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19th Jun '16 2:36:41 PM nombretomado
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%%* [[TheThrawnTrilogy Grand Admiral Thrawn]] does this a couple of times, [[spoiler:one of which eventually proves fatal]], enough for the reader to suspend his disbelief over Thrawn's deductive omniscience most of the time.
%%** For the HandOfThrawn, the [[BigBadDuumvirate Big Bad Triumvirate]] trying to [[DeadPersonImpersonation make it look like he's back from the dead]] has a member who possesses a significant fraction of his tactical genius and ability to adjust plans [[XanatosSpeedChess on the spot]] - but Grodin Tierce also has all of Thrawn's tendency to make assumptions about the enemy which don't always hold true. In time, these build up.

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%%* [[TheThrawnTrilogy [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy Grand Admiral Thrawn]] does this a couple of times, [[spoiler:one of which eventually proves fatal]], enough for the reader to suspend his disbelief over Thrawn's deductive omniscience most of the time.
%%** For the HandOfThrawn, Literature/HandOfThrawn, the [[BigBadDuumvirate Big Bad Triumvirate]] trying to [[DeadPersonImpersonation make it look like he's back from the dead]] has a member who possesses a significant fraction of his tactical genius and ability to adjust plans [[XanatosSpeedChess on the spot]] - but Grodin Tierce also has all of Thrawn's tendency to make assumptions about the enemy which don't always hold true. In time, these build up.
3rd Jun '16 4:21:53 PM Hadjorim
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* In ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', Sauron sees everything that goes on in Mordor. Frodo and company have to get through Mordor without Sauron noticing it. [[spoiler: Gandalf and Aragorn manage to get Sauron's attention focused elsewhere, temporarily disabling his omniscience in Mordor.]] It helps that Sauron's omniscience was always limited -- he ''can'' see anywhere, so long as another power isn't blocking him (and there are few in Middle-earth that can), but he's not aware of everything all the time and has to actively look for something in order to find it. He's also capable of misinterpreting what he sees, as when Pippin accidentally contacts him through the Palantir and Sauron believes that it is Saruman's way of reporting, "Hey, got that Ringbearer you were looking for."

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* In ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', Sauron sees everything that goes on in Mordor. Frodo and company have to get through Mordor without Sauron noticing it. [[spoiler: Gandalf and Aragorn manage to get Sauron's attention focused elsewhere, temporarily disabling his omniscience in Mordor.]] It helps that Sauron's omniscience was always limited -- he ''can'' see anywhere, so long as another power isn't blocking him (and there are few anything in Middle-earth that can), the world, but he's not aware of can't see everything all the time and at once. Much like a person, he has to actively look for something focus on one particular thing at a time. Therefore while he can see anywhere in order the world, this doesn't help him if he doesn't know where to find it. look. The heroes use this to their advantage by distracting his attention from Mordor, allowing Frodo and Sam to pass through unnoticed. There are also a few creatures in Middle Earth who are capable of blocking his site from certain areas, but in such cases he knows he is being blocked. He's also capable of misinterpreting what he sees, as when Pippin accidentally contacts him through the Palantir and Sauron believes that it is Saruman's way of reporting, "Hey, got that Ringbearer you were looking for."sees.
9th Jan '16 3:09:49 AM jormis29
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** The Psychometry talent can give you a perfect understanding of an event that happened in the past as thought the you were an omniscient, neutral observer, but you're more likely to get random thoughts or glimpses of what was witnessed by people who were there. It gets more likely that you'll get the omniscient perspective as you gain levels in scrying, but you're never guaranteed to get the best result.

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** The Psychometry {{Psychometry}} talent can give you a perfect understanding of an event that happened in the past as thought the you were an omniscient, neutral observer, but you're more likely to get random thoughts or glimpses of what was witnessed by people who were there. It gets more likely that you'll get the omniscient perspective as you gain levels in scrying, but you're never guaranteed to get the best result.
3rd Nov '15 8:50:27 PM nombretomado
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* Hercules from IncredibleHercules temporarily became omniscient during the ComicBook/ChaosWar crossover. Despite this he was tricked repeatedly and had to be guided to victory by others. Omniscience is useless if one either ignores it or does not bother to use it.

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* Hercules from IncredibleHercules ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules'' temporarily became omniscient during the ComicBook/ChaosWar crossover. Despite this he was tricked repeatedly and had to be guided to victory by others. Omniscience is useless if one either ignores it or does not bother to use it.
31st Oct '15 12:07:29 AM CasWarner
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* There's a brief moment in ''Literature/BloodMeridian'' where Judge Holden, the hyperintelligent, demonic something-or-other who, before and after, never seems to fail at ''anything,'' loses track of a member of the Glanton gang... and genuinely can't account for where he went. Even fellow gang member Toadvine is surprised and thought the judge knew where he went. The judge seemingly makes a point of never mentioning it again.

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* There's a brief moment in ''Literature/BloodMeridian'' where Judge Holden, the hyperintelligent, demonic something-or-other who, before and after, never seems to fail at ''anything,'' loses track of a member of the Glanton gang... and genuinely can't account for where he went.him. Even fellow gang member Toadvine is surprised and thought the judge knew where he went. The judge seemingly makes a point of never mentioning it again.again, although later in the book, he makes it his stated purpose to know and understand everything in the world and so take control of his destiny, or words to that effect.
27th Oct '15 2:23:23 PM HighCrate
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* In ''Franchise/StarWars'', both the Jedi and the Sith seem to love gushing about their [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] powers. However, their actual accuracy is not significantly better than the rest of population.
** The Jedi totally failed to foresee the Clone Wars, or their own near-extinction under Order 66.
** ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'': "Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design..." Palpatine says to the guy whom he earlier didn't expect to be there. Oh, and did Palpatine foresee his army's defeat at the hands of Ewoks? How about himself being tossed down the BottomlessPit stupidly placed in his throne room?
** Both Jedi and Sith fell victim to opposite problems. The Jedi fell victim to the shroud of the DarkSide. As the darkness of the Clone Wars spread throughout the galaxy, the Jedi lost their sense of clarity. Starting at the time of ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' the Sith were making their appearance in the galaxy known. Thus the Dark Side was giving much better guidance than the light. While Jedi were still powerful, their ability to use the Force as a source of guidance was sufficiently limited that they were incapable of responding. Similarly in ''Return of the Jedi'' the guardians of peace and justice finally reappeared fully with the death of Jabba. Thus for the first time, the Dark Side was less able to give guidance than the Light and for all the careful plotting that had once worked so well for him, Palpatine lost.

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* In ''Franchise/StarWars'', the Force can give its practitioners, both Light and Dark side, visions of the Jedi past, present, and future. Canonically, the Sith seem future is "always in motion" and difficult to love gushing predict with any kind of accuracy. Still, Emperor Palpatine loves to crow about their [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] powers. However, their actual accuracy is not significantly better than the rest of population.
** The Jedi totally failed to foresee the Clone Wars, or their own near-extinction under Order 66.
** ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'': "Everything that
how "everything has transpired has done so proceeded according to my design..." Palpatine says to the guy whom he earlier didn't expect to be there. Oh, and did Palpatine foresee design," right up until his army's defeat at the hands of Ewoks? How about himself being tossed right-hand man throws him down the BottomlessPit stupidly placed in a shaft to his throne room?
** Both Jedi and Sith fell victim to opposite problems. The Jedi fell victim to the shroud of the DarkSide. As the darkness of the Clone Wars spread throughout the galaxy, the Jedi lost their sense of clarity. Starting at the time of ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' the Sith were making their appearance in the galaxy known. Thus the Dark Side was giving much better guidance than the light. While Jedi were still powerful, their ability to use the Force as a source of guidance was sufficiently limited that they were incapable of responding. Similarly in ''Return of the Jedi'' the guardians of peace and justice finally reappeared fully with the death of Jabba. Thus for the first time, the Dark Side was less able to give guidance than the Light and for all the careful plotting that had once worked so well for him, Palpatine lost.
death, which he presumably did ''not'' foresee.



* In ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', Sauron sees everything that goes on in Mordor. Frodo and company have to get through Mordor without Sauron noticing it. [[spoiler: Gandalf and Aragorn manage to get Sauron's attention focused elsewhere, temporarily disabling his omniscience in Mordor.]] It helps that Sauron's omniscience was always limited -- he ''can'' see anywhere, so long as another power isn't blocking him, but he's not aware of everything all the time and has to actively look for something in order to find it.\\
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There were some personality issues that further limited Sauron's omniscience. Sauron was a Big Picture Megalomaniac -- he concentrated on epic scales, on the fates of nations and sweep of civilizations. He didn't even know the Hobbit race ''existed'' until his goons blundered across Gollum and he blurted it out under torture. It was also a matter of EvilCannotComprehendGood -- he was never looking for them to bring the Ring into Mordor, because he could not conceive of the idea that they would destroy it rather than use it against him. He also believed the destruction of the Ring impossible, because it was so consuming that no-one who had it would intentionally destroy it. [[spoiler:He was right: Frodo ''was'' unable to destroy it after all, and the Ring was eventually destroyed by Gollum accidentally falling into the Crack of Doom whilst holding it.]] This was something he could never have predicted.

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* In ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', Sauron sees everything that goes on in Mordor. Frodo and company have to get through Mordor without Sauron noticing it. [[spoiler: Gandalf and Aragorn manage to get Sauron's attention focused elsewhere, temporarily disabling his omniscience in Mordor.]] It helps that Sauron's omniscience was always limited -- he ''can'' see anywhere, so long as another power isn't blocking him, him (and there are few in Middle-earth that can), but he's not aware of everything all the time and has to actively look for something in order to find it.\\
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There were some personality issues that further limited Sauron's omniscience. Sauron was a Big Picture Megalomaniac -- he concentrated on epic scales, on the fates of nations and sweep of civilizations. He didn't even know the Hobbit race ''existed'' until his goons blundered across Gollum and he blurted it out under torture. It was
it. He's also a matter capable of EvilCannotComprehendGood -- misinterpreting what he was never looking for them to bring the Ring into Mordor, because he could not conceive of the idea that they would destroy it rather than use it against him. He also believed the destruction of the Ring impossible, because it was so consuming that no-one who had it would intentionally destroy it. [[spoiler:He was right: Frodo ''was'' unable to destroy it after all, and the Ring was eventually destroyed by Gollum sees, as when Pippin accidentally falling into contacts him through the Crack Palantir and Sauron believes that it is Saruman's way of Doom whilst holding it.]] This was something he could never have predicted.reporting, "Hey, got that Ringbearer you were looking for."



* [[TheThrawnTrilogy Grand Admiral Thrawn]] does this a couple of times, [[spoiler:one of which eventually proves fatal]], enough for the reader to suspend his disbelief over Thrawn's deductive omniscience most of the time.
** For the HandOfThrawn, the [[BigBadDuumvirate Big Bad Triumvirate]] trying to [[DeadPersonImpersonation make it look like he's back from the dead]] has a member who possesses a significant fraction of his tactical genius and ability to adjust plans [[XanatosSpeedChess on the spot]] - but Grodin Tierce also has all of Thrawn's tendency to make assumptions about the enemy which don't always hold true. In time, these build up.

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* %%* [[TheThrawnTrilogy Grand Admiral Thrawn]] does this a couple of times, [[spoiler:one of which eventually proves fatal]], enough for the reader to suspend his disbelief over Thrawn's deductive omniscience most of the time.
** %%** For the HandOfThrawn, the [[BigBadDuumvirate Big Bad Triumvirate]] trying to [[DeadPersonImpersonation make it look like he's back from the dead]] has a member who possesses a significant fraction of his tactical genius and ability to adjust plans [[XanatosSpeedChess on the spot]] - but Grodin Tierce also has all of Thrawn's tendency to make assumptions about the enemy which don't always hold true. In time, these build up.



* In ''Series/{{LOST}}'', Ben starts out as TheOmniscient but gradually slips down from the top of the GambitPileup.

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* %%* In ''Series/{{LOST}}'', Ben starts out as TheOmniscient but gradually slips down from the top of the GambitPileup.



*** "Midnight" is actually something of an aversion, as the Doctor usually uses the illusion of omniscience to get people to trust and obey him. The passengers of Midnight don't agree with this though, out and out questioning why they should just blindly follow him as he clearly knows about as much as they do given the circumstances. When he replies that its 'because I'm clever', the passengers become even angrier. Midnight is basically the effect of the doctors reliance of the appearance of his Omniscience backfiring.
** The episode "The Satan Pit" demonstrates that even some of the Doctor's assumptions about the fundamental nature of the universe can be entirely wrong.
** One would think that, seeing as he knows the vast majority of Earth history and a not insignificant amount of the history about the other planets he chooses to visit, he wouldn't be surprised by as many of the events that happen to him as he inevitably is.
* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': Enabran Tain. Even in retirement TheSpymaster stays on top of everything, right down to knowing when people have made impulsive, last minute decisions to visit him and what their favourite drinks are. In the end, he comes out of retirement to head a joined Obsidian Order/Tal Shiar task force intent on destroying the Dominion long before. It does not end well. [[spoiler: Unfortunately, he didn't realise his second-in-command (the Tal Shiar leader) was actually a disguised Founder who had instigated the entire task force with the intention of wiping out both organisations as a prelude to invasion. When Tain realises what's happened, it's too late, and he observes to Garak that he's clearly lost his touch because he'd never have been deceived prior to his retirement.]]

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*** "Midnight" is actually something of an aversion, as the Doctor usually uses the illusion of omniscience to get people to trust and obey him. The passengers of Midnight don't agree with this though, out and out questioning why they should just blindly follow him as he clearly knows about as much as they do given the circumstances. When he replies that its 'because I'm clever', the passengers become even angrier. Midnight is basically the effect of the doctors reliance of the appearance of his Omniscience backfiring.
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%%** The episode "The Satan Pit" demonstrates that even some of the Doctor's assumptions about the fundamental nature of the universe can be entirely wrong.
** One would think that, seeing as he knows the vast majority of Earth history and a not insignificant amount of the history about the other planets he chooses to visit, he wouldn't be surprised by as many of the events that happen to him as he inevitably is.
* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': Enabran Tain. Even in retirement TheSpymaster stays on top of everything, right down to knowing when people have made impulsive, last minute decisions to visit him and what their favourite favorite drinks are. In the end, he comes out of retirement to head a joined Obsidian Order/Tal Shiar task force intent on destroying the Dominion long before.Dominion. It does not end well. [[spoiler: Unfortunately, he didn't realise doesn't realize that his second-in-command (the Tal Shiar leader) was is actually a disguised Founder who had instigated the entire task force with the intention of wiping out both organisations as a prelude to invasion. When Tain realises realizes what's happened, it's too late, and he observes to Garak that he's clearly lost his touch because he'd never have been deceived prior to his retirement.]]



* People trust the [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]] to be the world's intelligent, skillful, omniscient and pretty much perfect savior. Too bad Aang's just a [[KidHero kid]] who was trapped in an [[KingInTheMountain iceberg]] for a hundred. freaking. years.
* It's not much better in the sequel series ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''. The Avatar this time around is a teenage girl who was raised in an isolated compound for most of her life and thus has no idea how to handle real life matters like politics, romance, laws, or even ''buying food''. She's skilled at bending (with the exception of Airbending) but not much else. The people of Republic City ''still'' trust her to be the perfect hero that will solve all of their problems. [[spoiler: The look into the past explaining the Avatar's origins reveals that the Avatar was ''never'' a perfect savior. Both halves of the original Avatar, the spirit and the human, were well intentioned but flawed people who [[NiceJobBreakingItHero caused almost as many problems as they solved]]. It's also made clear that every Avatar was just an ordinary person trying their best to bring peace to the world and just as prone to making mistakes as anyone else.]]

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* People trust the [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]] to be the world's intelligent, skillful, omniscient and pretty much perfect savior. Too bad Aang's just a [[KidHero kid]] who was trapped in an [[KingInTheMountain iceberg]] for a hundred. freaking. years.
hundred years. He's still wise for his age when he [[LetsGetDangerous takes things seriously]], but he's also much more gullible and ruled by his emotions than an older, more experienced man would be.
* It's not much better in the sequel series ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra''. The Avatar this time around is a teenage girl who was raised in an isolated compound for most of her life and thus has no idea how to handle real life matters like politics, romance, laws, or even ''buying food''. She's skilled at bending (with the exception of Airbending) but not much else. The people of Republic City ''still'' trust her to be the perfect hero that will solve all of their problems. [[spoiler: The look into the past explaining the Avatar's origins reveals that the Avatar was ''never'' a perfect savior. Both halves of the original Avatar, the spirit and the human, were well intentioned well-intentioned but flawed people who [[NiceJobBreakingItHero caused almost as many problems as they solved]]. It's also made clear that every Avatar was just an ordinary person trying their best to bring peace to the world and just as prone to making mistakes as anyone else.]]
27th Oct '15 2:02:17 PM HighCrate
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', Dr. Manhattan is an [[TheOmniscient omniscient]] NonLinearCharacter. During the storyline, something happens that make him lose his omniscience while still being a NonLinearCharacter.
** [[spoiler: In being so, he seems to relish the uncertainty.]]

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', Dr. Manhattan is an [[TheOmniscient omniscient]] NonLinearCharacter. During the storyline, something happens that make him lose unable to see past a certain point in the future, and he speculates that it ''could'' be the fallout and EMP from a large nuclear exchange mucking with his omniscience while still being a NonLinearCharacter.
** [[spoiler: In being so,
extra-temporal senses. [[spoiler: It turns out to be Ozymandias bombarding him with {{Phlebotinum}} so that he seems won't catch on to relish the uncertainty.Ozy's plans too soon.]]
25th Oct '15 8:41:25 PM nombretomado
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* [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13792636210A84451500&page=547#13656 Here]] in [[EnterTheArenaAsYourAvatar our very own Avatar Arena]], the [[InfinityBlade Worker of Secrets]] gets hit with it, courtesy of [[spoiler: [[FanNickname Troll]][[PuellaMagiMadokaMagica doka]]]].

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* [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13792636210A84451500&page=547#13656 Here]] in [[EnterTheArenaAsYourAvatar our very own Avatar Arena]], the [[InfinityBlade Worker of Secrets]] gets hit with it, courtesy of [[spoiler: [[FanNickname Troll]][[PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Troll]][[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica doka]]]].
13th Oct '15 3:27:06 PM CasWarner
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* There's a brief moment in ''Literature/BloodMeridian'' where Judge Holden, the hyperintelligent, demonic something-or-other who, before and after, never seems to fail at ''anything,'' loses track of a member of the Glanton gang... and genuinely can't account for where he went. Even fellow gang member Toadvine is surprised and thought the judge knew where he went. The judge seemingly makes a point of never mentioning it again.
27th Sep '15 8:26:21 PM TARINunit9
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* In Film/MortalKombat, Liu Kang asks Raiden (god of lightning) in the end if he knew all along what would happen.

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** Once this rule is established, though (and even a bit before) He's shown to be omniscient in every other aspect.
* In Film/MortalKombat, ''Film/MortalKombat'', Liu Kang asks Raiden (god of lightning) in the end if he knew all along what would happen.
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