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22nd Dec '17 7:31:16 PM nombretomado
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* Played with and inverted in ''Radio/TheMaryWhitehouseExperience Encyclopaedia'' in an entry about NevilleChamberlain. It says that is is wrong and unfair to condemn him, with the benefit of hindsight, for failing to appreciate how dangerous Hitler was. Far better to condemn him for sexually abusing animals, which isn't true, but he's dead so he can't sue.

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* Played with and inverted in ''Radio/TheMaryWhitehouseExperience Encyclopaedia'' in an entry about NevilleChamberlain.UsefulNotes/NevilleChamberlain. It says that is is wrong and unfair to condemn him, with the benefit of hindsight, for failing to appreciate how dangerous Hitler was. Far better to condemn him for sexually abusing animals, which isn't true, but he's dead so he can't sue.
25th Oct '17 5:17:52 PM nombretomado
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* ''ChoppingBlock'' lampshades this with one comic where Butch shows up at a funeral.

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* ''ChoppingBlock'' ''Webcomic/ChoppingBlock'' lampshades this with one comic where Butch shows up at a funeral.



* In ''WebComic/Persona4TW'' Chie ''tries'' to invoke this trope when Mr. Morooka (aka King Moron) is murdered. Yukiko will have none of it.

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* In ''WebComic/Persona4TW'' ''Webcomic/Persona4TW'' Chie ''tries'' to invoke this trope when Mr. Morooka (aka King Moron) is murdered. Yukiko will have none of it.
22nd Oct '17 2:15:18 AM GentlemensDame883
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* Music/LinkinPark's "Leave Out All The Rest" has the narrator urging the listener to "Forget the wrong that I've done" and to "help [him]leave behind some reason to be missed" while "[Leaving] out all the rest".
15th Oct '17 2:04:40 PM Malady
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* Played with and inverted in ''TheMaryWhitehouseExperience Encyclopaedia'' in an entry about NevilleChamberlain. It says that is is wrong and unfair to condemn him, with the benefit of hindsight, for failing to appreciate how dangerous Hitler was. Far better to condemn him for sexually abusing animals, which isn't true, but he's dead so he can't sue.

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* Played with and inverted in ''TheMaryWhitehouseExperience ''Radio/TheMaryWhitehouseExperience Encyclopaedia'' in an entry about NevilleChamberlain. It says that is is wrong and unfair to condemn him, with the benefit of hindsight, for failing to appreciate how dangerous Hitler was. Far better to condemn him for sexually abusing animals, which isn't true, but he's dead so he can't sue.



* ''Series/AmericanHorrorStoryCoven'': After the death of [[VillainProtagonist Fiona Goode]], the other witches of the coven describe her as a "great [[TheArchmage Supreme]]", "a lot to live up to" and "one of the best", even though she plotted to murder all of them. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] by her own daughter, Cordelia, who acknowledges she was the worst thing to ever happen to the coven.

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* ''Series/AmericanHorrorStoryCoven'': After the death of [[VillainProtagonist Fiona Goode]], the other witches of the coven describe her as a "great [[TheArchmage Supreme]]", "a lot to live up to" and "one of the best", even though she plotted to murder all of them. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] {{Subverted|Trope}} by her own daughter, Cordelia, who acknowledges she was the worst thing to ever happen to the coven.
27th Sep '17 1:36:03 PM priestessofdan
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* ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' subverts this trope with Albus Dumbledore, who was [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince the previous book's]] AnyoneCanDie victim. After his death, Rita Skeeter jumps on the chance to write about the revelations surrounding the deceased's past, such as his deceased sister and his [[WordOfGay romantic fling]] with Gellert Grindelwald, and the deceased's involvement in the creation of Grindelwald's [[PuttingOnTheReich Nazi ideals.]]. Amazingly, Voldemort uses both angles to his advantage; one to discredit Dumbledore, the other to officially label Harry a possible suspect for the deceased's murder, turning most of the wizarding world against Harry once again and forcing him to go on the run.
** Harry had to go on the run more because the ministry had been overrun by Death Eaters who were out to kill him than for anything else.

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* ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' subverts this trope with Albus Dumbledore, who was [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince the previous book's]] AnyoneCanDie victim. After his death, Rita Skeeter jumps on the chance to write about the revelations surrounding the deceased's past, such as his deceased sister and his [[WordOfGay romantic fling]] with Gellert Grindelwald, and the deceased's involvement in the creation of Grindelwald's [[PuttingOnTheReich Nazi ideals.]]. Amazingly, Voldemort uses both angles to his advantage; one to discredit Dumbledore, the other to officially label Harry a possible suspect for the deceased's murder, turning most legitimizing the Ministry's pursuit of the wizarding world against Harry once again and forcing him to go on the run.
** Harry had to go on the run more because the ministry had been overrun by Death Eaters who were out to kill him than for anything else.
Boy-Who-Lived.
23rd Sep '17 9:47:59 AM lillolillo
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* Thunderbird in the ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}''. He died tragically in his second mission with the team, and it was pretty hard on them because they had never really suffered a loss before. For some reason it made them all forget how he badmouthed the rest of the team, was surly all the time, participated with an extreme form of TeethClenchedTeamwork, and probably would have ultimately been a negative influence on the group had he not died.
** Wow, being that accomplished a JerkAss after just one mission? The guy had talent!
** Not to mention that his death was a result of his own hot-headedness.
*** That said, in the Chaos Wars event, when some of the dead X-Men were temporarily resurrected he did call himself out on being a smug jerk and barely contributing anything to the team. His personality improved dramatically and successfully led his team against the Chaos King's minion. When his time was up, he was truly grateful for the short time he had back on Earth.
* [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Stephanie Brown's]] father was a super villain who died on a mission with the Suicide Squad. Steph got kind of mad that her mom was willing to forgive him posthumously. We later find out that the reason he joined the Suicide Squad was try to make his daughter proud of him. [[DeathIsCheap He later turns up alive though]], mourning the death of his daughter. [[spoiler:Who also [[FakingTheDead didn't really die]].]]

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* Thunderbird in the ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}''.''Franchise/XMen''. He died tragically in his second mission with the team, and it was pretty hard on them because they had never really suffered a loss before. For some reason it made them all forget how he badmouthed the rest of the team, was surly all the time, participated with an extreme form of TeethClenchedTeamwork, and probably would have ultimately been a negative influence on the group had he not died.
** Wow, being that accomplished a JerkAss after just one mission? The guy had talent!
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died. Not to mention that his death was a result of his own hot-headedness.
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hot-headedness. That said, in the Chaos Wars event, when some of the dead X-Men were temporarily resurrected he did call himself out on being a smug jerk and barely contributing anything to the team. His personality improved dramatically and successfully led his team against the Chaos King's minion. When his time was up, he was truly grateful for the short time he had back on Earth.
* [[Franchise/{{Batman}} ''[[ComicBook/Batgirl2009 Stephanie Brown's]] Brown]]'''s father was a super villain who died on a mission with the Suicide Squad. Steph got kind of mad that her mom was willing to forgive him posthumously. We later find out that the reason he joined the Suicide Squad was try to make his daughter proud of him. [[DeathIsCheap He later turns up alive though]], mourning the death of his daughter. [[spoiler:Who also [[FakingTheDead didn't really die]].]]



* Played straight with Professor X. After dying against Cyclops, everyone put aside that he could be a hypocrite when it came to abusing his powers and at times resorted to a number of morally questionable actions. Instead all the heroes at his funeral and after, were praising what a great guy he was and even Captain America told Cyclops to his face that he killed "one of the most decent men I have ever met". After the Phoenix 5 event, a lot of X-Men (besides Wolverine) and even quite a few Avengers wanted to get a shot at Cyclops for killing Xavier with Hawkeye threatening to shoot Cyclops in the head if he didn't stand down. Justified in that while Xavier did a lot of jerkwad things, he did repent his actions and paid for his actions by going through a humiliation conga line. Plus outside of Doc Samson, he's pretty much the go-to guy for superheroes in need of psychological help - more than a few superheroes had their sanities saved by him.

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* Played straight with Professor X. After dying against Cyclops, Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}, everyone put aside that he could be a hypocrite when it came to abusing his powers and at times resorted to a number of morally questionable actions. Instead all the heroes at his funeral and after, were praising what a great guy he was and even Captain America told Cyclops to his face that he killed "one of the most decent men I have ever met". After the Phoenix 5 event, a lot of X-Men (besides Wolverine) and even quite a few Avengers wanted to get a shot at Cyclops for killing Xavier with Hawkeye threatening to shoot Cyclops in the head if he didn't stand down. Justified in that while Xavier did a lot of jerkwad things, he did repent his actions and paid for his actions by going through a humiliation conga line. Plus outside of Doc Samson, he's pretty much the go-to guy for superheroes in need of psychological help - more than a few superheroes had their sanities saved by him.



* In ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', as word gets out about Superman's death one prison inmate rejoices, but he's quickly shut up by several others because [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes Superman had saved a few of their relatives.]] Also with Cat Grant's son, Adam, who was indifferent to Superman, saying he thought "he was a big weenie", is promptly chewed out by Cat's boyfriend, Jose Delgado, over it.

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* In ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', as word gets out about Superman's Franchise/{{Superman}}'s death one prison inmate rejoices, but he's quickly shut up by several others because [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes Superman had saved a few of their relatives.]] Also with Cat Grant's son, Adam, who was indifferent to Superman, saying he thought "he was a big weenie", is promptly chewed out by Cat's boyfriend, Jose Delgado, over it.



* In the ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Star Trek Deep Space Nine]]'' [[Literature/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch Relaunch,]] a character informs Nog and Sam Bowers that she mourns for a cadre of Jem'Hadar, or at least most of them: "I miss First, I miss Second, I miss Fourth...I do not miss Third". Upon this last comment, Nog mutters "yeah, good riddance". Bowers elbows him, even though the Founder evidently won't mind, given that she's just stated she didn't like the Third.

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* In the ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Star Trek Deep Space Nine]]'' ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' [[Literature/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch Relaunch,]] a character informs Nog and Sam Bowers that she mourns for a cadre of Jem'Hadar, or at least most of them: "I miss First, I miss Second, I miss Fourth...I do not miss Third". Upon this last comment, Nog mutters "yeah, good riddance". Bowers elbows him, even though the Founder evidently won't mind, given that she's just stated she didn't like the Third.



** In TheShatteringPreludeToCataclysm, this happens between [[spoiler:Garrosh Hellscream and Baine Bloodhoof]]. The two constantly disagree while [[spoiler:Cairne]] is alive, but after [[spoiler:Garrosh kills Cairne in a duel to the death, partly the result of his weapon being poisoned]], he laments not being able to defeat him fairly and remembers him as honorable. This exchange between Anduin and Varian averts it.

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** In TheShatteringPreludeToCataclysm, ''Literature/TheShatteringPreludeToCataclysm'', this happens between [[spoiler:Garrosh Hellscream and Baine Bloodhoof]]. The two constantly disagree while [[spoiler:Cairne]] is alive, but after [[spoiler:Garrosh kills Cairne in a duel to the death, partly the result of his weapon being poisoned]], he laments not being able to defeat him fairly and remembers him as honorable. This exchange between Anduin and Varian averts it.
22nd Sep '17 4:00:29 PM nighttrainfm
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* The death of Judge Carl Robertson in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' subverted this. Despite humiliating Phil in an election, he agrees to do his eulogy, as Robertson had mentored Phil when he was starting out (which is a big reason why his savage campaign hurt Phil so much). Phil and Will tries to do this trope, but just about everyone at his funeral has bones to pick with him and all express how they're glad he's dead. Will eventually chastises everyone for speaking ill of the dead. One of them asks who he is and Will responds that he's the one who killed him (Robertson died from a heart attack immediately after Will told him to "drop dead"). Everybody ''claps''. Will eventually gives up, saying "tough crowd".

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* The death of Judge Carl Robertson in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' subverted this. Despite humiliating Phil in an election, he agrees to do his eulogy, as Robertson had mentored Phil when he was starting out (which is a big reason why his savage campaign hurt Phil so much). Phil and Will tries to do this trope, but just about everyone at his funeral has bones to pick with him and all express how they're glad he's dead. Will eventually chastises everyone for speaking ill of the dead. One of them asks who he is and Will responds that he's the one who killed him (Robertson died from a heart attack immediately after Will told him to "drop dead"). Everybody ''claps''. Will eventually gives up, saying "tough crowd".room".
21st Sep '17 6:14:47 AM kyojikasshu
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* The death of Judge Carl Robertson in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' subverted this. Despite humiliating Phil in an election, he agrees to do his eulogy. Phil and Will tries to do this trope, but just about everyone at his funeral has bones to pick with him and all express how they're glad he's dead. Will eventually chastises everyone for speaking ill of the dead. One of them asks who he is and Will responds that he's the one who killed him (Robertson died from a heart attack immediately after Will told him to "drop dead"). Everybody ''claps''. Will eventually gives up, saying "tough crowd".

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* The death of Judge Carl Robertson in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' subverted this. Despite humiliating Phil in an election, he agrees to do his eulogy.eulogy, as Robertson had mentored Phil when he was starting out (which is a big reason why his savage campaign hurt Phil so much). Phil and Will tries to do this trope, but just about everyone at his funeral has bones to pick with him and all express how they're glad he's dead. Will eventually chastises everyone for speaking ill of the dead. One of them asks who he is and Will responds that he's the one who killed him (Robertson died from a heart attack immediately after Will told him to "drop dead"). Everybody ''claps''. Will eventually gives up, saying "tough crowd".
20th Sep '17 11:50:56 PM PaulA
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* Music/TomLehrer in "National Brotherhood Week"
-->''It's fun to eulogize\\
The people you despise\\
As long as you don't let 'em in your school.''
12th Sep '17 6:26:50 PM ZerroDefex
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* Played with in ''Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures'' when an undead character with no memory of their past life meets a character who knew them and actually witnessed their death. He is surprisingly thrilled when the later admits that he was a jerk in his past life.
-->"Do you know how hard it is to find an honest obituary? You'd think that I spent my weekends rescuing orphans from the sound of them."
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