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7th Jul '17 12:37:10 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Creator/RickRiordan features countless ancient deities in his stories, but repeatedly distinguishes between polytheistic gods and a monotheistic God. Riordan evidently considers the Big G too big and metaphysical to explore beyond "if God does exist, he's on a much higher plane of existence than the petty deities of ancient mythology."

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* Creator/RickRiordan features countless ancient deities in his stories, but repeatedly distinguishes between polytheistic gods and a monotheistic God. Riordan evidently considers the Big G too big and metaphysical to explore beyond "if God does exist, he's He's on a much higher plane of existence than the petty deities of ancient mythology."



** In ''Literature/TheKaneChronicles'' (also by Creator/RickRiordan) it is made very clear that Moses was actually a magician. On top of that, a comment from Bes in ''The Throne of Fire'' suggests that one of his miracles, the parting of the Red Sea, was something any magician from Ancient Egypt could've done. Although gods are manifestly real, AllMythsAreTrue, and Moses was apparently so powerful that he was the only outsider ever to best the House of Life, so it certainly can be said to work anyway.

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** In ''Literature/TheKaneChronicles'' (also by Creator/RickRiordan) it is made very clear establish that Moses was actually a magician. On top of that, a comment from Bes in ''The Throne of Fire'' suggests that one of his miracles, the parting of the Red Sea, was something any magician from Ancient Egypt could've done. Although gods are manifestly real, AllMythsAreTrue, and Moses was apparently so powerful that he was the only outsider ever to best the House of Life, so it certainly can be said to work anyway.
7th Jul '17 12:34:21 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Creator/RickRiordan features countless ancient deities in his stories, but repeatedly distinguishes between polytheistic gods and a monotheistic God. Riordan evidently considers the Big G too big and metaphysical to explore outside of "if God does exist, he's on a much higher plane of existence than the petty deities of ancient mythology."

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* Creator/RickRiordan features countless ancient deities in his stories, but repeatedly distinguishes between polytheistic gods and a monotheistic God. Riordan evidently considers the Big G too big and metaphysical to explore outside of beyond "if God does exist, he's on a much higher plane of existence than the petty deities of ancient mythology."
7th Jul '17 12:32:54 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Creator/RickRiordan:
** In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', Percy finds out that the Greek gods actually exist. He then proceeds to ask about the capital-G {{God}}. [[OurCentaursAreDifferent Chiron]] then dismisses that question as "metaphysical" and claims that the existence of the Greek gods is a "much smaller matter." However, later in the same book, when we see a corrupt televangelist in the Underworld:
-->"But if he's a preacher," [Percy] said, "and he believes in a different hell...."
-->Grover shrugged. "Who says he's seeing this place the way we're seeing it? Humans see what they want to see. You're very stubborn--er, persistent, that way."
:: : In addition, the story "The Son of Magic" from ''The Demigod Diaries'', shows Hecate, the goddess of magic, praying in a Christian Church. Though ''what'' exactly she was doing is never told, it's implied she is praying to God.
** In ''Literature/TheKaneChronicles'' (also by Creator/RickRiordan) it is made very clear that Moses was actually a magician. On top of that, a comment from Bes in ''The Throne of Fire'' suggests that one of his miracles, the parting of the Red Sea, was something any magician from Ancient Egypt could've done. Although gods are manifestly real, AllMythsAreTrue, and Moses was apparently so powerful that he was the only outsider ever to best the House of Life, so it certainly can be said to work anyway.
** ''Literature/MagnusChaseAndTheGodsOfAsgard'' takes a similar approach to ''Percy Jackson'' in distinguishing between mythical polytheistic deities and the monotheistic God. One of the {{Valkyries}} is a Muslim who takes a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism henotheistic]] approach to the Myth/{{Norse|Mythology}} deities, interpreting them not as actual gods (since UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} has only one God) but as powerful spirits akin to the Islamic concept of angels and jinn.


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* Creator/RickRiordan features countless ancient deities in his stories, but repeatedly distinguishes between polytheistic gods and a monotheistic God. Riordan evidently considers the Big G too big and metaphysical to explore outside of "if God does exist, he's on a much higher plane of existence than the petty deities of ancient mythology."
** In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', Percy finds out that the gods of Myth/ClassicalMythology actually exist. He then proceeds to ask about the capital-G {{God}}. [[OurCentaursAreDifferent Chiron]] then dismisses that question as "metaphysical" and claims that the existence of the Greek gods is a "much smaller matter." However, later in the same book, when we see a corrupt televangelist in the Underworld:
-->"But if he's a preacher," [Percy] said, "and he believes in a different hell...."
-->Grover shrugged. "Who says he's seeing this place the way we're seeing it? Humans see what they want to see. You're very stubborn--er, persistent, that way."
:: : In addition, the story "The Son of Magic" from ''The Demigod Diaries'', shows Hecate, the goddess of magic, praying in a Christian Church. Though ''what'' exactly she was doing is never told, it's implied she is praying to God.
** In ''Literature/TheKaneChronicles'' (also by Creator/RickRiordan) it is made very clear that Moses was actually a magician. On top of that, a comment from Bes in ''The Throne of Fire'' suggests that one of his miracles, the parting of the Red Sea, was something any magician from Ancient Egypt could've done. Although gods are manifestly real, AllMythsAreTrue, and Moses was apparently so powerful that he was the only outsider ever to best the House of Life, so it certainly can be said to work anyway.
** ''Literature/MagnusChaseAndTheGodsOfAsgard'' features a Muslim {{Valkyrie|s}} who takes a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism henotheistic]] approach to the Myth/{{Norse|Mythology}} deities, interpreting them not as actual gods (since UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} has only one God) but as powerful spirits akin to the Islamic concept of angels and jinn.
7th Jul '17 12:22:20 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', Percy finds out that the Greek gods actually exist. He then proceeds to ask about the capital-G {{God}}. [[OurCentaursAreDifferent Chiron]] then dismisses that question as "metaphysical" and claims that the existence of the Greek gods is a "much smaller matter." However, later in the same book, when we see a corrupt televangelist in the Underworld:

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* Creator/RickRiordan:
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In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', Percy finds out that the Greek gods actually exist. He then proceeds to ask about the capital-G {{God}}. [[OurCentaursAreDifferent Chiron]] then dismisses that question as "metaphysical" and claims that the existence of the Greek gods is a "much smaller matter." However, later in the same book, when we see a corrupt televangelist in the Underworld:



** In ''Literature/TheKaneChronicles'' (also by Creator/RickRiordan) it is made very clear that Moses was actually a magician. On top of that, a comment from Bes in ''The Throne of Fire'' suggests that one of his miracles, the parting of the Red Sea, was something any magician from Ancient Egypt could've done.
*** Although gods are manifestly real, AllMythsAreTrue, and Moses was apparently a badass enough wizard that he's the only outsider ever to best the House of Life, so it certainly can be said to work anyway.
** In addition, the story "The Son of Magic" from ''The Demigod Diaries'', shows Hecate, the goddess of magic, praying in a Christian Church. Though ''what'' exactly she was doing is never told, it's implied she is praying to God.

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:: : In addition, the story "The Son of Magic" from ''The Demigod Diaries'', shows Hecate, the goddess of magic, praying in a Christian Church. Though ''what'' exactly she was doing is never told, it's implied she is praying to God.
** In ''Literature/TheKaneChronicles'' (also by Creator/RickRiordan) it is made very clear that Moses was actually a magician. On top of that, a comment from Bes in ''The Throne of Fire'' suggests that one of his miracles, the parting of the Red Sea, was something any magician from Ancient Egypt could've done.
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done. Although gods are manifestly real, AllMythsAreTrue, and Moses was apparently a badass enough wizard so powerful that he's he was the only outsider ever to best the House of Life, so it certainly can be said to work anyway.
** In addition, ''Literature/MagnusChaseAndTheGodsOfAsgard'' takes a similar approach to ''Percy Jackson'' in distinguishing between mythical polytheistic deities and the story "The Son monotheistic God. One of Magic" from ''The Demigod Diaries'', shows Hecate, the goddess {{Valkyries}} is a Muslim who takes a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism henotheistic]] approach to the Myth/{{Norse|Mythology}} deities, interpreting them not as actual gods (since UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} has only one God) but as powerful spirits akin to the Islamic concept of magic, praying in a Christian Church. Though ''what'' exactly she was doing is never told, it's implied she is praying to God.angels and jinn.
25th Jun '17 9:24:44 PM DustSnitch
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* ''Series/IronFist2017'': The resurrection the Hand provides allows people to revive from virtually any injury three days after they died. Nobody mentions that this is very similar to the story of {{Jesus}}. The Hand is implied to have existed a very long time too, maybe even two thousand years or more...

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* ''Series/IronFist2017'': The resurrection the Hand provides allows people to revive from virtually any injury three days after they died. Nobody mentions that this is very similar to the story of {{Jesus}}.UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}. The Hand is implied to have existed a very long time too, maybe even two thousand years or more...
22nd May '17 6:01:33 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/IronFist2017'': The resurrection the Hand provides allows people to revive from virtually any injury three days after they died. Nobody mentions that this is very similar to the story of {{Jesus}}. The Hand is implied to have existed a very long time too, maybe even two thousand years or more...
16th Apr '17 3:17:34 PM nombretomado
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** The SpaceWolves psyker-equivalents (Rune Priests) have very different powers from the other Imperials, being able to conjure lightning, ghostly wolves, and earthquakes. Leman Russ believed their power comes from Fenris and not the Warp, [[DoesNotLikeMagic making them acceptable to him,]] others are not so sure.

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** The SpaceWolves [[Literature/SpaceWolf Space Wolves]] psyker-equivalents (Rune Priests) have very different powers from the other Imperials, being able to conjure lightning, ghostly wolves, and earthquakes. Leman Russ believed their power comes from Fenris and not the Warp, [[DoesNotLikeMagic making them acceptable to him,]] others are not so sure.
1st Apr '17 9:23:29 PM DustSnitch
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* {{Double Subver|sion}}ted in Creator/TadWilliams' ''[[Literature/MemorySorrowAndThorn The Burning Man]]''. An old and embittered nobleman doubts whether the {{Jesus}} {{Expy}} Usires Aedon is a son of God - or just a [[HalfHumanHybrid half-sithi]], because presumably all his miracles could be performed by a strong [[TheFairFolk sithi]] magician. The nobleman contacts an ancient sithi to know the answer. [[spoiler: However, the sithi doesn't know - and points out that it doesn't really matter, because a half-sithi could be a son of God just as well as a human.]]

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* {{Double Subver|sion}}ted in Creator/TadWilliams' ''[[Literature/MemorySorrowAndThorn The Burning Man]]''. An old and embittered nobleman doubts whether the {{Jesus}} UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} {{Expy}} Usires Aedon is a son of God - or just a [[HalfHumanHybrid half-sithi]], because presumably all his miracles could be performed by a strong [[TheFairFolk sithi]] magician. The nobleman contacts an ancient sithi to know the answer. [[spoiler: However, the sithi doesn't know - and points out that it doesn't really matter, because a half-sithi could be a son of God just as well as a human.]]
1st Apr '17 9:23:29 PM DustSnitch
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28th Mar '17 7:37:32 PM DustSnitch
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Hrm, weren't there some other historical people who performed miraculous feats? People who ended up being worshipped? If you have these wizards running around turning lead into gold, who is to say that in this universe, {{Jesus}} wasn't just a cultist wizard conning people over by turning water into wine?

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Hrm, weren't there some other historical people who performed miraculous feats? People who ended up being worshipped? If you have these wizards running around turning lead into gold, who is to say that in this universe, {{Jesus}} UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} wasn't just a cultist wizard conning people over by turning water into wine?
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