotherhood'' series, this was done by [[spoiler:[[AntiVillain Scar]] during a FreakOut -- and had he not done it they would've been killed by Kimbley who then would've [[MakeitLookLikeAnAccident made it look like an accident]] on orders of their superiors, so the military wouldn't spend time and money protecting them]]; in the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003-anime]] where they were killed by [[spoiler:a '''very''' reluctant Roy Mustang on orders from his superiors, because they ''healed Ishvalian civilans''. (And Roy is almost DrivenToSuicide out of guilt.)]]
**
)]] It's worth noting that Armstrong outright refuses to kill civilians. Kimblee kills them instead but keeps Armstrong from getting in trouble, respecting the strength of his convictions.
* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', the ''Anime/CodeGeass'':
** The
flashback to Lelouch, Suzaku and the blind Nunnally fleeing through Japan's countryside as pre-teenagers involves them stumbling onto the scene of genocide in a village. This event scars Lelouch and Suzaku, leading the former to hate Britannia with a vengeance and the latter to be [[spoiler:horrified at what had happened, compounded with killing his father, leading him to blame himself for it all. Ironically, Lelouch and Suzaku would both precipitate a repeat of this, with Suzaku joining the Knights Of Round and conquering countries, and Lelouch accidentally causing a country-wide riot, and eventually leading his own massacre, AND ruling the world with a bloody iron fist. (The latter is part of a ThanatosGambit.)]]
** There's also Tamaki, who's usually just the PluckyComicRelief of the Black Knights, ordering some of the Ashford Academy students executed after he finds them sneaking around, trying to save Suzaku, who is trapped in the disabled Lancelot. No one actually gets a chance to carry out those orders, though, and the event's never mentioned again.
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again. Worse yet, those civilians were Lelouch's friends... Lelouch, who was Tamaki's superior. Though this is a very unusual situation, as Tamaki has no idea.



* In the ''Manga/{{Area 88}}'' manga and OVA, Nguyen kills an enemy pilot who has ejected from his jet.

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* ''Manga/Area88'':
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In the ''Manga/{{Area 88}}'' the manga and OVA, Nguyen kills an enemy pilot who has ejected from his jet.



* ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}''

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* ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}''''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'':



* One happens off-panel in the Nicaragua arc of ''Comicbook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', led by ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' villain Barracuda during his military days. Fury is investigating Barracuda's activities, and finds the remains of a village destroyed by his Contra forces, with horribly mangled bodies everywhere, including [[spoiler:a corpse of a pregnant woman who had her stomach cut open and her baby stomped on]].

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* Franchise/MarvelUniverse:
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One happens off-panel in the Nicaragua arc of ''Comicbook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', led by ''ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX'' villain Barracuda during his military days. Fury is investigating Barracuda's activities, and finds the remains of a village destroyed by his Contra forces, with horribly mangled bodies everywhere, including [[spoiler:a corpse of a pregnant woman who had her stomach cut open and her baby stomped on]].



** All of the above examples pale in comparison to what General Zakharov got up to in Afghanistan. In the ''Man Of Stone'' arc, a British journalist calmly describes to Frank the sort of "tactics" that Zakharov would routinely employ against the Afghan fighters. [[spoiler:The most infamous of these was the way he decided to goad the local Afghan rebels out of hiding. He did this by gathering up the entire population of a local Afghan village and had them forcibly thrown off a cliff one by one, much to the horror of the Afghan fighters. But the crowning moment would have to be when an Afghan woman begs Zakharov that he spare her infant son. How does Zakharov respond to this woman's plea? By taking the infant into his hands, and '''''chucking the baby off a cliff''''']]. The scariest part is that we later learn that he did this to another ''six villages''.

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** All of the above examples pale in comparison to what General Zakharov got up to in Afghanistan. In the ''Man Of of Stone'' arc, a British journalist calmly describes to Frank the sort of "tactics" that Zakharov would routinely employ against the Afghan fighters. [[spoiler:The most infamous of these was the way he decided to goad the local Afghan rebels out of hiding. He did this by gathering up the entire population of a local Afghan village and had them forcibly thrown off a cliff one by one, much to the horror of the Afghan fighters. But the crowning moment would have to be when an Afghan woman begs Zakharov that he spare her infant son. How does Zakharov respond to this woman's plea? By taking the infant into his hands, and '''''chucking the baby off a cliff''''']]. The scariest part is that we later learn that he did this to another ''six villages''.



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* In ''Film/WaltzWithBashir'', the entire plot revolves around the protagonist's attempt to unlock his own memories of the Sabra and Shatila massacres, [[spoiler: and he succeeds at the very end of the film in which we are shown real footage from the event]].
** Furthermore, most of the movie's war scenes are this, with Israeli soldiers repeatedly shown opening fire indiscriminately on everything that moves (at one point panicking and killing an entire family in a car), the Lebanese Phalangists mutilating enemy corpses at their "slaughterhouse", and quite a few other more minor violations of international laws.

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* In ''Film/WaltzWithBashir'', ''Animation/WaltzWithBashir'', the entire plot revolves around the protagonist's attempt to unlock his own memories of the Sabra and Shatila massacres, [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and he succeeds at the very end of the film in which we are shown real footage from the event]].
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event]]. Furthermore, most of the movie's war scenes are this, with Israeli soldiers repeatedly shown opening fire indiscriminately on everything that moves (at one point panicking and killing an entire family in a car), the Lebanese Phalangists mutilating enemy corpses at their "slaughterhouse", and quite a few other more minor violations of international laws. laws.



-->'''Soldier #1''': What'd he say!?
-->'''Soldier #2''': ''*raises hands in imitation of the surrendering troops*'' "Look! I washed for supper!" Hehehehaha!

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-->'''Soldier #1''': --->'''Soldier #1:''' What'd he say!?
-->'''Soldier #2''': ''*raises
say!?\\
'''Soldier #2:''' ''[raises
hands in imitation of the surrendering troops*'' troops]'' "Look! I washed for supper!" Hehehehaha!



* In ''Film/{{Stalingrad 1993}}'', many of these scenes are depicted:

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* In ''Film/{{Stalingrad 1993}}'', ''Film/Stalingrad1993'', many of these scenes are depicted:



---> '''Gunner:''' Anyone who runs is a VC. Anyone who stands still is a ''well-disciplined'' VC! You guys oughta do a story about me sometime!\\

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---> '''Gunner:''' --->'''Gunner:''' Anyone who runs is a VC. Anyone who stands still is a ''well-disciplined'' VC! You guys oughta do a story about me sometime!\\



'''Gunner:''' Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! ''(laughs)'' Ain't war hell?

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'''Gunner:''' Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! ''(laughs)'' ''[laughs]'' Ain't war hell?



* Two cases in ''Film/{{Fury 2014}}'', both committed by the main characters.

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* Two cases in ''Film/{{Fury 2014}}'', ''Film/Fury2014'', both committed by the main characters.



* It comes up in Literature/{{Discworld}} novels from time to time. Fred Colon mentions beating prisoners of war mostly because you just saw an arrow go through your friend's face and you're looking for the first son of a bitch in the wrong uniform to make an example of. In ''Discworld/MonstrousRegiment'', Sergeant Jackrum intentionally arranges things so that he can murder a POW (by having the shakiest and least-useful fighters guard the prisoner to give him the hope of making a break for it), although in this case it's because he knows they don't have the luxury of keeping him as a prisoner in spite of the commanding officer's orders to do so.

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* It comes up in Literature/{{Discworld}} ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels from time to time. time.
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Fred Colon mentions beating prisoners of war mostly because you just saw an arrow go through your friend's face and you're looking for the first son of a bitch in the wrong uniform to make an example of. of.
**
In ''Discworld/MonstrousRegiment'', Sergeant Jackrum intentionally arranges things so that he can murder a POW (by having the shakiest and least-useful fighters guard the prisoner to give him the hope of making a break for it), although in this case it's because he knows they don't have the luxury of keeping him as a prisoner in spite of the commanding officer's orders to do so.



** In ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', Harry himself uses the Unforgivable torture-inflicting Cruciatus Curse to ambush a Death Eater-and reminds us that for the curse to work, you have to ''genuinely want'' the target to suffer.

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** In ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', Harry himself uses the Unforgivable torture-inflicting Cruciatus Curse to ambush a Death Eater-and Eater -- and reminds us that for the curse to work, you have to ''genuinely want'' the target to suffer.



* In ''Literature/AHarvestOfWar'' the queen test-fires her lover's gift - an arquebus - on an initially live prisoner.

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* In ''Literature/AHarvestOfWar'' the ''Literature/AHarvestOfWar'':
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queen test-fires her lover's gift - -- an arquebus - -- on an initially live prisoner.



* In the final book of the ''Literature/{{Timeline 191}}'' series, SociopathicSoldier Boris Lavochkin orders several massacres of civilians, including the murder of an entire village. So as well as an expy of UsefulNotes/NaziGermany in form of the CSA, Turtledove also provides an expy of war crimes committed by the Red Army.

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* In the final book of the ''Literature/{{Timeline 191}}'' ''Literature/Timeline191'' series, SociopathicSoldier Boris Lavochkin orders several massacres of civilians, including the murder of an entire village. So as well as an expy of UsefulNotes/NaziGermany in form of the CSA, Turtledove also provides an expy of war crimes committed by the Red Army.



* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': The Capitol air force blowing up the hospital in Eight. It turns into a strategic blunder, however, since [[spoiler: not only does the Capitol lose several precious bombers in the process, but the attack is televised and subsequently milked for all its worth, PR-wise, by District 13 media.]]
** Then used plenty on the rebel side in the FinalBattle for the capitol, starting when Katniss kills a random civilian woman who stumbles on her squad as they infiltrate the Capitol-held territory then TurnedUpToEleven in the final sequence with the rebels (including Gale and Katniss) firing indiscriminately into crowds of civilians, Gale murdering a wounded peacekeeper to take his rifle and finally [[spoiler: District 13 aircraft firebombing a courtyard packed with children, using bombs that detonate a second time to eliminate the rescue personnel.]]

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* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': ''Literature/TheHungerGames'':
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The Capitol air force blowing up the hospital in Eight. It turns into a strategic blunder, however, since [[spoiler: not [[spoiler:not only does the Capitol lose several precious bombers in the process, but the attack is televised and subsequently milked for all its worth, PR-wise, by District 13 media.]]
** Then used plenty on the rebel side in the FinalBattle for the capitol, starting when Katniss kills a random civilian woman who stumbles on her squad as they infiltrate the Capitol-held territory then TurnedUpToEleven in the final sequence with the rebels (including Gale and Katniss) firing indiscriminately into crowds of civilians, Gale murdering a wounded peacekeeper to take his rifle and finally [[spoiler: District [[spoiler:District 13 aircraft firebombing a courtyard packed with children, using bombs that detonate a second time to eliminate the rescue personnel.]]



** Ronald Speirs' execution of German [=POWs=]. Historically, Speirs had a reputation for killing German [=POWs=], but it was never confirmed if he indeed had. Stories were passed through the company and battalion, but rumors were, according to the soldiers interviews, probably embellished, and Speirs was known to believe that having his own troops fear him wasn't necessarily a bad thing. The truth of what he did or did not do died with him.\\
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He is shown to politely offer the Germans smokes and then the camera moves to another soldier who watches in horror as bursts from an SMG are heard. Speirs later gets amusement out it by offering some [=GIs=] a cigarette in another episode, just before he's given command of E Company. Speirs' deadpan expression while the scared-shitless men take the offered cigarettes is a CrowningMomentOfFunny.\\
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** Ronald Speirs' execution of German [=POWs=]. Historically, Speirs had a reputation for killing German [=POWs=], but it was never confirmed if he indeed had. Stories were passed through the company and battalion, but rumors were, according to the soldiers interviews, probably embellished, and Speirs was known to believe that having his own troops fear him wasn't necessarily a bad thing. The truth of what he did or did not do died with him.\\
\\
\\\
He is shown to politely offer the Germans smokes and then the camera moves to another soldier who watches in horror as bursts from an SMG are heard. Speirs later gets amusement out it by offering some [=GIs=] a cigarette in another episode, just before he's given command of E Company. Speirs' deadpan expression while the scared-shitless men take the offered cigarettes is a CrowningMomentOfFunny.\\
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--->'''Speirs:''' You want to ask me, don't you?
--->'''Lipton:''' Ask you what, sir?
--->'''Speirs:''' You want to know if they're true or not... the stories about me. Did you ever notice with stories like that, everyone says they heard it from someone who was there. But then when you ask ''that'' person, they say ''they'' heard it from someone who was there. It's nothing new, really. I bet if you went back two thousand years, you'd hear a couple of centurions standing around, yakking about how Tertius lopped off the heads of some Carthaginian prisoners.
--->'''Lipton:''' Well, maybe they kept talking about it because they never heard Tertius deny it.
--->'''Speirs:''' Well, maybe that's because Tertius knew there was some value to the men thinking he was the meanest, toughest son of a bitch in the whole Roman Legion.

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--->'''Speirs:''' You want to ask me, don't you?
--->'''Lipton:'''
you?\\
'''Lipton:'''
Ask you what, sir?
--->'''Speirs:'''
sir?\\
'''Speirs:'''
You want to know if they're true or not... the stories about me. Did you ever notice with stories like that, everyone says they heard it from someone who was there. But then when you ask ''that'' person, they say ''they'' heard it from someone who was there. It's nothing new, really. I bet if you went back two thousand years, you'd hear a couple of centurions standing around, yakking about how Tertius lopped off the heads of some Carthaginian prisoners.
--->'''Lipton:'''
prisoners.\\
'''Lipton:'''
Well, maybe they kept talking about it because they never heard Tertius deny it.
--->'''Speirs:'''
it.\\
'''Speirs:'''
Well, maybe that's because Tertius knew there was some value to the men thinking he was the meanest, toughest son of a bitch in the whole Roman Legion.



** In another scene, after a last-ditch suicide charge by the Japanese, Sledge shoots a soldier who was unarmed and wounded. Later in the same episode, he decides not to shoot another unarmed Japanese soldier - but then a few rookie Marines gun him down instead and blow off Sledge when he disapproves.

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** In another scene, after a last-ditch suicide charge by the Japanese, Sledge shoots a soldier who was unarmed and wounded. Later in the same episode, he decides not to shoot another unarmed Japanese soldier - -- but then a few rookie Marines gun him down instead and blow off Sledge when he disapproves.



* In ''Series/FallingSkies'', when the aliens order a mech to mow down a group of kids, as an example of what happens when the humans attempt to free one.

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* In ''Series/FallingSkies'', when ''Series/FallingSkies'':
** When
the aliens order a mech to mow down a group of kids, as an example of what happens when the humans attempt to free one.



* On ''Series/{{Alphas}}'' an attempt by government agents to arrest the leaders of Red Flag (an Alpha terrorist organization) gathered for a meeting quickly descends into chaos as some of the Alphas resist and the government agents open fire. They kill everyone they see, even those trying to surrender or hide. They shoot Bill (in his vest), failing to distinguish him from their targets after a demonstration of SuperStrength. One agent nearly kills ''Gary'' when he has a tantrum over finding [[spoiler:Anna]]'s body - given that he weighs ninety pounds soaking wet and can barely lift the baton he was whaling on the agent with, it comes off very much like a Nazi about to [[KickTheDog stomp on a yapping chihuahua]]. The scene demonstrated how unprepared and heavy-handed the government is when dealing with Alphas and that the situation has reached the level of a war.

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* On ''Series/{{Alphas}}'' an attempt by government agents to arrest the leaders of Red Flag (an Alpha terrorist organization) gathered for a meeting quickly descends into chaos as some of the Alphas resist and the government agents open fire. They kill everyone they see, even those trying to surrender or hide. They shoot Bill (in his vest), failing to distinguish him from their targets after a demonstration of SuperStrength. One agent nearly kills ''Gary'' when he has a tantrum over finding [[spoiler:Anna]]'s body - -- given that he weighs ninety pounds soaking wet and can barely lift the baton he was whaling on the agent with, it comes off very much like a Nazi about to [[KickTheDog stomp on a yapping chihuahua]]. The scene demonstrated how unprepared and heavy-handed the government is when dealing with Alphas and that the situation has reached the level of a war.



* ''Series/{{The 100}}'' sees our heroes torturing a captive prisoner for information, firing on the enemy during a peace conference, and, on one occasion, just snapping from the stress and gunning down a bunch of innocent villagers. Most of them are ChildSoldiers with no formal training, thrust into a war and a world they don't understand, so they don't always handle things as well as they should. Meanwhile, their enemies are even worse in most cases.

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* ''Series/{{The 100}}'' ''Series/The100'' sees our heroes torturing a captive prisoner for information, firing on the enemy during a peace conference, and, on one occasion, just snapping from the stress and gunning down a bunch of innocent villagers. Most of them are ChildSoldiers with no formal training, thrust into a war and a world they don't understand, so they don't always handle things as well as they should. Meanwhile, their enemies are even worse in most cases.



* Fictitious war, but ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'''s Operation Anchorage features an American soldier executing 4 Chinese prisoners. Killing the American before the shooting causes your allies to turn against you, and try to kill you and the prisoners. Turns into RefugeInAudacity when injured American soldiers come out of the hospital, in underwear, in an Alaskan winter, and attack you with grenades. However, [[NotSoDifferent to balance things out]], when you storm General Jingwei's camp, you see him executing American prisoners with his lightning sword.
** Also, in the opening of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'', an old T.V. shows a news reel of America's annexation of Canada, with footage of an American soldier executing Canadian prisoners of war, then ''waving at the camera.'' The caption reads [[BlackComedy "Our dedicated boys keep the peace in newly annexed Canada."]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'':
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Fictitious war, but ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'''s ''VideoGame/Fallout3'''s Operation Anchorage features an American soldier executing 4 Chinese prisoners. Killing the American before the shooting causes your allies to turn against you, and try to kill you and the prisoners. Turns into RefugeInAudacity when injured American soldiers come out of the hospital, in underwear, in an Alaskan winter, and attack you with grenades. However, [[NotSoDifferent to balance things out]], when you storm General Jingwei's camp, you see him executing American prisoners with his lightning sword.
** Also, in In the opening of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'', ''VideoGame/Fallout1'', an old T.V. shows a news reel of America's annexation of Canada, with footage of an American soldier executing Canadian prisoners of war, then ''waving at the camera.'' The caption reads [[BlackComedy "Our dedicated boys keep the peace in newly annexed Canada."]]



* In one Terran mission of ''VideoGame/{{Starcraft|I}}: Brood War'', a civilian technician runs into a squad of UED marines who kill one of his colleagues to convince him to cooperate. When he does, they thank him... [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness then shoot him anyway]]. One of them even quips "Err... oops. Heh heh heh..."
* In the first mission ''VideoGame/StarCraftII:'' ''[[VideoGame/StarCraftIIWingsOfLiberty Wings of Liberty]]'', the Terran Dominion are rounding up civilians for labor in a mining site, one of them tries to run, and a marine shoots him.
* In ''Franchise/MassEffect'', if you pick the "Ruthless" reputation, you sent many of your men to certain death in order to defeat a criminal batarian base - and then massacred the surrendering batarians. Said batarians were inferred to be [[AssholeVictim slavers and pirates]] though.
* Games with moral choice systems frequently give you the option of doing this yourself.

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* ''VideoGame/StarCraft'':
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In one Terran mission of ''VideoGame/{{Starcraft|I}}: Brood War'', a civilian technician runs into a squad of UED marines who kill one of his colleagues to convince him to cooperate. When he does, they thank him... [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness then shoot him anyway]]. One of them even quips "Err... oops. Heh heh heh..."
* ** In the first mission ''VideoGame/StarCraftII:'' ''[[VideoGame/StarCraftIIWingsOfLiberty Wings of Liberty]]'', the Terran Dominion are rounding up civilians for labor in a mining site, one of them tries to run, and a marine shoots him.
* In ''Franchise/MassEffect'', if you pick the "Ruthless" reputation, you sent many of your men to certain death in order to defeat a criminal batarian base - -- and then massacred the surrendering batarians. Said batarians were inferred to be [[AssholeVictim slavers and pirates]] though.
* Games with moral choice systems frequently give you the option of doing this yourself.
though.



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* Creator/MikeDuncan does not particularly revel in telling the grim details in his ''Podcast/TheHistoryOfRome'' Podcast nor in his ''Podcast/{{Revolutions}}'' Podcast, but he does recount most of them and certainly all of the ones he considers relevant. One of the reasons why he was stumped when asked about a good book about the History of Rome for kids, because -- in his words -- there is really no way to make "And then Augustus rounded up all his political opponents and had them beheaded" child-friendly.
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* Creator/MikeDuncan does not particularly revel in telling the grim details in his Podcast/TheHistoryOfRome Podcast nor in his Podcast/{{Revolutions}} Podcast, but he does recount most of them and certainly all of the ones he considers relevant. One of the reasons why he was stumped when asked about a good book about the History of Rome for kids, because - in his words - there is really no way to make "And then Augustus rounded up all his political opponents and had them beheaded" child friendly
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20th Jul '17 6:47:25 PM Rmpdc
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20th Jul '17 6:42:56 PM Rmpdc
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** ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty:'' ''World at War'' goes even further. The Pacific campaign starts with your character being tortured by his Japanese captors, and features ambushes from units playing dead, booby traps, and kamikaze attacks. In response, the Americans employ flamethrowers to great effect. The Eastern front has the repeated execution of wounded soldiers, the razing of crops and homes, and the massacre of surrendering soldiers... and that's as the Russians.

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** ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty:'' ''World at War'' ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyWorldAtWar'' goes even further. The Pacific campaign starts with your character being tortured by his Japanese captors, and features ambushes from units playing dead, booby traps, and kamikaze attacks. In response, the Americans employ flamethrowers to great effect. The Eastern front has the repeated execution of wounded soldiers, the razing of crops and homes, and the massacre of surrendering soldiers... and that's as the Russians.
20th Jul '17 6:41:50 PM Rmpdc
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[[caption-width-right:350:And this is just the tip of the iceberg.]]
11th Jul '17 5:50:47 PM BURGINABC
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A form of KickTheDog in war movies, where the heroes (or more often, the side that the heroes fight for) commit a war crime of some sort, most often mistreatment of [[WouldNotShootACivilian enemy prisoners of war or civilians]]. Done to illustrate that most [[WarIsHell wars]] aren't instances of BlackAndWhiteMorality, as well as the mix of good and bad in most armies and how wartime can change a person's personality. Sometimes, these crimes will be reprisals for earlier ones against the heroes' side. May sometimes overlap with TokenEvilTeammate. In a heroic portrayal, these crimes are justified for the principles of PayEvilUntoEvil, or a RoaringRampageOfRevenge.

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A form of KickTheDog in war movies, where the heroes (or more often, someone else on the same side that as the heroes fight for) heroes) commit a war crime of some sort, most often mistreatment of [[WouldNotShootACivilian enemy prisoners of war or civilians]]. Done to illustrate that most [[WarIsHell wars]] aren't instances of BlackAndWhiteMorality, as well as the mix of good and bad in most armies and how wartime can change a person's personality. Sometimes, these crimes will be reprisals for earlier ones against the heroes' side. May sometimes overlap with TokenEvilTeammate. In a heroic portrayal, these crimes are justified for the principles of PayEvilUntoEvil, or a RoaringRampageOfRevenge.
7th Jun '17 7:52:11 PM JulianLapostat
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* ''Film/TheSteelHelmet'' by Creator/SamuelFuller featured this trope ''in TheFifties''. Near the end [[spoiler:Zack shoots "red" the communist]]. This is a violation of the Geneva Convention and is treated as a major OhCrap moment within the film by his squadmates and Zack gets so upset that he yells to Red:
--> '''Zack''': ''"If you die, I'll kill you!"''
** This scene was so controversial that Fuller was invited to the Pentagon to explain himself. Fuller insisted that this scene was meant to be a realistic depiction of what soldiers do in wartime and that Zack was hardly an inspiring soldier, and that it was by no means an endorsement. Fuller, a former US Infantryman, also pointed out that this happened all the time during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and his own commanding officer testified in his defense. The Pentagon were not amused but they let it slide.

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* ''Film/TheSteelHelmet'' by Creator/SamuelFuller featured this trope ''in TheFifties''. Near the end [[spoiler:Zack shoots "red" the communist]]. This is a violation of the Geneva Convention and is treated as a major OhCrap moment within the film by his squadmates and Zack gets so upset that he yells to Red:
--> '''Zack''': ''"If you die, I'll kill you!"''
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This scene was so controversial that Fuller was invited to the Pentagon to explain himself. Fuller insisted that this scene was meant to be a realistic depiction of what soldiers do in wartime and that Zack was hardly an inspiring soldier, and that it was by no means an endorsement. Fuller, a former US Infantryman, also pointed out that this happened all the time during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and his own commanding officer testified in his defense. The Pentagon were not amused but they let it slide.
7th Jun '17 7:48:17 PM JulianLapostat
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* ''Film/TheSteelHelmet'' by Creator/SamuelFuller featured this trope ''in TheFifties''. Near the end [[spoiler:Zack shoots "red" the communist]]. This is a violation of the Geneva Convention and is treated as a major OhCrap moment within the film by his squadmates and Zack gets so upset that he yells to Red:
--> '''Zack''': ''"If you die, I'll kill you!"''
** This scene was so controversial that Fuller was invited to the Pentagon to explain himself. Fuller insisted that this scene was meant to be a realistic depiction of what soldiers do in wartime and that Zack was hardly an inspiring soldier, and that it was by no means an endorsement. Fuller, a former US Infantryman, also pointed out that this happened all the time during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and his own commanding officer testified in his defense. The Pentagon were not amused but they let it slide.
27th May '17 12:14:14 PM nombretomado
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A fairly young trope that emerged from the previously-hidden TruthInTelevision of TheVietnamWar. Often used to show that WarIsHell and/or to [[AvertedTrope avert]] TruffautWasRight. Compare SinkTheLifeboats, LeaveNoSurvivors. Contrast TheWomenAreSafeWithUs, WouldNotShootACivilian.

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A fairly young trope that emerged from the previously-hidden TruthInTelevision of TheVietnamWar.UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar. Often used to show that WarIsHell and/or to [[AvertedTrope avert]] TruffautWasRight. Compare SinkTheLifeboats, LeaveNoSurvivors. Contrast TheWomenAreSafeWithUs, WouldNotShootACivilian.
21st May '17 11:05:12 PM Lanes17B
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** The Ultranationalist forces in ''Modern Warfare 3'' have laid waste to New York City, including having killed hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians. More were also killed in the opening gas attack across numerous European cities, which are being blasted into rubble by the Ultranationalist war machine, and in the Prague level, a number of people, [[LaResistance resistance members]] or otherwise, are seen hung from makeshift gallows.
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