History Main / NeverBringAKnifeToAGunFight

21st Apr '17 3:37:16 PM bt8257
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Subtrope to CombatPragmatist.

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Subtrope SubTrope to CombatPragmatist.
14th Apr '17 12:24:12 AM Sharysa
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* PlayedWith in ''[[{{WebOriginal/Takotsubo}} Takotsubo: The story of a superhero.]]'' Cord Cai and his fiance Roland Fujii are getting carjacked by Harry Lamont... but Cord and Roland are ''former gangsters''. Roland laughs in Lamont's face, refuses to give up his car, and basically taunts Lamont into shooting. After he ''does'' get shot, he trucks through the pain, cuts Lamont, and scares him into running away. Lamont might have killed Roland, but he was clearly outclassed and he failed his actual goal of taking their car. Later on, the devastated Cord tracks Lamont down and [[BestServedCold shoots him execution-style]] with no hesitation at all. As noted below, having a gun doesn't mean anything if you're not prepared to ''actually shoot someone.''

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* PlayedWith in ''[[{{WebOriginal/Takotsubo}} Takotsubo: The story of a superhero.]]'' In the prologue, Cord Cai and his fiance Roland Fujii are getting carjacked by Harry Lamont... but Cord and Roland are ''former gangsters''. ''[[MuggingTheMonster former gangsters.]]'' Roland laughs in Lamont's face, refuses to give up his car, and basically taunts Lamont into shooting. After he ''does'' get shot, he trucks through the pain, cuts Lamont, Lamont and scares him into running away. Lamont might have killed Roland, but he was clearly outclassed and he failed his actual goal of taking their car. Later on, the devastated Cord tracks Lamont down and [[BestServedCold shoots him execution-style]] with no hesitation at all. execution-style.]] As noted below, having a gun doesn't mean anything if you're not prepared to ''actually shoot someone.''
7th Apr '17 2:54:31 AM JackG
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** Lampshaded in "A More Perfect Union". Reese realises they've got to start kicking serious ass and Root (who's [[MasterOfDisguise disguised as a caterer]]), produces a kitchen knife and says, "Silly me. I brought a knife to a gunfight." Being Root, it suffices.

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** Lampshaded in "A More Perfect Union". Reese realises they've got says they're going to have to start kicking serious ass and whereupon Root (who's [[MasterOfDisguise disguised as a caterer]]), produces a kitchen knife and says, "Silly me. I brought a knife to a gunfight." Being Root, it suffices.
7th Apr '17 2:53:37 AM JackG
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** Lampshaded in "A More Perfect Union". Reese realises they've got to start kicking serious ass and Root (who's [[MasterOfDisguise disguised as a caterer), produces a kitchen knife and says, "Silly me. I brought a knife to a gunfight." Being Root, it suffices.

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** Lampshaded in "A More Perfect Union". Reese realises they've got to start kicking serious ass and Root (who's [[MasterOfDisguise disguised as a caterer), caterer]]), produces a kitchen knife and says, "Silly me. I brought a knife to a gunfight." Being Root, it suffices.
7th Apr '17 2:53:13 AM JackG
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* In one episode of ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' Reese's opponent realizes that he can't beat him hand-to-hand, so he pulls out a knife. Reese promptly draws his gun and kneecaps him.

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* ''Series/PersonOfInterest''
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In one episode of ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' "Allegiance", Reese's opponent realizes that he can't beat him hand-to-hand, so he pulls out a knife. Reese promptly draws his gun and kneecaps him.him.
** Lampshaded in "A More Perfect Union". Reese realises they've got to start kicking serious ass and Root (who's [[MasterOfDisguise disguised as a caterer), produces a kitchen knife and says, "Silly me. I brought a knife to a gunfight." Being Root, it suffices.
5th Apr '17 7:38:04 PM TheDocCC
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** One of many reasons the bayonet was invented. Shoot if he's far, stab if he's near.
** What many people, including above, miss about the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill Tueller Drill]] is that at about 21 feet (6 meters) a person with a knife becomes a threat to a trained shooter with a holstered handgun. Somewhat later on, people added the notion of the knife "winning," which is wrong. A shooter is a lethal threat from maximum range down to 0.0m. The gunman can shoot an assailant at ''any'' range, including point-blank, with closer shots being more debilitating due to the greater bullet penetration and better shot placement. The "21-foot rule" is about disabling the assailant ''without getting injured''. It is very unlikely that a stab wound, even one that causes an injury that later proves fatal, will incapacitate a shooter and stop them from emptying the magazine into their attacker. The drill was used as an experiment to quantify the danger zone, and the conclusion is that at about 21', with a lot of variability, a typical trained individual with a handgun in a hip holster who is suddenly charged by a physically fit knife-wielding assailant is at serious risk of being wounded before they can use their handgun to take out the attacker. Change any of the above, and the outcomes change, though insights gleaned from the drill still hold.

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** One of many reasons the bayonet was invented. Shoot if he's far, stab if he's near.
** What many people, including above, miss about the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill Tueller Drill]] is was used to quantify when trained police with a gun should use a firearm against a person with a knife. The drill assumes that at about 21 feet (6 meters) a physically fit person with a knife becomes a threat to suddenly charges a trained shooter with a holstered handgun.handgun. It established an ''average'' distance of 21 feet for where the knife-user got to the gun user before being cut down. Somewhat later on, people added the notion of the knife "winning," which is wrong. A shooter is a lethal threat from maximum range down to 0.0m. The gunman can shoot an assailant at ''any'' range, including point-blank, with closer shots being more debilitating due to the greater bullet penetration and better shot placement. The "21-foot rule" is about disabling the assailant ''without getting injured''. It is very unlikely that a stab wound, even one that causes an injury that later proves fatal, will incapacitate a shooter and stop them from emptying the magazine into their attacker. The drill was used as an experiment to quantify the danger zone, and the conclusion is that at about 21', with a lot of variability, a typical trained individual with a handgun in a hip holster who is suddenly charged by a physically fit knife-wielding assailant across open ground is at serious risk of being wounded before they can use their handgun to take out the attacker. Change any ''any'' of the above, above - the gun, the terrain, the distance, the fitness level, the training level of those involved, how the gun is carried, anything - and the outcomes change, though insights gleaned from the drill still hold.



*** Hence why US soldiers are trained to use their rifles as total weapons, in case someone comes at them with an axe, sword, club, etc.

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*** Hence why US soldiers are trained to use The Tueller drill also assumes the knife wielder has their rifles knife ready already, and the gunman is unaware of the attack until the charge begins. If the knife must be drawn, the gun's advantages improve.
*** The Tueller drill also assumes the gunman is just shooting and not using any close combat gun techniques, such
as total weapons, in case drawing with one hand while using the other hand to parry, or falling on their butt, using their legs to keep the attacker at bay, and shooting up at near point blank range. Notice Jamie and Adam never experimented with the gunman doing anything other than shooting. They replicated the Tueller Drill - not the real world.
*** Finally, remember that
someone comes at them with an axe, sword, club, etc.suffering YouAreAlreadyDead due to a gunshot is not necessarily out of the fight. They may be mortally wounded, but have a short period of time before unconsciousness, disability, or death. It is entirely possible for the knife-wielder to die from their gunshot wounds after they have stabbed the shooter.
22nd Mar '17 5:11:23 PM Sharysa
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* PlayedWith in ''[[{{WebOriginal/Takotsubo}} Takotsubo: The story of a superhero.]]'' Cord Cai and his fiance Roland Fujii are getting carjacked by Harry Lamont... but Cord and Roland are ''former gangsters''. Roland laughs in Lamont's face, refuses to give up his car, and basically taunts Lamont into shooting. After Roland ''does'' get shot, he just trucks through the pain, cuts Lamont, and scares him into running away. Lamont technically "wins" since Roland dies, but he was clearly outclassed and he failed his actual goal of taking their car. And then months later, the devastated Cord tracks Lamont down through his gang connects and shoots him in the head.

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* PlayedWith in ''[[{{WebOriginal/Takotsubo}} Takotsubo: The story of a superhero.]]'' Cord Cai and his fiance Roland Fujii are getting carjacked by Harry Lamont... but Cord and Roland are ''former gangsters''. Roland laughs in Lamont's face, refuses to give up his car, and basically taunts Lamont into shooting. After Roland he ''does'' get shot, he just trucks through the pain, cuts Lamont, and scares him into running away. Lamont technically "wins" since Roland dies, might have killed Roland, but he was clearly outclassed and he failed his actual goal of taking their car. And then months later, Later on, the devastated Cord tracks Lamont down through his gang connects and [[BestServedCold shoots him in the head.execution-style]] with no hesitation at all. As noted below, having a gun doesn't mean anything if you're not prepared to ''actually shoot someone.''
19th Mar '17 10:48:52 AM jamespolk
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* Inverted in ''Film/Utu''. Te Wheke tosses the preacher a loaded gun, knowing full well that his victim would hesitate to use it. This gives Te Wheke enough time to decapitate the minister with an axe.

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* Inverted in ''Film/Utu''.''Film/{{Utu}}''. Te Wheke tosses the preacher a loaded gun, knowing full well that his victim would hesitate to use it. This gives Te Wheke enough time to decapitate the minister with an axe.


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* ''Film/TheRunningJumpingAndStandingStillFilm'': Parodied in one of the SurrealHumor gags that make up this odd short film. Two men are facing off in a duel. One has a rifle, and the judge gives the other a knife. They march off, turn at the signal in dueling style, and fire--shooting the judge. And the second man's knife somehow goes off like a gun. He stares at his smoking knife in astonishment.
17th Feb '17 11:55:39 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** Harren the Black (the founder of Harrenhal) should have known better than to spend decades building the world's largest castle when his neighbors had ''dragons''.
** Pyat Pree though he could keep Daenerys and her dragons chained up for eternity. Bad idea.
12th Jan '17 6:21:02 PM TheRoguePenguin
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* In the ''Anime/TheBigO'' episode "The Greatest Villain", Beck has built a CombiningMecha megadeus and challenges Roger Smith's Big O. He starts the fight by showing off some fancy maneuvers with a giant boomerang-like weapon. Roger has the Big O shoot him with its ArmCannon, instantly winning the fight.
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