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19th Feb '17 5:09:44 AM Ominae
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* Namco [[FourIsDeath really, really didn't want to make a fourth game]] in the ''VideoGame/AceCombat'' series. When they had to, it was only under condition that its number was padded to ''VideoGame/{{Ace Combat 04|ShatteredSkies}}''. After ''VideoGame/AceCombat6FiresOfLiberation'' they StoppedNumberingSequels for a while, but that's in part because they seemed reluctant to continue the original storyline past ''6'' - between that in 2007 and the announcement of ''VideoGame/AceCombat7'' eight years later, none of the games were set in the same continuity.

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* Namco [[FourIsDeath really, really didn't want to make a fourth game]] in the ''VideoGame/AceCombat'' series. When they had to, it was only under condition that its number was padded to ''VideoGame/{{Ace Combat 04|ShatteredSkies}}''. After ''VideoGame/AceCombat6FiresOfLiberation'' they StoppedNumberingSequels for a while, but that's in part because they seemed reluctant to continue the original storyline past ''6'' - between that in 2007 and the announcement of ''VideoGame/AceCombat7'' ''VideoGame/AceCombat7SkiesUnknown'' eight years later, none of the games were set in the same continuity.
7th Feb '17 9:37:06 AM erforce
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* The UrExample is probably Creator/SergeiEisenstein's ''Film/IvanTheTerrible'', which was released in two parts in 1944 and 1958. Coppola himself cited Eisenstein when arguing for ''Godfather Part II''; the studio dismissed this argument on the grounds that ''Ivan'' was a Russian film, and no one had seen it.
* The ''Film/{{Rocky}}'' series followed this trope until the sixth installment which was called ''Film/RockyBalboa'' (as if the other movies were about some other guy named "Rocky"). Word of God says that the movie was not called "Rocky VI" to avoid any possibility of another Rocky installment.

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* The UrExample is probably Creator/SergeiEisenstein's ''Film/IvanTheTerrible'', which was released in two parts in 1944 and 1958. Coppola himself cited Eisenstein when arguing for ''Godfather Part II''; ''Film/TheGodfatherPartII''; the studio dismissed this argument on the grounds that ''Ivan'' was a Russian film, and no one had seen it.
* The ''Film/{{Rocky}}'' ''Franchise/{{Rocky}}'' series followed this trope until the sixth installment which was called ''Film/RockyBalboa'' (as if the other movies were about some other guy named "Rocky"). Word of God says that the movie was not called "Rocky VI" to avoid any possibility of another Rocky ''Rocky'' installment.



* For its European release, Italian director Creator/LucioFulci heavily re-cut George Romero's ''Film/DawnOfTheDead1978'' to produce what was essentially a completely different movie, which he titled ''Zombi''. After its success, Fulci went on to produce five sequels, which were titled ''Film/{{Zombi 2}}'', ''Zombi 3'', and so forth. ''Zombi 2'' was simply retitled ''Zombie'' for its North American release, but the later sequels shared their numbering on both sides of the pond - meaning that while you can find ''Zombie'', ''Zombie 3'', and ''Zombie 4'' at your local video rental outlet, there is no movie available in North America titled ''Zombie 2''.

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* For its European release, Italian director Creator/LucioFulci heavily re-cut George Romero's ''Film/DawnOfTheDead1978'' to produce what was essentially a completely different movie, which he titled ''Zombi''. After its success, Fulci went on to produce five sequels, which were titled ''Film/{{Zombi 2}}'', ''Zombi 3'', ''Film/{{Zombi 3|D}}'', and so forth. ''Zombi 2'' was simply retitled ''Zombie'' for its North American release, but the later sequels shared their numbering on both sides of the pond - meaning that while you can find ''Zombie'', ''Zombie 3'', and ''Zombie 4'' at your local video rental outlet, there is no movie available in North America titled ''Zombie 2''.
30th Jan '17 10:04:42 AM Superfield
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* Trying to arrange the ''VideoGame/'' in KingdomHeartschronological order can get confusing. Birth By Sleep is the first Kingdom Hearts game by canon, despite coming out 8 years after ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI'', which was the first released title. ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the only game with a straightforward numbered subtitle, was neither the second game released nor the second chronologically (''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'' being both). The most recent game, ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', while the direct sequel to ''II'', is ''not'' the long-awaited ''Kingdom Hearts III''. According to Nomura, ''III'' is to be release next after the HD remasters, and it will be the ''eighth'' game in the series (ignoring updated rereleases).
** To make things even more fun, Nomura has stated that KingdomHeartsX is 0, as it is chronologically first, Birth by Sleep is 0.1 since it comes after that, and Dream Drop Distance is ''2.6'' because it happens after all of the games contained in ''Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX''.

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* Trying to arrange the ''VideoGame/'' ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' games in KingdomHeartschronological chronological order can get confusing. Birth By by Sleep is the first Kingdom Hearts game by canon, despite coming out 8 years after ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI'', which was the first released title. ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the only game with a straightforward numbered subtitle, was neither the second game released nor the second chronologically (''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'' being both). The most recent game, ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', while the direct sequel to ''II'', is ''not'' the long-awaited ''Kingdom Hearts III''. According to Nomura, ''III'' is to be release next after the HD remasters, and it will be the ''eighth'' game in the series (ignoring updated rereleases).
** To make things even more fun, Nomura has stated that KingdomHeartsX is 0, as it is chronologically first, Birth by Sleep is 0.1 since it comes after that, and Dream Drop Distance is ''2.6'' because it happens after all of the games contained in ''Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX''.[=ReMIX=]''.
30th Jan '17 10:03:40 AM Superfield
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* Trying to arrange the ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' in chronological order can get confusing. Birth By Sleep is the first Kingdom Hearts game by canon, despite coming out 8 years after ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI'', which was the first released title. ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the only game with a straightforward numbered subtitle, was neither the second game released nor the second chronologically (''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'' being both). The most recent game, ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', while the direct sequel to ''II'', is ''not'' the long-awaited ''Kingdom Hearts III''. According to Nomura, ''III'' is to be release next after the HD remasters, and it will be the ''eighth'' game in the series (ignoring updated rereleases).

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* Trying to arrange the ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' ''VideoGame/'' in chronological KingdomHeartschronological order can get confusing. Birth By Sleep is the first Kingdom Hearts game by canon, despite coming out 8 years after ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI'', which was the first released title. ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the only game with a straightforward numbered subtitle, was neither the second game released nor the second chronologically (''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'' being both). The most recent game, ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', while the direct sequel to ''II'', is ''not'' the long-awaited ''Kingdom Hearts III''. According to Nomura, ''III'' is to be release next after the HD remasters, and it will be the ''eighth'' game in the series (ignoring updated rereleases).rereleases).
** To make things even more fun, Nomura has stated that KingdomHeartsX is 0, as it is chronologically first, Birth by Sleep is 0.1 since it comes after that, and Dream Drop Distance is ''2.6'' because it happens after all of the games contained in ''Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX''.
9th Jan '17 2:03:22 PM Morgenthaler
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* Played straight with the ''Film/IronMan'' sequels. Averted in the sequels for ''Film/{{Thor}}'' (''The Dark World'' and ''Ragnarok'') and ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' (''The Winter Soldier'' and ''Civil War''). The first sequel to ''Film/TheAvengers2012'' also went the subtitle route with ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' (emitting the "The"), and ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', the two films of which are using Part 1 and Part 2.

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* ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'':
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Played straight with the ''Film/IronMan'' sequels. sequels.
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Averted in the sequels for ''Film/{{Thor}}'' (''The Dark World'' and ''Ragnarok'') and ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' (''The Winter Soldier'' and ''Civil War''). The first sequel to ''Film/TheAvengers2012'' also went the subtitle route with ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' (emitting the "The"), and ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', the two films of which are using Part 1 and Part 2.
9th Jan '17 2:01:53 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''ComicBook/OneHundredBullets'' has an interesting twist on this- every story arc/trade paperback has a title that either incorporates its number into it (eg- book 4 is ''A Foregone Tomorrow'', book 9 is ''Strychnine Lives'') or uses part of a known phrase that includes the number, but leaving the actual number out (eg- book 7 is ''[[Film/SevenSamurai Samurai]]'' and book 12 is ''[[TheDirtyDozen Dirty]]'')

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* ''ComicBook/OneHundredBullets'' has an interesting twist on this- every story arc/trade paperback has a title that either incorporates its number into it (eg- book 4 is ''A Foregone Tomorrow'', book 9 is ''Strychnine Lives'') or uses part of a known phrase that includes the number, but leaving the actual number out (eg- book 7 is ''[[Film/SevenSamurai Samurai]]'' and book 12 is ''[[TheDirtyDozen ''[[Film/TheDirtyDozen Dirty]]'')
18th Dec '16 9:10:01 AM joxo
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* ''ComicBook/OneHundredBullets'' has an interesting twist on this- every story arc/trade paperback has a title that either incorporates its number into it (eg- book 4 is ''A Foregone Tomorrow'', book 9 is ''Strychnine Lives'') or uses part of a known phrase that includes the number, but leaving the actual number out (eg- book 7 is ''[[Film/SevenSamurai Samurai]]'' and book 12 is ''[[DirtyDozen Dirty]]'')

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* ''ComicBook/OneHundredBullets'' has an interesting twist on this- every story arc/trade paperback has a title that either incorporates its number into it (eg- book 4 is ''A Foregone Tomorrow'', book 9 is ''Strychnine Lives'') or uses part of a known phrase that includes the number, but leaving the actual number out (eg- book 7 is ''[[Film/SevenSamurai Samurai]]'' and book 12 is ''[[DirtyDozen ''[[TheDirtyDozen Dirty]]'')
11th Dec '16 4:25:50 PM MidnightMan
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* Music/JeanMichelJarre named the 2016 second "sequel" to his 1976 classic ''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' ''Oxygène 3''. While he was at it, he renamed the 1997 first sequel (formerly known as ''Oxygène 7-13'') ''Oxygène 2''. Yes, this interferes with the track naming on many Jarre albums including all three ''Oxygène''s that uses numbers instead of titles, too; "Oxygène 2" and "Oxygène 3" are shortened names for "Oxygène (Part II)" and "Oxygène (Part III)" from the first ''Music/{{Oxygene}}''.
29th Nov '16 1:04:17 PM MrLavisherMoot
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* ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' can be confusing to people who play it casually, or have little knowledge of it. It started out as ''Grand Theft Auto'', then got expansions, and was followed up with ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto2''. ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIII'' (notice the change to Roman numerals) was released as a whole new gameplay style. Afterwards, they cut the numbers and started using the fictional city names as subtitles. They also released prequels, with the city name, and "Stories" in the title. Then, they released ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'' (thus grouping all the city-ed games together as Grand Theft Auto III games), and made special episodes. So you can have people who believe that Vice City is GTAI, Liberty City Stories is GTAII, San Andreas is GTAIII, and Ballad of Gay Tony is GTAIV. And if you show them Grand Theft Auto 1 or 2, they will assume they are simply handheld ports of whatever they think I and II are.
** Rockstar seems to follow the "It's not a sequel unless the engine changes" rule of numbering. Most of the games between ''III'' and ''IV'' are referred to as "the [=GTA3=] era" for the dual facts that A) all of them use the same engine as ''III'' with minor updates and changes, and B) they're also the first games in the overall ''GTA'' series to have concrete story links to previous games - whereas the first two are entirely self-contained and separate stories, ''III'' ended up with a storyline spanning five distinct points in time over the course of 17 years.

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* ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' can be confusing to people who play it casually, or have little knowledge of it. It started out as ''Grand ''VideoGame/{{Grand Theft Auto'', Auto|Classic}}'', then got expansions, and was followed up with ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto2''. ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIII'' (notice the change to Roman numerals) was released as a whole new gameplay style. Afterwards, they cut the numbers and started using the fictional city names as subtitles. They also released prequels, with the city name, and "Stories" in the title. Then, they released ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'' (thus grouping all the city-ed games together as Grand ''Grand Theft Auto III III'' games), and made special episodes. So you can have people who believe that Vice ''Vice City'' is ''GTA I'', ''Liberty City Stories'' is GTAI, Liberty City Stories ''GTA II'', ''San Andreas'' is GTAII, San Andreas is GTAIII, ''GTA III'', and Ballad ''Ballad of Gay Tony Tony'' is GTAIV. ''GTA IV''. And if you show them Grand ''Grand Theft Auto 1 1'' or 2, ''2'', they will assume they are simply handheld ports of whatever they think I ''I'' and II ''II'' are.
** Rockstar seems to follow the "It's not a sequel unless the engine changes" rule of numbering. Most of the games between ''III'' and ''IV'' are referred to as "the [=GTA3=] ''[=GTA III=]'' era" for the dual facts that A) all of them use the same engine as ''III'' with minor updates and changes, and B) they're also the first games in the overall ''GTA'' series to have concrete story links to previous games - whereas the first two are entirely self-contained and separate stories, ''III'' ended up with a storyline spanning five distinct points in time over the course of 17 years.
23rd Nov '16 10:03:34 PM nombretomado
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** And then completely averted with ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRogue'' and ''AssassinsCreedUnity''.

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** And then completely averted with ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRogue'' and ''AssassinsCreedUnity''.''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedUnity''.
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