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->''"From the Empire State Building in NewYorkCity, to the Statue of Liberty in New York City, to Times Square in New York City, the state of New York is filled with exciting attractions no matter where you look. Tourists arrive by the thousands every day, whether to enjoy a Broadway play in New York's historic New York City, visit the {{Big Apple|sauce}}, or just explore some of the state's quieter wooded areas in Central Park. New York is also home to the nation's financial capital (New York City), news capital (New York City), and fashion capital (New York City). Indeed, New York State is truly [[ComicallyMissingThePoint the greatest city in the world]]."''
-->--'''''[[TheOnion Our Dumb World]]'''''

Has five boroughs, eight million people and is the center of the world. Oh, you were talking about that ''other'' New York. Well then...

New York isn't called the Empire ''State'' for nothing. Of the state's estimated 19.5 million people, only about 8.3 million live in NewYorkCity, leaving over eleven million to be accounted for. While the NYC suburbs within the state reach well up the Hudson River and nearly all the way down Long Island, the other 90% of the state (often known as "upstate") is culturally and geographically distinct from the city, and often resents the association. There have been several attempts to split the upstate off into the 51st state, and just as many attempts by downstaters (the city and its suburbs) to do likewise; such attempts usually flounder on who gets to keep the name "New York".

Just as [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]] is often stereotyped by New York-based TV and movie writers, so are the parts of New York that aren't the BigApplesauce. To them, Long Island (or "[[AmericanAccents Lawn Guyland]]") is a place inhabited predominantly by the vapid East Coast cousins of the ValleyGirl, while upstate New York (meaning "everything north of the Tappan Zee Bridge") doesn't exist. And if it does, it may as well be a colder version of [[DeepSouth Alabama]] mixed with every [[DyingTown depressed Rust Belt town]] in existence -- unless it's a ski resort or campground. And then they wonder why upstaters want to secede so badly.

Politically, the non-NYC parts of New York State, outside of the urban areas (where labor issues are at the forefront), have trended more conservative than the city, although Long Island has recently become more of a Democratic safe zone. New York's conservatism, however, has often been of the more libertarian, "Rockefeller Republican"[[note]]So named for Nelson Rockefeller, who was governor of the state for nearly a decade and a half (1959-73) before he became Vice President under GeraldFord, and was famous for being one of the most high-profile moderate voices in the Republican Party.[[/note]] variety; attempts by the Republican Party to use the same religious rhetoric that worked so well in the Bible Belt are typically met with ridicule by upstaters.[[note]]We're looking at ''you'', Mr. Carl Paladino.[[/note]] In 1970, it was an upstate legislator who cast the deciding vote to legalize abortion in the state of New York, and in 2011, same-sex marriage was legalized on the votes of four upstate Republicans breaking with the party line to vote in favor of the bill.

A brief rundown:

* '''Long Island:''' The eastern {{suburb|ia}}s. Affectionately known as "Lawn Guyland" after the local pronunciation, or "Strong Island". Shaped like a fish with the "tails" called the North Fork and South Fork. The main road going through here is the Long Island Expressway, or [[FunWithAcronyms the L.I.E.]] -- and yes, the jokes have already been made.[[hottip:*:There's also a road called the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway aka the S.O.B. Well known speed trap.]] The western third of Long Island is actually composed of two New York City Boroughs (Queens and Brooklyn), but you will never get a denizen of those boroughs to call themselves Long Islanders. When we talk about Long Island, we talk about Nassau and Suffolk Counties east of the boroughs.\\
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The first planned suburb in the United States, Levittown, is in southeast Nassau County. Generally, the further east you go, the more rural and spread out the towns get, with the North Fork home to many orchards and wineries. Located on the South Fork facing the Atlantic are the Hamptons, a collection of super-rich resort towns that you may have seen in TV shows and movies. The far eastern tip (which is closer in geography in a straight line to UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} than Manhattan) is occupied by Montauk, a small town that wouldn't look out of place in [[HollywoodNewEngland New England]] -- and judging by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project tales]] that [[GovernmentConspiracy the government once conducted freaky experiments there]], wouldn't be out of place in LovecraftCountry either.
* '''Hudson Valley:''' The area immediately north of the city. Popular definition holds that "upstate New York" begins somewhere in this area -- exactly where depends on where in the Valley you live. [[hottip:*:It's often said that people in the city think upstate starts at Yonkers, people in Yonkers think it starts at White Plains, people in White Plains think it starts at Stony Point, people in Stony Point think it starts at Newburgh, people in Newburgh think it starts at Poughkeepsie, and people in Poughkeepsie will say that north of them is the Capital District. Basically, wherever you live is NOT upstate, and everything north of you is. Unless "everything north of you" is Canada.]] When most people talk about the Hudson Valley, they're usually speaking of Westchester and Rockland Counties, the two counties closest to the city, and the most suburbanized. Some notable places in the Hudson Valley include Yonkers (home of LadyGaga), Nyack (home of a lot of rich Jews and a big mall -- seriously, a ''big'' frakking mall), the Tappan Zee Bridge, the Palisade cliffs overlooking the Hudson, the town of New Paltz (whose Green Party mayor conducted same-sex marriages years before the state legalized them), and [[TheAlcatraz the maximum security Sing Sing Prison]] in Ossining.
* '''Catskill Mountains:''' The area that New York City gets its water from. Most of the area is kept as a forest preserve/state park, which serves the dual purpose of protecting the city's water supply[[note]]Contrary to popular belief, New York's water is some of the cleanest in the nation. It's only the Hudson River that's toxic.[[/note]] and providing New Yorkers with easily accessible nature. Consequently, the area is home to some of the closest ski resorts, hiking trails and campgrounds to the city -- and unlike [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]], our campgrounds aren't stalked by [[Franchise/FridayThe13th masked, machete-wielding slashers]]. In the mid-20th century, before {{civil rights|Movement}} and the rise of cheap air travel, this area was home to the BorschtBelt, a collection of summer resorts and campgrounds that welcomed New York's Jews when most other resorts discriminated against them. The stand-up comics who performed here soon became famous for their trademark "Jewish humor".
* '''Capital District:''' As the name suggests, this area is home to Albany, the capital of the state of New York and a name that is often spoken in angry tones, accompanied by profanity, and likely in the pages of the ''[[AmericanNewspapers Post]]'' or the ''Daily News'' (as in "those f--kers in Albany are wasting my tax dollars"). Nearby Schenectady is the old home of General Electric, the part-owners (and former full owners) of Creator/{{NBC}} and [[{{Universal}} Universal Studios]]; they've since moved their headquarters to Connecticut, but they still have a ton of facilities in Schenectady and along the Hudson River, some of which are the reason why the Hudson has its reputation for being an extension of [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]]. (They're gonna clean it up sometime. We swear.) It's also home to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRGB one of the world's first television stations]] (where TV cooking-show host RachaelRay started her career) and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGY_(AM) America's second commercial radio station]], which should be handy for trivia night.\\
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The area sits at the confluence of the Hudson and Mohawk Rivers, and is the eastern point on the Erie Canal. This allowed it to grow into a major industrial center in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and it also allowed many New Yorkers and New Englanders to settle in the Great Lakes region -- Michigan, eastern Wisconsin, and northern Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois were historically known as being more traditionally Northeastern than the actual Northeast for this very reason. The rise of the more convenient St. Lawrence Seaway through Canada greatly reduced the old canal's relevance, and was a huge blow to the region's prospects (and those of upstate New York in general -- rest assured that this won't be the last time the Erie Canal is mentioned), but it is still the wealthiest part of upstate, home to over 1.1 million people. It has managed to weather the recession better than most places, thanks partly to its large sea of high-tech manufacturing jobs and companies (including the aforementioned GE) -- the "Tech Valley" would likely be considered the East Coast's Silicon Valley if it weren't for UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} already claiming that title.
* '''Adirondack Mountains:''' New York's other mountain range. Larger and more remote than the Catskills, the Adirondacks aren't actually a part of the Appalachian Range, but rather, an extension of the Laurentian Mountains of Quebec. Culturally, they're more an extension of [[HollywoodNewEngland northern New England]] than anything else, sharing a media market with most of Vermont -- and with nearby UsefulNotes/{{Montreal}}, which dwarfs both areas in population. (Stations in the area often carry advertising for Canadian businesses.) The old Fort Ticonderoga is located along Lake Champlain at the edge of the mountains, as are a large collection of ski resorts (the most famous being Lake Placid). North of the Adirondacks is the North Country, a vast, sparsely-populated area along the Quebec border consisting of Adirondack foothills, Plattsburgh, and the western shores of Lake Champlain. The proximity to Quebec means that a lot of the signage in the Adirondacks is bilingual, written in both English and French -- which makes the state of New York better at accommodating French-Canadians than Alberta despite not being bound by Canadian language laws. Weird, eh?
* '''Central New York:''' Like many of upstate New York's urban centers, this area lived and died on the Erie Canal. Today, as one might guess, it is an economically depressed area, with cities like Syracuse, Oswego, Utica and Rome all symbolizing the declining Rust Belt. Syracuse has a college which, due to its good journalism program, often gets name-dropped in the news far more often than it probably deserves. The eastern part of the region, formerly known as the Leatherstocking Country, is carved by the Mohawk and Susquehanna Rivers, and used to be the heart of the Iroquois Confederacy. It was of major strategic importance during the French and Indian War, as it was one of the main routes into the North American interior (which is why the Erie Canal is there) -- the British and French could easily attack the hearts of the other side's respective colonial empires through the Mohawk Valley.
* '''Western New York:''' This area is the site of the cities of Buffalo and Rochester, and acts as the western end of the Erie Canal -- which means it got screwed economically when the Canadians dredged the St. Lawrence. This is the part of upstate that most people have heard of. Culturally, the area is more Midwestern than East Coast, which shows in the accent and a few expressions ("pop"). NiagaraFalls is located out here, but everybody knows that the view is better on the Canadian side of the river, which means that the New York side hasn't really benefited all that much from tourism. [[note]]The Canadian side, however, has benefited from favorable exchange rates and a heavy push towards tourism to basically become the Canadian [[{{Joisey}} Atlantic City]]. Which drains even more tourists from the American side of the falls.[[/note]]\\
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Buffalo is notorious for getting blizzards that are gigantic even by the tough standards of upstate New York, while Rochester was once a major hub of both the abolitionist and women's rights movements. In the early 19th century, the area was called the "burned-over district" due to all the religious revivals in the area -- it was so heavily evangelized that there was no "fuel" (people) left to "burn" (convert). Among the religious movements that emerged here were [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} the Mormons]], the Millerites and the Shakers, making it something of a 19th century version of {{California}} in terms of being a hub for new religious groups. Fun fact: Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse are each fully separate media markets despite there being larger cities in NewYorkState and along the Canadian side of Lake Ontario that aren't due to their proximity to NewYorkCity and {{Toronto}}.
* '''Finger Lakes:''' South of Rochester and west of Syracuse, the Finger Lakes are a chain of long, narrow, finger-like lakes in the west-central part of the state. It's the site of New York's wine country, and a major summertime tourist destination. One of the largest cities is Ithaca, site of two major colleges (Ithaca College and [[IvyLeague Cornell University]]) and the North American seat of the Dalai Lama, and one of the few places in upstate New York that still has a healthy economy. The town of Seneca Falls is notable for having been the birthplace of the women's rights movement.
* '''Southern Tier:''' Yeah, as you can gather, we're really not all that creative naming parts of upstate New York. (That's because all the creative types in the city don't care about upstate New York.) This area is located along the border between New York and Pennsylvania west of the Catskills. It is very rural and sparsely populated, with the only sizable cities being Binghamton and Elmira. Binghamton is the site of a large state university that often gets name-dropped in New York-based media, and the city recently entered the news after a guy went on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings a shooting spree]] at an immigration center. As one can guess, it's a rather depressing place. The western part of the region also contains Allegheny State Park.\\
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Lately, the region's been in the news due to the fact that it sits atop the Marcellus Shale Formation, which contains large amounts of natural gas that can only be accessed through the controversial drilling practice known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".[[hottip:*:Stop laughing, ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'' fans.]] Currently, the state has placed a moratorium on fracking due to its environmental and health impacts (particularly water pollution), which has caused a mixed reaction in the region -- some locals support ending the moratorium so that they can rent their land out for drilling, boosting the local economy and reducing the cost of natural gas in the dreaded upstate winter, while others wish to keep it in place, having ''seen'' what happened to water supplies in neighboring Pennsylvania when [[GoneHorriblyWrong things went horribly, horribly wrong]] (being able to light your water on fire being the ''least'' of the problems), thank-you-very-much. Downstaters, meanwhile, have had largely one reaction to the idea of fracking so close to the source of their water supply -- [[{{Pun}} "frack you!"]][[note]]And [[ClusterFBomb knowing New Yorkers]], they probably didn't use the UnusualEuphemism.[[/note]]
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!!'''In fiction:'''

[[AC:ComicBooks]]
* [[{{X-Men}} Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Children]] is located in Salem Center, Westchester County. Interestingly, besides Xavier, the only X-Man from the area is the linguist Cypher.

[[AC:{{Film}}]]
* ''BruceAlmighty'' is set in Buffalo.
* The sports movie ''Film/{{Miracle}}'', set during the Miracle on Ice at the [[OlympicGames 1980 Lake Placid Winter Olympics]].
* Despite its name, ''Film/LakePlacid'' is '''not''' set in the Adirondack town; it's actually set in Maine.
* ''Film/BuffaloSixtySix'' is set in -- well, Buffalo.
* ''DirtyDancing'' is set at a resort in the Catskills.
* ''CanadianBacon'' is set partially in Niagara Falls, and is about a sheriff from the town.
* ''TheManhattanProject'' is set in Ithaca. It was largely filmed not in Ithaca, but in Rockland County.
* The ElizaDushku b-movie ''TheAlphabetKiller'' takes place in Rochester, and is loosely based on a actual serial murderer that plagued the city in the early 70s.

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
* Yonkers features prominently in ''WorldWarZ'', where it's the site of one of America's main defeats in the war against the ZombieApocalypse. Long Island also appears as the site of the celebrities' fortress.
* ''TheClique'' novels are set in the rich suburbs of Westchester County.
* James Fenimore Cooper's ''Leatherstocking Tales'' were set in central New York, and helped to give part of the region the nickname of "Leatherstocking Country."
* ''TheGreatGatsby'' takes place in the rich, fashionable neighborhoods of [[TheRoaringTwenties Prohibition-era]] Long Island.
* ''[[TheOnion Our Dumb World]]''[='=]s entry on New York makes fun of upstate's lack of recognition, providing the page quote in the process.
* ''Literature/NoSafetyInNumbers'' takes place at [[TheMall a mall]] in Westchester County that is quarantined due to a bioterrorist attack.
* ''HowToSurviveAHorrorMovie'' makes fun of most people's ignorance of upstate New York, when it tells you that going north is a great way to escape from a horror movie.
-->"If you're on [[Film/{{Signs}} an alien-infested Pennsylvania farm]], you'll be in Upstate New York -- where few horror movies take place, since everyone forgets it's there."

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* ''EverybodyLovesRaymond'' is set in the Nassau County town of Lynbrook, and is an eerily accurate representation of the less rich, more middle class Long Island suburbs.
* On ''MadMen'', Betty's stultifying suburban life is set in [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic Ossining]].
* The PrimeTimeSoap ''Series/{{Revenge}}'' is set in the Hamptons.
* ''{{Suburgatory}}'' takes place on Long Island.
* ''Series/RoyalPains'' takes place in the Hamptons and is filmed there.

[[AC:{{Music}}]]
* The {{Woodstock}} music festival was held in the town of Bethel, along the southern edge of the Catskills.

[[AC:{{Theatre}}]]
* The musical version of ''TheFullMonty'' moves the story to Buffalo.

[[AC:VideoGames]]
* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations'' ends with [[spoiler: Desmond waking from his coma as he and his companions arrive at a field in New York state.]]
** ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII'' will also take place, at least in part, in the Mohawk Valley.
* [[WhatCouldHaveBeen The original plan]] for ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'' would have featured areas based on upstate New York and Long Island. It was cut early on in order to focus on the city, though references to an area called "[[ShoutOut the]] [[TheGreatGatsby Carraways]]" (presumably based on the Hamptons) still exist in the finished product and in the [[GrandTheftAutoIVTheLostAndDamned expansion]] [[GrandTheftAutoIVTheBalladOfGayTony packs]].

[[AC:WebOriginal]]
* A RunningGag on AlternateHistoryDotCom is that non-Americans have never heard of this New York ''state'' and refuse to believe there is such a place as upstate New York -- or else think it's a frozen-in-time place still inhabited chiefly by the Iroquois Confederation.
* In the AlternateHistory ''DecadesOfDarkness'' (published on the above site), New York gets split into three states within the greater Republic of New England -- Long Island, comprising NewYorkCity, Westchester and Rockland Counties and, [[CaptainObvious well, Long Island]]; Hudson, made up of the eastern half of upstate New York; and Niagara, which makes up the western half of upstate.
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->''"From the Empire State Building in NewYorkCity, to the Statue of Liberty in New York City, to Times Square in New York City, the state of New York is filled with exciting attractions no matter where you look. Tourists arrive by the thousands every day, whether to enjoy a Broadway play in New York's historic New York City, visit the {{Big Apple|sauce}}, or just explore some of the state's quieter wooded areas in Central Park. New York is also home to the nation's financial capital (New York City), news capital (New York City), and fashion capital (New York City). Indeed, New York State is truly [[ComicallyMissingThePoint the greatest city in the world]]."''
-->--'''''[[TheOnion Our Dumb World]]'''''

Has five boroughs, eight million people and is the center of the world. Oh, you were talking about that ''other'' New York. Well then...

New York isn't called the Empire ''State'' for nothing. Of the state's estimated 19.5 million people, only about 8.3 million live in NewYorkCity, leaving over eleven million to be accounted for. While the NYC suburbs within the state reach well up the Hudson River and nearly all the way down Long Island, the other 90% of the state (often known as "upstate") is culturally and geographically distinct from the city, and often resents the association. There have been several attempts to split the upstate off into the 51st state, and just as many attempts by downstaters (the city and its suburbs) to do likewise; such attempts usually flounder on who gets to keep the name "New York".

Just as [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]] is often stereotyped by New York-based TV and movie writers, so are the parts of New York that aren't the BigApplesauce. To them, Long Island (or "[[AmericanAccents Lawn Guyland]]") is a place inhabited predominantly by the vapid East Coast cousins of the ValleyGirl, while upstate New York (meaning "everything north of the Tappan Zee Bridge") doesn't exist. And if it does, it may as well be a colder version of [[DeepSouth Alabama]] mixed with every [[DyingTown depressed Rust Belt town]] in existence -- unless it's a ski resort or campground. And then they wonder why upstaters want to secede so badly.

Politically, the non-NYC parts of New York State, outside of the urban areas (where labor issues are at the forefront), have trended more conservative than the city, although Long Island has recently become more of a Democratic safe zone. New York's conservatism, however, has often been of the more libertarian, "Rockefeller Republican"[[note]]So named for Nelson Rockefeller, who was governor of the state for nearly a decade and a half (1959-73) before he became Vice President under GeraldFord, and was famous for being one of the most high-profile moderate voices in the Republican Party.[[/note]] variety; attempts by the Republican Party to use the same religious rhetoric that worked so well in the Bible Belt are typically met with ridicule by upstaters.[[note]]We're looking at ''you'', Mr. Carl Paladino.[[/note]] In 1970, it was an upstate legislator who cast the deciding vote to legalize abortion in the state of New York, and in 2011, same-sex marriage was legalized on the votes of four upstate Republicans breaking with the party line to vote in favor of the bill.

A brief rundown:

* '''Long Island:''' The eastern {{suburb|ia}}s. Affectionately known as "Lawn Guyland" after the local pronunciation, or "Strong Island". Shaped like a fish with the "tails" called the North Fork and South Fork. The main road going through here is the Long Island Expressway, or [[FunWithAcronyms the L.I.E.]] -- and yes, the jokes have already been made.[[hottip:*:There's also a road called the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway aka the S.O.B. Well known speed trap.]] The western third of Long Island is actually composed of two New York City Boroughs (Queens and Brooklyn), but you will never get a denizen of those boroughs to call themselves Long Islanders. When we talk about Long Island, we talk about Nassau and Suffolk Counties east of the boroughs.\\
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The first planned suburb in the United States, Levittown, is in southeast Nassau County. Generally, the further east you go, the more rural and spread out the towns get, with the North Fork home to many orchards and wineries. Located on the South Fork facing the Atlantic are the Hamptons, a collection of super-rich resort towns that you may have seen in TV shows and movies. The far eastern tip (which is closer in geography in a straight line to UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} than Manhattan) is occupied by Montauk, a small town that wouldn't look out of place in [[HollywoodNewEngland New England]] -- and judging by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project tales]] that [[GovernmentConspiracy the government once conducted freaky experiments there]], wouldn't be out of place in LovecraftCountry either.
* '''Hudson Valley:''' The area immediately north of the city. Popular definition holds that "upstate New York" begins somewhere in this area -- exactly where depends on where in the Valley you live. [[hottip:*:It's often said that people in the city think upstate starts at Yonkers, people in Yonkers think it starts at White Plains, people in White Plains think it starts at Stony Point, people in Stony Point think it starts at Newburgh, people in Newburgh think it starts at Poughkeepsie, and people in Poughkeepsie will say that north of them is the Capital District. Basically, wherever you live is NOT upstate, and everything north of you is. Unless "everything north of you" is Canada.]] When most people talk about the Hudson Valley, they're usually speaking of Westchester and Rockland Counties, the two counties closest to the city, and the most suburbanized. Some notable places in the Hudson Valley include Yonkers (home of LadyGaga), Nyack (home of a lot of rich Jews and a big mall -- seriously, a ''big'' frakking mall), the Tappan Zee Bridge, the Palisade cliffs overlooking the Hudson, the town of New Paltz (whose Green Party mayor conducted same-sex marriages years before the state legalized them), and [[TheAlcatraz the maximum security Sing Sing Prison]] in Ossining.
* '''Catskill Mountains:''' The area that New York City gets its water from. Most of the area is kept as a forest preserve/state park, which serves the dual purpose of protecting the city's water supply[[note]]Contrary to popular belief, New York's water is some of the cleanest in the nation. It's only the Hudson River that's toxic.[[/note]] and providing New Yorkers with easily accessible nature. Consequently, the area is home to some of the closest ski resorts, hiking trails and campgrounds to the city -- and unlike [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]], our campgrounds aren't stalked by [[Franchise/FridayThe13th masked, machete-wielding slashers]]. In the mid-20th century, before {{civil rights|Movement}} and the rise of cheap air travel, this area was home to the BorschtBelt, a collection of summer resorts and campgrounds that welcomed New York's Jews when most other resorts discriminated against them. The stand-up comics who performed here soon became famous for their trademark "Jewish humor".
* '''Capital District:''' As the name suggests, this area is home to Albany, the capital of the state of New York and a name that is often spoken in angry tones, accompanied by profanity, and likely in the pages of the ''[[AmericanNewspapers Post]]'' or the ''Daily News'' (as in "those f--kers in Albany are wasting my tax dollars"). Nearby Schenectady is the old home of General Electric, the part-owners (and former full owners) of Creator/{{NBC}} and [[{{Universal}} Universal Studios]]; they've since moved their headquarters to Connecticut, but they still have a ton of facilities in Schenectady and along the Hudson River, some of which are the reason why the Hudson has its reputation for being an extension of [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]]. (They're gonna clean it up sometime. We swear.) It's also home to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRGB one of the world's first television stations]] (where TV cooking-show host RachaelRay started her career) and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGY_(AM) America's second commercial radio station]], which should be handy for trivia night.\\
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The area sits at the confluence of the Hudson and Mohawk Rivers, and is the eastern point on the Erie Canal. This allowed it to grow into a major industrial center in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and it also allowed many New Yorkers and New Englanders to settle in the Great Lakes region -- Michigan, eastern Wisconsin, and northern Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois were historically known as being more traditionally Northeastern than the actual Northeast for this very reason. The rise of the more convenient St. Lawrence Seaway through Canada greatly reduced the old canal's relevance, and was a huge blow to the region's prospects (and those of upstate New York in general -- rest assured that this won't be the last time the Erie Canal is mentioned), but it is still the wealthiest part of upstate, home to over 1.1 million people. It has managed to weather the recession better than most places, thanks partly to its large sea of high-tech manufacturing jobs and companies (including the aforementioned GE) -- the "Tech Valley" would likely be considered the East Coast's Silicon Valley if it weren't for UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} already claiming that title.
* '''Adirondack Mountains:''' New York's other mountain range. Larger and more remote than the Catskills, the Adirondacks aren't actually a part of the Appalachian Range, but rather, an extension of the Laurentian Mountains of Quebec. Culturally, they're more an extension of [[HollywoodNewEngland northern New England]] than anything else, sharing a media market with most of Vermont -- and with nearby UsefulNotes/{{Montreal}}, which dwarfs both areas in population. (Stations in the area often carry advertising for Canadian businesses.) The old Fort Ticonderoga is located along Lake Champlain at the edge of the mountains, as are a large collection of ski resorts (the most famous being Lake Placid). North of the Adirondacks is the North Country, a vast, sparsely-populated area along the Quebec border consisting of Adirondack foothills, Plattsburgh, and the western shores of Lake Champlain. The proximity to Quebec means that a lot of the signage in the Adirondacks is bilingual, written in both English and French -- which makes the state of New York better at accommodating French-Canadians than Alberta despite not being bound by Canadian language laws. Weird, eh?
* '''Central New York:''' Like many of upstate New York's urban centers, this area lived and died on the Erie Canal. Today, as one might guess, it is an economically depressed area, with cities like Syracuse, Oswego, Utica and Rome all symbolizing the declining Rust Belt. Syracuse has a college which, due to its good journalism program, often gets name-dropped in the news far more often than it probably deserves. The eastern part of the region, formerly known as the Leatherstocking Country, is carved by the Mohawk and Susquehanna Rivers, and used to be the heart of the Iroquois Confederacy. It was of major strategic importance during the French and Indian War, as it was one of the main routes into the North American interior (which is why the Erie Canal is there) -- the British and French could easily attack the hearts of the other side's respective colonial empires through the Mohawk Valley.
* '''Western New York:''' This area is the site of the cities of Buffalo and Rochester, and acts as the western end of the Erie Canal -- which means it got screwed economically when the Canadians dredged the St. Lawrence. This is the part of upstate that most people have heard of. Culturally, the area is more Midwestern than East Coast, which shows in the accent and a few expressions ("pop"). NiagaraFalls is located out here, but everybody knows that the view is better on the Canadian side of the river, which means that the New York side hasn't really benefited all that much from tourism. [[note]]The Canadian side, however, has benefited from favorable exchange rates and a heavy push towards tourism to basically become the Canadian [[{{Joisey}} Atlantic City]]. Which drains even more tourists from the American side of the falls.[[/note]]\\
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Buffalo is notorious for getting blizzards that are gigantic even by the tough standards of upstate New York, while Rochester was once a major hub of both the abolitionist and women's rights movements. In the early 19th century, the area was called the "burned-over district" due to all the religious revivals in the area -- it was so heavily evangelized that there was no "fuel" (people) left to "burn" (convert). Among the religious movements that emerged here were [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} the Mormons]], the Millerites and the Shakers, making it something of a 19th century version of {{California}} in terms of being a hub for new religious groups. Fun fact: Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse are each fully separate media markets despite there being larger cities in NewYorkState and along the Canadian side of Lake Ontario that aren't due to their proximity to NewYorkCity and {{Toronto}}.
* '''Finger Lakes:''' South of Rochester and west of Syracuse, the Finger Lakes are a chain of long, narrow, finger-like lakes in the west-central part of the state. It's the site of New York's wine country, and a major summertime tourist destination. One of the largest cities is Ithaca, site of two major colleges (Ithaca College and [[IvyLeague Cornell University]]) and the North American seat of the Dalai Lama, and one of the few places in upstate New York that still has a healthy economy. The town of Seneca Falls is notable for having been the birthplace of the women's rights movement.
* '''Southern Tier:''' Yeah, as you can gather, we're really not all that creative naming parts of upstate New York. (That's because all the creative types in the city don't care about upstate New York.) This area is located along the border between New York and Pennsylvania west of the Catskills. It is very rural and sparsely populated, with the only sizable cities being Binghamton and Elmira. Binghamton is the site of a large state university that often gets name-dropped in New York-based media, and the city recently entered the news after a guy went on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings a shooting spree]] at an immigration center. As one can guess, it's a rather depressing place. The western part of the region also contains Allegheny State Park.\\
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Lately, the region's been in the news due to the fact that it sits atop the Marcellus Shale Formation, which contains large amounts of natural gas that can only be accessed through the controversial drilling practice known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".[[hottip:*:Stop laughing, ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'' fans.]] Currently, the state has placed a moratorium on fracking due to its environmental and health impacts (particularly water pollution), which has caused a mixed reaction in the region -- some locals support ending the moratorium so that they can rent their land out for drilling, boosting the local economy and reducing the cost of natural gas in the dreaded upstate winter, while others wish to keep it in place, having ''seen'' what happened to water supplies in neighboring Pennsylvania when [[GoneHorriblyWrong things went horribly, horribly wrong]] (being able to light your water on fire being the ''least'' of the problems), thank-you-very-much. Downstaters, meanwhile, have had largely one reaction to the idea of fracking so close to the source of their water supply -- [[{{Pun}} "frack you!"]][[note]]And [[ClusterFBomb knowing New Yorkers]], they probably didn't use the UnusualEuphemism.[[/note]]
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!!'''In fiction:'''

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* [[{{X-Men}} Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Children]] is located in Salem Center, Westchester County. Interestingly, besides Xavier, the only X-Man from the area is the linguist Cypher.

[[AC:{{Film}}]]
* ''BruceAlmighty'' is set in Buffalo.
* The sports movie ''Film/{{Miracle}}'', set during the Miracle on Ice at the [[OlympicGames 1980 Lake Placid Winter Olympics]].
* Despite its name, ''Film/LakePlacid'' is '''not''' set in the Adirondack town; it's actually set in Maine.
* ''Film/BuffaloSixtySix'' is set in -- well, Buffalo.
* ''DirtyDancing'' is set at a resort in the Catskills.
* ''CanadianBacon'' is set partially in Niagara Falls, and is about a sheriff from the town.
* ''TheManhattanProject'' is set in Ithaca. It was largely filmed not in Ithaca, but in Rockland County.
* The ElizaDushku b-movie ''TheAlphabetKiller'' takes place in Rochester, and is loosely based on a actual serial murderer that plagued the city in the early 70s.

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
* Yonkers features prominently in ''WorldWarZ'', where it's the site of one of America's main defeats in the war against the ZombieApocalypse. Long Island also appears as the site of the celebrities' fortress.
* ''TheClique'' novels are set in the rich suburbs of Westchester County.
* James Fenimore Cooper's ''Leatherstocking Tales'' were set in central New York, and helped to give part of the region the nickname of "Leatherstocking Country."
* ''TheGreatGatsby'' takes place in the rich, fashionable neighborhoods of [[TheRoaringTwenties Prohibition-era]] Long Island.
* ''[[TheOnion Our Dumb World]]''[='=]s entry on New York makes fun of upstate's lack of recognition, providing the page quote in the process.
* ''Literature/NoSafetyInNumbers'' takes place at [[TheMall a mall]] in Westchester County that is quarantined due to a bioterrorist attack.
* ''HowToSurviveAHorrorMovie'' makes fun of most people's ignorance of upstate New York, when it tells you that going north is a great way to escape from a horror movie.
-->"If you're on [[Film/{{Signs}} an alien-infested Pennsylvania farm]], you'll be in Upstate New York -- where few horror movies take place, since everyone forgets it's there."

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* ''EverybodyLovesRaymond'' is set in the Nassau County town of Lynbrook, and is an eerily accurate representation of the less rich, more middle class Long Island suburbs.
* On ''MadMen'', Betty's stultifying suburban life is set in [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic Ossining]].
* The PrimeTimeSoap ''Series/{{Revenge}}'' is set in the Hamptons.
* ''{{Suburgatory}}'' takes place on Long Island.
* ''Series/RoyalPains'' takes place in the Hamptons and is filmed there.

[[AC:{{Music}}]]
* The {{Woodstock}} music festival was held in the town of Bethel, along the southern edge of the Catskills.

[[AC:{{Theatre}}]]
* The musical version of ''TheFullMonty'' moves the story to Buffalo.

[[AC:VideoGames]]
* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations'' ends with [[spoiler: Desmond waking from his coma as he and his companions arrive at a field in New York state.]]
** ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII'' will also take place, at least in part, in the Mohawk Valley.
* [[WhatCouldHaveBeen The original plan]] for ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'' would have featured areas based on upstate New York and Long Island. It was cut early on in order to focus on the city, though references to an area called "[[ShoutOut the]] [[TheGreatGatsby Carraways]]" (presumably based on the Hamptons) still exist in the finished product and in the [[GrandTheftAutoIVTheLostAndDamned expansion]] [[GrandTheftAutoIVTheBalladOfGayTony packs]].

[[AC:WebOriginal]]
* A RunningGag on AlternateHistoryDotCom is that non-Americans have never heard of this New York ''state'' and refuse to believe there is such a place as upstate New York -- or else think it's a frozen-in-time place still inhabited chiefly by the Iroquois Confederation.
* In the AlternateHistory ''DecadesOfDarkness'' (published on the above site), New York gets split into three states within the greater Republic of New England -- Long Island, comprising NewYorkCity, Westchester and Rockland Counties and, [[CaptainObvious well, Long Island]]; Hudson, made up of the eastern half of upstate New York; and Niagara, which makes up the western half of upstate.
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8th Oct '12 2:48:27 PM MarkLungo
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8th Oct '12 2:46:39 PM MarkLungo
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->From the Empire State Building in NewYorkCity, to the Statue of Liberty in New York City, to Times Square in New York City, the state of New York is filled with exciting attractions no matter where you look. Tourists arrive by the thousands every day, whether to enjoy a Broadway play in New York's historic New York City, visit the {{Big Apple|sauce}}, or just explore some of the state's quieter wooded areas in Central Park. New York is also home to the nation's financial capital (New York City), news capital (New York City), and fashion capital (New York City). Indeed, New York State is truly [[ComicallyMissingThePoint the greatest city in the world]].
-->--''[[TheOnion Our Dumb World]]''

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->From ->''"From the Empire State Building in NewYorkCity, to the Statue of Liberty in New York City, to Times Square in New York City, the state of New York is filled with exciting attractions no matter where you look. Tourists arrive by the thousands every day, whether to enjoy a Broadway play in New York's historic New York City, visit the {{Big Apple|sauce}}, or just explore some of the state's quieter wooded areas in Central Park. New York is also home to the nation's financial capital (New York City), news capital (New York City), and fashion capital (New York City). Indeed, New York State is truly [[ComicallyMissingThePoint the greatest city in the world]].
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* '''Adirondack Mountains:''' New York's other mountain range. Larger and more remote than the Catskills, the Adirondacks aren't actually a part of the Appalachian Range, but rather, an extension of the Laurentian Mountains of Quebec. Culturally, they're more an extension of [[HollywoodNewEngland northern New England]] than anything else, sharing a media market with most of Vermont -- and with nearby {{Montreal}}, which dwarfs both areas in population. (Stations in the area often carry advertising for Canadian businesses.) The old Fort Ticonderoga is located along Lake Champlain at the edge of the mountains, as are a large collection of ski resorts (the most famous being Lake Placid). North of the Adirondacks is the North Country, a vast, sparsely-populated area along the Quebec border consisting of Adirondack foothills, Plattsburgh, and the western shores of Lake Champlain. The proximity to Quebec means that a lot of the signage in the Adirondacks is bilingual, written in both English and French -- which makes the state of New York better at accommodating French-Canadians than Alberta despite not being bound by Canadian language laws. Weird, eh?

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* '''Adirondack Mountains:''' New York's other mountain range. Larger and more remote than the Catskills, the Adirondacks aren't actually a part of the Appalachian Range, but rather, an extension of the Laurentian Mountains of Quebec. Culturally, they're more an extension of [[HollywoodNewEngland northern New England]] than anything else, sharing a media market with most of Vermont -- and with nearby {{Montreal}}, UsefulNotes/{{Montreal}}, which dwarfs both areas in population. (Stations in the area often carry advertising for Canadian businesses.) The old Fort Ticonderoga is located along Lake Champlain at the edge of the mountains, as are a large collection of ski resorts (the most famous being Lake Placid). North of the Adirondacks is the North Country, a vast, sparsely-populated area along the Quebec border consisting of Adirondack foothills, Plattsburgh, and the western shores of Lake Champlain. The proximity to Quebec means that a lot of the signage in the Adirondacks is bilingual, written in both English and French -- which makes the state of New York better at accommodating French-Canadians than Alberta despite not being bound by Canadian language laws. Weird, eh?
3rd Oct '12 2:42:31 AM filia85
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* ''Series/RoyalPains'' takes place in the Hamptons and is filmed there.
2nd Oct '12 6:26:48 PM nombretomado
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Lately, the region's been in the news due to the fact that it sits atop the Marcellus Shale Formation, which contains large amounts of natural gas that can only be accessed through the controversial drilling practice known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".[[hottip:*:Stop laughing, ''BattlestarGalactica'' fans.]] Currently, the state has placed a moratorium on fracking due to its environmental and health impacts (particularly water pollution), which has caused a mixed reaction in the region -- some locals support ending the moratorium so that they can rent their land out for drilling, boosting the local economy and reducing the cost of natural gas in the dreaded upstate winter, while others wish to keep it in place, having ''seen'' what happened to water supplies in neighboring Pennsylvania when [[GoneHorriblyWrong things went horribly, horribly wrong]] (being able to light your water on fire being the ''least'' of the problems), thank-you-very-much. Downstaters, meanwhile, have had largely one reaction to the idea of fracking so close to the source of their water supply -- [[{{Pun}} "frack you!"]][[note]]And [[ClusterFBomb knowing New Yorkers]], they probably didn't use the UnusualEuphemism.[[/note]]

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Lately, the region's been in the news due to the fact that it sits atop the Marcellus Shale Formation, which contains large amounts of natural gas that can only be accessed through the controversial drilling practice known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".[[hottip:*:Stop laughing, ''BattlestarGalactica'' ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'' fans.]] Currently, the state has placed a moratorium on fracking due to its environmental and health impacts (particularly water pollution), which has caused a mixed reaction in the region -- some locals support ending the moratorium so that they can rent their land out for drilling, boosting the local economy and reducing the cost of natural gas in the dreaded upstate winter, while others wish to keep it in place, having ''seen'' what happened to water supplies in neighboring Pennsylvania when [[GoneHorriblyWrong things went horribly, horribly wrong]] (being able to light your water on fire being the ''least'' of the problems), thank-you-very-much. Downstaters, meanwhile, have had largely one reaction to the idea of fracking so close to the source of their water supply -- [[{{Pun}} "frack you!"]][[note]]And [[ClusterFBomb knowing New Yorkers]], they probably didn't use the UnusualEuphemism.[[/note]]
27th Sep '12 4:33:49 PM karstovich2
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Lately, the region's been in the news due to the fact that it sits atop the Marcellus Shale Formation, which contains large amounts of natural gas that can only be accessed through the controversial drilling practice known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".[[hottip:*:Stop laughing, ''BattlestarGalactica'' fans.]] Currently, the state has placed a moratorium on fracking due to its environmental and health impacts (particularly water pollution), which has caused a mixed reaction in the region -- some locals support ending the moratorium so that they can rent their land out for drilling, boosting the local economy and reducing the cost of natural gas in the dreaded upstate winter, while others wish to keep it in place, having ''seen'' what happened to water supplies in neighboring Pennsylvania when [[GoneHorriblyWrong things went wrong]], thank-you-very-much. Downstaters, meanwhile, have had largely one reaction to the idea of fracking so close to the source of their water supply -- [[{{Pun}} "frack you!"]][[note]]And [[ClusterFBomb knowing New Yorkers]], they probably didn't use the UnusualEuphemism.[[/note]]

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Lately, the region's been in the news due to the fact that it sits atop the Marcellus Shale Formation, which contains large amounts of natural gas that can only be accessed through the controversial drilling practice known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".[[hottip:*:Stop laughing, ''BattlestarGalactica'' fans.]] Currently, the state has placed a moratorium on fracking due to its environmental and health impacts (particularly water pollution), which has caused a mixed reaction in the region -- some locals support ending the moratorium so that they can rent their land out for drilling, boosting the local economy and reducing the cost of natural gas in the dreaded upstate winter, while others wish to keep it in place, having ''seen'' what happened to water supplies in neighboring Pennsylvania when [[GoneHorriblyWrong things went wrong]], horribly, horribly wrong]] (being able to light your water on fire being the ''least'' of the problems), thank-you-very-much. Downstaters, meanwhile, have had largely one reaction to the idea of fracking so close to the source of their water supply -- [[{{Pun}} "frack you!"]][[note]]And [[ClusterFBomb knowing New Yorkers]], they probably didn't use the UnusualEuphemism.[[/note]]
10th Sep '12 2:05:10 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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Politically, the non-NYC parts of New York State, outside of the urban areas (where labor issues are at the forefront), have trended more conservative than the city, although Long Island has recently become more of a Democratic safe zone. New York's conservatism, however, has often been of the more libertarian, "Rockefeller Republican"[[note]]So named for Nelson Rockefeller, who was governor of the state for nearly a decade and a half (1959-73) before he became Vice President under GeraldFord, and was famous for being one of the most high-profile moderate voices in the Republican Party.[[/note]] variety; attempts by the Republican Party to use the same religious rhetoric that worked so well in the Bible Belt are typically met with ridicule by upstaters.[[hottip:*:We're looking at ''you'', Mr. Carl Paladino.]] In 1970, it was an upstate legislator who cast the deciding vote to legalize abortion in the state of New York, and in 2011, same-sex marriage was legalized on the votes of four upstate Republicans breaking with the party line to vote in favor of the bill.

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Politically, the non-NYC parts of New York State, outside of the urban areas (where labor issues are at the forefront), have trended more conservative than the city, although Long Island has recently become more of a Democratic safe zone. New York's conservatism, however, has often been of the more libertarian, "Rockefeller Republican"[[note]]So named for Nelson Rockefeller, who was governor of the state for nearly a decade and a half (1959-73) before he became Vice President under GeraldFord, and was famous for being one of the most high-profile moderate voices in the Republican Party.[[/note]] variety; attempts by the Republican Party to use the same religious rhetoric that worked so well in the Bible Belt are typically met with ridicule by upstaters.[[hottip:*:We're [[note]]We're looking at ''you'', Mr. Carl Paladino.]] [[/note]] In 1970, it was an upstate legislator who cast the deciding vote to legalize abortion in the state of New York, and in 2011, same-sex marriage was legalized on the votes of four upstate Republicans breaking with the party line to vote in favor of the bill.
10th Sep '12 2:04:49 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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Politically, the non-NYC parts of New York State, outside of the urban areas (where labor issues are at the forefront), have trended more conservative than the city, although Long Island has recently become more of a Democratic safe zone. New York's conservatism, however, has often been of the more libertarian, Rockefeller Republican variety; attempts by the Republican Party to use the same religious rhetoric that worked so well in the Bible Belt are typically met with ridicule by upstaters.[[hottip:*:We're looking at ''you'', Mr. Carl Paladino.]] In 1970, it was an upstate legislator who cast the deciding vote to legalize abortion in the state of New York, and in 2011, same-sex marriage was legalized on the votes of four upstate Republicans breaking with the party line to vote in favor of the bill.

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Politically, the non-NYC parts of New York State, outside of the urban areas (where labor issues are at the forefront), have trended more conservative than the city, although Long Island has recently become more of a Democratic safe zone. New York's conservatism, however, has often been of the more libertarian, Rockefeller "Rockefeller Republican"[[note]]So named for Nelson Rockefeller, who was governor of the state for nearly a decade and a half (1959-73) before he became Vice President under GeraldFord, and was famous for being one of the most high-profile moderate voices in the Republican Party.[[/note]] variety; attempts by the Republican Party to use the same religious rhetoric that worked so well in the Bible Belt are typically met with ridicule by upstaters.[[hottip:*:We're looking at ''you'', Mr. Carl Paladino.]] In 1970, it was an upstate legislator who cast the deciding vote to legalize abortion in the state of New York, and in 2011, same-sex marriage was legalized on the votes of four upstate Republicans breaking with the party line to vote in favor of the bill.
10th Sep '12 12:54:14 PM AJD
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* American productions of ''TheFullMonty'' often move the story to Buffalo.

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* American productions The musical version of ''TheFullMonty'' often move moves the story to Buffalo.
26th Aug '12 3:11:53 PM Nocturna
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Lately, the region's been in the news due to the fact that it sits atop the Marcellus Shale Formation, which contains large amounts of natural gas that can only be accessed through the controversial drilling practice known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".[[hottip:*:Stop laughing, ''BattlestarGalactica'' fans.]] Currently, the state has placed a moratorium on fracking due to its environmental and health impacts (particularly water pollution), which has caused a mixed reaction in the region -- some locals support ending the moratorium so that they can rent their land out for drilling, boosting the local economy and reducing the cost of natural gas in the dreaded upstate winter, while others wish to keep it in place, having ''seen'' what happened to water supplies in neighboring Pennsylvania when [[GoneHorriblyWrong things went wrong]], thank-you-very-much. Downstaters, meanwhile, have had largely one reaction to the idea of fracking so close to the source of their water supply -- [[AWorldwidePunomenon "frack you!"]][[note]]And [[ClusterFBomb knowing New Yorkers]], they probably didn't use the UnusualEuphemism.[[/note]]

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Lately, the region's been in the news due to the fact that it sits atop the Marcellus Shale Formation, which contains large amounts of natural gas that can only be accessed through the controversial drilling practice known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".[[hottip:*:Stop laughing, ''BattlestarGalactica'' fans.]] Currently, the state has placed a moratorium on fracking due to its environmental and health impacts (particularly water pollution), which has caused a mixed reaction in the region -- some locals support ending the moratorium so that they can rent their land out for drilling, boosting the local economy and reducing the cost of natural gas in the dreaded upstate winter, while others wish to keep it in place, having ''seen'' what happened to water supplies in neighboring Pennsylvania when [[GoneHorriblyWrong things went wrong]], thank-you-very-much. Downstaters, meanwhile, have had largely one reaction to the idea of fracking so close to the source of their water supply -- [[AWorldwidePunomenon [[{{Pun}} "frack you!"]][[note]]And [[ClusterFBomb knowing New Yorkers]], they probably didn't use the UnusualEuphemism.[[/note]]
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