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26th Apr '17 4:55:13 PM Fireblood
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** Davos. Stannis points this position as illogical since Davos continues to hold it after witnessing Melisandre's powers first hand. True to this trope, however, Davos's continued rejection of the "true god" is likely less about not believing and more about not wanting to worship something that terrifying. He flat out spells it out to Melisandre while asking for her to resurrect Jon Snow, saying he wants the help of a LadyOfBlackMagic, not her Lord of Light.

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** Davos. Stannis points this position as illogical since Davos continues to hold it Even after he admits the Lord of Light exists after witnessing Melisandre's powers first hand. hand, he's not fond of Him (or her). True to this trope, however, Davos's continued rejection of the "true god" is likely less about not believing and more about not wanting to worship something that terrifying. He flat out spells it out to Melisandre while asking for her to resurrect Jon Snow, saying he wants the help of a LadyOfBlackMagic, not her Lord of Light.



** In ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' Captain Jean-Luc Picard is a nay-theist specifically to the idea of [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Q]] as God: "I refuse to believe the afterlife is run by you. The universe isn't so badly designed." It helps that Picard knows there are other Q around. When you have other beings with the same amount of power, by definition, you can't be all-powerful. Also note that while Q has been called the God of Lies by at least one species, he has never actually referred to himself as a god and meant it.

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** In ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' Captain Jean-Luc Picard is a nay-theist nay theist specifically to the idea of [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Q]] as God: "I refuse to believe the afterlife is run by you. The universe isn't so badly designed." It helps that Picard knows there are other Q around. When you have other beings with the same amount of power, by definition, you can't be all-powerful. Also note that while Q has been called the God of Lies by at least one species, he has never actually referred to himself as a god and meant it.
26th Apr '17 9:32:36 AM intastiel
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Unsounded}}'', the Ssaelit religion has this as a core tenet, seeing the four creator deities as capricious {{Jerkass God}}s who engineered all mortal pain and suffering for their entertainment, and who were {{kill|TheGod}}ed by [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Ssael]] to free the world from their tyranny.
23rd Apr '17 11:19:20 AM gb00393
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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists.

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Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists.exists.
** Davos. Stannis points this position as illogical since Davos continues to hold it after witnessing Melisandre's powers first hand. True to this trope, however, Davos's continued rejection of the "true god" is likely less about not believing and more about not wanting to worship something that terrifying. He flat out spells it out to Melisandre while asking for her to resurrect Jon Snow, saying he wants the help of a LadyOfBlackMagic, not her Lord of Light.
--> '''Davos:''' Fuck him then. Fuck all of them. Iím not a devout man. Obviously. Seven gods, drowned gods, tree gods, itís all the same. Iím not asking the Lord oíLight for help. Iím asking the woman who showed me miracles exist.
22nd Apr '17 3:17:13 PM DaibhidC
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** Havelock Vetinari is extremely intelligent and fully aware of the Disc's deities, but [[InVinoVeritas after a few drinks]] in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' stated that "If there is any kind of supreme being, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."[[note]]He came to this belief as a young man who watched as a mother otter feeds her pup a dead salmon and her laid eggs. Mother and child designed to feast upon mother and child.[[/note]]

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** Havelock Vetinari is extremely intelligent and fully aware of the Disc's deities, but [[InVinoVeritas after a few drinks]] in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' stated that "If there is any kind of supreme being, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."[[note]]He came to this belief as a young man who watched as a mother otter feeds her pup a dead still-living salmon and her laid unlaid eggs. Mother and child designed to feast upon mother and child.[[/note]]
29th Mar '17 7:42:11 AM baschapp
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The Nay-Theist is ''not'' an atheist or agnostic -- he is well aware of the existence of the gods (or {{God}}), and freely admits it; he just refuses to worship them, or to "believe" in them in any strong Spiritual sense beyond merely acknowledging the fact of their existence. Perhaps he has some personal grudge against the gods for something they did (or [[ReligiousRussianRoulette didn't do]]); perhaps he refuses to accept the Gods' judgment because [[JerkassGods they don't measure up]] to ''his'' moral standards; perhaps he's just the independent type by nature; or perhaps he simply thinks there is AlwaysABiggerFish, making the search for an "all powerful" creator a pointless venture.

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The Nay-Theist is ''not'' an atheist or agnostic -- he is well aware of the existence of the gods (or {{God}}), and freely admits it; he just refuses to worship them, or to "believe" in them in any strong Spiritual sense beyond merely acknowledging the fact of their existence. Perhaps he has some personal grudge against the gods for something they did (or [[ReligiousRussianRoulette didn't do]]); perhaps he refuses to accept the Gods' divine judgment because [[JerkassGods they don't measure up]] to ''his'' moral standards; perhaps he's just the independent type by nature; or perhaps he simply thinks thinks( or knows) there is AlwaysABiggerFish, making the search for an "all powerful" creator a pointless venture.
26th Mar '17 2:58:28 PM Fireblood
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* ''LightNovel/YoujoSenki'' gives us an extreme example in Tanya Degurechaff: in her previous life as a salaryman, she seriously dissed God when He talked to her in the moments before her death, refusing to address Him as anything other than "Being X". This pisses God off enough that, in her new life as a magical soldier in an alternate version of WWI-era Germany, she is forced to pray to Him to keep her SuperPrototype magical gem from killing her.
10th Feb '17 2:27:33 PM wootzits
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* In Bernard Cornwell's ''[[Literature/TheWarlordChronicles Warlord Chronicles]]'' King Arthur doesn't dispute the existence of the gods and is technically a Mithraist [[spoiler:and later, just as technically, a Christian]] but believes that men are better off taking their fate into their own hands.

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* In Bernard Cornwell's ''[[Literature/TheWarlordChronicles Warlord Chronicles]]'' ''Literature/TheWarlordChronicles'' King Arthur doesn't dispute the existence of the gods and is technically a Mithraist [[spoiler:and later, just as technically, a Christian]] but believes that men are better off taking their fate into their own hands.


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** Cloudstar was the leader of [=SkyClan=] when they were driven out by the other four Clans in ancient times. In response to this, he renounces [=StarClan=], saying that the spirits of their ancestors aren't worth worshipping if they allow Twolegs to destroy their territory and do nothing to help.
6th Feb '17 1:38:37 AM Darthman616
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* George Costanza in ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'' seems to resemble this to at least some degree. In the episode ''The Pilot'' when talking to a therapist after headway is being made on he and Jerry's show for NBC claims that, "God would never let me be successful." When the therapist says that she thought he didn't believe in God he replies, "I do for the bad things." Throughout the rest of the episode he continues to repeat such statements.

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* George Costanza in ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'' seems to resemble this to at least some degree.fit. In the episode ''The Pilot'' when talking to a therapist after headway is being made on he and Jerry's show for NBC claims that, "God would never let me be successful." When the therapist says that she thought he didn't believe in God he replies, "I do for the bad things." Throughout the rest of the episode he continues to repeat such statements.
3rd Feb '17 6:44:18 PM mangafan96
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* Naoya from ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' knows very well that God exists, just that he '''hates''' Him. [[spoiler:With good reasons]].

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* Naoya from ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' knows very well that God exists, just that he '''hates''' Him. [[spoiler:With good reasons]].[[spoiler:Do to being the reincarnation of Cain]].
28th Jan '17 5:41:47 PM raja302
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** Tyrion Lannister wants to take a crossbow with him when he dies so that he can thank the heavenly Father the [[{{Patricide}} same way he did the earthly one]].

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** Tyrion Lannister wants to take a crossbow with him when he dies so that he can [[spoiler: thank the heavenly Father the [[{{Patricide}} same way he did the earthly one]].one]]]].
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