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29th Jun '16 2:39:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''DirkGentlysHolisticDetectiveAgency'' , a mistake in the Earth's distant past caused an alien ship to explode and provided the energy that kick-started the evolution of life the planet. Creator/DouglasAdams, who wrote the book, also wrote the ''Series/{{Doctor Who}}'' serial City of Death which shared the same scenario.

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* In ''DirkGentlysHolisticDetectiveAgency'' ''Literature/DirkGentlysHolisticDetectiveAgency'' , a mistake in the Earth's distant past caused an alien ship to explode and provided the energy that kick-started the evolution of life the planet. Creator/DouglasAdams, who wrote the book, also wrote the ''Series/{{Doctor Who}}'' serial City of Death which shared the same scenario.
2nd May '16 3:07:26 AM erforce
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* Creator/JamesCameron's career had stalled out with a failed attempt to direct the B-horror movie ''Film/PiranhaPartTwoTheSpawning''. This career bust and his subsequent bout with food poisoning resulted in a delirious episode and hospital stay in Italy. During this time he crafted another B-movie about [[TheTerminator a killer cyborg on a rampage]]. That was pretty much the last time fail and James Cameron appeared in the same sentence.

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* Creator/JamesCameron's career had stalled out with a failed attempt to direct the B-horror movie ''Film/PiranhaPartTwoTheSpawning''. This career bust and his subsequent bout with food poisoning resulted in a delirious episode and hospital stay in Italy. During this time he crafted another B-movie about [[TheTerminator [[Film/TheTerminator a killer cyborg on a rampage]]. That was pretty much the last time fail and James Cameron appeared in the same sentence.
29th Apr '16 3:08:05 PM Piromano80
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* In ''Film/TheTimeMachine2002'' the protagonist invents the machine so he could save his fiancée's life. So, since if not for her death, he wouldn't have invented it, she has to die in every timeline in which he and his machine appear.

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* In ''Film/TheTimeMachine2002'' the protagonist invents the machine so he could save his fiancée's life. So, since if not for her death, he wouldn't have invented it, she has to die in every timeline in which he and his machine appear. Consequently his successive failures to save her life put him in a quest to the future in search answers that ends whit him both, saving the Eloy from his enslavement at the hands of the Morloks and finding a new place to which he belongs.
2nd Mar '16 1:35:32 AM Koolkev
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Circles}}'', if Paulie had never accidentally contracted HIV, he would have never met the others or held the safe sex speech where he first met Doug.
13th Nov '15 10:53:52 AM Willbyr
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* In ''KatawaShoujo'', Hisao's condition revealing itself at the worst possible time costs him any chance of a relationship with Iwanako, but if the player makes the right choices, he gets a deeper and more fulfilling relationship with a Yamaku schoolmate he most likely otherwise would not have met.

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* In ''KatawaShoujo'', ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo'', Hisao's condition revealing itself at the worst possible time costs him any chance of a relationship with Iwanako, but if the player makes the right choices, he gets a deeper and more fulfilling relationship with a Yamaku schoolmate he most likely otherwise would not have met.
14th Oct '15 11:25:38 AM dsneybuf
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* Creator/JulieAndrews wouldn't have starred in ''Film/MaryPoppins'' if she didn't lose the leading role of ''Film/MyFairLady'' to Creator/AudreyHepburn, as Creator/{{Warner|Bros}} was filming it at the same time Creator/{{Disney}} was filming ''Poppins''. Andrews went on to beat Hepburn in the Best Actress category of both the Golden Globes and the UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s, and play another singing nanny in ''Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic'', the highest-grossing movie of its time.

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* Creator/JulieAndrews wouldn't have starred in ''Film/MaryPoppins'' if she didn't lose the leading role of ''Film/MyFairLady'' to Creator/AudreyHepburn, as Creator/{{Warner|Bros}} was filming it at the same time Creator/{{Disney}} was filming ''Poppins''. Andrews went on to beat Hepburn in the Best Actress category of both the Golden Globes and the UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s, and play another singing nanny in ''Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic'', the highest-grossing movie of its time.Award}}s.
11th Oct '15 8:24:48 PM Nezumi
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* The ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries'' essentially invokes this, by having the plot of the games be the huge global conflict and TimeyWimeyBall repercussions that results when Einstein prevents UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. At the start of ''Red Alert 3'', the Soviets erase Einstein himself from history after he removes Hitler, to prevent their own defeat. This works in the short term... but both ends up creating a new faction even more dangerous to them than the Allies were, and wiping out some of the most powerful weapons in their arsenal because nuclear technology was never developed without Einstein.

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* ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries''
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The ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries'' series as a whole essentially invokes this, by having the plot of the games be the huge global conflict and TimeyWimeyBall repercussions that results when Einstein prevents UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. At UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
** Furthermore, at
the start of ''Red Alert 3'', the Soviets erase Einstein himself from history after he removes Hitler, to prevent their own defeat. This works in the short term... but both ends up creating a new faction even more dangerous to them than the Allies were, and wiping out some of the most powerful weapons in their arsenal because nuclear technology was never developed without Einstein.
3rd Oct '15 6:19:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* Pretty much the whole point of ''SlumdogMillionaire''. If Jamal's life had sucked any less then he never would have been on WhoWantsToBeAMillionaire let alone [[spoiler: win the million and his happily ever after with Latika.]]

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* Pretty much the whole point of ''SlumdogMillionaire''.''Film/SlumdogMillionaire''. If Jamal's life had sucked any less then he never would have been on WhoWantsToBeAMillionaire let alone [[spoiler: win the million and his happily ever after with Latika.]]



* In ''Film/StarTrek'' (reboot), it is implied that the ''Kelvin's'' destruction at the hands of the ''Narada'' led to Starfleet developed a beefed up and tough brand new ''Enterprise''. Also Subverted (And therefore ultimately zigzagged), in that one of the themes is regardless of how their starting points had changed (Particularly Kirk and Spock, whose circumstances had changed most significantly over the original universe), the entire main cast still wound up on the Enterprise in the same configuration as in the original universe

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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
** In a non-time-travel example, ''Film/{{Star Trek VI|The Undiscovered Country}}'' shows that it was the destruction of the Klingon moon Praxis that caused the Klingons to even consider peace with the Federation.
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In ''Film/StarTrek'' (reboot), it is implied that the ''Kelvin's'' destruction at the hands of the ''Narada'' led to Starfleet developed a beefed up and tough brand new ''Enterprise''. Also Subverted (And therefore ultimately zigzagged), in that one of the themes is regardless of how their starting points had changed (Particularly Kirk and Spock, whose circumstances had changed most significantly over the original universe), the entire main cast still wound up on the Enterprise in the same configuration as in the original universe



*** In a non-time-travel example, ''Film/{{Star Trek VI|The Undiscovered Country}}'' shows that it was the destruction of the Klingon moon Praxis that caused the Klingons to even consider peace with the Federation.
3rd Oct '15 6:18:25 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Film/StarTrek'', it is implied that the ''Kelvin's'' destruction at the hands of the ''Narada'' led to Starfleet developed a beefed up and tough brand new ''Enterprise''.
** Also Subverted (And therefore ultimately zigzagged), in that one of the themes is regardless of how their starting points had changed (Particularly Kirk and Spock, whose circumstances had changed most significantly over the original universe), the entire main cast still wound up on the Enterprise in the same configuration as in the original universe

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* In ''Film/StarTrek'', ''Film/StarTrek'' (reboot), it is implied that the ''Kelvin's'' destruction at the hands of the ''Narada'' led to Starfleet developed a beefed up and tough brand new ''Enterprise''.
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''Enterprise''. Also Subverted (And therefore ultimately zigzagged), in that one of the themes is regardless of how their starting points had changed (Particularly Kirk and Spock, whose circumstances had changed most significantly over the original universe), the entire main cast still wound up on the Enterprise in the same configuration as in the original universe



* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': In the episode "Tapestry", Captain Picard expresses regret for his hot-headed ways which led to him getting stabbed in a bar fight. Of course, he learns that if not for that bar fight, he wouldn't have become TheCaptain that everybody came to know and love.
** ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Next Generation]]'' also played with this again in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" where it is discovered that the destruction of an earlier Enterprise[[note]]The featured ship was the -D, the earlier Enterprise was the -C.[[/note]] helped lead to peace between the Klingons and the Federation.

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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'':
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In the episode "Tapestry", Captain Picard expresses regret for his hot-headed ways which led to him getting stabbed in a bar fight. Of course, he learns that if not for that bar fight, he wouldn't have become TheCaptain that everybody came to know and love.
** ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Next Generation]]'' also played Played with this again in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" where it is discovered that the destruction of an earlier Enterprise[[note]]The featured ship was the -D, the earlier Enterprise was the -C.[[/note]] helped lead to peace between the Klingons and the Federation.



** In ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' the faction from the future specifically state while they could've warned Earth about the initial Xindi attack that kills 7 million people, they figured it only be after the sneak attack that Starfleet would heed the greater danger. Notably it is the attack that leads to the ''Enterprise'' being retrofitted into a warship and the introduction of the famous photon torpedoes.
* In the famous ''Series/DoctorWho'' serial "Genesis of the Daleks", the Doctor states that although the creation of his [[BigBad archenemies the Daleks]] will have horrific consequences for the universe, there is good that will come of it, namely the many species that will join forces out of necessity to defeat them.
** Of course, it ''also'' lead to the extinction of the Time Lords. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Way to go, Doctor]].
*** On the other hand, maybe that was the good. [[spoiler: Particularly since it's revealed in "The End Of Time" that they're planning on committing genocide on an unthinkable scale by destroying ''time itself'', in order that they can win the Time War and ascend to godhood.]]
*** The Time War would not have happened had the Daleks never come into existence.
*** The Doctor also says that the war [[WhatYouAreInTheDark showed who they really were]], so even without the Daleks they may have planned on destroying time anyway. The Daleks just pushed the plan forward

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** * In ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' the faction from the future specifically state while they could've warned Earth about the initial Xindi attack that kills 7 million people, they figured it only be after the sneak attack that Starfleet would heed the greater danger. Notably it is the attack that leads to the ''Enterprise'' being retrofitted into a warship and the introduction of the famous photon torpedoes.
* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
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In the famous ''Series/DoctorWho'' serial "Genesis of the Daleks", the Doctor states that although the creation of his [[BigBad archenemies the Daleks]] will have horrific consequences for the universe, there is good that will come of it, namely the many species that will join forces out of necessity to defeat them.
** Of course, it ''also'' lead to the extinction of the Time Lords. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Way to go, Doctor]].
*** On the other hand, maybe that was the good. [[spoiler: Particularly since it's revealed in "The End Of Time" that they're planning on committing genocide on an unthinkable scale by destroying ''time itself'', in order that they can win the Time War and ascend to godhood.]]
*** The Time War would not have happened had the Daleks never come into existence.
*** The Doctor also says that the war [[WhatYouAreInTheDark showed who they really were]], so even without the Daleks they may have planned on destroying time anyway. The Daleks just pushed the plan forward
them.



*** The mission leader was also inspired by a Dalek not exterminating her during the events of "Journey's End."
** Don't forget the Doctor not only letting but ''causing'' the Vesuvius eruption that destroyed the city of Pompeii. The alternative was to let the Pyroviles take over the world.



* The difference between Ace Rimmer (what a guy!) and the loser Rimmer in ''Series/RedDwarf'' is that Ace was held back in school one year. It made him determined to succeed.

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* ''Series/RedDwarf'':
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The difference between Ace Rimmer (what a guy!) and the loser Rimmer in ''Series/RedDwarf'' is that Ace was held back in school one year. It made him determined to succeed.



* John Sheppard in ''Series/StargateAtlantis'', whose reputation was [[ReassignedToAntarctica ruined]] by his ill-fated attempt to rescue his friends in Afghanistan against direct orders. Had this not happened, he would've likely not been found to have an ATA gene and a natural knack at using it (on par with O'Neill) and wouldn't have ended up as part of the Atlantis mission. It would've likely failed without him. Ditto for Eli Wallace in ''Series/StargateUniverse'', who was forced to drop out of MIT when his mother contracted HIV from a patient of hers. He probably wouldn't have spent his time playing [=MMORPGs=] and solving puzzles that the government had secretly planted there. He wouldn't have ended up on the ''Destiny'' and saved their hides multiple times.

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* John Sheppard in ''Series/StargateAtlantis'', whose reputation was [[ReassignedToAntarctica ruined]] by his ill-fated attempt to rescue his friends in Afghanistan against direct orders. Had this not happened, he would've likely not been found to have an ATA gene and a natural knack at using it (on par with O'Neill) and wouldn't have ended up as part of the Atlantis mission. It would've likely failed without him. Ditto for him.
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Eli Wallace in ''Series/StargateUniverse'', who was forced to drop out of MIT when his mother contracted HIV from a patient of hers. He probably wouldn't have spent his time playing [=MMORPGs=] and solving puzzles that the government had secretly planted there. He wouldn't have ended up on the ''Destiny'' and saved their hides multiple times.



** AlternativeCharacterInterpretation in that [[spoiler:Loghain knew the battle was lost and knew that sending more troops to die was futile. In all fairness, he tried to keep the king away from the battle (Cailan ''was'' his best friend's son, after all), but Cailan's head was filled with glorious stories of brave Grey Wardens defeating hordes of darkspawn. That and the fact that the whole battle plan at Ostagar was stupid in the first place]].



** Some quest lines require the player to be fooled by a villain into helping him before they can proceed to bash his head in.
*** Including one that starts around level 10, and ends at level 80ish [[spoiler:involving Grand Apothecary Putress betraying Sylvanas and the Horde.]]
* The ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries'' essentially invokes this, by having the plot of the games be the huge global conflict and TimeyWimeyBall repercussions that results when Einstein prevents UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
** At the start of ''Red Alert III'', the Soviets erase Einstein from history after he removes Hitler, to prevent their own defeat. This works in the short term... but both ends up creating a new faction even more dangerous to them than the Allies were, and wiping out some of the most powerful weapons in their arsenal because nuclear technology was never developed without Einstein.

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** Some quest lines require the player to be fooled by a villain into helping him before they can proceed to bash his head in.
*** Including one that starts around level 10, and ends at level 80ish [[spoiler:involving Grand Apothecary Putress betraying Sylvanas and the Horde.]]
* The ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries'' essentially invokes this, by having the plot of the games be the huge global conflict and TimeyWimeyBall repercussions that results when Einstein prevents UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
**
UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. At the start of ''Red Alert III'', 3'', the Soviets erase Einstein himself from history after he removes Hitler, to prevent their own defeat. This works in the short term... but both ends up creating a new faction even more dangerous to them than the Allies were, and wiping out some of the most powerful weapons in their arsenal because nuclear technology was never developed without Einstein.



* ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Star Trek: Borg]]'': When you're part of an Away Team beamed aboard a Borg cube, you have to take the option to disregard what your fandom sense tells you, and start a fight with a few Borg drones who would have ignored you otherwise, even though you inevitably lose and get assimilated. This means you get the access codes to the cube's systems, and once Q sends you back in time to try again you use them to your advantage.

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* ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Star Trek: Borg]]'': ''VideoGame/StarTrekBorg'': When you're part of an Away Team beamed aboard a Borg cube, you have to take the option to disregard what your fandom sense tells you, and start a fight with a few Borg drones who would have ignored you otherwise, even though you inevitably lose and get assimilated. This means you get the access codes to the cube's systems, and once Q sends you back in time to try again you use them to your advantage.
3rd Oct '15 6:14:17 AM Morgenthaler
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* The quote above comes from the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode in which Captain Picard expresses regret for his hot-headed ways which led to him getting stabbed in a bar fight. Of course, he learns that if not for that bar fight, he wouldn't have become TheCaptain that everybody came to know and love.

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* The quote above comes from ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': In the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode in which "Tapestry", Captain Picard expresses regret for his hot-headed ways which led to him getting stabbed in a bar fight. Of course, he learns that if not for that bar fight, he wouldn't have become TheCaptain that everybody came to know and love.
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