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* It's implied in ''Manga/UQHolder'' (a series where magic spells can literally be bought as phone apps) that [[spoiler: Karin is actually a GenderFlip of Judas and was blessed with immortality by Jesus so she would eventually be able to repent for her betrayal.]]

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* It's implied in ''Manga/UQHolder'' (a series where magic spells can literally be bought as phone apps) that [[spoiler: Karin is actually a GenderFlip of Judas and was blessed with immortality by Jesus so she would eventually be able to repent for her betrayal.]]
betrayal]].



* In Katherine Kurtz's ''Literature/{{Deryni}}'' novels there are factions within the Church that consider Deryni talents like [[HealingHands healing]] to be the work of the devil because they imitate Jesus' miracles. On more than one occasion this leads to anti-Deryni pogroms. The obvious question of whether Jesus was simply one of them using the same powers is never ''directly'' referenced, but obliquely underlies much of the story (those Deryni inclined to religion tend to see their powers as divine gifts in any case.)
* The [[KingArthur Arthurian]] fantasy novel ''The Forever King'' has a DoubleSubversion: The plot revolves around the history of the Grail, which traditionally gained its magical powers from an encounter with Jesus, but in this telling existed and had its powers -- including the power to defeat death -- long before he appeared on the scene. Late in the book, there's a flashback to the events surrounding Jesus' death and resurrection, from the point of view of a character who knows about the Grail; he initially assumes (rather smugly) that Jesus was just an ordinary man brought back to life by the Grail, but then is surprised and disturbed by the discovery that it couldn't have been the Grail, and so therefore must have been something else he doesn't understand, possibly even a genuine act of God.

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* In Katherine Kurtz's ''Literature/{{Deryni}}'' novels there are factions within the Church that consider Deryni talents like [[HealingHands healing]] {{healing|Hands}} to be the work of the devil because they imitate Jesus' miracles. On more than one occasion this leads to anti-Deryni pogroms. The obvious question of whether Jesus was simply one of them using the same powers is never ''directly'' referenced, but obliquely underlies much of the story (those Deryni inclined to religion tend to see their powers as divine gifts in any case.)
* The [[KingArthur [[Myth/KingArthur Arthurian]] fantasy novel ''The Forever King'' has a DoubleSubversion: The plot revolves around the history of the Grail, which traditionally gained its magical powers from an encounter with Jesus, but in this telling existed and had its powers -- including the power to defeat death -- long before he appeared on the scene. Late in the book, there's a flashback to the events surrounding Jesus' death and resurrection, from the point of view of a character who knows about the Grail; he initially assumes (rather smugly) that Jesus was just an ordinary man brought back to life by the Grail, but then is surprised and disturbed by the discovery that it couldn't have been the Grail, and so therefore must have been something else he doesn't understand, possibly even a genuine act of God.



* The ''{{Nightside}}'' books and other series by Simon R. Green always make a point of saying that "only one man could ever bring the dead back to life" ([[spoiler:and the resurrected Judas explicitly identifies Christ as that man]]) - completely ignoring that in the Bible, Elijah and Elisha could raise the dead as well, and some mediaeval saints were also said to have been capable of this. (Undead beings don't count.)

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* The ''{{Nightside}}'' ''Literature/{{Nightside}}'' books and other series by Simon R. Green always make a point of saying that "only one man could ever bring the dead back to life" ([[spoiler:and the resurrected Judas explicitly identifies Christ as that man]]) - completely ignoring that in the Bible, Elijah and Elisha could raise the dead as well, and some mediaeval saints were also said to have been capable of this. (Undead beings don't count.)



* {{Discussed}} in ''Literature/{{Everworld}},'' where devoutly Catholic April is TrappedInAnotherWorld where {{Physical God}}s from mythology walk around and scheme against each other. At one point she bitterly comments that these beings don't deserve to be called gods, even as she later goes through a crisis of faith, wondering if she trusts in them more than the Christian {{God}}. She also refuses to sacrifice to the Orisha who pester them on their trip through [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Everworld-Africa]]. One of her companions, Jalil, is [[FlatEarthAtheist an atheist]] who similarly refuses to worship Everworld's gods, but at one point argues with April, apparently seeing her beliefs as hypocritical.

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* {{Discussed}} {{Discussed|Trope}} in ''Literature/{{Everworld}},'' where devoutly Catholic April is TrappedInAnotherWorld where {{Physical God}}s from mythology walk around and scheme against each other. At one point she bitterly comments that these beings don't deserve to be called gods, even as she later goes through a crisis of faith, wondering if she trusts in them more than the Christian {{God}}. She also refuses to sacrifice to the Orisha who pester them on their trip through [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Everworld-Africa]]. One of her companions, Jalil, is [[FlatEarthAtheist an atheist]] who similarly refuses to worship Everworld's gods, but at one point argues with April, apparently seeing her beliefs as hypocritical.






--> '''Mitchell''': Actually, I was thinking of KingArthur.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Super Best Friends" Jesus loses out in a magic contest with David Blaine. Of course in ''South Park'', Jesus really only has the ability to resurrect himself and super-carpentry. He's still most certainly the son of God in South Park, though, even if Christianity isn't portrayed as the "correct" religion (those would be Mormonism and Buddhism - God himself is a Buddhist and only Mormons get into heaven... likely so they wouldn't spoil [[AHellOfATime Hell]] for everybody).

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Super Best Friends" Jesus loses out in a magic contest with David Blaine. Of course in ''South Park'', Jesus really only has the ability to resurrect himself and super-carpentry. He's still most certainly the son of God in South Park, ''South Park'', though, even if Christianity isn't portrayed as the "correct" religion (those would be Mormonism and Buddhism - God himself is a Buddhist and only Mormons get into heaven... likely so they wouldn't spoil [[AHellOfATime Hell]] for everybody).



* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' Averted, given that the latest series has [[spoiler: most of the characters and villains getting their Stand Ability from Jesus's dismembered remains. It turns out that the Stand abilities that come with the corpse parts are the result of Jesus's "wizard" powers remaining spiritually in the corpse parts. The powers will manifest differently in everyone who gets them, but once one person gets them all, they become impregnated with the corpse's head via Virgin Mary method, and will become a vessel for Jesus to be reformed inside thier body and eventually make their way outside the vessel in a rather gruesome way. This, of course, will kill the vessel, due to the damage that forcing itself out the body will do. Since the corpse parts manifest as Stands to those who absorb them, it is a very subtle implication that Jesus had a Stand.]]

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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'': Averted, given that the latest series has [[spoiler: most of the characters and villains getting their Stand Ability from Jesus's dismembered remains. It turns out that the Stand abilities that come with the corpse parts are the result of Jesus's "wizard" powers remaining spiritually in the corpse parts. The powers will manifest differently in everyone who gets them, but once one person gets them all, they become impregnated with the corpse's head via Virgin Mary method, and will become a vessel for Jesus to be reformed inside thier body and eventually make their way outside the vessel in a rather gruesome way. This, of course, will kill the vessel, due to the damage that forcing itself out the body will do. Since the corpse parts manifest as Stands to those who absorb them, it is a very subtle implication that Jesus had a Stand.]]Stand]].



* Averted by a controversial ''Comicbook/SwampThing'' story by Rick Veitch... so controversial that Creator/DCComics refused to publish it. The story would have shown Jesus as a white magician.
** They ''did'' go so far as to publish a ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'' story which implied that [[spoiler: Jesus was fathered by the archangel Gabriel through an act of rape]], however. Despite this being an even ''more'' offensive concept from a Christian perspective.

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* Averted by a controversial ''Comicbook/SwampThing'' story by Rick Veitch... so controversial that Creator/DCComics refused to publish it. The story would have shown Jesus as a white magician.
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magician. They ''did'' go so far as to publish a ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'' story which implied that [[spoiler: Jesus was fathered by the archangel Gabriel through an act of rape]], however. Despite this being an even ''more'' offensive concept from a Christian perspective.



* Creator/IsaacAsimov seems to avert this trope quite a bit. In [[spoiler: The Last Question, for example, the ending shows AC becoming the equivalent of God, reversing heat-death, and creating a new universe.]]

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* Creator/IsaacAsimov seems to avert this trope quite a bit. In [[spoiler: The Last Question, for example, the ending shows AC becoming the equivalent of God, reversing heat-death, and creating a new universe.]]universe]].



** Other sources state that he ''co-opted'' "certain ancient myths": by performing Jesus-like miracles, he passed himself off as Jesus; by having defeated something which might be the C'tan Void Dragon, that shows he was the basis of Saint George; etc. The fact that he was militantly anti-religious ([[GodNeedsPrayerBadly ostensibly to deny the Chaos Gods worshippers]], but maybe so he wouldn't have any competition) could point to the fact that he was trying to discredit whatever religions still had some foothold on Earth before he expanded his reach to the stars.

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** Other sources state that he ''co-opted'' "certain ancient myths": by performing Jesus-like miracles, he passed himself off as Jesus; by having defeated something which might be the C'tan Void Dragon, that shows he was the basis of Saint George; etc. The fact that he was militantly anti-religious ([[GodNeedsPrayerBadly ([[GodsNeedPrayerBadly ostensibly to deny the Chaos Gods worshippers]], but maybe so he wouldn't have any competition) could point to the fact that he was trying to discredit whatever religions still had some foothold on Earth before he expanded his reach to the stars.



* In ''TabletopGame/{{Nephilim}}'', Jesus is stated to have been a Nephilim (an ElementalEmbodiment from {{Atlantis}}) that reincarnated in a human embryo as part of a {{plan}} by the [[TarotMotifs Fool]] [[AncientConspiracy Arcanum]], which granted him enlightenment and mystical knowledge far in excess of his peers. He's listed as the reason why the Fool Arcanum were all hunted down and killed by the other conspiracies.

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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Nephilim}}'', Jesus is stated to have been a Nephilim (an ElementalEmbodiment from {{Atlantis}}) that reincarnated in a human embryo as part of a {{plan}} ThePlan by the [[TarotMotifs Fool]] [[AncientConspiracy Arcanum]], which granted him enlightenment and mystical knowledge far in excess of his peers. He's listed as the reason why the Fool Arcanum were all hunted down and killed by the other conspiracies.



* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening'' has some speculation as to whether Jesus was a mage who surpassed the normal limits of magical power. Tamers of the Cave, a group that explores ThePowerOfTheVoid to try to transcend the self and engineer their own HeroicSacrifice, particularly like to claim that Jesus was a member. Some of those hypothesize that his sacrifice was a failed attempt to help all {{muggles}} Awaken to magic.

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* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening'' has some speculation as to whether Jesus was a mage who surpassed the normal limits of magical power. Tamers of the Cave, a group that explores ThePowerOfTheVoid the PowerOfTheVoid to try to transcend the self and engineer their own HeroicSacrifice, particularly like to claim that Jesus was a member. Some of those hypothesize that his sacrifice was a failed attempt to help all {{muggles}} Awaken to magic.



* In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI'' the Templar researcher speculates that [[spoiler:the Piece of Eden, along other artifacts like it,]] was the effector behind such miracles as the Parting of the Red Sea, the success of the Trojan Horse, the miracles surrounding 'the Christ-figure' and the plagues of Egypt, among other things.
** The [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII sequel]] reveals [[spoiler:that all gods in human mythologies were actually a {{Precursor}} race and were the creators of these artifacts.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI'' the Templar researcher speculates that [[spoiler:the Piece of Eden, along other artifacts like it,]] was the effector behind such miracles as the Parting of the Red Sea, the success of the Trojan Horse, the miracles surrounding 'the Christ-figure' and the plagues of Egypt, among other things.
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things. The [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII sequel]] reveals [[spoiler:that all gods in human mythologies were actually a {{Precursor}} {{Precursor|s}} race and were the creators of these artifacts.]]artifacts]].



** Confusing things is the fact that if you access his DummiedOut job description, it says that [[spoiler:he is an "Agitator who misleads people with lies and masks. Don't underestimate him, although he cannot match the power of a genuine saint." Which implies that there ''are'' genuine saints, even though as far as we're shown the setting has a DevilButNoGod.]]

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** Confusing things is the fact that if you access his DummiedOut job description, it says that [[spoiler:he is an "Agitator who misleads people with lies and masks. Don't underestimate him, although he cannot match the power of a genuine saint." Which implies that there ''are'' genuine saints, even though as far as we're shown the setting has a DevilButNoGod.]] DevilButNoGod]].



* This is a running gag in the WoW community. Shamans can self-resurrect, they go around healing people, they walk on water, etc. Is it any wonder WoW players frequently joke that "Jesus was a Shammie!"?

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* This is a running gag in the WoW ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' community. Shamans can self-resurrect, they go around healing people, they walk on water, etc. Is it any wonder WoW [=WoW=] players frequently joke that "Jesus was a Shammie!"?






* Averted in ''Webcomic/PlanescapeSurvivalGuide'', [[spoiler:when [[TheGrimReaper Jergal/The Nothing]] reveals to [[HaveYouSeenMyGod Aoskar/The Eldest]] that when he foresaw his death at the blades of The Lady of Pain, he attempted to preserve his existence by hiding a portion of his essence in a [[PhysicalGod physical avatar]] on the Firstworld, Earth, 2000 years ago. Said avatar was killed by the people of the Firstworld out of fear, but belief and reverence of him postmortem preserved Aoskar through [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve the power of Belief that keeps the Multiverse running as we know it]]. Making Jesus Aoskar's avatar - his powers coming from being the physical incarnation of a multi-planar Overgod - and [[{{God}} Jehovah God]] Aoskar himself.]]

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* Averted in ''Webcomic/PlanescapeSurvivalGuide'', [[spoiler:when [[TheGrimReaper Jergal/The Nothing]] reveals to [[HaveYouSeenMyGod Aoskar/The Eldest]] that when he foresaw his death at the blades of The Lady of Pain, he attempted to preserve his existence by hiding a portion of his essence in a [[PhysicalGod physical avatar]] on the Firstworld, Earth, 2000 years ago. Said avatar was killed by the people of the Firstworld out of fear, but belief and reverence of him postmortem preserved Aoskar through [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve the power of Belief that keeps the Multiverse running as we know it]]. Making Jesus Aoskar's avatar - his powers coming from being the physical incarnation of a multi-planar Overgod - and [[{{God}} Jehovah God]] Aoskar himself.]]himself]].



* In a 5th season episode of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', [[spoiler:the boys encounter an "anti christ", a very powerful being who was born of a mother who was impregnated by the demon who was possessing her. Considering Angels also possess people and that Castiel even states the Bible gets more wrong than it gets right...]]
** Supernatural also has a weird twist on this trope in the form of [[spoiler: ArchangelGabriel going into hiding as [[Myth/NorseMythology the Trickster god Loki]]. Since pagan gods still exist and have some form of power in this universe, even though much of the major mythology the show is based on is Christian, it's unknown if Loki was always Gabriel in hiding or if Gabriel took over the role from the original Loki somehow.]]

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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''
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In a 5th season episode of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', [[spoiler:the boys encounter an "anti christ", a very powerful being who was born of a mother who was impregnated by the demon who was possessing her. Considering Angels also possess people and that Castiel even states the Bible gets more wrong than it gets right...]]
right..]].
** Supernatural also The show has a weird twist on this trope in the form of [[spoiler: ArchangelGabriel going into hiding as [[Myth/NorseMythology the Trickster god Loki]]. Since pagan gods still exist and have some form of power in this universe, even though much of the major mythology the show is based on is Christian, it's unknown if Loki was always Gabriel in hiding or if Gabriel took over the role from the original Loki somehow.]]somehow]].



* Played with in ''{{Touhou}}'': On one hand, most characters don't know of Christianity (which makes sense in the setting) and ask questions such as "who is that?" when Jesus is brought up, though they actually don't seem to particularily care who he was. On the other hand, the one character who ''does'' talk about Christianity is a "[[TheHeretic Wicked]] [[HermitGuru Hermit]]" who dresses up as Santa Claus and leaves presents for children but also [[BadSanta steals valuable stuff from the places she vists]] as payment for said gifts. On top of that, said Hermit also considers the feats of Jesus completely unimpressive and thinks that [[BlasphemousPraise her student resurrecting from a 1,000 year long death is much grander]] than the resurrection "that prophet" pulled off a few measly days after his execution.

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* Played with in ''{{Touhou}}'': ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'': On one hand, most characters don't know of Christianity (which makes sense in the setting) and ask questions such as "who is that?" when Jesus is brought up, though they actually don't seem to particularily care who he was. On the other hand, the one character who ''does'' talk about Christianity is a "[[TheHeretic Wicked]] [[HermitGuru Hermit]]" who dresses up as Santa Claus and leaves presents for children but also [[BadSanta steals valuable stuff from the places she vists]] visits]] as payment for said gifts. On top of that, said Hermit also considers the feats of Jesus completely unimpressive and thinks that [[BlasphemousPraise her student resurrecting from a 1,000 year long death is much grander]] than the resurrection "that prophet" pulled off a few measly days after his execution.
18th Oct '16 7:28:33 PM Eagal
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** ComicBook/TheEternals only make things more complicated. Having been created by the Celestials at the dawn of humanity as a separate race rather than anything divine, they were worshiped as gods, and their names reflect this - Makkari (Mercury) and Thena (Athena) are examples, and at least one has been worshipped by the Incans as well. Except that there is ALSO a pantheon of Greek gods, who ''are'' divine. This all led to some confusion recently when Hercules was claimed to be one of the Eternals with false memories of the actual Hercules (turns out to have been a mistranslation on the part of an Eternal conversing with a Celestial).

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** ComicBook/TheEternals only make things more complicated. Having been created by the Celestials at the dawn of humanity as a separate race rather than anything divine, they were worshiped as gods, and their names reflect this - Makkari (Mercury) and Thena (Athena) are examples, and at least one has been worshipped by the Incans as well. Except that there is ALSO a pantheon of Greek gods, who ''are'' divine. This all led to some confusion recently when Hercules was claimed to be one of the Eternals with false memories of the actual Hercules (turns out to have been a mistranslation on the part of an Eternal conversing with a Celestial).
6th Oct '16 8:16:16 PM nombretomado
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* {{Discussed}} in ''{{Everworld}},'' where devoutly Catholic April is TrappedInAnotherWorld where {{Physical God}}s from mythology walk around and scheme against each other. At one point she bitterly comments that these beings don't deserve to be called gods, even as she later goes through a crisis of faith, wondering if she trusts in them more than the Christian {{God}}. She also refuses to sacrifice to the Orisha who pester them on their trip through [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Everworld-Africa]]. One of her companions, Jalil, is [[FlatEarthAtheist an atheist]] who similarly refuses to worship Everworld's gods, but at one point argues with April, apparently seeing her beliefs as hypocritical.

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* {{Discussed}} in ''{{Everworld}},'' ''Literature/{{Everworld}},'' where devoutly Catholic April is TrappedInAnotherWorld where {{Physical God}}s from mythology walk around and scheme against each other. At one point she bitterly comments that these beings don't deserve to be called gods, even as she later goes through a crisis of faith, wondering if she trusts in them more than the Christian {{God}}. She also refuses to sacrifice to the Orisha who pester them on their trip through [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Everworld-Africa]]. One of her companions, Jalil, is [[FlatEarthAtheist an atheist]] who similarly refuses to worship Everworld's gods, but at one point argues with April, apparently seeing her beliefs as hypocritical.
16th Sep '16 2:21:07 PM Skebaba
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*** On the other hand, it's not that unreasonable to assume that Andraste could have been a mage, but despised other mages who abused the non-mages, thus forming a rebellion against them.
13th Sep '16 3:08:25 PM intastiel
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* Played with in ''TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness''. Sometime around 30 AD, a group of [[TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade Malkavian]] grave robbers may or may not have pulled off a "prank" of epic proportions. Of course, this is deliberately left vague: very few take the suggestion at face value, and all those who would have hypothetically been present are insane anyway, so...
** A couple of notes on the Old World of Darkness: In Dark Ages: Vampire it was revealed that every vampire present in the Holy Land during the time Jesus was meant to be about mysteriously vanished. However Demon: The Fallen revealed in one sourcebook that Christianity was created by [[SatanIsGood Lucifer.]] If Jesus did exist he was empowered by Lucifer, not God (who had been [[HaveYouSeenMyGod absent for some time]]), or ''was'' Lucifer.



** ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' suggests that a group of [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Malkavian]] grave-robbers might have pulled off a "prank" of epic proportions sometime around 30 AD, but very few take the suggestion at face value, and everyone present at the time is certifiably insane anyway... However, ''Dark Ages: Vampire'' reveals that every vampire present in the Holy Land during Jesus' era mysteriously vanished, which raises some questions.



** This idea is further fleshed out in ''TabletopGame/DemonTheFallen'', where the "History" section of the book mentions the demons planning, plotting, or foreseeing the development of every faith on the planet except Christianity--"That one came out of nowhere."

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** This idea is further fleshed out in ''TabletopGame/DemonTheFallen'', where the "History" section of the book mentions the demons planning, plotting, or foreseeing the development of every faith on the planet except Christianity--"That one came out of nowhere."" One sourcebook reveals that Christianity was created by [[SatanIsGood Lucifer]]. If Jesus did exist he might well have been empowered by Lucifer, not God (who had been [[HaveYouSeenMyGod absent for some time]]), or ''been'' Lucifer.
13th Sep '16 3:03:59 PM intastiel
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* In ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'', the characters are mages who can bend reality to their will to do some really insane stuff (as in, they will literally go insane). There is even a sub-type of mage that draw their abilities from their belief in religion (Celestial Chorus), making them literally [[ReligionIsMagic religious mages]]. Even their poster character (depending on edition) is a Christian nun. However, there is not even the slightest insinuation that Jesus was a mage in any way, shape, or form. In fact, there's hardly any mention of Jesus at all, except for the occasional prayer by one of the Celestial Chorus to have lightning strike down the [[ItMakesSenseInContext cybernetic zombie wielding a light saber that can cut apart your soul.]]
** However, Mage operates on ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve, so religious figures could be genuine and powerful at the moment simply because people believe in them -- even if they aren't real, historically.
** More an aversion than the straight version of this trope. Basically every other [=oWoD=] setting references Christianity and Jesus quite frequently and speculates on his role in their slice of the supernatural world-- Mages cannot be arsed to bother with him, because they know the true nature of reality and become gods themselves if they dump enough XP into arete. It's not avoiding the issue to avoid controversy, it's an active assertion that Jesus, Mohammed et al are just another unimportant side effect of the sleepers being unable to understand what's actually going on.
** IIRC, one of the Tribebooks (Silent Striders) in the oWoD Werewolf: the Apocalypse game, speaks of the Strider's legends about Christ himself, stating that he warped the very nature of the Umbra around him--suggesting that whatever he was, he was the "real deal", and not just one of the supernatural types roaming about. This idea is further fleshed out in the oWoD game Demon: the Fallen, where the "History" section of the book mentions the demons planning, plotting, or forseeing the development of every faith on the planet except Christianity--"That one came out of nowhere."


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* In the ''TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness'':
** The world of ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'' operates on ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve; religious figures can be genuine and powerful in the moment simply because people believe in them, and the Celestial Chorus mage faction draws its abilities from [[ReligionIsMagic religious faith]]. One of the Chorus' iconic characters is even a Christian nun. There is some in-universe speculation as to the nature of Jesus and his role in the supernatural world, but mages usually don't bother much with it, since they know the true nature of reality and become nigh-godlike themselves with enough ''arete''. The general consensus is that Jesus, Mohammed, and so on are just another unimportant side effect of the {{Muggles}} being unable to understand what's actually going on.
** The Silent Striders in ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' have legends about Christ himself, stating that he warped the very nature of the Umbra around him--suggesting that whatever he was, he was the "real deal", and not just one of the supernatural types roaming about.
** This idea is further fleshed out in ''TabletopGame/DemonTheFallen'', where the "History" section of the book mentions the demons planning, plotting, or foreseeing the development of every faith on the planet except Christianity--"That one came out of nowhere."
* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening'' has some speculation as to whether Jesus was a mage who surpassed the normal limits of magical power. Tamers of the Cave, a group that explores ThePowerOfTheVoid to try to transcend the self and engineer their own HeroicSacrifice, particularly like to claim that Jesus was a member. Some of those hypothesize that his sacrifice was a failed attempt to help all {{muggles}} Awaken to magic.
11th Sep '16 7:41:21 PM PaulA
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* In Creator/OrsonScottCard's ''The Lost Gate'' it is speculated that, like the various Indo-European pantheons the gods of other cultures, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam are also wizards from other worlds.

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* In Creator/OrsonScottCard's ''The Lost Gate'' ''Literature/TheLostGate'' it is speculated that, like the various Indo-European pantheons the gods of other cultures, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam are also wizards from other worlds.
24th Aug '16 11:35:58 AM GlassRain
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* ''Webcomic/ButImACatPerson'' shows Jesus as an accomplished user of the same kind of magic that created the Beings. [[spoiler:His "resurrection" came about when, after his death, Mary Magdalene became the new Master of his Being, and ordered the Being to take over Jesus' identity.]]
13th Aug '16 7:20:09 PM Gamermaster
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* It's implied in ''Manga/UQHolder'' (a series where magic spells can literally be bought as phone apps) that [[spoiler: Karin is actually a GenderFlip of Judas and was blessed with immortality by Jesus so she would eventually be able to repent for her betrayal.]]
9th Jul '16 8:59:55 PM JUANDELACRUZ
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