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30th Oct '17 7:07:25 AM calumapplepie
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Minor sidebar for Science Fiction authors who ''want'' to violate conservation of energy: You'll want to look up [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem Noether's Theorem]], which says that for every differentiable symmetry of the action of a physical theory there is a corresponding conserved quantity. This basically means that if energy is not conserved, then the laws of physics must be changing over time. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy#Noether.27s_theoremSee See also Wikipedia's further coverage as this applies to conservation of energy.]]

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Minor sidebar for Science Fiction authors who ''want'' to violate conservation of energy: You'll want to look up [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem Noether's Theorem]], which says that for every differentiable symmetry of the action of a physical theory there is a corresponding conserved quantity. This basically means that if energy is not conserved, then the laws of physics must be changing over time. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy#Noether.27s_theoremSee See also Wikipedia's The Other Wiki's further coverage as this applies to conservation of energy.]]
16th Oct '17 1:35:51 PM MCanter89
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** He can release heat beams several dozen meters wide strong enough to ''vaporize'' entire ''rows'' of mountains. ''Vaporize''. And do this with zero preparation (except to [[CallingYourAttacks strike a pose and call out the attack]].) And then do it AGAIN immediately afterwards, pausing only to realize the first blast didn't take, with ''no'' recovery time.

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** He can release heat beams several dozen meters wide strong enough to ''vaporize'' entire ''rows'' of mountains. ''Vaporize''. And do this with zero preparation (except to [[CallingYourAttacks strike a pose and call out the attack]].) attack]]). And then do it AGAIN immediately afterwards, pausing only to realize the first blast didn't take, with ''no'' recovery time.



* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', the WeaselMascot specifically mentions that magic defies the laws of thermodynamics. [[spoiler: This is very important to him, as he's harvesting the magic power generated by Magical Girls mutating into reality-warping {{Eldritch Abomination}}s in order to stave off the heat death of the universe, even though he does not understand why this energy can violate thermodynamics in the first place.]]

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* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', the WeaselMascot specifically mentions that magic defies the laws of thermodynamics. [[spoiler: This [[spoiler:This is very important to him, as he's harvesting the magic power generated by Magical Girls mutating into reality-warping {{Eldritch Abomination}}s in order to stave off the heat death of the universe, even though he does not understand why this energy can violate thermodynamics in the first place.]]



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* Between the mothership, the ship reactors, and...well, everything... [[BellisariosMaxim don't think about]] where all the energy comes from or goes in ''Film/IndependenceDay''.
* Parodied in ''Film/GalaxyQuest'', when the crew has to land on a hostile planet to retrieve a "Beryllium Sphere", because it supposedly powers the ship, for reasons completely unexplained and unknown, except that it happened on the TV show. This is a direct parody of the Dilithium Crystal that somehow makes warp drive possible in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is there to "mediate" the matter-{{antimatter}} reaction and create a pair of tuned plasma streamers. This is only explained that way in official material ''outside'' of the show, which makes this AllThereInTheManual.

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* Between the mothership, the ship reactors, and... well, everything... [[BellisariosMaxim don't think about]] where all the energy comes from or goes in ''Film/IndependenceDay''.
* Parodied in ''Film/GalaxyQuest'', when the crew has to land on a hostile planet to retrieve a "Beryllium Sphere", because it supposedly powers the ship, for reasons completely unexplained and unknown, except that it happened on the TV show. This is a direct parody of the Dilithium Crystal that somehow makes warp drive possible in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is there to "mediate" the matter-{{antimatter}} matter–{{antimatter}} reaction and create a pair of tuned plasma streamers. This is only explained that way in official material ''outside'' of the show, which makes this AllThereInTheManual.



* In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' a 95 pound Steve Rogers is injected with 6 vials of Erskine's serum and a few minutes later emerges from the Vita-Ray infusion device as the 230 pound Captain America. Everyone who handles one of the serum vials acts like they only weigh a pound or so, so where did the other 130 pounds that Steve so rapidly put on come from?

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* In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' a 95 pound 95-pound Steve Rogers is injected with 6 vials of Erskine's serum and a few minutes later emerges from the Vita-Ray infusion device as the 230 pound 230-pound Captain America. Everyone who handles one of the serum vials acts like they only weigh a pound or so, so where did the other 130 pounds that Steve so rapidly put on come from?



* Moorcock's series ''The Dancers At The End Of Time'' averts it: one million years in the future the advanced technology of mankind has turned the remaining members of our species into undying {{Reality Warp|er}}ing {{Physical God}}s. Except that this technology cost so much energy that the Degenerate Era (an era that should occur 100 ''trillion'' years from now) has already began: in other words, by achieving godhood, mankind has divided by ''one hundred million'' the lifetime of the universe. [[spoiler:of course, since it happens in Moorcock's Multiverse, one man eventually realizes that with an infinity of universes, there is an endless pool of energy to draw from, which allows the dancers to flip one off at Thermodynamics by the end of the story.]]

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* Moorcock's series ''The Dancers At The End Of Time'' averts it: one million years in the future the advanced technology of mankind has turned the remaining members of our species into undying {{Reality Warp|er}}ing {{Physical God}}s. Except that this technology cost so much energy that the Degenerate Era (an era that should occur 100 ''trillion'' years from now) has already began: begun: in other words, by achieving godhood, mankind has divided by ''one hundred million'' the lifetime of the universe. [[spoiler:of [[spoiler:Of course, since it happens in Moorcock's Multiverse, one man eventually realizes that with an infinity of universes, there is an endless pool of energy to draw from, which allows the dancers to flip one off at Thermodynamics by the end of the story.]]



** Even in this case, there's a CriticalResearchFailure. When preparing to enter the Hadarac, Eragon, as an experiment, attempts to convert a small quantity of sand to water. In this universe, a spell cannot be aborted once started unless specifically phrased to allow that. The calculations based upon the packing fraction curve and determined that the energy required to turn 30 grams of sand (determined by the mention of a "thimblefull" of water as the final product) into water would require more than 300 times the daily intake of energy in a 3000-calorie diet (2000 per day is typical - it's increased here because of Eragon's strenuous lifestyle at the time). Even Saphira couldn't have provided that much energy. He should have died then and there.

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** Even in this case, there's a CriticalResearchFailure. When preparing to enter the Hadarac, Eragon, as an experiment, attempts to convert a small quantity of sand to water. In this universe, a spell cannot be aborted once started unless specifically phrased to allow that. The calculations based upon the packing fraction curve and determined that the energy required to turn 30 grams of sand (determined by the mention of a "thimblefull" of water as the final product) into water would require more than 300 times the daily intake of energy in a 3000-calorie 3,000-calorie diet (2000 (2,000 per day is typical - it's increased here because of Eragon's strenuous lifestyle at the time). Even Saphira couldn't have provided that much energy. He should have died then and there.



* In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' several scientists preform an experiment that creates matter by using a mystical book. Another scientist, with no knowledge of the book, starts going over the numbers and points out they somehow got out more energy (and matter) than they put in. [[spoiler: It's later revealed to be coming from AnotherDimension.]]

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* In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' several scientists preform an experiment that creates matter by using a mystical book. Another scientist, with no knowledge of the book, starts going over the numbers and points out they somehow got out more energy (and matter) than they put in. [[spoiler: It's [[spoiler:It's later revealed to be coming from AnotherDimension.]]



* The ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' series pretty much stopped caring about conservation of mass when it comes to extreme transformation since ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4'', what with the Las Plagas, Urouboros and C-Virus. The latter two especially, where the former even when it takes in a couple of body piles manages to grow into a a towering tentacle monster that required a satellite laser to kill it, and the latter, where it is entirely possible for [[spoiler: Simmons to transform into a grotesque T-Rex as well as a creature that has a natural railgun that shoot bone fragments (said fragments are replaced through regeneration)]]
* The ''Franchise/MetalGear'' series is a major offender of this, with several instances throughout (despite the [[ShownTheirWork scientific accuracy regarding nuclear power, weapons, and decay]]). Expect [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid psychics controlling people]], [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater people generating an electrical current]], and [[VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance cyborgs blocking 300 tonne tanks]].

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* The ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' series pretty much stopped caring about conservation of mass when it comes to extreme transformation since ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4'', what with the Las Plagas, Urouboros and C-Virus. The latter two especially, where the former even when it takes in a couple of body piles manages to grow into a a towering tentacle monster that required a satellite laser to kill it, and the latter, where it is entirely possible for [[spoiler: Simmons [[spoiler:Simmons to transform into a grotesque T-Rex as well as a creature that has a natural railgun that shoot bone fragments (said fragments are replaced through regeneration)]]
regeneration)]].
* The ''Franchise/MetalGear'' series is a major offender of this, with several instances throughout (despite the [[ShownTheirWork scientific accuracy regarding nuclear power, weapons, and decay]]). Expect [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid psychics controlling people]], [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater people generating an electrical current]], and [[VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance cyborgs blocking 300 tonne 300-tonne tanks]].



* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' initially averted this with Grace, your average teenage everyday shapeshifter, who initially had a constant mass (and presumably variable density), no matter what form (even a squirrel?). Then, once the TF gun is used on her, she's surprised to discover that her mass now does change with her form. This is apparently possible because both the TF gun and her shapeshifting powers use a type of energy that can be classified as magic. In addition, the magic users burn up Ki energy, which they constantly recharge, and can burn caloric energy instead, or use the Ki energy as a boost for things that normally use caloric energy. Still a little odd, especially considering where the Ki energy comes from, how immortals fit in, etc., but [[MagicAIsMagicA explained well enough for this trope to be largely averted]]-- especially for comics, who get a free pass for some things like this.

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* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' initially averted this with Grace, your average teenage everyday shapeshifter, who initially had a constant mass (and presumably variable density), no matter what form (even a squirrel?). Then, once the TF gun is used on her, she's surprised to discover that her mass now does change with her form. This is apparently possible because both the TF gun and her shapeshifting powers use a type of energy that can be classified as magic. In addition, the magic users burn up Ki energy, which they constantly recharge, and can burn caloric energy instead, or use the Ki energy as a boost for things that normally use caloric energy. Still a little odd, especially considering where the Ki energy comes from, how immortals fit in, etc., but [[MagicAIsMagicA explained well enough for this trope to be largely averted]]-- averted]] -- especially for comics, who get a free pass for some things like this.



* Lots of theories abound about where all of Generation 1 Megatron's mass wanders off to when he transforms in ...well, ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers''.

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* Lots of theories abound about where all of Generation 1 Megatron's mass wanders off to when he transforms in ...in... well, ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers''.



** Chemistry - Catalysis alters the series of structural changes a chemical has to go through in a reaction, usually with the end effect of the reaction occurring at a lower temperature and, due to the nature of heat loss in most chemical equipment, requiring less heat input from the equipment.
** Power generation - The general engineering limit on power generation, known as the Carnot efficiency, is averted by the use of generators that don't rely on heat reservoirs, such as photovoltaic cells.

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** Chemistry - Catalysis alters the series of structural changes a chemical has to go through in a reaction, usually with the end effect of the reaction occurring at a lower temperature and, due to the nature of heat loss in most chemical equipment, requiring less heat input from the equipment.
** Power generation - The general engineering limit on power generation, known as the Carnot efficiency, is averted by the use of generators that don't rely on heat reservoirs, such as photovoltaic cells.



7th Oct '17 12:56:56 PM FGHIK
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* In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' several scientists preform an experiment that creates matter by using a mystical book. Another scientist, with no knowledge of the book, starts going over the numbers and points out they somehow got out more energy (and matter) than they put in.

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* In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' several scientists preform an experiment that creates matter by using a mystical book. Another scientist, with no knowledge of the book, starts going over the numbers and points out they somehow got out more energy (and matter) than they put in. [[spoiler: It's later revealed to be coming from AnotherDimension.]]
7th Oct '17 10:46:50 AM nombretomado
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** In the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime version]], because [[OvertookTheManga alchemy's origins hadn't yet been explained in the manga when it was made]], the power instead comes from an extra-dimensional energy source consisting of [[spoiler:''[[LifeEnergy the souls of the dead]]'', more specifically, the dead of ''our'' world; recent advances in medicine, agriculture and ''warfare'' have provided enough deaths for Amestris to develop alchemy]]. Alchemists are normally bound by Newton's laws, but they can start AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit if they [[spoiler:provide souls from their own world; as in ''commit a few genocides to create Philosopher's Stones'', like those convenient '''[[FantasyCounterpartCulture Ishballans]]''' [[TheWarOnTerror on the eastern border]]..]].

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** In the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime version]], because [[OvertookTheManga alchemy's origins hadn't yet been explained in the manga when it was made]], the power instead comes from an extra-dimensional energy source consisting of [[spoiler:''[[LifeEnergy the souls of the dead]]'', more specifically, the dead of ''our'' world; recent advances in medicine, agriculture and ''warfare'' have provided enough deaths for Amestris to develop alchemy]]. Alchemists are normally bound by Newton's laws, but they can start AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit JustForFun/AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit if they [[spoiler:provide souls from their own world; as in ''commit a few genocides to create Philosopher's Stones'', like those convenient '''[[FantasyCounterpartCulture Ishballans]]''' [[TheWarOnTerror on the eastern border]]..]].
22nd Sep '17 10:40:02 PM N1KF
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* Surprisingly, ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' somewhat averts this. Some of the characters are described as drawing power from stars inside them, which would provide more than enough energy for the things they do. There's still no explanation for how this works; and it's still played straight otherwise.

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* Surprisingly, ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' somewhat averts this. Some of the characters are described as drawing power from stars inside them, which would provide more than enough energy for the things they do. There's still no explanation for how this works; works, and it's still played straight otherwise.
5th Jun '17 12:25:55 PM WillKeaton
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* From the ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'', items labelled with the "[[http://www.scp-wiki.net/system:page-tags/tag/ectoentropic ectoentropic]]" tag specifically involve this trope as it means the object can generate matter and/or energy in manner that violates the laws of thermodynamics.

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* From the ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'', items labelled with the "[[http://www.[[http://www.scp-wiki.net/system:page-tags/tag/ectoentropic ectoentropic]]" "ectoentropic"]] tag specifically involve this trope as it means the object can generate matter and/or energy in manner that violates the laws of thermodynamics.
5th Jun '17 12:24:19 PM WillKeaton
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** The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe Zero-energy Universe theory]] suggests the energy of the Universe contained in matter is canceled by the energy present in the form of gravitation. Such an Universe could have been born from a quantum fluctuation in the middle of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo#Modern_physics nothingness]] and requires the Universe to be flat[[note]]With no measurable space curvature[[/note]], in line with current observations.

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** The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe Zero-energy Universe theory]] suggests the energy of the Universe contained in matter is canceled by the energy present in the form of gravitation. Such an Universe could have been born from a quantum fluctuation in the middle of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo#Modern_physics nothingness]] and requires the Universe to be flat[[note]]With no measurable space curvature[[/note]], curvature,[[/note]] in line with current observations.
5th Jun '17 12:23:44 PM WillKeaton
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** There is also the [[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Water_wheel#Dwarven_Water_Reactor Dwarven Water Reactor]], which is a power-producing perpetual motion machine that relies on using a pump to raise water to power multiple waterwheels (which are hooked up to the pump and whatever else needs power)

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** There is also the [[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Water_wheel#Dwarven_Water_Reactor Dwarven Water Reactor]], Reactor,]] which is a power-producing perpetual motion machine that relies on using a pump to raise water to power multiple waterwheels (which are hooked up to the pump and whatever else needs power)



* Surprisingly, Franchise/SuperMarioBros somewhat averts this. Some of the characters are described as drawing power from stars inside them, which would provide more than enough energy for the things they do. There's still no explanation for how this works; and it's still played straight otherwise.

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* Surprisingly, Franchise/SuperMarioBros ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' somewhat averts this. Some of the characters are described as drawing power from stars inside them, which would provide more than enough energy for the things they do. There's still no explanation for how this works; and it's still played straight otherwise.



* Averted precisely once in ''Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfDrMcNinja'', [[http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/17p82 here]].

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* Averted precisely once in ''Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfDrMcNinja'', [[http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/17p82 here]].here.]]
5th Jun '17 12:20:56 PM WillKeaton
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Minor sidebar for Science Fiction authors who ''want'' to violate conservation of energy: You'll want to look up [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem Noether's Theorem]], which says that for every differentiable symmetry of the action of a physical theory there is a corresponding conserved quantity. This basically means that if energy is not conserved, then the laws of physics must be changing over time. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy#Noether.27s_theoremSee also Wikipedia's further coverage as this applies to conservation of energy.]]

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Minor sidebar for Science Fiction authors who ''want'' to violate conservation of energy: You'll want to look up [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem Noether's Theorem]], which says that for every differentiable symmetry of the action of a physical theory there is a corresponding conserved quantity. This basically means that if energy is not conserved, then the laws of physics must be changing over time. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy#Noether.27s_theoremSee See also Wikipedia's further coverage as this applies to conservation of energy.]]
5th Jun '17 12:20:42 PM WillKeaton
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Minor sidebar for Science Fiction authors who ''want'' to violate conservation of energy: You'll want to look up [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem Noether's Theorem]], which says that for every differentiable symmetry of the action of a physical theory there is a corresponding conserved quantity. This basically means that if energy is not conserved, then the laws of physics must be changing over time. See also Wikipedia's further coverage as this applies to conservation of energy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy#Noether.27s_theorem here]].

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Minor sidebar for Science Fiction authors who ''want'' to violate conservation of energy: You'll want to look up [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem Noether's Theorem]], which says that for every differentiable symmetry of the action of a physical theory there is a corresponding conserved quantity. This basically means that if energy is not conserved, then the laws of physics must be changing over time. See also Wikipedia's further coverage as this applies to conservation of energy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy#Noether.27s_theorem here]].
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