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11th Mar '17 8:59:29 AM Aquila89
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* In an episode of ''Series/{{Friends}}'', Monica offers Chandler a massage, but it turns out to be very painful. He tells her this and it turns out that everyone else was making lame excuses about it and Chandler was the only one who was honest to her.

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* In an episode of ''Series/{{Friends}}'', Monica offers Chandler a massage, but it turns out to be very painful. He tells her this doesn't want to tell her, and it turns out that everyone else was making lame excuses about it it. Eventually, she tries to massage Phoebe, who tells her "as a masseuse and Chandler was the only one who was honest a human" to her.never give massages again.
16th Nov '16 5:27:17 AM Fighteer
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* Every single time there's an attempt to remove a religious idol erected on public property, or put an end to some other special privilege one religion has gotten used to having over everyone else, there will '''always''' be a flood of religious apologists insisting that [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections whatever illegal thing they've been doing MUST be okay]], because ''nobody ever complained before''. Even when the same violation actually HAS been reported before, perhaps many times.
* When, in 1815, the Allies occupied Paris after the Waterloo campaign, a lot of nations sent representatives there to locate works of art that had been taken there as booty of war during the Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars (e. g. Schadow's quadriga from the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin). As Clausewitz noted, there were Frenchmen who complained against this because the Allies had not taken these works of art back when they occupied Paris for the first time in 1814!
* The Barbary Wars of the early 1800s. European powers preferred to simply buy off the Barbary Corsairs rather than risk a disruptive war at sea -- there were even dedicated line items in some nations' annual budgets setting aside a portion of their GDP as tribute -- to the point where paying ransoms to the Corsairs was just an accepted cost of doing business in the Mediterranean Sea. When the Corsairs presented their tribute demands to the fledging United States, newly-elected President UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson -- partly out of general principle, and partly because the young nation simply couldn't afford such an expenditure -- basically said, "Yeah... no, we're not gonna do that" and set about building a navy instead. The United States was the first nation in recent memory to actually oppose the whole institutionalized piracy arrangement that kept the Barbary States wealthy and powerful. And it worked: After a rough start, the United States Navy defeated the Corsairs in 1805 (the origin of "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Corps Hymn), and then again, decisively in 1815. After that, the British and French felt emboldened enough to refuse paying tribute as well; after all, if one weak, upstart, faraway nation could successfully oppose the Corsairs, then what excuse did they have? Ultimately they conquered and colonized North Africa. All it took was one nation to complain (very loudly, with cannons), and the whole thing fell down.
* In 2016, the US government announced that women who reached age 18 would be required to register with the Selective Service System -- the so-called "military draft" -- just like American men had been required to do since 1917. Almost immediately, the National Organization for Women began a campaign to completely end the draft because "no-one should be forced to fight and die unless they volunteer." It goes without saying that many jokes were made about the convenient timing of the organization's protest, and the fact that [[{{Hypocrite}} when it was just men being drafted, the organization never really gave a damn about the draft]].
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15th Nov '16 11:10:37 PM BigJaredMonkey
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* In 2016, the US government announced that women who reached age 18 would be required to register with the Selective Service System -- the so-called "military draft" -- just like American men had been required to do since 1917. Almost immediately, the National Organization for Women began a campaign to completely end the draft because "no-one should be forced to fight and die unless they volunteer." It goes without saying that many jokes were made about the convenient timing of the organization's protest, and the fact that [[{{Hypocrite}} when it was just men being drafted, the organization never really gave a damn about the draft]].
15th Nov '16 7:20:48 PM DimensionalShambler
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* Every political or cultural revolution, ever. The people rise up against an inherent inequity in law or society that everyone just simply accepted -- or at least never really thought about -- until now. Not just revolutions; most political, social and many religious movements and theories tend to run against this. In many countries law is established by precedent and thus "nobody ever complained" is actually a strong argument that a certain practice is perfectly legal and has to be protected. This led some movements to try and establish a largely or entirely mythical even older precedent -- e. g. the "ancient English freedoms" brought up by the Parliamentarian side in the run-up to the English Civil War. This will often be brought up explicitly by those defending the old system. "You aren't fighting for equality, you're infringing our established right to persecute you."



* In 2016, the US government announced that women who reached age 18 would be required to register with the Selective Service System -- the so-called "military draft" -- just like American men had been required to do since 1917. Almost immediately, the National Organization for Women began a campaign to completely end the draft because "no-one should be forced to fight and die unless they volunteer." It goes without saying that many jokes were made about the convenient timing of the organization's protest, and the fact that [[{{Hypocrite}} when it was just men being drafted, the organization never really gave a damn about the draft]].
14th Nov '16 5:01:19 PM StFan
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* In the ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Star Trek]]''/''Series/BabylonFive'' crossover story ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1944628/1/A_Thin_Veneer A Thin Veneer,]]'' the Minbari are simply ''outraged'' that, after years of being able to casually slaughter the humans from the Earth Alliance with ease, Starfleet refuses to allow them to continue the slaughter! But what ''really'' makes them mad is that the Federation actually has the brass balls to ''win battles against the Minbari''! Seriously, their attitude is "How dare they fight back! [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly How dare they have superior technology to the Minbari!]] And how dare they win!"

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* In the ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Star Trek]]''/''Series/BabylonFive'' crossover story ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1944628/1/A_Thin_Veneer A Thin Veneer,]]'' the Minbari are simply ''outraged'' that, after years of being able ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}'': One guy tries using this line and ObfuscatingStupidity in an attempt to casually slaughter the humans from the Earth Alliance with ease, Starfleet refuses to allow them to continue the slaughter! But what ''really'' makes them mad pull a fast one on Dilbert. [[http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1999-08-08/ Dilbert's response is that the Federation actually has the brass balls to ''win battles against the Minbari''! Seriously, their attitude is "How dare they fight back! [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly How dare they have superior technology to the Minbari!]] And how dare they win!"priceless.]]



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* In the ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Star Trek]]''/''Series/BabylonFive'' crossover story ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1944628/1/A_Thin_Veneer A Thin Veneer,]]'' the Minbari are simply ''outraged'' that, after years of being able to casually slaughter the humans from the Earth Alliance with ease, Starfleet refuses to allow them to continue the slaughter! But what ''really'' makes them mad is that the Federation actually has the brass balls to ''win battles against the Minbari''! Seriously, their attitude is "How dare they fight back! [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly How dare they have superior technology to the Minbari!]] And how dare they win!"
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* In ''Series/BabylonFive'', the Minbari routinely salute other Minbari vessels by approaching with gunports open as a sign of respect. When they encounter a human vessel for the first time, they attempt to do the same as a friendly gesture. The Earth ship, with it's sensors on the fritz because of a Minbari scan and Minbari stealth technology can't tell whether the weapons are powered, and its trigger-happy captain utterly misinterpreting this maneuver and convinced the larger alien vessel is about to attack, opens fire first. The Minbari leader Dukhat was ''[[SubvertedTrope enraged]]'' when he learned his crew was doing this in a first-contact situation, but he was killed in the process of ordering the gun ports closed. A bloody war immediately followed.
** The Minbari apparently covered this particular detail up (or, for the most part, didn't realize what the problem ''was''), since the same thing almost happens years later when a Minbari warship visits the titular station. Thankfully, the Minbari ambassador's intervention prevents the misunderstanding from sparking another conflict. [[spoiler:Given that she was present for the ''first'' incident, it's no surprise she recognizes the problem, and moves to prevent further issues the moment she realizes it might come into play.]]

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* In ''Series/BabylonFive'', the Minbari routinely salute other Minbari vessels by approaching with gunports open as a sign of respect. When they encounter a human vessel for the first time, they attempt to do the same as a friendly gesture. The Earth ship, with it's sensors on the fritz because of a Minbari scan and Minbari stealth technology can't tell whether the weapons are powered, and its trigger-happy captain utterly misinterpreting this maneuver and convinced the larger alien vessel is about to attack, opens fire first. The Minbari leader Dukhat was ''[[SubvertedTrope enraged]]'' when he learned his crew was doing this in a first-contact situation, but he was killed in the process of ordering the gun ports closed. A bloody war immediately followed.
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The Minbari apparently covered this particular detail up (or, for the most part, didn't realize what the problem ''was''), since the same thing almost happens years later when a Minbari warship visits the titular station. Thankfully, the Minbari ambassador's intervention prevents the misunderstanding from sparking another conflict. [[spoiler:Given that she was present for the ''first'' incident, it's no surprise she recognizes the problem, and moves to prevent further issues the moment she realizes it might come into play.]]



** In the ''Series/DeepSpaceNine'' episode "Captive Pursuit", the human-like aliens pursuing Tosk are surprised when Sisko considers the custom - hunting a sentient being for sport - immoral and wrong. In fact, Tosk himself seems to see nothing wrong with it, having been trained from birth for such a purpose. They seem to have taken a page out of the Hitchhiker's Guide and gotten around the whole ethical dilemma by using a genetically engineered race that wanted to be hunted (WordOfGod is that the Dominion made the Tosks for them).
* On ''{{Series/Seinfeld}}'' Elaine's dancing is truly horrible, but no-one can ever bring themselves to tell her... [[BrutalHonesty until Kramer sees her dance, that is.]]

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** In the ''Series/DeepSpaceNine'' episode "Captive Pursuit", the human-like aliens pursuing Tosk are surprised when Sisko considers the custom - hunting a sentient being for sport - -- immoral and wrong. In fact, Tosk himself seems to see nothing wrong with it, having been trained from birth for such a purpose. They seem to have taken a page out of the Hitchhiker's Guide and gotten around the whole ethical dilemma by using a genetically engineered race that wanted to be hunted (WordOfGod is that the Dominion made the Tosks for them).
* On ''{{Series/Seinfeld}}'' ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'':
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Elaine's dancing is truly horrible, but no-one can ever bring themselves to tell her... [[BrutalHonesty until Kramer sees her dance, that is.]]



* We can only assume that the piggies of ''Literature/SpeakerForTheDead'' had never tried to disembowel another species before, or else they might have some idea why the humans objected.
** Justified, between when the practice started and when the humans showed up, no other sentient species ''existed'' on their planet -- in fact, due to a pandemic virus-like organism, there were only six species of ''any'' kind.

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* We can only assume that the piggies of ''Literature/SpeakerForTheDead'' had never tried to disembowel another species before, or else they might have some idea why the humans objected.
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objected. Justified, between when the practice started and when the humans showed up, no other sentient species ''existed'' on their planet -- in fact, due to a pandemic virus-like organism, there were only six species of ''any'' kind.



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* ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}'': One guy tried using this line and ObfuscatingStupidity in an attempt to pull a fast one on Dilbert. [[http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1999-08-08/ Dilbert's response is priceless.]]
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* ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'': Dr Halsey's interrogator calls out on Halsey's methods of creating the Spartan-[=II=]s and the reason they were really made, calling them cruel. Halsey reminds him that her Spartans are the reason humanity survived, and that no one complained before.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'': ''VideoGame/Halo4'': Dr Halsey's interrogator calls out on Halsey's methods of creating the Spartan-[=II=]s and the reason they were really made, calling them cruel. Halsey reminds him that her Spartans are the reason humanity survived, and that no one complained before.



''(he walks up to the door and knocks; Homer answers it, and Apu walks slowly towards him, arms outstretched, an angry scowl on his features; Homer walks backwards, and screams in fright)''\\

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''(he ''[he walks up to the door and knocks; Homer answers it, and Apu walks slowly towards him, arms outstretched, an angry scowl on his features; Homer walks backwards, and screams in fright)''\\fright]''\\



-->''(Stan grabs the gun; various reactions of gasping and other comments from the crowd)''\\

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-->''(Stan -->''[Stan grabs the gun; various reactions of gasping and other comments from the crowd)''\\crowd]''\\



''(Stan runs away with his lawyer as a hostage)''\\
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''(Stan ''[Stan runs away with his lawyer as a hostage)''\\
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hostage]''\\
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* Every political or cultural revolution, ever. The people rise up against an inherent inequity in law or society that everyone just simply accepted -- or at least never really thought about -- until now.
** Not just revolutions; most political, social and many religious movements and theories tend to run against this. In many countries law is established by precedent and thus "nobody ever complained" is actually a strong argument that a certain practice is perfectly legal and has to be protected. This led some movements to try and establish a largely or entirely mythical even older precedent - e. g. the "ancient English freedoms" brought up by the Parliamentarian side in the run-up to the English Civil War.
** This will often be brought up explicitly by those defending the old system. "You aren't fighting for equality, you're infringing our established right to persecute you."
* Every single time there's an attempt to remove a religious idol erected on public property, or put an end to some other special privilege one religion has gotten used to having over everyone else, there will '''always''' be a flood of religious apologists insisting that [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections whatever illegal thing they've been doing MUST be okay]], because ''NobodyEverComplainedBefore''. Even when the same violation actually HAS been reported before, perhaps many times.

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* Every political or cultural revolution, ever. The people rise up against an inherent inequity in law or society that everyone just simply accepted -- or at least never really thought about -- until now.
**
now. Not just revolutions; most political, social and many religious movements and theories tend to run against this. In many countries law is established by precedent and thus "nobody ever complained" is actually a strong argument that a certain practice is perfectly legal and has to be protected. This led some movements to try and establish a largely or entirely mythical even older precedent - -- e. g. the "ancient English freedoms" brought up by the Parliamentarian side in the run-up to the English Civil War. \n** This will often be brought up explicitly by those defending the old system. "You aren't fighting for equality, you're infringing our established right to persecute you."
* Every single time there's an attempt to remove a religious idol erected on public property, or put an end to some other special privilege one religion has gotten used to having over everyone else, there will '''always''' be a flood of religious apologists insisting that [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections whatever illegal thing they've been doing MUST be okay]], because ''NobodyEverComplainedBefore''.''nobody ever complained before''. Even when the same violation actually HAS been reported before, perhaps many times.



* The Barbary Wars of the early 1800s. European powers preferred to simply buy off the Barbary Corsairs rather than risk a disruptive war at sea - there were even dedicated line items in some nations' annual budgets setting aside a portion of their GDP as tribute - to the point where paying ransoms to the Corsairs was just an accepted cost of doing business in the Mediterranean Sea. When the Corsairs presented their tribute demands to the fledging United States, newly-elected President UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson - partly out of general principle, and partly because the young nation simply couldn't afford such an expenditure - basically said, "Yeah...no, we're not gonna do that" and set about building a navy instead. The United States was the first nation in recent memory to actually oppose the whole institutionalized piracy arrangement that kept the Barbary States wealthy and powerful. And it worked: After a rough start, the United States Navy defeated the Corsairs in 1805 (the origin of "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Corps Hymn), and then again, decisively in 1815. After that, the British and French felt emboldened enough to refuse paying tribute as well; after all, if one weak, upstart, faraway nation could successfully oppose the Corsairs, then what excuse did they have? Ultimately they conquered and colonized North Africa. All it took was one nation to complain (very loudly, with cannons), and the whole thing fell down.
* In 2016, the US government announced that women who reached age 18 would be required to register with the Selective Service System -- the so-called "military draft" -- just like American men had been required to do since 1917. Almost immediately, the National Organization for Women began a campaign to completely end the draft because "no one should be forced to fight and die unless they volunteer." It goes without saying that many jokes were made about the convenient timing of the organization's protest, and the fact that [[{{Hypocrite}} when it was just men being drafted, the organization never really gave a damn about the draft]].

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* The Barbary Wars of the early 1800s. European powers preferred to simply buy off the Barbary Corsairs rather than risk a disruptive war at sea - -- there were even dedicated line items in some nations' annual budgets setting aside a portion of their GDP as tribute - -- to the point where paying ransoms to the Corsairs was just an accepted cost of doing business in the Mediterranean Sea. When the Corsairs presented their tribute demands to the fledging United States, newly-elected President UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson - -- partly out of general principle, and partly because the young nation simply couldn't afford such an expenditure - -- basically said, "Yeah..."Yeah... no, we're not gonna do that" and set about building a navy instead. The United States was the first nation in recent memory to actually oppose the whole institutionalized piracy arrangement that kept the Barbary States wealthy and powerful. And it worked: After a rough start, the United States Navy defeated the Corsairs in 1805 (the origin of "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Corps Hymn), and then again, decisively in 1815. After that, the British and French felt emboldened enough to refuse paying tribute as well; after all, if one weak, upstart, faraway nation could successfully oppose the Corsairs, then what excuse did they have? Ultimately they conquered and colonized North Africa. All it took was one nation to complain (very loudly, with cannons), and the whole thing fell down.
* In 2016, the US government announced that women who reached age 18 would be required to register with the Selective Service System -- the so-called "military draft" -- just like American men had been required to do since 1917. Almost immediately, the National Organization for Women began a campaign to completely end the draft because "no one "no-one should be forced to fight and die unless they volunteer." It goes without saying that many jokes were made about the convenient timing of the organization's protest, and the fact that [[{{Hypocrite}} when it was just men being drafted, the organization never really gave a damn about the draft]].
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18th Oct '16 6:57:25 PM nombretomado
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* In an episode of ''{{Friends}}'', Monica offers Chandler a massage, but it turns out to be very painful. He tells her this and it turns out that everyone else was making lame excuses about it and Chandler was the only one who was honest to her.

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* In an episode of ''{{Friends}}'', ''Series/{{Friends}}'', Monica offers Chandler a massage, but it turns out to be very painful. He tells her this and it turns out that everyone else was making lame excuses about it and Chandler was the only one who was honest to her.
1st Sep '16 10:06:35 AM Jhamin
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* The Barbary Wars of the early 1800s. European powers preferred to simply buy off the Barbary Corsairs rather than risk a disruptive war at sea - there were even dedicated line items in some nations' annual budgets setting aside a portion of their GDP as tribute - to the point where paying ransoms to the Corsairs was just an accepted cost of doing business in the Mediterranean Sea. When the Corsairs presented their tribute demands to the fledging United States, newly-elected President UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson - partly out of general principle, and partly because the young nation simply couldn't afford such an expenditure - basically said, "Yeah...no, we're not gonna do that" and set about building a navy instead. The United States was the first nation in recent memory to actually oppose the whole institutionalized piracy arrangement that kept the Barbary States wealthy and powerful. And it worked: After a rough start, the United States Navy defeated the Corsairs in 1805, and then again, decisively in 1815. After that, the British and French felt emboldened enough to refuse paying tribute as well; after all, if one weak, upstart, faraway nation could successfully oppose the Corsairs, then what excuse did they have? Ultimately they conquered and colonized North Africa. All it took was one nation to complain (very loudly, with cannons), and the whole thing fell down.

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* The Barbary Wars of the early 1800s. European powers preferred to simply buy off the Barbary Corsairs rather than risk a disruptive war at sea - there were even dedicated line items in some nations' annual budgets setting aside a portion of their GDP as tribute - to the point where paying ransoms to the Corsairs was just an accepted cost of doing business in the Mediterranean Sea. When the Corsairs presented their tribute demands to the fledging United States, newly-elected President UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson - partly out of general principle, and partly because the young nation simply couldn't afford such an expenditure - basically said, "Yeah...no, we're not gonna do that" and set about building a navy instead. The United States was the first nation in recent memory to actually oppose the whole institutionalized piracy arrangement that kept the Barbary States wealthy and powerful. And it worked: After a rough start, the United States Navy defeated the Corsairs in 1805, 1805 (the origin of "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Corps Hymn), and then again, decisively in 1815. After that, the British and French felt emboldened enough to refuse paying tribute as well; after all, if one weak, upstart, faraway nation could successfully oppose the Corsairs, then what excuse did they have? Ultimately they conquered and colonized North Africa. All it took was one nation to complain (very loudly, with cannons), and the whole thing fell down.
25th Aug '16 8:54:41 PM BigJaredMonkey
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* In 2016, the US government announced that women who reached age 18 would be required to register with the Selective Service System -- the so-called "military draft" -- just like American men had been required to do since 1917. Almost immediately, the National Organization for Women began a campaign to completely end the draft because "no one should be forced to fight and die unless they volunteer." It goes without saying that many jokes were made about the convenient timing of the organization's protest, and the fact that [[{{Hypocrite}} when it was just men being drafted, the organization never really gave a damn about the draft]].
16th Aug '16 9:34:09 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'': Dr Halsey's interrogator calls out on Halsey's methods of creating the Spartan [=II=]s and the reason they were really made, calling them cruel. Halsey defended that her Spartans are the reason humanity survived, and no one complained before.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'': Dr Halsey's interrogator calls out on Halsey's methods of creating the Spartan [=II=]s Spartan-[=II=]s and the reason they were really made, calling them cruel. Halsey defended reminds him that her Spartans are the reason humanity survived, and that no one complained before.
13th Aug '16 12:49:19 AM Hadjorim
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** [[BeliefMakesYouStupid They almost never understand]] the [[InsaneTrollLogic gross irrationality]] of claiming that NobodyEverComplainedBefore while [[AppealToForce threatening to murder whoever complained!]] Those few who do realize how ridiculous it is to cite a lack of complaint as justification when any complaint is met with violence are usually smart enough not to defend religious crimes in the first place.
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