History Main / NeutralNoLonger

20th Jul '17 10:59:56 PM Madrugada
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*** So, yeah, this trope could easily be given the alternate title of "American Foreign Policy." It's a double-edged sword though; sometimes America takes flak for trying to stay out of other people's conflicts ("How can you stand aside and watch this happen?!"), while at other times it is criticized for trying to play policeman to the world ("What gives you the right to interfere in other countries?!"). Historically speaking, American foreign policy gave up on ''actually'' being neutral in international affairs after WWII, when isolationism among the various world powers gave Nazi Germany a head start on world conquest because nobody wanted to get involved when they started rolling over small neighbor countries.
** Also happens ''within'' the United States - at the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861, Kentucky was a slave-holding state that identified culturally with the South but one that didn't have much appetite for secession (its governor Beriah Magoffin was Southern-sympathizing and bristled at President Lincoln's call for troops to serve in Union armies but believed slave states should remain in the Union and the Constitution). For the first several months it tried to stay neutral, its legislature refusing to vote on a bill of secession and instead passed bill asking both side to leave them alone. Then Confederate General Leonidas Polk occupied the town of Columbus that summer, spurring the legislature (which at this point had become pro-Union enough to override the governor's vetoes) to start passing legislation blatantly against Confederate efforts but not the Union's - ''this'' in turn pissed off pro-Confederates in the western and central parts of the state, who [[StartMyOwn established their own state government]] that joined the Confederacy that December. Kentucky's stance was sorted out by 1862, with the state effectively in Union hands thanks to General Ulysses Grant, the original pro-Union government remaining in effective control, Governor Magoffin resigning, and the rival pro-Confederate government existing only on paper having been forced to flee to Tennessee.

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*** So, yeah, this trope could easily be given the alternate title of "American Foreign Policy." It's a double-edged sword though; sometimes America takes flak for trying to stay out of other people's conflicts ("How can you stand aside and watch this happen?!"), while at other times it is criticized for trying to play policeman to the world ("What gives you the right to interfere in other countries?!"). Historically speaking, American foreign policy gave up on ''actually'' being neutral in international affairs after WWII, when isolationism among the various world powers gave Nazi Germany a head start on world conquest because nobody wanted to get involved when they started rolling over small neighbor countries.
** Also happens ''within'' the United States - at the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861, Kentucky was a slave-holding state that identified culturally with the South but one that didn't have much appetite for secession (its governor Beriah Magoffin was Southern-sympathizing and bristled at President Lincoln's call for troops to serve in Union armies but believed slave states should remain in the Union and the Constitution). For the first several months it tried to stay neutral, its legislature refusing to vote on a bill of secession and instead passed a bill asking both side to leave them alone. Then Confederate General Leonidas Polk occupied the town of Columbus that summer, spurring the legislature (which at this point had become pro-Union enough to override the governor's vetoes) to start passing legislation blatantly against Confederate efforts but not the Union's - ''this'' in turn pissed off pro-Confederates in the western and central parts of the state, who [[StartMyOwn established their own state government]] that joined the Confederacy that December. Kentucky's stance was sorted out by 1862, with the state effectively in Union hands thanks to General Ulysses Grant, the original pro-Union government remaining in effective control, Governor Magoffin resigning, and the rival pro-Confederate government existing only on paper having been forced to flee to Tennessee.
16th Jul '17 11:11:49 AM kazokuhouou
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* In ''Film/TheGodfather'' Michael is drawn into the family business when his father Vito is shot by a rival who would keep trying until Vito is dead. Ironically, America declaring itself Neutral No Longer in World War II was what led Michael to declare his neutrality in the family in the first place, by joining the military.
3rd Jul '17 10:21:39 PM AHI-3000
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** UsefulNotes/{{Denmark}} was neutral in WWI and would probably had been that in WWII as well, if it hadn't been for Germany invading the country in 1940, making them technically no longer neutral.

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** UsefulNotes/{{Denmark}} {{UsefulNotes/Denmark}} was neutral in WWI and would probably had been that in WWII as well, if it hadn't been for Germany invading the country in 1940, making them technically no longer neutral.neutral.
** {{UsefulNotes/Belgium}} initially declared neutrality in both World Wars, only to be ''twice'' invaded by Germany on their way to France.
25th Jun '17 12:27:59 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Wyman stood out of the war in the North to avoid the loss of life by his men. By the end of the season, he is now firmly a follower of House Stark.
22nd Apr '17 1:34:40 PM nombretomado
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* Many of the characters in the original ''{{Suikoden}}'' are TrueNeutral and forced out of retirement. Most of them join LaResistance because TheEmpire attacked/drafted them, but one notable occasion has LaResistance itself drafting a forger who [[{{Ijustwanttobenormal}} wants live a quiet life]].
** And in ''SuikodenV'', one of the Stars is a doctor who struggles to remain neutral in the civil war due to a desire to help the wounded and ill on both sides. Eventually, however, he begins to realize that the Godwin's absolutely ''have'' to be stopped, and promptly joins the Prince's army.
** ''SuikodenV'' also has the Oboro Detective Agency, who go through several layers of this. First, Oboro must be convinced to officially join the Prince, which can go very easily if he was impressed by the Prince helping out their investigation earlier or poorly if the Prince [[GuideDangIt made a wrong choice or two]] (or missed out on the investigation entirely). When he finally does join, [[StepfordSmiler Sagiri]] chooses to OptOut, staying with the agency but refusing to join the war effort... unless the Prince finds ''somebody else'' and tries to recruit ''them'', leading to Sagiri revealing her [[DarkAndTroubledPast reasons for not wanting to fight]] before deciding to sign on anyway.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'':
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Many of the characters in the original ''{{Suikoden}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden|I}}'' are TrueNeutral and forced out of retirement. Most of them join LaResistance because TheEmpire attacked/drafted them, but one notable occasion has LaResistance itself drafting a forger who [[{{Ijustwanttobenormal}} [[IJustWantToBeNormal wants live a quiet life]].
** And in ''SuikodenV'', In ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'', one of the Stars is a doctor who struggles to remain neutral in the civil war due to a desire to help the wounded and ill on both sides. Eventually, however, he begins to realize that the Godwin's absolutely ''have'' to be stopped, and promptly joins the Prince's army.
** ''SuikodenV'' also ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' has the Oboro Detective Agency, who go through several layers of this. First, Oboro must be convinced to officially join the Prince, which can go very easily if he was impressed by the Prince helping out their investigation earlier or poorly if the Prince [[GuideDangIt made a wrong choice or two]] (or missed out on the investigation entirely). When he finally does join, [[StepfordSmiler Sagiri]] chooses to OptOut, staying with the agency but refusing to join the war effort... unless the Prince finds ''somebody else'' and tries to recruit ''them'', leading to Sagiri revealing her [[DarkAndTroubledPast reasons for not wanting to fight]] before deciding to sign on anyway.
22nd Apr '17 3:39:12 AM CountDorku
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* ''VideoGame/Borderlands2'' begins with this. The player characters are Vault Hunters - basically mercenary adventurers employed to open Eridian Vaults. While they had their ''reasons'' for being on Pandora, only two really had any meaningful ties to anything there - Salvador was born on Pandora, and Krieg had an old enmity with Hyperion and was only there because of Maya. The initial driver of the plot is Handsome Jack betraying the player characters and leaving them for dead, which is one of those things that influences people without making friends and successfully motivated them all to side with his enemies, the Crimson Raiders.

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* ''VideoGame/Borderlands2'' begins with this. The player characters are Vault Hunters - basically mercenary adventurers employed to open Eridian Vaults. While they had their ''reasons'' for being on Pandora, only two really had any meaningful ties to anything there - Salvador was born on Pandora, and Krieg had an old enmity with Hyperion and was only there on the train because of Maya. The initial driver of the plot is Handsome Jack betraying the player characters and leaving them for dead, which is one of those things that influences people without making friends and successfully motivated them all to side with his enemies, the Crimson Raiders.
22nd Apr '17 3:38:01 AM CountDorku
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* ''VideoGame/Borderlands2'' begins with this. The player characters are Vault Hunters - basically mercenary adventurers employed to open Eridian Vaults. While they had their ''reasons'' for being on Pandora, only two really had any meaningful ties to anything there - Salvador was born on Pandora, and Krieg had an old enmity with Hyperion and was only there because of Maya. The initial driver of the plot is Handsome Jack betraying the player characters and leaving them for dead, which is one of those things that influences people without making friends and successfully motivated them all to side with his enemies, the Crimson Raiders.
2nd Apr '17 9:40:08 AM Kaiseror
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* ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'': Kanan meets an ancient force-welding being called The Bendu who is AboveGoodAndEvil and prefers to live in isolation on the unmarked planet Atollon where Phoenix Squadron has made their hidden base. When [[spoiler:Grand Admiral Thrawn finds their hideout,]] Kanan tries to get his help but The Bendu is having none of it, then he [[BerserkButton calls him a coward]] this finally spurs him into [[spoiler:changing into a massive [[ShockAndAwe thunderstorm]] which then precedes to [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor attack both the Empire and Rebellion indiscriminately.]]]]
2nd Apr '17 9:10:37 AM WWRU
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* As you work your way through the various runs of ''Videogame/{{Undertale}}'', though [[YouBastard he certainly won't hesitate to call you out on it]], you can murder anyone you want in the Underground and [[spoiler:Sans the skeleton]] will still let you pass him without a fight. [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Even if you kill Papyrus.]] But if you decide to KillEmAll and [[spoiler:thus permanently remove any chance of ever reaching the GoldenEnding again,]] he finally becomes motivated enough to [[spoiler:step up and make a last stand in the Judgement Hall, at the point of no return. [[ThatOneBoss Bad]] [[AwakeningTheSleepingGiant times]] [[SNKBoss ensue.]]]]

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* As you work your way through the various runs of ''Videogame/{{Undertale}}'', though [[YouBastard he certainly won't hesitate to call you out on it]], you can murder anyone you want in the Underground and [[spoiler:Sans the skeleton]] will still let you pass him without a fight. [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Even if you kill Papyrus.]] But if you decide to KillEmAll and [[spoiler:thus permanently remove any chance of ever reaching the GoldenEnding again,]] he finally becomes motivated enough to [[spoiler:step up and make a last stand in the Judgement Hall, at the point of no return. [[ThatOneBoss Bad]] [[AwakeningTheSleepingGiant [[DifficultySpike times]] [[SNKBoss ensue.]]]]
2nd Apr '17 9:08:36 AM WWRU
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* As you work your way through the various runs of ''Videogame/{{Undertale}}'', though [[YouBastard he certainly won't hesitate to call you out on it]], you can murder anyone you want in the Underground and [[spoiler:Sans the skeleton]] will still let you pass him without a fight. [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Even if you kill Papyrus.]] But if you decide to KillEmAll and [[spoiler:thus permanently remove any chance of ever reaching the GoldenEnding again,]] he finally becomes motivated enough to [[spoiler:step up and make a last stand in the Judgement Hall, at the point of no return. [[ThatOneBoss Bad]] [[AwakeningTheSleepingGiant times]] [[SNKBoss ensue.]]]]
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