History Main / NuclearOption

17th Feb '17 6:39:34 PM BattleMaster
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* Captain Stanislav Petrov very nearly came to this conclusion in late 1983, when he saw what looked like 5 [=ICBMs=] inbound to Moscow while on duty at an early-warning center. Fortunately, he was mistrustful of the newly-installed system (which was malfunctioning -- the satellites had picked up a rare reflection at just the right angle over the right portion of the US to spoof the IR signatures of launching [=ICBMs=]), [[OnlySaneMan and rational enough to realize that launching only five warheads as a first strike was suicidally foolish]]; otherwise, he might have deemed it a US first strike and would have alerted his superiors in the Soviet Union (at that point absolutely paranoid that the US was imminently planning such a sneak attack) who would have ordered a "counter" strike against the "attack"... the upshot of which is that we probably would be too busy being radioactive dust or having never been born to be reading TVTropes right here and now.

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* Captain Stanislav Petrov very nearly came to this conclusion in late 1983, when he saw what looked like 5 [=ICBMs=] inbound to Moscow while on duty at an early-warning center. Fortunately, he was mistrustful of the newly-installed system (which was malfunctioning -- the satellites had picked up a rare reflection at just the right angle over the right portion of the US to spoof the IR signatures of launching [=ICBMs=]), [[OnlySaneMan and rational enough to realize that launching only five warheads as a first strike was suicidally foolish]]; otherwise, he might have deemed it a US first strike and would have alerted his superiors in the Soviet Union (at that point absolutely paranoid that the US was imminently planning such a sneak attack) who would have ordered a "counter" strike against the "attack"... the upshot of which is that we probably would be too busy being radioactive dust or having never been born to be reading TVTropes right here and now. He was [[UngratefulBastard reprimanded by his superiors at the time]] but rather obviously has been VindicatedByHistory.
12th Feb '17 10:59:36 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* [[UsefulNotes/HarryTruman President Truman]] chose to utilize the Nuclear Option over the massive Allied sea invasion and conquest of the Japanese home islands to take place in November 1945, Operation Downfall, on the pretext that "[[LesserOfTwoEvils This will end the war five years sooner and save millions of lives]]". The decision was based on very sound RealPolitik logic. If it persuaded the Japanese Army-Navy Junta to surrender before the Soviets invaded northern Japan (in September/October 1945), great! If all it did was destroy two of the four cities that it had proven impossible to raze with regular firebombing, like the other 82 (87 including those four plus Kyoto, but Kyoto was taken off the list), then that was also a plus. There wasn't even an opportunity cost to using the bombs against the difficult-to-firebomb-cities, as only a couple of bombs could be used in ''Downfall'' anyway (two days beforehand against the beaches they wanted to land on, so they would have an unopposed landing) and the USA would have produced several more by that time.

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* [[UsefulNotes/HarryTruman President Truman]] chose to utilize the Nuclear Option over the massive Allied sea invasion and conquest of the Japanese home islands to take place in November 1945, Operation Downfall, on the pretext that "[[LesserOfTwoEvils This will end the war five years sooner and save millions of lives]]". The decision was based on very sound RealPolitik {{Realpolitik}} logic. If it persuaded the Japanese Army-Navy Junta to surrender before the Soviets invaded northern Japan (in September/October 1945), great! If all it did was destroy two of the four cities that it had proven impossible to raze with regular firebombing, like the other 82 (87 including those four plus Kyoto, but Kyoto was taken off the list), then that was also a plus. There wasn't even an opportunity cost to using the bombs against the difficult-to-firebomb-cities, as only a couple of bombs could be used in ''Downfall'' anyway (two days beforehand against the beaches they wanted to land on, so they would have an unopposed landing) and the USA would have produced several more by that time.
24th Jan '17 5:09:21 AM MicoolTNT
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** In ''Turn Coat'', it is revealed that this is Warden Donald Morgan's preferred method of dealing with a particularly nasty breed of EldritchAbomination was to lure it into the a testing area back in 1950s New Mexico. He opened a portal to the spirit world seconds before the boom, destroying the creature's vessel and sending it back to its domain.
** Less literally, it is frequently mentioned that, in-universe, bringing in mortal (non-supernatural) authorities into a supernatural conflict is regarded as the nuclear option by the various supernatural nations. Ironically, this is less due to mankind's possession of ACTUAL nukes, and more due to mankind outnumbering the monsters (or near-monsters) enormously and with the invention of guns, which [[TheFairFolk the Fae]] [[ColdIron and those kin to the Fae]] hate vehemently and even those who are possessed by Fallen Angels can be killed from a bullet to the brain, humanity is a very dangerous force to piss off.

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** In ''Turn Coat'', it is revealed that this is Warden Donald Morgan's preferred method of dealing with a particularly nasty breed of EldritchAbomination was to lure EldritchAbomination, by luring it into the a testing area back in 1950s New Mexico. He opened a portal to the spirit world seconds before the boom, blast, destroying the creature's vessel and sending it back to its domain.
** Less literally, it is frequently mentioned that, in-universe, that bringing in mortal (non-supernatural) authorities into a supernatural conflict is regarded as the nuclear option by the various supernatural nations. Ironically, this is less due to mankind's possession of ACTUAL nukes, and more due to mankind outnumbering the monsters (or near-monsters) enormously and with enormously, as well as the invention of guns, which [[TheFairFolk the Fae]] [[ColdIron and those kin to the Fae]] hate vehemently and vehemently; even those who are possessed by Fallen Angels can be killed from by a bullet to the brain, making humanity is a very dangerous force to piss off.
16th Dec '16 4:32:00 PM FordPrefect
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* Captain Stanislav Petrov very nearly came to this conclusion in late 1983, when he saw what looked like 5 [=ICBMs=] inbound to Moscow while on duty at an early-warning center. Had he been less mistrustful of the newly-installed system (which was malfunctioning -- the satellites had picked up a rare reflection at just the right angle over the right portion of the US to spoof the IR signatures of launching [=ICBMs=]), [[OnlySaneMan and less rational than to realize that launching five warheads as a first strike was suicidally foolish]] , he might have deemed it a US first strike and would have alerted his superiors in the Soviet Union (at that point absolutely paranoid that the US was imminently planning such a sneak attack) who would have ordered a "counter" strike against the "attack"... the upshot of which is that we probably would be too busy being radioactive dust or having never been born to be reading TVTropes right here and now.

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* Captain Stanislav Petrov very nearly came to this conclusion in late 1983, when he saw what looked like 5 [=ICBMs=] inbound to Moscow while on duty at an early-warning center. Had Fortunately, he been less was mistrustful of the newly-installed system (which was malfunctioning -- the satellites had picked up a rare reflection at just the right angle over the right portion of the US to spoof the IR signatures of launching [=ICBMs=]), [[OnlySaneMan and less rational than enough to realize that launching only five warheads as a first strike was suicidally foolish]] , foolish]]; otherwise, he might have deemed it a US first strike and would have alerted his superiors in the Soviet Union (at that point absolutely paranoid that the US was imminently planning such a sneak attack) who would have ordered a "counter" strike against the "attack"... the upshot of which is that we probably would be too busy being radioactive dust or having never been born to be reading TVTropes right here and now.
16th Dec '16 4:29:21 PM FordPrefect
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* [[UsefulNotes/HarryTruman President Truman]] chose to utilize the Nuclear Option over the massive Allied sea invasion and conquest of the Japanese home islands to take place in November 1945, Operation Downfall, on the pretext that "[[LesserOfTwoEvils This will end the war five years sooner and save millions of lives]]". The decision was based on very sound RealPolitik logic. If it persuaded the Japanese Army-Navy Junta to surrender before the Soviets invaded northern Japan (in September/October 1945), great! If all it did was destroy two of the four cities that it had proven impossible to raze with regular firebombing, like the other 82 (there 87 including Kyoto, but it was not on the list), then that was also a plus. There wasn't even an opportunity cost to using the bombs against the difficult-to-firebomb-cities, as only a couple of bombs could be used in ''Downfall'' anyway (two days beforehand against the beaches they wanted to land on, so they would have an unopposed landing) and the USA would have produced several more by that time.

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* [[UsefulNotes/HarryTruman President Truman]] chose to utilize the Nuclear Option over the massive Allied sea invasion and conquest of the Japanese home islands to take place in November 1945, Operation Downfall, on the pretext that "[[LesserOfTwoEvils This will end the war five years sooner and save millions of lives]]". The decision was based on very sound RealPolitik logic. If it persuaded the Japanese Army-Navy Junta to surrender before the Soviets invaded northern Japan (in September/October 1945), great! If all it did was destroy two of the four cities that it had proven impossible to raze with regular firebombing, like the other 82 (there 87 (87 including those four plus Kyoto, but it Kyoto was not on taken off the list), then that was also a plus. There wasn't even an opportunity cost to using the bombs against the difficult-to-firebomb-cities, as only a couple of bombs could be used in ''Downfall'' anyway (two days beforehand against the beaches they wanted to land on, so they would have an unopposed landing) and the USA would have produced several more by that time.
16th Dec '16 4:22:52 PM FordPrefect
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** Londo takes a page out of Sheridan's book in "Into the Fire"; when the Shadow ships refuse to leave Centauri Prime, Londo blows up the island they're based on.

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** Londo takes a page out of Sheridan's book in "Into the Fire"; when the Shadow ships refuse to leave Centauri Prime, Londo blows up [[SittingDuck the island they're based on.on]].
16th Dec '16 4:19:52 PM FordPrefect
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* ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': During the [[spoiler: Chitauri invasion]] at the climax, an OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness sends a nuke at Manhattan (technically they sent two nukes, but that was only because they were GenreSavvy enough to know that ComicBook/NickFury would blow one of the planes up) rather than let [[spoiler: the aliens]] spread to the rest of the world. [[spoiler: They actually saves the day when IronMan [[RelocatingTheExplosion redirects it by physically dragging the bomb to the alien ship instead]]]].

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* ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': During the [[spoiler: Chitauri invasion]] at the climax, an OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness sends a nuke at Manhattan (technically they sent two nukes, but that was only because they were GenreSavvy enough to know that ComicBook/NickFury would blow one of the planes up) rather than let [[spoiler: the aliens]] spread to the rest of the world. [[spoiler: They This actually saves the day when IronMan [[RelocatingTheExplosion redirects it by physically dragging the bomb to the alien ship instead]]]].
16th Dec '16 4:18:41 PM FordPrefect
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The Nuclear Option is the well-considered and appropriate use of nuclear weaponry by a legitimate authority. Perhaps the enemy has already launched nukes at allied targets, maybe the target is NighInvulnerable and a nuke is the only way to crack through its protections, or ItsTheOnlyWayToBeSure. It's possible that some {{Cool Starship}}s are flinging nukes at each other in an otherwise empty space - see ExplosionsInSpace. The situation might already so bad that [[GodzillaThreshold the potential for massive collateral damage doesn't matter anymore]]. In any case, the Nuclear Option is, ultimately, a ''good idea'', or at least reasonable. Differs from an EmptyQuiver, as the Nuclear Option is ordered by a legitimate authority. Also, unlike NukeEm or DeusExNukina, it's neither overkill nor likely to backfire and the nuke does something that actually makes sense.

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The Nuclear Option is the well-considered and appropriate use of nuclear weaponry by a legitimate authority. Perhaps the enemy has already launched nukes at allied targets, maybe the target is NighInvulnerable and a nuke is the only way to crack through its protections, or ItsTheOnlyWayToBeSure. It's possible that some {{Cool Starship}}s are flinging nukes at each other in an otherwise empty space - see ExplosionsInSpace. The situation might already be so bad that [[GodzillaThreshold the potential for massive collateral damage doesn't matter anymore]]. In any case, the Nuclear Option is, ultimately, a ''good idea'', or at least reasonable. Differs from an EmptyQuiver, as the Nuclear Option is ordered by a legitimate authority. Also, unlike NukeEm or DeusExNukina, it's neither overkill nor likely to backfire and the nuke does something that actually makes sense.
3rd Dec '16 12:28:51 PM EDP
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** In both ''Anime/{{Macross 7}}'' and ''Anime/MacrossFrontier'', Reaction Weapons are seen as very much "last resort" weapons that are only deployed when it becomes clear that the enemy they're fighting is dangerous enough to warrant such countermeasures.

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** In both ''Anime/{{Macross 7}}'' 7}}'', ''Anime/MacrossZero'' and ''Anime/MacrossFrontier'', Reaction Weapons are seen as very much "last resort" weapons that are only deployed when it becomes clear that the enemy they're fighting is dangerous enough to warrant such countermeasures.
29th Sep '16 1:07:21 PM LupoCani
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* The ''Franchise/{{Stargate|Verse}}'' series loves the bomb, and uses it with increasing frequency as the series progresses. One was used in the movie, a few were used in ''Series/StargateSG1'', and nukes seem to be the primary weapon of ''Series/StargateAtlantis''. Their starships use nukes as standard armament.

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* The ''Franchise/{{Stargate|Verse}}'' series loves the bomb, bomb. "Nuke it from the inside" is the go-to solution whenever an enemy ship is too powerful, and uses it with increasing frequency as the series progresses.is attempted regularly, to both success and failure. One was used in the movie, a few were used in ''Series/StargateSG1'', and nukes seem to be the primary weapon of ''Series/StargateAtlantis''. Their starships use nukes as standard armament.
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