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23rd Aug '16 5:02:10 AM isoycrazy
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** Havelock Vetinari is extremely intelligent and fully aware of the Disc's deities, but [[InVinoVeritas after a few drinks]] in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' stated that "If there is any kind of supreme being, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."

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** Havelock Vetinari is extremely intelligent and fully aware of the Disc's deities, but [[InVinoVeritas after a few drinks]] in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'' stated that "If there is any kind of supreme being, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior." "[[note]]He came to this belief as a young man who watches as a mother otter feeds her pup a dead salmon and her laid eggs. Mother and child designed to feast upon mother and child.[[/note]]



** As for the title character, Harry Dresden's best friend is one of the aforementioned Knights of the Cross, as a magic-user he dallies with the supernatural each day, he's conjured up demons and done battle with devils, and he's even sat down and chatted with several deities. But Harry's not very religious, and when it comes to God, Harry thinks that [[GodIsGood He has good intentions]] but needs to be more involved - at one point Harry even [[RageAgainstTheHeavens calls out God]] for apparently doing nothing when the [[FallenAngel Knights of the Blackened Denarius]] seem to get direct aid from Satan, which leads to Michael getting severely injured. For His part, God seems on good terms with Dresden judging from the number of times the Knights of the Cross have [[ContrivedCoincidence been available]] to help him, and [[spoiler:Harry was even given Soulfire, the same power the angels use, to counteract Satan's assistance to the Denarians]]. Also note that while Harry is not very observant, he does have [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve enough faith]] in the positive power of magic to use his pentacle amulet as a holy symbol against vampires.

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** As for the title character, Harry Dresden's best friend is one of the aforementioned Knights of the Cross, as a magic-user he dallies with the supernatural each day, he's conjured up demons and done battle with devils, and he's even sat down and chatted with several deities. But Harry's not very religious, and when it comes to God, Harry thinks that [[GodIsGood He has good intentions]] but needs to be more involved - at one point Harry even [[RageAgainstTheHeavens calls out God]] for apparently doing nothing when the [[FallenAngel Knights of the Blackened Denarius]] seem to get direct aid from Satan, which leads to Michael getting severely injured. For His part, God seems on good terms with Dresden judging from the number of times the Knights of the Cross have [[ContrivedCoincidence been available]] to help him, allowed a disguised ArchangelUriel to speak with Harry and [[spoiler:Harry was even given Soulfire, the same power the angels use, to counteract Satan's assistance to the Denarians]]. Also note that while Harry is not very observant, he does have [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve enough faith]] in the positive power of magic to use his pentacle amulet as a holy symbol against vampires.
9th Aug '16 11:17:12 PM PaulA
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* In Steven Brust's ''{{Dragaera}}'' series everyone admits the existence of gods, but dragaerians (elfs) are nay-theists in relation to those gods, while the human race sincerely worships the same beings.

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* In Steven Brust's ''{{Dragaera}}'' ''Literature/{{Dragaera}}'' series everyone admits the existence of gods, but dragaerians (elfs) are nay-theists in relation to those gods, while the human race sincerely worships the same beings.
11th Jul '16 9:48:31 AM Premonition45
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-->'''Salieri:''' Because You are unjust, unfair, unkind, I will block you, I swear it. I will hinder and harm Your creature as far as I am able. I will ruin Your incarnation.

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-->'''Salieri:''' Because You you are unjust, unfair, unkind, I will block you, I swear it. I will hinder and harm Your your creature as far as I am able. I will ruin Your your incarnation.
11th Jul '16 9:36:34 AM Premonition45
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* In ''Theatre/{{Amadeus}}'', Antonio Salieri becomes this [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter as he starts getting overshadowed by Mozart]].
-->'''Salieri:''' Because You are unjust, unfair, unkind, I will block you, I swear it. I will hinder and harm Your creature as far as I am able. I will ruin Your incarnation.
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8th Jul '16 8:52:49 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/ArcOfFire'': Kail has concluded that it's pointless to worship any gods, since none have ever answered his prayers to them and give no indication of caring.
1st Jul '16 12:36:30 AM PaulA
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* Zakath from David Eddings's ''[[Literature/TheBelgariad Malloreon]]'', who admits that while he acknowledges the '''existence''' of the gods, he still can't accept that they play any sort of role in the world.
** He's basically got the right end of the stick on the gods; Aldur and [=UL=] are the only ones who still interact with their followers to any degree anymore, and even they don't really get involved unless they ''must'' (Aldur to get Belgarath, Belgarion and Silk away from Vorduvai, and [=UL=] to tell Relg to stop being a [[JerkAss troublemaker]] and go with the companions.) He's ''seriously wrong'' about the [[ThePowersThatBe Prophecies]] not having any real impact, though.
*** The gods left ''deliberately'' because if they'd stayed, they'd have had to confront Torak, and that would have risked destroying the world, thereby fucking up the Prophecies on a horrific scale.
* [[spoiler: Zalasta]] in the ''[[Literature/TheElenium Tamuli]]'' is another shining example. Most gods he simply tries to exploit in order to achieve his goals. To make him fit ''fully'' into this trope, his primary goal is to ''kill Aphrael, Child Goddess of Styricum''.

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* Zakath from David Eddings's ''[[Literature/TheBelgariad Malloreon]]'', ''Literature/TheMalloreon'', who admits that while he acknowledges the '''existence''' ''existence'' of the gods, he still can't accept that they play any sort of role in the world.
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world. He's basically got the right end of the stick on the gods; Aldur and [=UL=] are the only ones who still interact with their followers to any degree anymore, and even they don't really get involved unless they ''must'' (Aldur to get Belgarath, Belgarion and Silk away from Vorduvai, and [=UL=] to tell Relg to stop being a [[JerkAss troublemaker]] and go with the companions.) He's ''seriously wrong'' about the [[ThePowersThatBe Prophecies]] not having any real impact, though.
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though. The gods left ''deliberately'' because if they'd stayed, they'd have had to confront Torak, and that would have risked destroying the world, thereby fucking up the Prophecies on a horrific scale.
* [[spoiler: Zalasta]] [[spoiler:Zalasta]] in the ''[[Literature/TheElenium Tamuli]]'' is another shining example.''Literature/TheTamuli''. Most gods he simply tries to exploit in order to achieve his goals. To make him fit ''fully'' into this trope, his primary goal is to ''kill Aphrael, Child Goddess of Styricum''.
21st Jun '16 12:42:20 PM WanderingBrowser
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** [[TabletopGame/GeistTheSinEater Sin-Eaters]] may play this straight or may avert this; although their religions are often cobbled together from what they've seen of the underworld and, often, bits and pieces of their original beliefs or their occult lore, they tend to be very sincere about it. Dying and coming back from the dead tends to breed a respect for the idea that there are more things out there than humans are generally aware of.
** [[TabletopGame/MummyTheArisen Mummies]] know for a fact that the Judges of Duat are real -- they can hear them screaming in their souls when the Arisen thinks about disobeying, and they only exist because the Judges created them in the first place. So the vast majority of the Arisen do worship and homage the Judges. On the other hand, they tend to be scornful towards human religions, save for how they can utilise and exploit them; after all, Mummies were created [[TimeAbyss centuries before the Abrahamic faiths existed]], and many of the Arisen can remember ''being there'' for the founding of Islam and doing battle against Judaic heroes during the time period the Old Testament calls the Book of Judges. MThat said, a few of the Arisen have recreated their faith in a more henotheistic [[note]]There are many gods, but only one is worthy of worship, which is actually the original form of the Judaic faith during the Bronze Age[[/note]] interpretation. There's even a Muslim-practicing mummy mentioned in one of the sourcebooks.

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** [[TabletopGame/GeistTheSinEater [[TabletopGame/GeistTheSinEaters Sin-Eaters]] may play this straight or may avert this; although their religions are often cobbled together from what they've seen of the underworld and, often, bits and pieces of their original beliefs or their occult lore, they tend to be very sincere about it. Dying and coming back from the dead tends to breed a respect for the idea that there are more things out there than humans are generally aware of.
** [[TabletopGame/MummyTheArisen [[TabletopGame/MummyTheCurse Mummies]] know for a fact that the Judges of Duat are real -- they can hear them screaming in their souls when the Arisen thinks about disobeying, and they only exist because the Judges created them in the first place. So the vast majority of the Arisen do worship and homage the Judges. On the other hand, they tend to be scornful towards human religions, save for how they can utilise utilize and exploit them; after all, Mummies were created [[TimeAbyss centuries before the Abrahamic faiths existed]], and many of the Arisen can remember ''being there'' for the founding of Islam and doing battle against Judaic heroes during the time period the Old Testament calls the Book of Judges. MThat said, a few of the Arisen have recreated their faith in a more henotheistic [[note]]There are many gods, but only one is worthy of worship, which is actually the original form of the Judaic faith during the Bronze Age[[/note]] interpretation. There's even a Muslim-practicing mummy mentioned in one of the sourcebooks.
1st Jun '16 12:21:43 PM Skebaba
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** Also worth noting is that he himself is half-angel.
14th May '16 7:37:56 PM Fireblood
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** Note that the last line goes as far as to claim that anyone who doesn't worship any gods (or anything that isn't the Abrahamic deity, since it supposes that everyone inherently knows that other gods are fake) must be worshiping something else by default, [[{{Narcissist}} be it themselves]], [[{{Greed}} a material element ]], [[TheHedonist or pure pleasure]]. Some real life theists actually believe this is necessarily the case for atheists, even though these three ways of living just mentioned are not a vital pillar for lack of religious belief by itself, nor a necessary consequence of it. Others have argued this does not refer to atheism, which at the time was not really considered a possibility (at least in the West).

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** Note that the last line goes as far as to claim that anyone who doesn't worship any gods (or anything that isn't the Abrahamic deity, since it supposes that everyone inherently knows that other gods are fake) must be worshiping something else by default, [[{{Narcissist}} be it themselves]], [[{{Greed}} a material element ]], [[TheHedonist or pure pleasure]]. Some real life theists actually believe this is necessarily the case for atheists, even though these three ways of living just mentioned are not a vital pillar for lack of religious belief by itself, nor a necessary consequence of it. Others have argued this does not refer to atheism, which at the time was not really considered a possibility (at least in the West).less well known, but rather impiety.
4th May '16 1:00:55 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Similarly, Battler from ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'' is engaged in a very involved argument with a witch that he said doesn't exist. Her killing him, bringing him back to life, etc. has nothing to do with the issue. She eventually gets sneaky in her pursuit of his belief. And sadistic. Mostly sadistic. He verges somewhat into FlatEarthAtheist territory because his debate is literally over her existence - he does not, in fact, accept it. [[spoiler:Although he does swing in this direction in later arcs. At least enough to accept that Beatrice has enough of an existence to have motives]]. [[spoiler:And he switches sides when he winds up as Endless Sorcerer]].

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* Similarly, Battler from ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'' ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' is engaged in a very involved argument with a witch that he said doesn't exist. Her killing him, bringing him back to life, etc. has nothing to do with the issue. She eventually gets sneaky in her pursuit of his belief. And sadistic. Mostly sadistic. He verges somewhat into FlatEarthAtheist territory because his debate is literally over her existence - he does not, in fact, accept it. [[spoiler:Although he does swing in this direction in later arcs. At least enough to accept that Beatrice has enough of an existence to have motives]]. [[spoiler:And he switches sides when he winds up as Endless Sorcerer]].
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