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18th May '18 5:21:33 AM KillerClowns
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* In ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternityIIDeadfire'', the player can reach the endgame by siding with one of four [[GrayAndGrayMorality morally dubious]] factions, or upgrade their ship and go it alone. While all four of the factions have flaws and ask the player to [[DirtyBusiness stain their conscience]], the chaos that's left in the wake of the player ignoring the other factions and going it alone is greater still.



* In ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternity2Deadfire'', the player can reach the endgame by siding with one of four [[GrayAndGrayMorality morally dubious]] factions, or upgrade their ship and go it alone. While all four of the factions have flaws and ask the player to [[DirtyBusiness stain their conscience]], the chaos that's left in the wake of the player ignoring the other factions and going it alone is greater still.

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* In ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternity2Deadfire'', the player can reach the endgame by siding with one of four [[GrayAndGrayMorality morally dubious]] factions, or upgrade their ship and go it alone. While all four of the factions have flaws and ask the player to [[DirtyBusiness stain their conscience]], the chaos that's left in the wake of the player ignoring the other factions and going it alone is greater still.
18th May '18 5:21:16 AM KillerClowns
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* In ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternity2Deadfire'', the player can reach the endgame by siding with one of four [[GrayAndGrayMorality morally dubious]] factions, or upgrade their ship and go it alone. While all four of the factions have flaws and ask the player to [[DirtyBusiness stain their conscience]], the chaos that's left in the wake of the player ignoring the other factions and going it alone is greater still.
11th Feb '18 1:38:53 PM thatother1dude
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* Genn Greymane, the king of [[VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft Gilneas]], [[VideoGame/{{Warcraft}} refused to help the Alliance retake Azeroth/Stormwind from the Horde]], though they did second-line actions in the campaign against [[LesCollaborateurs the rogue human nation of Alterac]]. When Lordaeron was overrun by the undead, he bricked up his entire city behind a giant wall. [[FromBadToWorse Then the werewolves came...]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'': Genn Greymane, the king of [[VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft Gilneas]], [[VideoGame/{{Warcraft}} Gilneas, refused to help the Alliance retake Azeroth/Stormwind from the Horde]], Horde, though they did second-line actions in the campaign against [[LesCollaborateurs the rogue human nation of Alterac]]. When Lordaeron was overrun by the undead, he bricked up his entire city behind a giant wall. [[FromBadToWorse Then the werewolves came...]]
31st Jan '18 1:23:01 AM Omeganian
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* In the ''Franchise/XCom'' and ''Franchise/MassEffect'' crossover ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11868723/1/The-Human-War The Human War]]'', during the war between Humanity and the Council, the Volus decide it is best for them to cut their home system from the Mass Relay network. Works out reasonably well... until an Ethereal fleet arrives a few days later.
30th Jan '18 6:42:54 AM Cryoclaste
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* Genn Greymane, the king of [[WorldOfWarcraft Gilneas]], [[Videogame/{{Warcraft}} refused to help the Alliance retake Azeroth/Stormwind from the Horde]], though they did second-line actions in the campaign against [[LesCollaborateurs the rogue human nation of Alterac]]. When Lordaeron was overrun by the undead, he bricked up his entire city behind a giant wall. [[FromBadToWorse Then the werewolves came...]]

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* Genn Greymane, the king of [[WorldOfWarcraft [[VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft Gilneas]], [[Videogame/{{Warcraft}} [[VideoGame/{{Warcraft}} refused to help the Alliance retake Azeroth/Stormwind from the Horde]], though they did second-line actions in the campaign against [[LesCollaborateurs the rogue human nation of Alterac]]. When Lordaeron was overrun by the undead, he bricked up his entire city behind a giant wall. [[FromBadToWorse Then the werewolves came...]]
29th Jan '18 9:18:55 AM Rytex
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': The Late Lord Frey gained his nickname for his (in)actions during Robert's Rebellion, in which he was a Tully vassal (and so supposedly on the side of Robert Baratheon), but while he called his banners and mustered an army, the Freys stayed at home until the decisive Battle of the Trident, at which point the Freys arrived ''just'' after the battle had been fought. While they claimed to have merely been delayed and always intended to join in on Robert's side [[note]]In fairness, Robert was noted for swift decisive marches, and at one point fought three battles in one day at three different places, so it is somewhat possible they were genuinely delayed and just didn't manage to catch up[[/note]], no-one really believed or trusted them since[[note]]especially after the [[MoralEventHorizon Red Wedding]][[/note]].

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The Late Lord Frey gained his nickname for his (in)actions during Robert's Rebellion, in which he was a Tully vassal (and so supposedly on the side of Robert Baratheon), but while he called his banners and mustered an army, the Freys stayed at home until the decisive Battle of the Trident, at which point the Freys arrived ''just'' after the battle had been fought. While they claimed to have merely been delayed and always intended to join in on Robert's side [[note]]In fairness, Robert was noted for swift decisive marches, and at one point fought three battles in one day at three different places, so it is somewhat possible they were genuinely delayed and just didn't manage to catch up[[/note]], no-one really believed or trusted them since[[note]]especially after the [[MoralEventHorizon Red Wedding]][[/note]].Wedding]][[/note]].
** Also of note is House Lannister, who remained completely neutral throughout Robert's Rebellion also until the Battle of the Trident. However, unlike the Freys, they had no liege to be sworn to outside of King Aerys, and once it was clear Robert was going to win, Lord Tywin sacked King's Landing to endear himself to the new king. Also unlike the Freys, no one called him on this behavior, and several characters privately expressed chagrin that they ''couldn't'', given House Lannister's riches and Lord Tywin's reputation of bringing down DisproportionateRetribution on anyone that slighted him or his house.
26th Jan '18 5:57:57 PM ZombieAladdin
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* Though he has been VindicatedByHistory since, U.S. President UsefulNotes/DwightEisenhower was known during his tenure for avoiding numerous social issues and refusing to talk about them, which wound up causing him to take heat from ''both'' sides and be known as a "do-nothing" President. The truth was that he preferred to take action slowly and gradually, as he believed the sudden action both sides urged him to do would only cause the other side to be even ''more'' hostile than what actually happened.

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* Though he has been VindicatedByHistory since, U.S. President UsefulNotes/DwightEisenhower UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower was known during his tenure for avoiding numerous social issues and refusing to talk about them, which wound up causing him to take heat from ''both'' sides and be known as a "do-nothing" President. The truth was that he preferred to take action slowly and gradually, as he believed the sudden action both sides urged him to do would only cause the other side to be even ''more'' hostile than what actually happened.
26th Jan '18 5:57:30 PM ZombieAladdin
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* Though he has been VindicatedByHistory since, U.S. President UsefulNotes/DwightEisenhower was known during his tenure for avoiding numerous social issues and refusing to talk about them, which wound up causing him to take heat from ''both'' sides and be known as a "do-nothing" President. The truth was that he preferred to take action slowly and gradually, as he believed the sudden action both sides urged him to do would only cause the other side to be even ''more'' hostile than what actually happened.
15th Jan '18 8:44:27 AM thatother1dude
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* Another ''very'' bitter part of ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' games. The OrderVersusChaos war that forms the core conflict of every game and the {{Vicious Cycle}}s of {{Full Circle Revolution}}s mean both sides are going to be baying for your blood should you refuse to [[WithUsOrAgainstUs outright ally with them]].
** Subverted in that surviving the backlash usually nets you the closest thing to a happy ending you can get.
** This especially hits the Neutral heroes of the series. The Heroine of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTensei'' ends up suffering a TraumaCongaLine and only really gets closure in the Neutral ending. And the less said of Isabeau from IV if you pick the Chaos or Law sides, the better.

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* Another ''very'' bitter part of ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' games. The OrderVersusChaos war that forms the core conflict of every game and the {{Vicious Cycle}}s of {{Full Circle Revolution}}s mean both sides are going to be baying for your blood should you refuse to [[WithUsOrAgainstUs outright ally with them]].
** Subverted in that surviving the backlash usually nets you the closest thing to a happy ending you can get.
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them]]. This especially hits the Neutral heroes of the series. The Heroine of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTensei'' ends up suffering a TraumaCongaLine and only really gets closure in the Neutral ending. And the less said of Isabeau from IV if you pick the Chaos or Law sides, the better. [[SubvertedTrope On the other hand]], [[OmnicidalNeutral surviving the backlash]] usually nets you [[GoldenEnding the closest thing to a happy ending]] you can get.
15th Jan '18 8:28:42 AM thatother1dude
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Compare with PacifismBackfire, NoPointsForNeutrality, and AlienNonInterferenceClause. Can overlap with the GoldenMeanFallacy, StupidNeutral, and BystanderSyndrome. If the neutral party is attacked by the bad side because it is vulnerable without a potential ally, then this is a case of HeadInTheSandManagement. If the neutral party is attacked as retaliation for not aiding the good side, then it is a case of AccompliceByInaction.

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Compare with PacifismBackfire, NoPointsForNeutrality, NoPointsForNeutrality (which is about gameplay affects of alignment), and AlienNonInterferenceClause. Can overlap with the GoldenMeanFallacy, StupidNeutral, and BystanderSyndrome. If the neutral party is attacked by the bad side because it is vulnerable without a potential ally, then this is a case of HeadInTheSandManagement. If the neutral party is attacked as retaliation for not aiding the good side, then it is a case of AccompliceByInaction.
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