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* There's a famous Latin phrase, "De mortuis nil nisi bonum," that, loosely translated, means "Speak no ill of the dead."
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* Parodied in ''[[YesMinister Yes, Prime Minister]]''; Prime Minister Hacker's predecessor in that office is writing his memoirs, which will be very embarrassing for Hacker, when he suddenly drops dead from a heart attack. When Hacker learns the news, and just before he remembers that he's supposed to act with dignified shock and grief, for a moment he has the biggest, happiest grin we've ever seen on his face. He manages to wipe it off sufficiently to deliver a suitably grave 'initial reaction', but later cheerfully comments that most of the dignitaries who will show up to his state funeral are only going to show up to make sure he's dead.

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* Parodied in ''[[YesMinister ''[[Series/YesMinister Yes, Prime Minister]]''; Prime Minister Hacker's predecessor in that office is writing his memoirs, which will be very embarrassing for Hacker, when he suddenly drops dead from a heart attack. When Hacker learns the news, and just before he remembers that he's supposed to act with dignified shock and grief, for a moment he has the biggest, happiest grin we've ever seen on his face. He manages to wipe it off sufficiently to deliver a suitably grave 'initial reaction', but later cheerfully comments that most of the dignitaries who will show up to his state funeral are only going to show up to make sure he's dead.
30th May '17 11:38:39 AM Tractical_Chunder
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* There's a short period in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' where the party thinks Seifer is dead. Everyone says nice things about him, except Squall, who has a mild freak out triggered by the dissonance between the nearly-unanimous dislike the characters had for Seifer while he was alive and the nice things they say about him after his death.

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* There's a short period in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' where the party thinks JerkAss Seifer is dead. Everyone starts to says nice things about him, except for Squall, who has a mild freak out triggered by the dissonance between the nearly-unanimous dislike the characters had for Seifer while he was alive and the nice things they say about him after his death.
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* ''ValkyrieProfile'': "They say one should not speak unkindly of the dead...so I say, 'Nice try!'"

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* ''ValkyrieProfile'': ''VideoGame/ValkyrieProfile'': "They say one should not speak unkindly of the dead...so I say, 'Nice try!'"
18th May '17 4:43:04 PM Pilomotor
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* Used at first in the finale of ''{{Series/House}}'' in the title character's funeral, until Wilson starts showering him with (mostly accurate) insults. This doesn't last long, though; House, who is not really dead and was somehow listening, calls Wilson to insult ''him''.

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* Used at first in the finale of ''{{Series/House}}'' in the title character's funeral, until Wilson starts showering him with (mostly accurate) insults. This doesn't last long, though; [[spoiler: House, who is not really dead and was somehow listening, calls Wilson to insult ''him''.]]
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* ''Styrofoam Plates'' by DeathCabForCutie is about the life of a boy raised by a poor single mother, left by her father. Towards the end we get the lines "I won't join the procession that's speaking their peace/Using five dollar words/Whilst praising his integrity/Just 'cause he's gone doesn't change the fact he was/A bastard in life thus a bastard in death."

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* ''Styrofoam Plates'' "Styrofoam Plates" by DeathCabForCutie Music/DeathCabForCutie is about the life of a boy raised by a poor single mother, left by her father. Towards the end we get the lines "I won't join the procession that's speaking their peace/Using five dollar words/Whilst praising his integrity/Just 'cause he's gone doesn't change the fact he was/A bastard in life thus a bastard in death."



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21st Apr '17 7:21:17 AM AustinDR
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* In Chapter 7 of ''FanFic/ShatteredInnocence'', [[TheBully Dirk]] insults Lincoln in order to elicit a response from Lynn. Needless to say, [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown it doesn't end well for him]].
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* In MichaelFlynn's ''[[Literature/SpiralArm The January Dancer]]'', when the Fudir tells Hugh that [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves the assasin had killed Sweeney]], Hugh assumes that Sweeney had blocked his way, not pointed out Hugh to him. The Fudir agrees it was so.

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* In MichaelFlynn's Creator/MichaelFlynn's ''[[Literature/SpiralArm The January Dancer]]'', when the Fudir tells Hugh that [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves the assasin had killed Sweeney]], Hugh assumes that Sweeney had blocked his way, not pointed out Hugh to him. The Fudir agrees it was so.
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* Subverted in ''Film/DieHardWithAVengeance'', as Simon agrees with [=McClane=] that Hans was an asshole. But "there is a difference between not liking one's brother and not caring when some dumb Irish flatfoot drops him out of a window."
* Downplayed in ''Film/{{Extract}}'' when the main character's annoying neighbor dies of a heart attack. Him and his wife are somehow saddened but not broken up since he was a massive pest and start making jokes about him and the mourners, oddly coming off more as their own way of mourning since the wife blames herself for what happened since she chewed him out right when he had his heart attack.



* Subverted in ''Film/DieHardWithAVengeance'', as Simon agrees with [=McClane=] that Hans was an asshole. But "there is a difference between not liking one's brother and not caring when some dumb Irish flatfoot drops him out of a window."

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* Subverted in ''Film/DieHardWithAVengeance'', as Simon agrees with [=McClane=] ''Film/TheThreeStooges, Brideless Groom''; When asked about his Uncle Caleb, Shemp goes into a tirade about what a jerk the old man was. When told that Hans was an asshole. But "there is a difference between not liking one's brother Caleb died and not caring when some dumb Irish flatfoot drops left him out of a window."small fortune, Shemp immediately starts a tearful speech on how sweet and charitable he was.



* Downplayed in ''Film/{{Extract}}'' when the main character's annoying neighbor dies of a heart attack. Him and his wife are somehow saddened but not broken up since he was a massive pest and start making jokes about him and the mourners, oddly coming off more as their own way of mourning since the wife blames herself for what happened since she chewed him out right when he had his heart attack.
* ''Film/TheThreeStooges, Brideless Groom''; When asked about his Uncle Caleb, Shemp goes into a tirade about what a jerk the old man was. When told that Caleb died and left him a small fortune, Shemp immediately starts a tearful speech on how sweet and charitable he was.



* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Margaery Tyrell tries to invoke this trope when King Joffrey demands to know why she didn't [[spoiler:provide an heir to Renly Baratheon while they were married]]. It doesn't work because Joffrey considers [[spoiler:Renly to be a traitor, and therefore isn't deserving of any respect even after death]]. Margaery then does her best to answer her betrothed's question without being too brusque about [[spoiler:Renly's homosexuality]], which is considered to be a sin in Westerosi society.
* On ''Series/{{Monk}}'', when Monk goes missing an is presumed dead, the Captain Stottlmyer tearfully says good things about Monk. When Monk turns up alive he however shows his annoyances at Monk's eccentricities.
* ''Series/NotTheNineOClockNews'':
** "De mortuis nil nisi bunkum", Harold Laski. There's a sketch in which two politicians spit bile at each other so fiercely one collapses, and the other immediately switches monologue to 'he was a dear friend...'
-->"THIS IS PRECISELY THE KIND OF POLITICIAN... ''*dies* '' ...who will be greatly missed."
** Oswald Mosley's death. The papers were so nice about the fascist that they devoted a musical number to Mosley, dressed up as punks, where they actually read out genuine paragraphs from the newspapers' obituaries of him. They all said that he was a charismatic man, a gifted speaker, a philanthropist, et cetera.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Margaery Tyrell tries to invoke this trope when King Joffrey demands to know why she didn't [[spoiler:provide an heir to Renly Baratheon while they were married]]. It doesn't work because Joffrey considers [[spoiler:Renly to be a traitor, and therefore isn't deserving of any respect even after death]]. Margaery then does her best to answer her betrothed's question without being too brusque about [[spoiler:Renly's homosexuality]], which is considered to be a sin in Westerosi society.
* On ''Series/{{Monk}}'', when Monk goes missing an is presumed dead,
''Series/AmericanHorrorStoryCoven'': After the Captain Stottlmyer tearfully says good things about Monk. When Monk turns up alive he however shows his annoyances at Monk's eccentricities.
* ''Series/NotTheNineOClockNews'':
** "De mortuis nil nisi bunkum", Harold Laski. There's a sketch in which two politicians spit bile at each other so fiercely one collapses, and
death of [[VillainProtagonist Fiona Goode]], the other immediately switches monologue witches of the coven describe her as a "great [[TheArchmage Supreme]]", "a lot to 'he live up to" and "one of the best", even though she plotted to murder all of them. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] by her own daughter, Cordelia, who acknowledges she was a dear friend...'
-->"THIS IS PRECISELY THE KIND OF POLITICIAN... ''*dies* '' ...who will be greatly missed."
** Oswald Mosley's death. The papers
the worst thing to ever happen to the coven.
* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': PlayedForLaughs. When Amanda Waller dies, Oliver and Lyla (who
were so nice about both employed by her at various points) solemnly raise a toast in her memory. Everyone else looks on, a little bewildered, which Felicity underlines when she mentions the fascist that they devoted a musical number time Waller tried to Mosley, dressed up bomb the entire city to kill a couple dozen {{Super Soldier}}s.
* Played hilariously straight in ''Series/TheBobNewhartShow'', when a hated member of Dr. Hartley's group session dies suddenly, and the rest of the group(who were voting to have him kicked out of the group) were suddenly in mourning for him.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_2_(Israel) Israeli Channel 2]] once held a ‘ceremony’ giving the ‘Golden Jackass’ award for embarrassing quotes by public figures, aired before Cohen’s death (see below). Cohen had a few quotes in there, such
as punks, trying to tell some swans he had imported to a local zoo to ‘Come here, come here’ in English because ‘That’s where they actually read out genuine paragraphs they’re from.’ (They were imported from the newspapers' obituaries of him. They all said that he Netherlands.) After his death, the ‘ceremony’ was aired again, with his quotes edited out and his image replaced with a charismatic man, a gifted speaker, a philanthropist, et cetera.generic human silhouette, similar to the one Website/{{Facebook}} uses in lieu of absent profile pictures. It was very jarring to watch, especially for those who’d watched the original version.



* Played with a little bit in ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'', after Owen dies and then is reanimated.
--> '''Jack:''' What is with you, Ianto? Ever since Owen died all you've done is agree with him!
--> '''Ianto:''' My mother taught me never to speak ill of the dead, even if they do most of the talking for themselves.
* ''Series/JustShootMe'', during the episode "Bye Bye Binnie":
-->'''Dennis:''' We're all sick of hearing about your drunken, slutty, stupid friend Binnie.
-->'''Nina:''' My friend Binnie is dead.
-->'''Dennis:''' Heaven just got another angel.

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* Played Subverted on ''Series/ChicagoHope'': when one of the doctor's father dies, the doctor makes a point of assuring all of the mourners at his funeral that he thought his father was an asshole, refusing to sugarcoat his life just to make them or himself feel better. When he's alone with a little bit in ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'', after Owen dies friend at his father's graveside, however, he does admit that his father wasn't all bad.
* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Elliott "Grotto" Grote, a smalltime Irish mob grunt, is killed by the Punisher, despite Nelson & Murdock's best efforts to protect him. Out of respect for his life, Matt, Karen
and then Foggy have a private memorial service for him in "[[Recap/Daredevil2015S2E4PennyAndDime Penny and Dime]]". Father Lantom doesn't sugarcoat Grotto's life. [[DamnedByFaintPraise The most positive thing he can say about Grotto is reanimated.
--> '''Jack:''' What is with you, Ianto? Ever since Owen died all you've done is agree with him!
--> '''Ianto:''' My mother taught me never
that he went to speak ill of and donated to the dead, even church]], and explains to Matt afterwards that if they do most of the talking for themselves.
* ''Series/JustShootMe'', during the episode "Bye Bye Binnie":
-->'''Dennis:''' We're all sick of hearing about your drunken, slutty, stupid friend Binnie.
-->'''Nina:''' My friend Binnie is dead.
-->'''Dennis:''' Heaven just got another angel.
ignore his criminal past, there was no learning from it.



* Happened in an episode of ''Series/{{Titus}}'' where his abusive Ex died.
* Played straight in an episode of ''Series/{{Reba}}''. Reba and Brock arrive at an old bar expecting to meet their old friend, Terry, with whom there was some bad blood at their last meeting. There his brother informs them that Terry had died. Knowing their old friend's love of pulling pranks, Reba and Brock think it's a joke and yell for Terry to come out.
-->'''Brock:''' Only the good die young and he wasn't good! So where is he?
-->'''Terry's brother:''' He's dead.
-->'''Reba:''' We're so sorry for you loss.
-->'''Brock:''' He was a good man.
* Subverted on ''Series/ChicagoHope'': when one of the doctor's father dies, the doctor makes a point of assuring all of the mourners at his funeral that he thought his father was an asshole, refusing to sugarcoat his life just to make them or himself feel better. When he's alone with a friend at his father's graveside, however, he does admit that his father wasn't all bad.
* Also subverted in the ''Series/{{NCIS}}'' episode "Driven": when the death of a Navy lieutenant is believed to be a suicide, one of the men investigating insults her for her perceived cowardice.
* Parodied in ''[[YesMinister Yes, Prime Minister]]''; Prime Minister Hacker's predecessor in that office is writing his memoirs, which will be very embarrassing for Hacker, when he suddenly drops dead from a heart attack. When Hacker learns the news, and just before he remembers that he's supposed to act with dignified shock and grief, for a moment he has the biggest, happiest grin we've ever seen on his face. He manages to wipe it off sufficiently to deliver a suitably grave 'initial reaction', but later cheerfully comments that most of the dignitaries who will show up to his state funeral are only going to show up to make sure he's dead.
* The death of Judge Carl Robertson in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' subverted this. Despite humiliating Phil in an election, he agrees to do his eulogy. Phil and Will tries to do this trope, but just about everyone at his funeral has bones to pick with him and all express how they're glad he's dead. Will eventually chastises everyone for speaking ill of the dead. One of them asks who he is and Will responds that he's the one who killed him (Robertson died from a heart attack immediately after Will told him to "drop dead"). Everybody ''claps''. Will eventually gives up, saying "tough crowd".
* Subverted in ''Series/{{Misfits}}''. After Nathan has just died [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap for the first time]] (and the group do believe him to be permanently dead), Simon raises a toast "to Nathan" during the wake. Curtis simply raises his glass and says: "prick." No one objects. While they are all saddened by Nathan's seeming death, they clearly aren't about to forget what an almighty JerkAss he could be.

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* Happened ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E8FathersDay "Father's Day"]]: Rose's mum gave her a [[DeceasedParentsAreTheBest somewhat idealized]] impression of her late father. It's not like Jackie could have expected Rose would eventually find a time machine and meet him personally.
** The Doctor applies this trope to his entire species: during the classic series, he was frequently critical of the other Time Lords' complacent, bureaucratic society. Then the Time War happened
in the gap before the revival and he became the LastOfHisKind. After five years (for us) of guilt and nostalgia, the Doctor was faced with the prospect of the Time Lords actually coming back -- and immediately [[BatmanGrabsAGun grabbed a gun]], admitting he'd been choosing to remember the best of them. Turns out the War made them even ''worse'' . . .
** Interestingly, there is a subtle inversion after [[Recap/DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor "The Day of the Doctor"]] revealed that the Time Lords might not be dead after all -- Soon after, we get
an episode of ''Series/{{Titus}}'' [[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E10InTheForestOfTheNight episode]] where the Doctor says that ''Earth'' is "his world" as much as it is Clara's. Now that he no longer feels guilt over its apparent destruction, he is again free to admit that Gallifrey wasn't exactly his abusive Ex died.
favorite place in the universe.
* Played for laughs in the 2009 BBC version of ''Film/{{Emma}},'' upon the news that Mrs. Churchill (Frank's controlling aunt) has died:
-->'''Emma:''' I am so delighted at this...very tragic news.
* Played straight in an episode of ''Series/{{Reba}}''. Reba on the Israeli satire show ''Eretz Nehederet''. Real-life public figures who were formerly repeatedly mocked, such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi_Cohen MK Uzi Cohen]], mocked for his nepotism and Brock arrive at an old bar expecting to meet ineptitude, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lapid Yosef ‘Tommy’ Lapid]], mocked for being a classist and a racist, stopped receiving any flak right after their old friend, Terry, with whom there was some bad blood at their last meeting. There his brother informs them that Terry had died. Knowing their old friend's love of pulling pranks, Reba and Brock think it's a joke and yell for Terry to come out.
-->'''Brock:''' Only the good die young and he wasn't good! So where is he?
-->'''Terry's brother:''' He's dead.
-->'''Reba:''' We're so sorry for you loss.
-->'''Brock:''' He was a good man.
* Subverted on ''Series/ChicagoHope'': when one of the doctor's father dies, the doctor makes a point of assuring all of the mourners at his funeral that he thought his father was an asshole, refusing to sugarcoat his life just to make them or himself feel better. When he's alone with a friend at his father's graveside, however, he does admit that his father wasn't all bad.
* Also subverted in the ''Series/{{NCIS}}'' episode "Driven": when the
death of a Navy lieutenant is believed to be a suicide, one of the men investigating insults her for her perceived cowardice.
* Parodied
in ''[[YesMinister Yes, Prime Minister]]''; Prime Minister Hacker's predecessor in that office is writing a somewhat jarring fashion: Cohen’s only mention was after his memoirs, which will be very embarrassing for Hacker, death was when he suddenly drops then-MK Benjamin Netanyahu made fun of his ‘ugly teeth’ (while the show’s own portrayal of him was fairly caricaturesque), and Lapid’s ghost made a brief appearance at the conclusion of an argument to serve as the OnlySaneMan. Averted with figures who have been dead from a heart attack. When Hacker learns the news, and just before he remembers that he's supposed to act with dignified shock and grief, for a moment he has the biggest, happiest grin we've ever seen on his face. He manages to wipe it off sufficiently to deliver a suitably grave 'initial reaction', but later cheerfully comments that most of the dignitaries who will show up to his state funeral are only going to show up to make sure he's dead.
* The death of Judge Carl Robertson in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' subverted this. Despite humiliating Phil in an election, he agrees to do his eulogy. Phil
long time, such as Golda Meir and Will tries to do this trope, but just about everyone at his funeral has bones to pick with him and all express how they're glad he's dead. Will eventually chastises everyone for speaking ill of the dead. One of them asks who he is and Will responds that he's the one who killed him (Robertson died from a heart attack immediately after Will told him to "drop dead"). Everybody ''claps''. Will eventually gives up, saying "tough crowd".
* Subverted in ''Series/{{Misfits}}''. After Nathan has just died [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap for the first time]] (and the group do believe him to be permanently dead), Simon raises a toast "to Nathan" during the wake. Curtis simply raises his glass and says: "prick." No one objects. While they are all saddened by Nathan's seeming death, they clearly aren't about to forget what an almighty JerkAss he could be.
Moshe Dayan.



* When ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' spoofed ''Film/OverdrawnAtTheMemoryBank'' (a terrible made-for-public-television movie), it made no jokes at the expense of star Creator/RaulJulia, who died three years before (though they did pun off of his name and [[ActorAllusion reference his body of work]]. MadScientist Pearl [[EvenEvilHasStandards even calls him a "very fine actor"]].
* In the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Schizoid Man", the InsufferableGenius scientist named Ira Graves dies. During his funeral, Data (of all people) starts eulogizing him with such grand statements such as "those who knew him loved him". Not only is it weird that Data is being emotional, but also because the man was only, possibly, loved by one person and behaved like an asshole to everyone else. Since Data is an emotionless android, it's unnatural for him to lie so openly. Of course, it turns out it was really Graves himself, who has managed to upload his consciousness into Data's positronic brain.
* Spoofed in an ImagineSpot in a ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' episode. JD imagines his own wake, during which Cox finally says he loved him. At which point, JD jumps up and declares he was faking his death just to hear this. Cox then kills him for real.

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* When ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' spoofed ''Film/OverdrawnAtTheMemoryBank'' (a terrible made-for-public-television movie), it made no jokes The death of Judge Carl Robertson in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' subverted this. Despite humiliating Phil in an election, he agrees to do his eulogy. Phil and Will tries to do this trope, but just about everyone at his funeral has bones to pick with him and all express how they're glad he's dead. Will eventually chastises everyone for speaking ill of the expense dead. One of star Creator/RaulJulia, them asks who he is and Will responds that he's the one who killed him (Robertson died three years before (though from a heart attack immediately after Will told him to "drop dead"). Everybody ''claps''. Will eventually gives up, saying "tough crowd".
* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Margaery Tyrell tries to invoke this trope when King Joffrey demands to know why she didn't [[spoiler:provide an heir to Renly Baratheon while
they did pun off of his name were married]]. It doesn't work because Joffrey considers [[spoiler:Renly to be a traitor, and [[ActorAllusion reference his body therefore isn't deserving of work]]. MadScientist Pearl [[EvenEvilHasStandards any respect even calls him after death]]. Margaery then does her best to answer her betrothed's question without being too brusque about [[spoiler:Renly's homosexuality]], which is considered to be a "very fine actor"]].
sin in Westerosi society.
* In Used at first in the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Schizoid Man", finale of ''{{Series/House}}'' in the InsufferableGenius scientist named Ira Graves dies. During his title character's funeral, Data (of all people) until Wilson starts eulogizing showering him with such grand statements such as "those (mostly accurate) insults. This doesn't last long, though; House, who knew him loved him". Not only is it weird that Data is being emotional, but also because the man was only, possibly, loved by one person and behaved like an asshole to everyone else. Since Data is an emotionless android, it's unnatural for him to lie so openly. Of course, it turns out it was not really Graves himself, who has managed to upload his consciousness into Data's positronic brain.
* Spoofed in an ImagineSpot in a ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' episode. JD imagines his own wake, during which Cox finally says he loved him. At which point, JD jumps up
dead and declares he was faking his death just somehow listening, calls Wilson to hear this. Cox then kills him for real.insult ''him''.



* Played hilariously straight in ''Series/TheBobNewhartShow'', when a hated member of Dr. Hartley's group session dies suddenly, and the rest of the group(who were voting to have him kicked out of the group) were suddenly in mourning for him.

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* Played hilariously straight in ''Series/TheBobNewhartShow'', when a hated member of Dr. Hartley's group session dies suddenly, and ''Series/JustShootMe'', during the rest episode "Bye Bye Binnie":
-->'''Dennis:''' We're all sick of hearing about your drunken, slutty, stupid friend Binnie.
-->'''Nina:''' My friend Binnie is dead.
-->'''Dennis:''' Heaven just got another angel.
* In ''Series/TheKilling'', Holder nearly lashes in anger out at an officer who makes a crack about Bullet looking more like a boy than a girl (as the serial killer that targeted her only killed teenage girls), while in the morgue with her body. Of course, the first time that Holder had met Bullet, he had also mistaken her for a boy thanks to her [[ButchLesbian butch]] appearance.
* Discussed in an episode of ''{{Series/LOST}}''.
-->'''Helen:''' Don't knock the obits. It's the nicest part
of the group(who were voting to have him kicked out paper. No one ever says anything mean about people once they're dead.
-->'''Locke:''' Mm. Now here I am thinking the funnies are the nicest part
of the group) were suddenly in mourning for him.paper.



* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** Rose's mum gave her a [[DeceasedParentsAreTheBest somewhat idealized]] impression of her late father. It's not like Jackie could have expected Rose would eventually find a time machine and meet him personally.
** The Doctor applies this trope to his entire species: during the classic series, he was frequently critical of the other Time Lords' complacent, bureaucratic society. Then the Time War happened in the gap before the revival and he became the LastOfHisKind. After five years (for us) of guilt and nostalgia, the Doctor was faced with the prospect of the Time Lords actually coming back - and immediately [[BatmanGrabsAGun grabbed a gun]], admitting he'd been choosing to remember the best of them. Turns out the War made them even ''worse''...
** Interestingly, there is a subtle inversion after the 50th aniversary special revealed that the Time Lords might not be dead after all - Soon after, we get an episode where the Doctor says that ''Earth'' is "his world" as much as it is Clara's. Now that he no longer feels guilt over its apparent destruction, he is again free to admit that Gallifrey wasn't exactly his favorite place in the universe.
* Used at first in the finale of ''{{Series/House}}'' in the title character's funeral, until Wilson starts showering him with (mostly accurate) insults. This doesn't last long, though; House, who is not really dead and was somehow listening, calls Wilson to insult ''him''

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** Rose's mum gave her a [[DeceasedParentsAreTheBest somewhat idealized]] impression of her late father. It's not like Jackie could have expected Rose would eventually find a time machine and meet
Subverted in ''Series/{{Misfits}}''. After Nathan has just died [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap for the first time]] (and the group do believe him personally.
** The Doctor applies this trope
to his entire species: be permanently dead), Simon raises a toast "to Nathan" during the classic series, wake. Curtis simply raises his glass and says: "prick." No one objects. While they are all saddened by Nathan's seeming death, they clearly aren't about to forget what an almighty JerkAss he was frequently critical could be.
* On ''Series/{{Monk}}'', when Monk goes missing an is presumed dead, the Captain Stottlemeyer tearfully says good things about Monk. When Monk turns up alive he however shows his annoyances at Monk's eccentricities.
* When ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' spoofed ''Film/OverdrawnAtTheMemoryBank'' (a terrible made-for-public-television movie), it made no jokes at the expense
of star Creator/RaulJulia, who died three years before (though they did pun off of his name and [[ActorAllusion reference his body of work]]. MadScientist Pearl [[EvenEvilHasStandards even calls him a "very fine actor"]].
* Also subverted in the ''Series/{{NCIS}}'' episode "Driven": when the death of a Navy lieutenant is believed to be a suicide, one of the men investigating insults her for her perceived cowardice.
* ''Series/NotTheNineOClockNews'':
** "De mortuis nil nisi bunkum", Harold Laski. There's a sketch in which two politicians spit bile at each other so fiercely one collapses, and
the other Time Lords' complacent, bureaucratic society. Then the Time War happened in the gap before the revival and he became the LastOfHisKind. After five years (for us) of guilt and nostalgia, the Doctor was faced with the prospect of the Time Lords actually coming back - and immediately [[BatmanGrabsAGun grabbed a gun]], admitting he'd been choosing switches monologue to remember 'he was a dear friend...'
-->"THIS IS PRECISELY THE KIND OF POLITICIAN... ''*dies* '' ...who will be greatly missed."
** Oswald Mosley's death. The papers were so nice about
the best of them. Turns out the War made them even ''worse''...
** Interestingly, there is a subtle inversion after the 50th aniversary special revealed
fascist that the Time Lords might not be dead after all - Soon after, we get an episode they devoted a musical number to Mosley, dressed up as punks, where they actually read out genuine paragraphs from the Doctor says that ''Earth'' is "his world" as much as it is Clara's. Now newspapers' obituaries of him. They all said that he no longer feels guilt over its apparent destruction, he is again free to admit that Gallifrey wasn't exactly his favorite place in the universe.
* Used at first in the finale of ''{{Series/House}}'' in the title character's funeral, until Wilson starts showering him with (mostly accurate) insults. This doesn't last long, though; House, who is not really dead and
was somehow listening, calls Wilson to insult ''him''a charismatic man, a gifted speaker, a philanthropist, et cetera.



* Discussed in an episode of ''{{Series/LOST}}''.
-->'''Helen:''' Don't knock the obits. It's the nicest part of the paper. No one ever says anything mean about people once they're dead.
-->'''Locke:''' Mm. Now here I am thinking the funnies are the nicest part of the paper.

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* Discussed Played straight in an episode of ''{{Series/LOST}}''.
-->'''Helen:''' Don't knock
''Series/{{Reba}}''. Reba and Brock arrive at an old bar expecting to meet their old friend, Terry, with whom there was some bad blood at their last meeting. There his brother informs them that Terry had died. Knowing their old friend's love of pulling pranks, Reba and Brock think it's a joke and yell for Terry to come out.
-->'''Brock:''' Only
the obits. It's the nicest part of the paper. No one ever says anything mean about people once they're good die young and he wasn't good! So where is he?
-->'''Terry's brother:''' He's
dead.
-->'''Locke:''' Mm. Now here I am thinking the funnies are the nicest part of the paper.-->'''Reba:''' We're so sorry for you loss.
-->'''Brock:''' He was a good man.
* Spoofed in an ImagineSpot in a ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' episode. JD imagines his own wake, during which Cox finally says he loved him. At which point, JD jumps up and declares he was faking his death just to hear this. Cox then kills him for real.



* After the death of [[Series/AmericanHorrorStoryCoven Fiona]] [[VillainProtagonist Goode]], the other witches of the coven describe her as a "great [[TheArchmage Supreme]]", "a lot to live up to" and "one of the best", even though she plotted to murdered all of them. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] by her own daughter, Cordelia, who acknowledges she was the worst thing to ever happen to the coven.

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* After In the death of [[Series/AmericanHorrorStoryCoven Fiona]] [[VillainProtagonist Goode]], ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Schizoid Man", the other witches InsufferableGenius scientist named Ira Graves dies. During his funeral, Data (of all people) starts eulogizing him with such grand statements such as "those who knew him loved him". Not only is it weird that Data is being emotional, but also because the man was only, possibly, loved by one person and behaved like an asshole to everyone else. Since Data is an emotionless android, it's unnatural for him to lie so openly. Of course, it turns out it was really Graves himself, who has managed to upload his consciousness into Data's positronic brain.
* Happened in an episode of ''Series/{{Titus}}'' where his abusive Ex died.
* Played with a little bit in ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'', after Owen dies and then is reanimated.
--> '''Jack:''' What is with you, Ianto? Ever since Owen died all you've done is agree with him!
--> '''Ianto:''' My mother taught me never to speak ill
of the coven describe her as a "great [[TheArchmage Supreme]]", "a lot to live up to" and "one dead, even if they do most of the best", even though she plotted to murdered all of them. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] by her own daughter, Cordelia, who acknowledges she was the worst thing to ever happen to the coven.talking for themselves.



* In ''Series/TheKilling'', Holder nearly lashes in anger out at an officer who makes a crack about Bullet looking more like a boy than a girl (as the serial killer that targeted her only killed teenage girls), while in the morgue with her body. Of course, the first time that Holder had met Bullet, he had also mistaken her for a boy thanks to her [[ButchLesbian butch]] appearance.
* Played straight on the Israeli satire show ''Eretz Nehederet''. Real-life public figures who were formerly repeatedly mocked, such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi_Cohen MK Uzi Cohen]], mocked for his nepotism and ineptitude, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lapid Yosef ‘Tommy’ Lapid]], mocked for being a classist and a racist, stopped receiving any flak right after their death in a somewhat jarring fashion: Cohen’s only mention was after his death was when then-MK Benjamin Netanyahu made fun of his ‘ugly teeth’ (while the show’s own portrayal of him was fairly caricaturesque), and Lapid’s ghost made a brief appearance at the conclusion of an argument to serve as the OnlySaneMan. Averted with figures who have been dead for a long time, such as Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_2_(Israel) Israeli Channel 2]] once held a ‘ceremony’ giving the ‘Golden Jackass’ award for embarrassing quotes by public figures, aired before Cohen’s death (see above). Cohen had a few quotes in there, such as trying to tell some swans he had imported to a local zoo to ‘Come here, come here’ in English because ‘That’s where they’re from.’ (They were imported from the Netherlands.) After his death, the ‘ceremony’ was aired again, with his quotes edited out and his image replaced with a generic human silhouette, similar to the one Website/{{Facebook}} uses in lieu of absent profile pictures. It was very jarring to watch, especially for those who’d watched the original version.
* Played for laughs in the 2009 BBC version of ''Film/{{Emma}},'' upon the news that Mrs. Churchill (Frank's controlling aunt) has died:
-->'''Emma:''' I am so delighted at this...very tragic news.
* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': PlayedForLaughs. When Amanda Waller dies, Oliver and Lyla (who were both employed by her at various points) solemnly raise a toast in her memory. Everyone else looks on, a little bewildered, which Felicity underlines when she mentions the time Waller tried to bomb the entire city to kill a couple dozen {{Super Soldier}}s.
* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Elliott "Grotto" Grote, a smalltime Irish mob grunt, is killed by the Punisher, despite Nelson & Murdock's best efforts to protect him. Out of respect for his life, Matt, Karen and Foggy have a private memorial service for him in "[[Recap/Daredevil2015S2E4PennyAndDime Penny and Dime]]". Father Lantom doesn't sugarcoat Grotto's life. [[DamnedByFaintPraise The most positive thing he can say about Grotto is that he went to and donated to the church]], and explains to Matt afterwards that if they ignore his criminal past, there was no learning from it.

to:

* In ''Series/TheKilling'', Holder nearly lashes Parodied in anger out at an officer who makes a crack about Bullet looking more like a boy than a girl (as the serial killer ''[[YesMinister Yes, Prime Minister]]''; Prime Minister Hacker's predecessor in that targeted her only killed teenage girls), while in the morgue with her body. Of course, the first time that Holder had met Bullet, he had also mistaken her for a boy thanks to her [[ButchLesbian butch]] appearance.
* Played straight on the Israeli satire show ''Eretz Nehederet''. Real-life public figures who were formerly repeatedly mocked, such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi_Cohen MK Uzi Cohen]], mocked for
office is writing his nepotism and ineptitude, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lapid Yosef ‘Tommy’ Lapid]], mocked for being a classist and a racist, stopped receiving any flak right after their death in a somewhat jarring fashion: Cohen’s only mention was after his death was when then-MK Benjamin Netanyahu made fun of his ‘ugly teeth’ (while the show’s own portrayal of him was fairly caricaturesque), and Lapid’s ghost made a brief appearance at the conclusion of an argument to serve as the OnlySaneMan. Averted with figures who have been dead for a long time, such as Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_2_(Israel) Israeli Channel 2]] once held a ‘ceremony’ giving the ‘Golden Jackass’ award for
memoirs, which will be very embarrassing quotes by public figures, aired for Hacker, when he suddenly drops dead from a heart attack. When Hacker learns the news, and just before Cohen’s death (see above). Cohen had a few quotes in there, such as trying he remembers that he's supposed to tell some swans he had imported to a local zoo to ‘Come here, come here’ in English because ‘That’s where they’re from.’ (They were imported from the Netherlands.) After his death, the ‘ceremony’ was aired again, act with dignified shock and grief, for a moment he has the biggest, happiest grin we've ever seen on his quotes edited out and his image replaced with a generic human silhouette, similar face. He manages to the one Website/{{Facebook}} uses in lieu of absent profile pictures. It was very jarring wipe it off sufficiently to watch, especially for those who’d watched the original version.
* Played for laughs in the 2009 BBC version of ''Film/{{Emma}},'' upon the news
deliver a suitably grave 'initial reaction', but later cheerfully comments that Mrs. Churchill (Frank's controlling aunt) has died:
-->'''Emma:''' I am so delighted at this...very tragic news.
* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': PlayedForLaughs. When Amanda Waller dies, Oliver and Lyla (who were both employed by her at various points) solemnly raise a toast in her memory. Everyone else looks on, a little bewildered, which Felicity underlines when she mentions the time Waller tried to bomb the entire city to kill a couple dozen {{Super Soldier}}s.
* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Elliott "Grotto" Grote, a smalltime Irish mob grunt, is killed by the Punisher, despite Nelson & Murdock's best efforts to protect him. Out of respect for his life, Matt, Karen and Foggy have a private memorial service for him in "[[Recap/Daredevil2015S2E4PennyAndDime Penny and Dime]]". Father Lantom doesn't sugarcoat Grotto's life. [[DamnedByFaintPraise The
most positive thing he can say about Grotto is that he went to and donated to of the church]], and explains dignitaries who will show up to Matt afterwards that if they ignore his criminal past, there was no learning from it.state funeral are only going to show up to make sure he's dead.
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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Elliott "Grotto" Grote, a smalltime Irish mob grunt, is killed by the Punisher, despite Nelson & Murdock's best efforts to protect him. Out of respect for his life, Matt, Karen and Foggy have a private memorial service for him. During the eulogy, Father Lantom doesn't sugarcoat Grotto's life. [[DamnedByFaintPraise The most positive thing he can say about Grotto is that he went to and donated to the church]], and explains to Matt afterwards that if they ignore his criminal past, there was no learning from it.

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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Elliott "Grotto" Grote, a smalltime Irish mob grunt, is killed by the Punisher, despite Nelson & Murdock's best efforts to protect him. Out of respect for his life, Matt, Karen and Foggy have a private memorial service for him. During the eulogy, him in "[[Recap/Daredevil2015S2E4PennyAndDime Penny and Dime]]". Father Lantom doesn't sugarcoat Grotto's life. [[DamnedByFaintPraise The most positive thing he can say about Grotto is that he went to and donated to the church]], and explains to Matt afterwards that if they ignore his criminal past, there was no learning from it.
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