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11th Nov '17 1:58:27 PM NoxSky12599
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* The finale of ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'' is surprisingly silent on this subject. While the [[FinishingMove Wuxi Finger Hold]] is never expressly claimed to be fatal, the reactions of Po and Tai Lung (and Shifu's expression when he threatens to use it) all suggest it is at least likely to batter someone to a pulp, if not unsurvivable--and the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything suspiciously-shaped cloud]] after Po uses it would suggest there isn't anything left. Whether to avoid the typical DisneyVillainDeath, as a SequelHook, or because the snow leopard is just too badass to kill off, however, [[spoiler:his death--if such it was--[[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome happens off-screen]]... so it all becomes moot, due to this trope. And since Po's excited words to Shifu are "I defeated Tai Lung!" not "I killed him," then…]] For the record, [[spoiler: Tai Lung does not appear in [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda2 the sequel]], nor is there any evidence of him still being alive. However, WordOfGod has cheekily refused to confirm it either way]].
* It's finally revealed what happened to Tai Lung in ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda3''. [[spoiler: While Tai Lung himself never appears, this express purpose of the Wuxi Finger Hold is to banish those it's used on to the spirit realm (where BigBad Kai comes from). By all technicalities, Tai Lung is dead, but his spirit very likely still exists somewhere within the spirit realm.]]

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* The finale of ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'' is surprisingly silent on this subject. While the [[FinishingMove Wuxi Finger Hold]] is never expressly claimed to be fatal, the reactions of Po and Tai Lung (and Shifu's expression when he threatens to use it) all suggest it is at least likely to batter someone to a pulp, if not unsurvivable--and the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything suspiciously-shaped cloud]] after Po uses it would suggest there isn't anything left. Whether to avoid the typical DisneyVillainDeath, as a SequelHook, or because the snow leopard is just too badass to kill off, however, [[spoiler:his death--if such it was--[[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome happens off-screen]]... so it all becomes moot, due to this trope. And since Po's excited words to Shifu are "I defeated Tai Lung!" not "I killed him," then…]] For the record, [[spoiler: Tai Lung does not appear in [[WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda2 the sequel]], nor is there any evidence of him still being alive. However, WordOfGod has cheekily refused to confirm it either way]].
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It's finally revealed what happened to Tai Lung in ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda3''. [[spoiler: While Tai Lung himself never appears, this It turns out the express purpose of the Wuxi Finger Hold is to banish those it's used on to the [[SpiritWorld spirit realm]] (where [[BigBad Kai]] comes from). A FreezeFrameBonus shot reveals that Tai Lung was one of the masters in the spirit realm (where BigBad Kai comes from). By all technicalities, Tai Lung captured and drained of their chi. Whether this counts as "dead" is dead, but his spirit very likely debatable, since Po was still exists somewhere within able to return to the spirit realm.real world after having used the Wuxi Finger Hold on himself.]]
11th Nov '17 1:45:36 PM NoxSky12599
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* Seemingly averted when [[ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes Calvin's dad]] once told the story ''Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablouie'' with a different ending, at least judging by the way that Hobbes afterwards remarked that "They never found Hamster Huey's body..."
9th Nov '17 1:41:25 PM icyblue87
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** A similar thing happens later with [[spoiler:Mad-Eye Moody]] in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows''. Special attention is given to the fact that his body is never found, and Ron even suggests he might really be alive. [[spoiler:Then they find his eye...]]

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** A similar thing happens later with [[spoiler:Mad-Eye Moody]] in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows''. Special attention is given to the fact that his body is never found, and Ron even suggests he might really be alive. [[spoiler:Then [[spoiler:[[FinallyFoundTheBody Then they find his eye...]]]]]]
31st Oct '17 7:56:11 PM darkemyst
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** Subverted with [[spoiler:Sirius Black]], whose body was never found, leading many fans to believe he was still alive. Turns out he really was dead. Specifically, [[spoiler:Sirius' body was never found because his body was ''physically transferred to the afterlife'']], which is not a survivable or reversible event even ''if'' the spell he was hit by seconds earlier was non-lethal.
** A similar thing happens later with [[spoiler:Mad-Eye Moody]]. Special attention is given to the fact that his body is never found, and Ron even suggests he might really be alive. [[spoiler:Then they find his eye...]]

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** Subverted with [[spoiler:Sirius Black]], Black]] in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', whose body was never found, leading many fans to believe he was still alive. Turns out he really was dead. Specifically, [[spoiler:Sirius' body was never found because his body was ''physically transferred to the afterlife'']], which is not a survivable or reversible event even ''if'' the spell he was hit by seconds earlier was non-lethal.
** A similar thing happens later with [[spoiler:Mad-Eye Moody]].Moody]] in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows''. Special attention is given to the fact that his body is never found, and Ron even suggests he might really be alive. [[spoiler:Then they find his eye...]]
26th Oct '17 7:05:55 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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No matter how all laws of physics and biology indicate NoOneCouldSurviveThat, [[GenreSavvy remember]], this old rule trumps all: "[[NotQuiteDead Never count someone dead unless you have the body in front of you]]." (And in some cases, [[BackFromTheDead not even then]].)

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No matter how all laws of physics and biology indicate NoOneCouldSurviveThat, [[GenreSavvy remember]], remember, this old rule trumps all: "[[NotQuiteDead Never count someone dead unless you have the body in front of you]]." (And in some cases, [[BackFromTheDead not even then]].)



** In episode 31, the bus where three workers of the Institute commuted crashed. The police believed they died, but Prof. Yumi refused to believe that because their bodies were not found. He was pretty GenreSavvy.

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** In episode 31, the bus where three workers of the Institute commuted crashed. The police believed they died, but Prof. Yumi refused to believe that because their bodies were not found. He was pretty GenreSavvy.



* ''Anime/DragonBallZCoolersRevenge'': Cooler is GenreSavvy enough to invoke this; when Goku takes a direct hit from his EyeBeams and falls into a river, he orders his [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Armored Squadron]] to hunt him down. Even after they raze an entire landscape with {{Beam Spam}}s, Cooler isn't convinced and orders them to search every last inch of the area until they find him.

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* ''Anime/DragonBallZCoolersRevenge'': Cooler is GenreSavvy enough to invoke invokes this; when Goku takes a direct hit from his EyeBeams and falls into a river, he orders his [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Armored Squadron]] to hunt him down. Even after they raze an entire landscape with {{Beam Spam}}s, Cooler isn't convinced and orders them to search every last inch of the area until they find him.



* Franchise/TheFlash has often been one of the more GenreSavvy superheroes, and this is no exception. In one issue, the villainous Kadabra is caught in an explosion. A cop says, "There's no body. The blast must have incinerated the corpse. Guess that's the last we've seen of him." Flash looks like him like he's an idiot and responds "you're new to this supervillain thing, aren't you?"

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* Franchise/TheFlash has often been one of the more GenreSavvy superheroes, and this is no exception. In one issue, the villainous Kadabra is caught in an explosion. A cop says, "There's no body. The blast must have incinerated the corpse. Guess that's the last we've seen of him." Flash Franchise/TheFlash looks like him like he's an idiot and responds "you're new to this supervillain thing, aren't you?"



** In the third film, the GenreSavvy Bane's {{mooks}} capture Commissioner Gordon. Bane is furious that they brought him to his secret location. Gordon manages to fall into water and is washed away into a sewer pipe. The mook claims that NoOneCouldSurviveThat, but Bane demands to see the body before he'll believe it. When the mook tries to complain, Bane puts a radio-beacon on him and [[YouHaveFailedMe shoots him]], letting the mook fall into the water.
* ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'' Ends this way, but the audience is shown the truth; GenreSavvy Nikki knows the truth as soon as she hears the news report.

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** In the third film, the GenreSavvy Bane's {{mooks}} capture Commissioner Gordon. Bane is furious that they brought him to his secret location. Gordon manages to fall into water and is washed away into a sewer pipe. The mook claims that NoOneCouldSurviveThat, but Bane demands to see the body before he'll believe it. When the mook tries to complain, Bane puts a radio-beacon on him and [[YouHaveFailedMe shoots him]], letting the mook fall into the water.
* ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'' Ends this way, but the audience is shown the truth; GenreSavvy Nikki knows the truth as soon as she hears the news report.



* In ''Literature/TheRedVixenAdventures'' after six-year old Alinadar's family is murdered by pirates and she's taken by them to become a {{child soldier|s}}, her brother Lu (who wasn't on their family's ship at the time) is GenreSavvy enough to invoke this trope and keep searching twenty years for her.

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* In ''Literature/TheRedVixenAdventures'' after six-year old Alinadar's family is murdered by pirates and she's taken by them to become a {{child soldier|s}}, her brother Lu (who wasn't on their family's ship at the time) is GenreSavvy enough to invoke invokes this trope and keep searching twenty years for her.



* In the TV miniseries of ''Series/{{Dune}}'', GenreSavvy villain Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, upon receiving news that Paul and Jessica Atreides were dead after flying into a sandstorm, asks explicitly, "You've…seen the bodies?" He was right to doubt. The interesting part, though, is whether the Baron is truly GenreSavvy or not. In the novel it is more explicit, but his entire plan is based upon the fact that this means of executing Paul and Jessica would not ''leave'' bodies. Once his underlings are gone he himself states that they are undoubtedly dead, that [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat nothing could possibly survive a sandstorm]], and he was stressing the need to find the bodies as an educational experience to never take anything for granted, not because he actually feels this situation requires a body to be definite.

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* In the TV miniseries of ''Series/{{Dune}}'', GenreSavvy villain Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, upon receiving news that Paul and Jessica Atreides were dead after flying into a sandstorm, asks explicitly, "You've…seen the bodies?" He was right to doubt. The interesting part, though, is whether the Baron is truly GenreSavvy or not.doubt. In the novel it is more explicit, but his entire plan is based upon the fact that this means of executing Paul and Jessica would not ''leave'' bodies. Once his underlings are gone he himself states that they are undoubtedly dead, that [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat nothing could possibly survive a sandstorm]], and he was stressing the need to find the bodies as an educational experience to never take anything for granted, not because he actually feels this situation requires a body to be definite.



* Kirei Kotomine of ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' in UBW where Tohsaka [[LampshadeHanging asks Caster]] [[GenreSavvy if she made sure Kirei was really dead, and had she made sure to check the body?]]

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* Kirei Kotomine of ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' in UBW where Tohsaka [[LampshadeHanging asks Caster]] [[GenreSavvy if she made sure Kirei was really dead, and had she made sure to check the body?]]body?



** In a later arc, she's marked for death by the Dave Conspiracy (long story), who are GenreSavvy enough to demand really solid evidence. Unfortunately, they're trying to get rid of an EvilutionaryBiologist with ScienceRelatedMemeticDisorder; we don't see exactly what she leaves in a cardbox for Dave and Artie that will convince the other Daves, but [[DecapitationPresentation it's easy to guess.]]

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** In a later arc, she's marked for death by the Dave Conspiracy (long story), who are GenreSavvy enough to demand really solid evidence. Unfortunately, they're trying to get rid of an EvilutionaryBiologist with ScienceRelatedMemeticDisorder; we don't see exactly what she leaves in a cardbox for Dave and Artie that will convince the other Daves, but [[DecapitationPresentation it's easy to guess.]]



* In ''Webcomic/{{Adventurers}}'', a dimensional distortion swallows Argent and Garshask while they were fighting. GenreSavvy Karn insists that since no bodies were found, [[http://www.adventurers-comic.com/d/20020510.html they're obviously still alive]]. [[spoiler:He's right.]]

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Adventurers}}'', a dimensional distortion swallows Argent and Garshask while they were fighting. GenreSavvy Karn insists that since no bodies were found, [[http://www.adventurers-comic.com/d/20020510.html they're obviously still alive]]. [[spoiler:He's right.]]



** After Blight is trapped in a sinking/exploding submarine, GoingCritical, Batman drops by Paxton Powers' office. The CoincidentalBroadcast mentions that Blight's remains have yet to be found. Paxton smirks and says "So, he melted with the sub." Batman responds "[[GenreSavvy Sure he did,]]" and walks off. Possibly a subversion, since Blight never appeared again on the show. He did return in the comic books based on the series, but was frozen at the end of the issue.

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** After Blight is trapped in a sinking/exploding submarine, GoingCritical, Batman drops by Paxton Powers' office. The CoincidentalBroadcast mentions that Blight's remains have yet to be found. Paxton smirks and says "So, he melted with the sub." Batman responds "[[GenreSavvy Sure "Sure he did,]]" did," and walks off. Possibly a subversion, since Blight never appeared again on the show. He did return in the comic books based on the series, but was frozen at the end of the issue.



* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', [[spoiler:Bolin and Varrick escape from Kuvira's custody when [[TakingYouWithMe Varrick sets off a mini-nuke on Kuvira's train]]]]. They narrowly escape alive, thanks to some [[spoiler:quick earthbender tunneling, but Kuvira, the season's [[BigBad main villain]], [[GenreSavvy puts out wanted posters for them anyway]],]] just in case they didn't die.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', [[spoiler:Bolin and Varrick escape from Kuvira's custody when [[TakingYouWithMe Varrick sets off a mini-nuke on Kuvira's train]]]]. They narrowly escape alive, thanks to some [[spoiler:quick [[spoiler:some quick earthbender tunneling, but Kuvira, the season's [[BigBad main villain]], [[GenreSavvy Kuvira puts out wanted posters for them anyway]],]] anyway, just in case they didn't die.die]].
29th Sep '17 7:29:26 PM AgentSkyblueM7
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** One argument about [[spoiler: Lelouch]] is that [[spoiler: despite the ReallyDeadMontage, part of what makes the epilogue ambiguous and/or open-ended is that it never explains anything about him beyond that like what happened with the body afterward]]. The upcoming Season 3 is ''definitely'' going to have to provide some answers about this since [[spoiler: Lelouch is confirmed to be alive.]]

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** One argument about [[spoiler: Lelouch]] is that [[spoiler: despite the ReallyDeadMontage, part of what makes the epilogue ambiguous and/or open-ended is that it never explains anything about him beyond that like what happened with the body afterward]]. The upcoming Season 3 sequel is ''definitely'' going to have to provide some answers about this since [[spoiler: Lelouch is confirmed to be alive.]]
25th Sep '17 11:53:51 PM PaulA
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* Creator/JackMcDevitt's ''Eternity Road'' initially looks like it's heading for an EverybodyLives ending, so this trope is used after the first [[MoodWhiplash sudden death during a lighthearted section]]. The second such death . . . not so much.

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* Creator/JackMcDevitt's ''Eternity Road'' ''Literature/EternityRoad'' initially looks like it's heading for an EverybodyLives ending, so this trope is used after the first [[MoodWhiplash sudden death during a lighthearted section]]. The second such death . . . not so much.
14th Sep '17 9:32:04 PM PaulA
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* [[spoiler:Alistair Drummond]] in the second book of ''The Rampart Worlds''. The protagonist, Asahel Frost, worries occasionally about whether he's actually dead. [[spoiler:And then the guy turns out to be alive enough to steal Asa's identity while working with villainous aliens. When he's eventually killed off, the body is immediately in evidence, although mauled by a wolverine.]]

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* [[spoiler:Alistair Drummond]] in the second book of ''The Rampart Worlds''.Worlds'' trilogy by Creator/JulianMay. The protagonist, Asahel Frost, worries occasionally about whether he's actually dead. [[spoiler:And then the guy turns out to be alive enough to steal Asa's identity while working with villainous aliens. When he's eventually killed off, the body is immediately in evidence, although mauled by a wolverine.]]
13th Sep '17 10:13:14 AM nighttrainfm
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* Discussed in ''ComicBook/ExMachina'', a series about Mitchell Hundred, a retired superhero turned Mayor of New York. His "mentor" is constantly on the lookout for Jack Pherson, the closest thing to a true supervillain they ever faced, even though Pherson was last seen in an exploding building. While he'd be dead right in a straightforward superhero comic, in this one he just gets written off. His arguments ring even more hollow when it turns out they found ''several pieces'' of Pherson, just not his head.
9th Aug '17 8:47:33 PM Linda58
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* In ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity'': [[spoiler: Ra's and Talia al Ghul]] are ''both'' killed onscreen, but both of their bodies vanish shortly after. [[spoiler:Given that the League of Assassins is in the area, resurrection seems possibly]].
** In ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' DLC "The Season of Infamy", we see the conclusion of this in the "Shadow War" episode. [[spoiler: Ra's has been resurrected by the League, and Batman eve mentions that his body wasn't recovered from Arkham City. Talia meanwhile has a morgue drawer with her name on, the door is open and there's no body inside...]]
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