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15th Mar '16 4:35:19 PM Adept
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** [[WildMassGuessing Alternatively]], your old character WAS speaking to you. However, since everyone had their own interpretation of what his personality was, especially because he was an [[AudienceSurrogate audience surrogate]], they intentionally left his speech blank so that you could fill in the blanks yourself. The Red you played could have been an AllLovingHero, a SirSwearsALot, a CloudCuckooLander, anything! You decide what he said on that mountain!

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** %%** [[WildMassGuessing Alternatively]], your old character WAS speaking to you. However, since everyone had their own interpretation of what his personality was, especially because he was an [[AudienceSurrogate audience surrogate]], they intentionally left his speech blank so that you could fill in the blanks yourself. The Red you played could have been an AllLovingHero, a SirSwearsALot, a CloudCuckooLander, anything! You decide what he said on that mountain!
13th Jan '16 10:50:16 PM StrixObscuro
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** In ''ComicBook/{{Runaways 2015}}'', Molly, the only returning member from the original team (and supposedly only included because someone higher up insisted on it), was reduced to being a TagalongKid so that she wouldn't overshadow the new team.
29th Dec '15 5:44:42 AM Anddrix
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* In ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', after the writers decided to have Ben Grimm reunite with his ex Alicia Masters, his then-girlfriend Sharon Ventura was given a FaceHeelTurn wherein she made a deal with SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom in hopes of being restored to her normal form, which naturally caused a rift between her and Ben and ultimately led to her being kicked off the team.

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* In ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', after the writers decided to have Ben Grimm reunite with his ex Alicia Masters, his then-girlfriend Sharon Ventura was given a FaceHeelTurn wherein she made a deal with SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doctor Doom in hopes of being restored to her normal form, which naturally caused a rift between her and Ben and ultimately led to her being kicked off the team.
16th Dec '15 6:13:59 PM azul120
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The "victim" who was DyingToBeReplaced is moved out of the way, but the victim who is NotAsYouKnowThem is expected to stick around and suffer. Not only have they lost their old title, it's usually through circumstance rather than their own fault. Unfortunately, whatever happened to them has transformed their personality - generally into something [[DarkerAndEdgier more jaded]]. They're still there in the story, they're still (usually) on the side of good... but for all intents and purposes, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks it may as well be a different character]]. They often become a cynical version of TheObiWan to the new hero, who, of course, is [[BeginnersLuck much better at their job than they ever were]].

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The "victim" who was DyingToBeReplaced is moved out of the way, but the victim who is NotAsYouKnowThem Not As You Know Them is expected to stick around and suffer. Not only have they lost their old title, it's usually through circumstance rather than their own fault. Unfortunately, whatever happened to them has transformed their personality - generally into something [[DarkerAndEdgier more jaded]]. They're still there in the story, they're still (usually) on the side of good... but for all intents and purposes, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks it may as well be a different character]]. They often become a cynical version of TheObiWan to the new hero, who, of course, is [[BeginnersLuck much better at their job than they ever were]].



The quickest way to figure out if a character has become NotAsYouKnowThem is to ask yourself "if their physical appearance was completely different, and I wasn't ''told'' exactly who they were, would I have figured it out or assumed they were a new character?"

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The quickest way to figure out if a character has become NotAsYouKnowThem Not As You Know Them is to ask yourself "if their physical appearance was completely different, and I wasn't ''told'' exactly who they were, would I have figured it out or assumed they were a new character?"



As is always the case with CharacterDerailment tropes, NotAsYouKnowThem can be fairly subjective; there will be those who hate the changes and declare FanonDiscontinuity, and those who like them and cite CharacterDevelopment (albeit CharacterDevelopment that happened "off screen").

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As is always the case with CharacterDerailment tropes, NotAsYouKnowThem Not As You Know Them can be fairly subjective; there will be those who hate the changes and declare FanonDiscontinuity, and those who like them and cite CharacterDevelopment (albeit CharacterDevelopment that happened "off screen").
15th Jun '15 12:23:18 PM StrixObscuro
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** [[spoiler: The original Aquaman returns to defend Atlantis in ''Final Crisis'' #7... with [[UnexplainedRecovery no explanation given]] about his death and whatnot.]]

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** [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The original Aquaman returns to defend Atlantis in ''Final Crisis'' #7... with [[UnexplainedRecovery no explanation given]] about his death and whatnot.]]



**** [[spoiler: [[Comicbook/BrightestDay And then Aquaman officially joined the living.]] BTW, one of the guys at DC said the Aquaman that appeared in ''Final Crisis'' was from an alternate universe.]]
* Ryan Choi is the New [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom]]. Old Atom ran off after [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis his ex-wife (whom he still loved) went crazy/evil]]. After a "Search for Ray Palmer", the old Atom has been found, but he is now portrayed as cowardly, and eventually this is revealed to be the result of a complicated plot from his nemesis Chronos to discredit him. Then Ryan gets StuffedIntoTheFridge and the ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' mini has Ray Palmer torturing a supervillain by shrinking down and stepping on the bad guy's brain. Take note: that's exactly how [[spoiler:his ex-wife Jean Loring]] accidentally murdered [[spoiler:Sue Dibny]]. And this is the same Ray Palmer who in ''Blackest Night'' [[spoiler: was chosen to be temporarily a member of the Indigo Tribe to help battle Nekron. Each of the Corps are based on a particular emotion, which is how they recruit potential members i.e Scarecrow was made into a Sinestro Corps member due to his obsession with fear. Want to know what the Indigo Tribe's emotion is? Compassion. Possible FridgeBrilliance as Indigo Tribe seems to be made up of brainwashed individuals devoid of compassion, who are infected with it by the rings. People already overly-compassionate wouldn't be able to handle all the extra compassion that the ring comes with.]]

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**** [[spoiler: [[Comicbook/BrightestDay [[spoiler:[[Comicbook/BrightestDay And then Aquaman officially joined the living.]] BTW, Incidentally, one of the guys at DC said the Aquaman that appeared in ''Final Crisis'' was from an alternate universe.]]
* Ryan Choi is the New [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom]]. Old Atom ran off after [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis his ex-wife (whom he still loved) went crazy/evil]]. After a "Search for Ray Palmer", the old Atom has been found, but he is now portrayed as cowardly, and eventually this is revealed to be the result of a complicated plot from his nemesis Chronos to discredit him. Then Ryan gets StuffedIntoTheFridge and the ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' mini has Ray Palmer torturing a supervillain by shrinking down and stepping on the bad guy's brain. Take note: that's exactly how [[spoiler:his ex-wife Jean Loring]] accidentally murdered [[spoiler:Sue Dibny]]. And this is the same Ray Palmer who in ''Blackest Night'' [[spoiler: was [[spoiler:was chosen to be temporarily a member of the Indigo Tribe to help battle Nekron. Each of the Corps are based on a particular emotion, which is how they recruit potential members i.e Scarecrow was made into a Sinestro Corps member due to his obsession with fear. Want to know what the Indigo Tribe's emotion is? Compassion. Possible FridgeBrilliance as Indigo Tribe seems to be made up of brainwashed individuals devoid of compassion, who are infected with it by the rings. People already overly-compassionate wouldn't be able to handle all the extra compassion that the ring comes with.]]


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* In the last arc of ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'', Klara was suddenly turned into a psychotic brat in advance of plans to resurrect Gert Yorkes and restore the team to the lineup it had at the beginning of its second volume. When those plans failed to pan out (due to Marvel cancelling the series), Klara was saddled with the comic-book version of PTSD.
* In ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', after the writers decided to have Ben Grimm reunite with his ex Alicia Masters, his then-girlfriend Sharon Ventura was given a FaceHeelTurn wherein she made a deal with SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom in hopes of being restored to her normal form, which naturally caused a rift between her and Ben and ultimately led to her being kicked off the team.
8th Jun '15 1:31:44 PM Metekillot
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26th May '15 11:49:41 PM rjung
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* Jim Phelps in the ''Film/MissionImpossible'' movies. The original actor wisely refused to return to play the original character as he turns evil so the new guy can kick his ass on the way to becoming the new main character.

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* Jim Phelps in the ''Film/MissionImpossible'' movies. The Creator/PeterGraves, who played Phelps in [[Series/MissionImpossible the original actor TV series,]] wisely refused to return to play as the original character as he inexplicably turns evil so the new guy can kick his ass on the way to becoming the new main character.
12th May '15 1:22:17 PM NoSpoilerz
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**[[WildMassGuessing Alternatively]], your old character WAS speaking to you. However, since everyone had their own interpretation of what his personality was, especially because he was an [[AudienceSurrogate audience surrogate]], they intentionally left his speech blank so that you could fill in the blanks yourself. The Red you played could have been an AllLovingHero, a SirSwearsALot, a CloudCuckooLander, anything! You decide what he said on that mountain!
16th Apr '15 12:10:04 AM Anicomicgeek
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* ''The Batman Strikes'', the tie-in comic to ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman'' gives the usual team-up Poison Ivy and ComicBook/HarleyQuinn, but switches the roles around: making Harley the (relatively speaking) level-headed brains of the operation, while Ivy is the unstable one. It helps that Ivy is an impulsive teenager in this continuity, while Harley - while still a daffy hedonist - is a bit more independent and cunning than usual.
15th Apr '15 7:27:03 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* In ''{{ObsCure}} II'', Shannon went from a fairly upbeat HollywoodNerd to a {{jerkass}} {{goth}} girl, Stan went from a [[TheStoner pot-smoking slacker]] to an ex-convict, and former varsity athlete Kenny [[spoiler:literally turned into a monster halfway through the game]]. This was presumably done to make room for Amy, Corey, and Sven, who have similar character traits to those that the characters listed above had in the first game.
** Except [[spoiler:the new characters are [[KillEmAll killed off]], leaving Shannon and Stan ''[[FinalGirl the only ones alive]]'']] at the end.

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* In ''{{ObsCure}} ''VideoGame/{{ObsCure}} II'', Shannon Shannon, Stan, and Kenny, the three returning protagonists from the first game, all underwent some severe personality changes in the two years since then. It's most notable with Shannon, who went from a fairly upbeat HollywoodNerd cute, [[HollywoodNerd brainy]] GirlNextDoor to a {{jerkass}} hot {{goth}} girl, Stan went from a chick who TookALevelInJerkass. It's slightly more justified for Stan, the [[TheStoner pot-smoking slacker]] to an ex-convict, whose time in prison likely gave him his new attitude, and for the former varsity athlete Kenny [[spoiler:literally turned into a monster Kenny, [[spoiler:whose FaceMonsterTurn halfway through the game]]. This game is justified by his running out of the medicine he needed to [[ZombieInfectee keep his mortifilia infection at bay]]]]. Still, it's obvious that this was presumably done to make room for Amy, Corey, and Sven, who have similar character traits to those that the characters listed above Shannon, Stan, and Kenny respectively had in the first game.
** Except [[SubvertedTrope By the end, however]], [[spoiler:the new characters are all [[KillEmAll killed off]], leaving Shannon and Stan ''[[FinalGirl [[FinalGirl the only ones alive]]'']] at the end.alive]] to defeat Kenny]].
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