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22nd Jul '17 6:37:44 PM Nintendoman01
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* ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'': The abuse [[BigBad Lex Luthor]] suffered at the hands of [[AbusiveParents his father]] led him to believe that God was either not powerful enough to stop it from happening, or [[TheGodsMustBeLazy simply didn't care]]. This is a key factor in his hatred of Superman, an actual God-like figure he can direct his anger toward.
-->'''Lex''': See, what we call God depends on our tribe, Clark Joe, 'cause God is tribal, God takes sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations! I figured it out way back! If God is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good. And if he is all-good, then he cannot be all-powerful...and neither can you be.
19th Jul '17 2:13:19 PM gb00393
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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees with. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.

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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees with.with, quoting him in "Blackwater" when she says "The gods have no mercy, that's why they are gods". Along the lines of a typical HollywoodAtheist backstory, he developed this attitude after the death of his beloved wife. Tywin also views his son Tyrion, whom he intensely dislikes, as a cruel lesson by the Gods to teach him humility because Tyrion can still fly Lannister colors despite Tywin's disapproval of him. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.
16th Jul '17 12:19:33 PM oforiousmic
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* Minene Uryuu, the 9th diary holder in ''Manga/MiraiNikki''. Having lost her parents at a young age to religious fighting, she's become a terrorist who only targets religions and considers God to be evil. And then one day, God answers and informs her that he wants her to participate in a game to decide his replacement... [[JerkassHasAPoint By killing MORE people]].

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* Minene Uryuu, the 9th diary holder in ''Manga/MiraiNikki''. Having lost her parents at a young age to religious fighting, she's become a terrorist who only targets religions and considers God to be evil.believes GodIsEvil. And then one day, God answers and informs her that he wants her to participate in a game to decide his replacement... [[JerkassHasAPoint By killing MORE people]].



* In ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', Tanis Half-Elven voices the viewpoint that the "Old Gods" aren't worth the trouble of looking for and certainly don't deserve mortal reverence, even though they did once exist and granted mortals powerful healing magic. Since the [[DesignatedHero "Gods of Good"]] were instrumental in causing an Earth-ravaging cataclysm, [[{{Gotterdammerung}} stripped mortalkind of their healing magic]], and abandoned them to rot in the wasteland whilst blaming their doing so on mortals, and only came back to the world because the {{God|dess}}OfEvil was secretly trying to sneak back and conquer the world to make it exclusively her domain, it's [[StrawmanHasAPoint not that unreasonable a viewpoint, for all Weis & Hickman insist that it's a good thing that the gods came back]].

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* In ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', Tanis Half-Elven voices the viewpoint that the "Old Gods" aren't worth the trouble of looking for and certainly don't deserve mortal reverence, even though they did once exist and granted mortals powerful healing magic. Since the [[DesignatedHero "Gods of Good"]] were instrumental in causing an Earth-ravaging cataclysm, [[{{Gotterdammerung}} stripped mortalkind of their healing magic]], and abandoned them to rot in the wasteland whilst blaming their doing so on mortals, and only came back to the world because the {{God|dess}}OfEvil GodOfEvil was secretly trying to sneak back and conquer the world to make it exclusively her domain, it's [[StrawmanHasAPoint not that unreasonable a viewpoint, for all Weis & Hickman insist that it's a good thing that the gods came back]].
16th Jul '17 12:18:12 PM oforiousmic
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* In ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', Tanis Half-Elven voices the viewpoint that the "Old Gods" aren't worth the trouble of looking for and certainly don't deserve mortal reverence, even though they did once exist and granted mortals powerful healing magic. Since the [[DesignatedHero "Gods of Good"]] were instrumental in causing an Earth-ravaging cataclysm, [[{{Gotterdammerung}} stripped mortalkind of their healing magic]], and abandoned them to rot in the wasteland whilst blaming their doing so on mortals, and only came back to the world because the Goddess of Evil was secretly trying to sneak back and conquer the world to make it exclusively her domain, it's [[StrawmanHasAPoint not that unreasonable a viewpoint, for all Weis & Hickman insist that it's a good thing that the gods came back]].

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* In ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', Tanis Half-Elven voices the viewpoint that the "Old Gods" aren't worth the trouble of looking for and certainly don't deserve mortal reverence, even though they did once exist and granted mortals powerful healing magic. Since the [[DesignatedHero "Gods of Good"]] were instrumental in causing an Earth-ravaging cataclysm, [[{{Gotterdammerung}} stripped mortalkind of their healing magic]], and abandoned them to rot in the wasteland whilst blaming their doing so on mortals, and only came back to the world because the Goddess of Evil {{God|dess}}OfEvil was secretly trying to sneak back and conquer the world to make it exclusively her domain, it's [[StrawmanHasAPoint not that unreasonable a viewpoint, for all Weis & Hickman insist that it's a good thing that the gods came back]].
13th Jul '17 5:51:56 PM Fireblood
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* Creator/DavidWeber has the ''[[Literature/TheWarGods WarGod]]'' trilogy, where gods manifest and choese champions all the time, with almost two dozen champions of the God of Justice running around. The race of Dark Elves/Orcs Hradani haven't had a single champion since the end of the last wizard war made the entire race into nay theists. It's so ingrained that most of the first book is the main character, Bahzell Bahnakson, running from clerics, wizards, and the gods themselves rather than being talked into being their champion.

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* Creator/DavidWeber has the ''[[Literature/TheWarGods WarGod]]'' trilogy, where gods manifest and choese choose champions all the time, with almost two dozen champions of the God of Justice running around. The race of Dark Elves/Orcs Hradani haven't had a single champion since the end of the last wizard war made the entire race into nay theists. It's so ingrained that most of the first book is the main character, Bahzell Bahnakson, running from clerics, wizards, and the gods themselves rather than being talked into being their champion.


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* ''Literature/TheDeedOfPaksenarrion'': Duke Kieri Phelan has no love for Girdsmen and their marshals, thanks to a CynicismCatalyst. However, he is never shown to be a bad person because of this in fact, his personal honor is a byword. It's not the gods' existence that he denies, he just distances himself from the church of Gird. But, as it turns out, in a world where evil gods exist and take a vested interest in human affairs, it definitely helps to have servants of Good on your side.
9th Jul '17 7:08:07 PM Fireblood
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* Creator/DavidWeber has the ''[[Literature/TheWarGods WarGod]]'' trilogy, where gods manifest and chose champions all the time, with almost two dozen champions of the God of Justice running around. The race of Dark Elves/Orcs Hradani haven't had a single champion since the end of the last wizard war made the entire race into nay-theists. It's so ingrained that most of the first book is the main character, Bahzell Bahnakson, running from clerics, wizards, and the gods themselves rather than being talked into being their champion.

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* Creator/DavidWeber has the ''[[Literature/TheWarGods WarGod]]'' trilogy, where gods manifest and chose choese champions all the time, with almost two dozen champions of the God of Justice running around. The race of Dark Elves/Orcs Hradani haven't had a single champion since the end of the last wizard war made the entire race into nay-theists.nay theists. It's so ingrained that most of the first book is the main character, Bahzell Bahnakson, running from clerics, wizards, and the gods themselves rather than being talked into being their champion.



** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees on. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the Gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.

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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees on. with. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the Gods gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.
9th Jul '17 8:49:39 AM gb00393
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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees on. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the Gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime is more of a HollywoodAtheist.

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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees on. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the Gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.
9th Jul '17 8:48:58 AM gb00393
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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists.

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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them. them, something which she agrees on. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father...father, calling the Gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime is more of a HollywoodAtheist.
22nd Jun '17 4:16:10 AM Couran
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** Solas from ''Inquisition'' will admit in banter with Cassandra that he believes the Elven Pantheon and the Old Gods were real, but he also believes they were not truly gods. In contrast, he does not believe The Maker exists, but he approves of the idea of a deity like The Maker who does not flaunt their power. [[spoiler:This doubles as AGodIAmNot, seeing as how Solas is actually one of the aforementioned elven gods.]]

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** Solas from ''Inquisition'' will admit in banter with Cassandra that he believes the Elven Pantheon and the Old Gods were real, but he also believes they were not truly gods. In contrast, he does not believe The Maker exists, but he approves of the idea of a deity like The Maker who does not flaunt their power. [[spoiler:This doubles as AGodIAmNot, seeing as how Solas is actually one of the aforementioned elven gods.'gods'. It turns out they weren't gods either, just incredibly powerful mages who set themselves up as gods, until Solas split the world in half with the Veil cutting them off from their 'worshipers' to prevent them trying to meddle further.]]
22nd Jun '17 4:02:52 AM Couran
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** There's an excellent example in Sanya. He once fell in with a group of {{Fallen Angel}}s, only to repent and be given a holy sword containing a nail of the True Cross by none other than the ArchangelMichael so he could fight evil as a [[ThePaladin Knight of the Cross]]. Despite this, Sanya describes himself as agnostic - after all, those devils and angels he encountered could be types of [[TheFairFolk faeries]] (which definitely exist in the setting and have no religious affiliation), or {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s (we haven't seen any yet, [[FantasyKitchenSink but give it time]]), or maybe he's insane and all of this is just a hallucination. The important thing is that Sanya sees his mission as worthwhile regardless of whether its a crusade or service to his fellow man - he's doing good work because it makes the world a better place, so do the specifics really matter?
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