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31st Jul '16 6:26:35 PM Gideoncrawle
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->''"YouKeepUsingThatWord. I do not think it means what you think it means."''

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->''"YouKeepUsingThatWord.->''"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."''
14th Apr '16 10:14:47 AM TinOz
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->''"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."''

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->''"You keep using that word.->''"YouKeepUsingThatWord. I do not think it means what you think it means."''
20th Oct '15 3:58:08 PM MarsJenkar
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A trope can of course be both inverted and subverted, if the viewer or reader is led to expect the straight version only to be given an inversion of some kind, but an inverted trope is not automatically also a subverted one: there needs to be a genuine attempt to suggest that the trope is going to be used straight to qualify as a "subversion".

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A trope can of course be both inverted and subverted, if the viewer or reader is led to expect the straight version only to be given an inversion of some kind, but an inverted trope is not automatically also a subverted one: there needs to be a genuine attempt to suggest that the trope is going to be used straight to qualify as a "subversion".
"subversion". Continuing the example above:

* Subversion ''and'' inversion: The show makes it look like the black dude is going to die first, but he doesn't--everyone ''else'' dies instead.
25th Apr '15 3:26:51 AM MyTimingIsOff
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Sometimes, when people talk of "Partial Subversion", they mean DownplayedTrope, where the trope is still present, but to a much lesser degree.

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Sometimes, when people talk of "Partial Subversion", a "partial subversion", they mean DownplayedTrope, where the trope is still present, but to a much lesser degree.



Worst case scenario, the so-called "subversion" is actually not an example at all. If the event that gets "subverted" is NotATrope, it is not a subversion because there is no trope. It's just BaitAndSwitch.

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Worst case scenario, the so-called "subversion" is actually not an example at all. If the event that gets "subverted" is NotATrope, Administrivia/NotATrope, it is not a subversion because there is no trope. It's just BaitAndSwitch.
24th Apr '15 8:10:38 PM Elusivehawk
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->''You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.''

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->''You ->''"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.''"''
8th Mar '15 12:02:32 PM MyTimingIsOff
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As an example, if the trope in question is the BlackDudeDiesFirst.

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As an example, if the trope in question is the BlackDudeDiesFirst.BlackDudeDiesFirst:



Worse, occasionally a ''slight'' spin on the standard trope formula, such as the addition of a [[JustifiedTrope justification]], is seized upon as a subversion by the occasional fan, perhaps because they don't want to acknowledge that a trope was played deadly straight [[TropesAreNotBad to good effect]] in their favourite work. The reverse assumption is also common.

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Worse, occasionally a ''slight'' spin on the standard trope formula, such as the addition of a [[JustifiedTrope justification]], justification, is seized upon as a subversion by the occasional fan, perhaps because they don't want to acknowledge that a trope was played deadly straight [[TropesAreNotBad [[TropesAreTools to good effect]] in their favourite work. The reverse assumption is also common.



Occasionally, {{Deconstruction}}s are also listed as subversions. A DeconstructedTrope is played completely straight, and so is not a subversion even though they subvert people's expectations of the ''consequences'' of a trope. There's also a related problem of people mislabelling things as deconstructions or [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed Tropes]] [[NotADeconstruction when they aren't]], but that's another matter.

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Occasionally, {{Deconstruction}}s are also listed as subversions. A DeconstructedTrope is played completely straight, and so is not a subversion even though they subvert people's expectations of the ''consequences'' of a trope. There's also a related problem of people mislabelling things as deconstructions or [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed Tropes]] deconstructed tropes [[NotADeconstruction when they aren't]], but that's another matter.



* "Actually somewhat subverted because..."
* "A possible subversion is..."

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* "Actually "[[Administrivia/ConversationInTheMainPage Actually]] somewhat subverted because..."
* "A possible [[Administrivia/ExamplesAreNotArguable possible]] subversion is..."
16th Jan '15 9:30:48 PM MyTimingIsOff
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->''{{You keep using that word}}. I do not think it means what you think it means.''

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->''{{You ->''You keep using that word}}.word. I do not think it means what you think it means.''



A TV Tropes [[WikiTropes Wiki Trope]] involving the [[YouKeepUsingThatWord loose usage]] of the term "[[SubvertedTrope subversion]]".

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A TV Tropes Wiki/TVTropes [[WikiTropes Wiki Trope]] involving the [[YouKeepUsingThatWord loose usage]] of the term "[[SubvertedTrope subversion]]".



Worst case scenario, the so-called "[[SubvertedTrope subversion]]" is actually NotAnExample at all. If the event that gets "subverted" is NotATrope at all, this is not a subversion because there is no trope. It's just BaitAndSwitch.

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Worst case scenario, the so-called "[[SubvertedTrope subversion]]" "subversion" is actually NotAnExample not an example at all. If the event that gets "subverted" is NotATrope at all, this NotATrope, it is not a subversion because there is no trope. It's just BaitAndSwitch.
26th Nov '14 4:49:43 PM TrickyTroper
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Worse, occasionally a ''slight'' spin on the standard trope formula, such as the addition of a [[JustifiedTrope justification]], is seized upon as a subversion by the occasional fan, perhaps because they don't want to acknowledge that a trope was played deadly straight [[TropesAreNotBad to good effect]] in their favourite work.

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Worse, occasionally a ''slight'' spin on the standard trope formula, such as the addition of a [[JustifiedTrope justification]], is seized upon as a subversion by the occasional fan, perhaps because they don't want to acknowledge that a trope was played deadly straight [[TropesAreNotBad to good effect]] in their favourite work.
work. The reverse assumption is also common.
11th Feb '14 9:09:44 AM Fighteer
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* Subversion: The game ends anticlimactically.

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* Subversion: The It looks like the game ends will go down to the wire, with the teams tied for most of the game, but then someone scores in the third quarter (or seventh inning) and then it peters out anticlimactically.



Worst case scenario, the so-called "[[SubvertedTrope subversion]]" is actually NotAnExample at all.
If the event that gets "subverted" is NotATrope at all, this is not a subversion because there is no trope. It's just BaitAndSwitch.

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Worst case scenario, the so-called "[[SubvertedTrope subversion]]" is actually NotAnExample at all.
all. If the event that gets "subverted" is NotATrope at all, this is not a subversion because there is no trope. It's just BaitAndSwitch.BaitAndSwitch.

If you ever see SubvertedTrope listed ''as an example'', it's probably this.
20th Nov '13 11:09:11 AM TrickyTroper
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If the event that gets "subverted" is NotATrope at all, this is not a subversion because there is no trope. It's just BaitAndSwitch.
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