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14th Aug '16 9:51:16 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** In a similar vein is the [[{{BFG}} Spartan Laser]] in ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}''. It has pinpoint accuracy and will kill almost anything, soldier or vehicle, in one shot. This is mitigated by several [[NecessaryDrawback Necessary Drawbacks]] - It can only fire 5 shots before running out of charge, it's very very rare, and has to charge up for 3 seconds before firing.
** Another magnum from another game. Traditionally, in the ''ResidentEvil'' series, the various types of magnum are extremely powerful weapons, capable of killing multiple enemies in a single shot. However, like the above examples, it has a very slow firing rate and ammunition is typically rare. In the few instances the game does start giving you more bullets to play with, [[SuspiciousVideoGameGenerosity it typically means you're gonna' need every bullet you have for whatever is coming next]].

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** In a similar vein is the * ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''[='s=] [[{{BFG}} Spartan Laser]] Laser]], introduced in ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}''. It has pinpoint accuracy and will kill almost anything, soldier or vehicle, in one shot. This is mitigated by several [[NecessaryDrawback Necessary Drawbacks]] - It can only fire 5 shots before running out of charge, it's very very rare, and has to charge up for about 3 seconds before firing.
** Another magnum from another game. * Traditionally, in the ''ResidentEvil'' series, the various types of magnum are extremely powerful weapons, capable of killing multiple enemies in a single shot. However, like the above examples, However it has a very slow firing rate and ammunition is typically rare. In the few instances the game does start giving you more bullets to play with, [[SuspiciousVideoGameGenerosity it typically means you're gonna' need every bullet you have for whatever is coming next]].
10th Aug '16 9:16:47 PM TheBigBopper
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For example, you might have a game system in which broadswords are powerful, have a wide range, but are slow and heavy, while daggers are quick and light but with a short range. The CombinedEnergyAttack and WaveMotionGun requires a few seconds of prep time to use correctly, and even then it is usually a [[ItOnlyWorksOnce one time deal]], or at most [[RuleOfThree maybe three.]] Guns likewise have range; but [[GunsAreWorthless have to be nerfed]] so that people would actually look at other weapon types out there.

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For example, you might have a game system in which broadswords are powerful, powerful and have a wide range, but are slow and heavy, while daggers are quick and light light, but with a short range. The Perhaps the CombinedEnergyAttack and WaveMotionGun requires a few seconds of prep time to use correctly, and even then it is usually a [[ItOnlyWorksOnce one time deal]], or at most [[RuleOfThree maybe three.]] Guns likewise have range; but [[GunsAreWorthless have to be nerfed]] so that people would actually look at other weapon types out there.
10th Aug '16 9:12:56 PM TheBigBopper
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For example, broadswords are powerful, have a wide range, but are slow and heavy. [[RealityIsUnrealistic Relatively speaking at least.]] Daggers are quick and light but with a short range. The CombinedEnergyAttack and WaveMotionGun requires a few seconds of prep time to use correctly, and even then it is usually a [[ItOnlyWorksOnce one time deal]], or at most [[RuleOfThree maybe three.]] Guns likewise have range; but [[GunsAreWorthless have to be nerfed]] so that people would actually look at other weapon types out there.

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For example, you might have a game system in which broadswords are powerful, have a wide range, but are slow and heavy. [[RealityIsUnrealistic Relatively speaking at least.]] Daggers heavy, while daggers are quick and light but with a short range. The CombinedEnergyAttack and WaveMotionGun requires a few seconds of prep time to use correctly, and even then it is usually a [[ItOnlyWorksOnce one time deal]], or at most [[RuleOfThree maybe three.]] Guns likewise have range; but [[GunsAreWorthless have to be nerfed]] so that people would actually look at other weapon types out there.
2nd Aug '16 7:39:40 AM Nikumubeki
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** In its first appearance, Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon is a DiscOneNuke in terms of attack power, but takes [[MightyGlacier five]] ''[[MightyGlacier minutes]]'' [[MightyGlacier to charge up]] (and these are [[{{Padding}} DBZ minutes]] we're talking about). He is only able to successfully use it on Raditz by having Goku make a HeroicSacrifice to hold him in place. The charging problem is largely corrected in subsequent appearances, presumably because Piccolo trained to perfect the technique.

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** In its first appearance, Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon is a DiscOneNuke in terms of attack power, but takes [[MightyGlacier five]] ''[[MightyGlacier minutes]]'' [[MightyGlacier to charge up]] (and these are [[{{Padding}} DBZ minutes]] we're talking about). He is only able to successfully use it on Raditz by having Goku make a HeroicSacrifice to hold him in place. The charging problem is largely corrected in subsequent appearances, presumably because Piccolo trained to perfect the technique. [[spoiler: Until ''[[Anime/DragonBallSuper Dragon Ball Super]]'', when Piccolo charges the Special Beam Cannon against Frost and it is specifically noted that this is the first time he's charged the technique to full power since the fight with Raditz.]]
25th Jul '16 8:02:50 PM Willbyr
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* Manga/{{InuYasha}} learned how to use the wind scar technique at any time, instead of using it only when he could sense the right moment. But from that point on, he encountered enemies who were able to overpower or even counter the wind scar, making his mastery of it a moot point.

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* Manga/{{InuYasha}} Manga/InuYasha learned how to use the wind scar technique at any time, instead of using it only when he could sense the right moment. But from that point on, he encountered enemies who were able to overpower or even counter the wind scar, making his mastery of it a moot point.



* Played with in ''HunterXHunter'', as the Nen users are able to intentionally give their abilities specific downsides or limitations, which directly results in a massive powerup to the ability.
* The ''{{Guyver}}'' Biobooster Armour has a neat sliding scale of power vs speed, with a ChestBlaster on one end of the scale that can destroy mountains but requires the wearer to open his chest with his own hands and takes several seconds to charge up.

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* Played with in ''HunterXHunter'', ''Manga/HunterXHunter'', as the Nen users are able to intentionally give their abilities specific downsides or limitations, which directly results in a massive powerup to the ability.
* The ''{{Guyver}}'' ''Manga/{{Guyver}}'' Biobooster Armour has a neat sliding scale of power vs speed, with a ChestBlaster on one end of the scale that can destroy mountains but requires the wearer to open his chest with his own hands and takes several seconds to charge up.



* {{Wolverine}} has the NighInvulnerable [[{{Unobtanium}} adamantium]] skeleton that renders him nearly invulnerable himself, adding to his already [[GoodThingYouCanHeal powerful]] HealingFactor. One story had the adamantium removed painfully from his bones, but without it, Wolverine was insanely fast, not being weighed down by an additional 200 pounds, and healed even faster, not having to deal with heavy metal poisoning. Then he got the adamantium back, and they [[PowerCreepPowerSeep forgot to tone the healing factor back down]]...

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* {{Wolverine}} ComicBook/XMen:
** ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}
has the NighInvulnerable [[{{Unobtanium}} adamantium]] skeleton that renders him nearly invulnerable himself, adding to his already [[GoodThingYouCanHeal powerful]] HealingFactor. One story had the adamantium removed painfully from his bones, but without it, Wolverine was insanely fast, not being weighed down by an additional 200 pounds, and healed even faster, not having to deal with heavy metal poisoning. Then he got the adamantium back, and they [[PowerCreepPowerSeep forgot to tone the healing factor back down]]...



* In ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', Bruce Wayne upgraded his Batman costume to fix some defects he [[TaughtByExperience learned in practice,]] such as a limit on his mobility and the inability to turn his head. Lucius Fox explained that this new suit is equally bulletproof and more mobile, but to do so he had to separate the pieces of armor, which gave the suit more weak points a knife ([[{{Foreshadowing}} or claws]]) could get through.
* In the ''StarWars: Episode III'' ExpandedUniverse, the Jedi debated on who should fight General Grievous. Mace Windu concluded that while both he and Yoda are more powerful Jedi, their fighting styles come with inherent weaknesses that could be their downfall. Windu's "Vaapad" was overly aggressive with minimal defense and Yoda's "Ataru" was a matter of compensating for his height, involving a lot of acrobatics. Obi-Wan Kenobi, on the other hand, mastered the "Soresu" style -- [[StoneWall offensively "weak" but with no defensive flaws]], allowing him to maintain his position effectively even against the four-armed Grievous while waiting for the right moment to strike. (Its "weakness" was that a Soresu user might have to count on an opportunity arriving instead of creating one.)

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* In ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', Bruce Wayne upgraded his Batman costume to fix some defects he [[TaughtByExperience learned in practice,]] practice]], such as a limit on his mobility and the inability to turn his head. Lucius Fox explained that this new suit is equally bulletproof and more mobile, but to do so he had to separate the pieces of armor, which gave the suit more weak points a knife ([[{{Foreshadowing}} or claws]]) could get through.
* In the ''StarWars: ''Franchise/StarWars: Episode III'' ExpandedUniverse, the Jedi debated on who should fight General Grievous. Mace Windu concluded that while both he and Yoda are more powerful Jedi, their fighting styles come with inherent weaknesses that could be their downfall. Windu's "Vaapad" was overly aggressive with minimal defense and Yoda's "Ataru" was a matter of compensating for his height, involving a lot of acrobatics. Obi-Wan Kenobi, on the other hand, mastered the "Soresu" style -- [[StoneWall offensively "weak" but with no defensive flaws]], allowing him to maintain his position effectively even against the four-armed Grievous while waiting for the right moment to strike. (Its "weakness" was that a Soresu user might have to count on an opportunity arriving instead of creating one.)
18th Jul '16 7:00:30 PM billybobfred
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* The [[ArtifactOfDoom Dewitchery Diamond]] in Webcomic/ElGoonishShive, to the point that in the most extreme cases it's a horrible idea to use it. All its creator [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Abra]][[DidntThinkThisThrough ham]] wanted was a spell that would cure lycanthropy. Unfortunately, the lycanthropy had to go somewhere, so the werewolf form became a separate rampaging entity. And if you use it on someone with cosmetic magic on, then the magic is separated and becomes a clone. And added fun comes if the subject of cloning has lots of latent magic abilities...

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* The [[ArtifactOfDoom Dewitchery Diamond]] in Webcomic/ElGoonishShive, ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', to the point that in the most extreme cases it's a horrible idea to use it. All its creator [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Abra]][[DidntThinkThisThrough ham]] Abraham wanted was a spell that would cure lycanthropy. Unfortunately, the lycanthropy had to go somewhere, so the werewolf form became a separate rampaging entity. And if you use it on someone with cosmetic magic on, then the magic is separated and becomes a clone. And added fun comes if the subject of cloning has lots of latent magic abilities... As a result of this, he's become an infamous AntiRoleModel in magical education -- the ''correct'' answer would have been to ''sell'' the massive diamond and ''hire a competent mage'' to break the curse.
* [[UpliftedAnimal Bowman's Wolves]] in ''Webcomic/{{Freefall}}'' can react properly to human gestures and body language, because Dr. Bowman repurposed their mirror neurons. They ''can't'' react properly to the body language of their own species. The current population of the Bowman's Wolf species is 14, so reacting properly to humans is, at least, far more valuable.



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4th Jul '16 12:45:47 AM Morgenthaler
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->'''Cars:''' [[HippieVan Fast]]. [[TheAllegedCar Reliable]]. [[CoolCar Cheap]].Fast. Reliable. Cheap. Pick two.\\
'''Jobs:''' [[SoulSuckingRetailJob Fun.]] [[StarvingArtist Well-paid.]] [[BetterLivingThroughEvil Legal.]] Fun. Well-paid. Legal. Pick two.\\
'''College/University:''' [[{{Hikikomori}} Good social life.]] [[BookDumb life. Good grades.]] [[TheInsomniac Sleep.]] grades. Sleep. Pick two.\\
'''People in General:''' [[TheDitz Intelligent.]] [[{{Jerkass}} Nice.]] [[BrilliantButLazy Ambitious.]] Intelligent. Nice. Ambitious. Pick two.
4th Jul '16 12:43:58 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the ''StarWars: Episode III'' ExpandedUniverse, the Jedi debated on who should fight General Grievous. Mace Windu concluded that while both he and Yoda are more powerful Jedi, their fighting styles come with inherent weaknesses that could be their downfall. Windu's "Vaapad" was overly aggressive with minimal defense and Yoda's "Ataru" was a matter of compensating for his height, involving a lot of acrobatics. [[TheObiWan Obi-Wan Kenobi]], on the other hand, mastered the "Soresu" style -- [[StoneWall offensively "weak" but with no defensive flaws]], allowing him to maintain his position effectively even against the four-armed Grievous while waiting for the right moment to strike. (Its "weakness" was that a Soresu user might have to count on an opportunity arriving instead of creating one.)

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* In the ''StarWars: Episode III'' ExpandedUniverse, the Jedi debated on who should fight General Grievous. Mace Windu concluded that while both he and Yoda are more powerful Jedi, their fighting styles come with inherent weaknesses that could be their downfall. Windu's "Vaapad" was overly aggressive with minimal defense and Yoda's "Ataru" was a matter of compensating for his height, involving a lot of acrobatics. [[TheObiWan Obi-Wan Kenobi]], Kenobi, on the other hand, mastered the "Soresu" style -- [[StoneWall offensively "weak" but with no defensive flaws]], allowing him to maintain his position effectively even against the four-armed Grievous while waiting for the right moment to strike. (Its "weakness" was that a Soresu user might have to count on an opportunity arriving instead of creating one.)
29th May '16 11:13:24 AM NoSpoilerz
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'''College/University:''' [[{{Hikkikomori}} Good social life.]] [[BookDumb Good grades.]] [[TheInsomniac Sleep.]] Pick two.\\

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'''College/University:''' [[{{Hikkikomori}} [[{{Hikikomori}} Good social life.]] [[BookDumb Good grades.]] [[TheInsomniac Sleep.]] Pick two.\\
4th Apr '16 7:42:07 AM GentlemensDame883
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There is a danger however that inept balancing can lead to too much drawback without enough benefits. If the drawback is worse than the effect, it can become AwesomeButImpractical. Drawback without added practical benefit can further slide into CoolButInefficient. At the other end is FakeBalance, where the developers thought they had balanced a character but [[AvertedTrope didn't]] [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything Think Of Everything]] and failed to remove a GameBreaker aspect or two.

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There is a danger however that inept balancing can lead to too much drawback without enough benefits. If the drawback is worse than the effect, it can become AwesomeButImpractical. Drawback without added practical benefit can further slide into CoolButInefficient. At the other end is FakeBalance, where the developers thought they had balanced a character but [[AvertedTrope didn't]] [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything Think Of Everything]] [[DevelopersForesight have enough Foresight]] and failed to remove a GameBreaker aspect or two.
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