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13th Jan '17 3:27:47 PM dmcreif
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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Elliott "Grotto" Grote, a smalltime Irish mob grunt, is killed by the Punisher, despite Nelson & Murdock's best efforts to protect him. Out of respect for his life, Matt, Karen and Foggy have a private memorial service for him. During the eulogy, Father Lantom doesn't sugarcoat Grotto's life. [[DamnedByFaintPraise The most positive thing he can say about Grotto is that he went to and donated to the church]], and explains to Matt afterwards that if they ignore his criminal past, there was no learning from it.

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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Elliott "Grotto" Grote, a smalltime Irish mob grunt, is killed by the Punisher, despite Nelson & Murdock's best efforts to protect him. Out of respect for his life, Matt, Karen and Foggy have a private memorial service for him. During the eulogy, him in "[[Recap/Daredevil2015S2E4PennyAndDime Penny and Dime]]". Father Lantom doesn't sugarcoat Grotto's life. [[DamnedByFaintPraise The most positive thing he can say about Grotto is that he went to and donated to the church]], and explains to Matt afterwards that if they ignore his criminal past, there was no learning from it.
27th Dec '16 9:53:30 PM Gamermaster
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* ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'': In Part 2, when Wamuu dies, Kars dismisses his defeat as being a result of his sense of honor. Then a group of vampires start mocking Wamuu... and Kars promptly slaughters the lot, making his real feelings on the matter apparent.

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* ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'': ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'': In Part 2, when Wamuu dies, Kars dismisses his defeat as being a result of his sense of honor. Then a group of vampires start mocking Wamuu... and Kars promptly slaughters the lot, making his real feelings on the matter apparent.
6th Dec '16 7:30:43 PM dmcreif
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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Elliott "Grotto" Grote, a smalltime Irish mob grunt, is killed by the Punisher, despite Nelson & Murdock's best efforts to protect him. Out of respect for his life, Matt, Karen and Foggy have a private memorial service for him. During the eulogy, Father Lantom doesn't sugarcoat Grotto's life. [[DamnedByFaintPraise The most positive thing he can say about Grotto is that he went to and donated to the church]], and explains to Matt afterwards that if they ignore his criminal past, there was no learning from it.
21st Nov '16 10:45:51 AM jccw227
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* In ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', as word gets out about Superman's death one prison inmate rejoices, but he's quickly shut up by several others because [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes Superman had saved a few of their relatives.]] Also with Cat Grant's son, Adam, who was indifferent to Superman, saying he thought "he was a big weenie", is promptly chewed out by Cat's boyfriend, Jose Delgado, over it.
17th Nov '16 3:51:12 AM nighttrainfm
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* ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' and Niles' mother Hester is often remembered in the best possible light by them (and Martin) as a compassionate, considerate, cultured and down-to-earth woman. There is the occasional hint that this view is not entirely accurate; she had a brief affair, it is sometimes implied that her method of raising the boys was ultimately damaging to them, and (if her appearance on ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' is anything to go by) she could be outright hostile to Frasier's love interests. However, it's also made clear that, regardless of her faults, she ''was'' a loving mother and wife to her family, which explains why they choose to remember her fondly.

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* ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' and ''Series/{{Frasier}}'':
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Niles' mother Hester is often remembered in the best possible light by them (and Martin) as a compassionate, considerate, cultured and down-to-earth woman. There is the occasional hint that this view is not entirely accurate; she had a brief affair, it is sometimes implied that her method of raising the boys was ultimately damaging to them, and (if her appearance on ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' is anything to go by) she could be outright hostile to Frasier's love interests. However, it's also made clear that, regardless of her faults, she ''was'' a loving mother and wife to her family, which explains why they choose to remember her fondly.



** Frasier also struggles with this when he has to give the eulogy for his Aunt Louise; everyone in the family agrees she was mean-spirited and overcritical, but he doesn't want to badmouth her at the funeral ''or'' outright lie. He ends up engaging in some ExactWords, and then segues [[TwoLinesNoWaiting into a song his Dad wrote to Frank Sinatra]].

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** Frasier also struggles with this when he has to give the eulogy for his Aunt Louise; everyone Louise. Everyone in the family agrees she was mean-spirited and overcritical, but he doesn't want to badmouth her at the funeral ''or'' outright lie. He ends up engaging in some ExactWords, and then segues [[TwoLinesNoWaiting into a song his Dad wrote to Frank Sinatra]].
13th Nov '16 4:57:36 PM Discar
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-->'''Emma:''' "I am so delighted at this...very tragic news."

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-->'''Emma:''' "I I am so delighted at this...very tragic news." news.
* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': PlayedForLaughs. When Amanda Waller dies, Oliver and Lyla (who were both employed by her at various points) solemnly raise a toast in her memory. Everyone else looks on, a little bewildered, which Felicity underlines when she mentions the time Waller tried to bomb the entire city to kill a couple dozen {{Super Soldier}}s.
17th Oct '16 11:42:45 AM SaraJaye
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* Abby on ''Series/DawsonsCreek''. While alive, she was a Libby-esque bad girl who proved to be a bad influence on a lonely Jen. Then she died, and all of Capeside tried to make her seem like she was really a good person.

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* Abby on ''Series/DawsonsCreek''. While alive, she was a Libby-esque bad girl who proved to be a bad influence on a lonely Jen. Then she died, and all of Capeside tried to make her seem like she was really a good person. Jen ends up giving a huge TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to her classmates for being two-faced liars who didn't know the ''real'' Abby, the one who was her best friend.
10th Oct '16 5:00:30 PM karstovich2
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** Another interpretation of Harah's reaction is that the Fremen do not mourn the dead for long and see it as a natural consequence, even if it's death by single combat rather than the environment. (This may be Herbert showing his work: the Middle Eastern cultures from which the Fremen descend tend to have relatively short mourning periods--in Islam, the funeral is supposed to take place either immediately or the day after the person dies, and the actual mourning period is three days--although widows tend to get a few months of mourning, making this somewhat different.)

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** Another interpretation of Harah's reaction is that the Fremen do not mourn the dead for long and see it as a natural consequence, even if it's death by single combat rather than the environment. (This may be Herbert showing his work: the Middle Eastern cultures from which the Fremen descend tend to have relatively short mourning periods--in Islam, the funeral is supposed to take place either immediately or the day after the person dies, and the actual mourning period is three days--although widows tend to get a few months of mourning, making mourning--in part to make sure that the widow isn't pregnant with the deceased husband's child, but also because, you know, losing your husband is usually hard--making this somewhat different.)
11th Sep '16 9:54:16 PM PaulA
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* Being a [[EndersGame Speaker for the Dead]] is all about averting it. OrsonScottCard was irritated at the prevalent use of this trope in RealLife funerals and wanted someone to tell the ''truth'' about a dead person for once: that the deceased had bad moments as well as good ones. However, it's played more-or-less straight when Ender (in [[TitleDrop the titular role]]) finally tells the full truth about a LoveMartyr who became a bitter, angry man over the lie he had to live.

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* Being a [[EndersGame Speaker for In ''Literature/SpeakerForTheDead'', the Dead]] eponymous occupation is all about averting it. OrsonScottCard Creator/OrsonScottCard was irritated at the prevalent use of this trope in RealLife funerals and wanted someone to tell the ''truth'' about a dead person for once: that the deceased had bad moments as well as good ones. However, it's played more-or-less straight when Ender (in [[TitleDrop the titular role]]) finally tells the full truth about a LoveMartyr who became a bitter, angry man over the lie he had to live.
4th Sep '16 1:10:20 PM nombretomado
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* In the third AnneOfGreenGables book, ''Anne of the Island'', this trope is hilariously called into question by Anne's adopted brother Davy.

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* In the third AnneOfGreenGables Literature/AnneOfGreenGables book, ''Anne of the Island'', this trope is hilariously called into question by Anne's adopted brother Davy.



* In A Song of Ice and Fire, Eddard Stark regards Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent, and Gerold Hightower as being honorable knights even though they kept his sister prisoner and killed eight of his friends when he tried to get her back.

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* In A Song of Ice and Fire, ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', Eddard Stark regards Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent, and Gerold Hightower as being honorable knights even though they kept his sister prisoner and killed eight of his friends when he tried to get her back.
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