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1st May '17 7:41:44 PM shawnmstewart
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*** In this particular case, William was taking advantage of an archaic rule himself. Thornton had already been tried and had been acquitted by a jury, normally a bar to further prosecution. William was taking advantage of a by-then nearly obsolete rule which allowed a private individual to bring a criminal case. Trial by combat wasn't generally available to criminal defendants, but it was still listed as a defense in this sort of private prosecution. Thornton's attorneys advised him to invoke the trial by combat rule to point out how irregular the second prosecution was in the first place (and of course to win, since Thornton totally outmatched William). Parliament got rid of the trial by combat following this whole debacle, [[ObviousRulePatch but they eliminated the private appeal as well.]]
7th Apr '17 2:20:10 AM AdamC
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* In ''Series/Daredevil2015'', Grotto, a Nelson & Murdock client, is killed by the Punisher. After Frank Castle is caught, Matt, Foggy and Karen visit him at the hospital with the intent of possibly representing him. District attorney Samantha Reyes attempts to send them packing by stating it's illegal for lawyers to defend a murderer that killed one of their clients, only for Matt to counter that if she's going to file the conflict of interest, Reyes will have to admit that she's responsible for jeopardizing Grotto's witness protection.

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* In ''Series/Daredevil2015'', Grotto, a Nelson & Murdock client, is killed being targeted by The Punisher. When Nelson and Murdock (after much convincing) get him to agree to come forward to the Punisher.police, the District Attorney Samantha Reyes intentionally uses him as bait to lure The Punisher out of hiding, leading to his death. After Frank Castle is caught, Matt, Foggy and Karen visit him at the hospital with the intent of possibly representing him. District attorney Samantha Reyes attempts to send them packing by stating it's illegal for lawyers to defend a murderer that killed one of their clients, only for Matt to counter that if she's going to file the conflict of interest, Reyes will have to admit that she's responsible for jeopardizing Grotto's witness protection.
4th Apr '17 3:55:31 PM FordPrefect
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** Expect any statement that X must be accepted and done because it's stated in the bible, to be followed up by quotes of many, many other examples from the same source that are not followed by pretty much anyone, and to modern eyes would lie somewhere between comedically ridiculous and will land you on death row for doing. Comically illustrated in this [[http://www.queerty.com/this-flow-chart-that-destroys-religions-case-against-gay-marriage-is-so-easy-any-zealot-can-use-it-20150506 flowchart]]

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** Expect any statement that X "X must be accepted and done because it's stated in the bible, Bible" to be followed up by quotes of many, many other examples from the same source that are not followed by pretty much anyone, no one follows, and to modern eyes would lie somewhere between comedically ridiculous "comedically ridiculous" and will "will land you on death row for doing.doing". Comically illustrated in this [[http://www.queerty.com/this-flow-chart-that-destroys-religions-case-against-gay-marriage-is-so-easy-any-zealot-can-use-it-20150506 flowchart]]flowchart]].
4th Apr '17 3:52:10 PM FordPrefect
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* In [[TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings Rokugan]], etiquette is one of the most important things to follow, sometimes resulting in a character getting his or her head cut off before the end of the night, without appeal, for saying something wrong or using inappropriate body language. The easiest way to get out of such a conundrum is to set it up so that reporting you would make more trouble for the person trying to make the report (for example: Ninjas officially do not exist. Trick someone into [[FalseDichotomy accusing you of being a ninja or not accusing you at all]], and they have no choice but to shut up or be executed while you get punished for a minor crime or even get off scot free). Members of certain clans get special exemptions for limited etiquette breaches, but if they RulesLawyer too much an NPC or fellow player is liable to say that they clearly know the rules and should be punished for their breaches accordingly.
* There's [[http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/humour/coast_moscow.htm a rather humorous story]] about a game of ''TabletopGames/{{Diplomacy}}'' where during a Winter phase (when each player can raise units) Russia ordered a fleet be raised in Moscow (a landlocked province where fleets can't enter at all) and then ''[[RefugeInAudacity tried to justify it as legal]]'' (normally such an order would be declared invalid and thus ignored) by refering to the rulebook. Turkey vehemently protested (in the context of the game, it was clear the move was hostile to him). Eventually, Italy and Turkey was able to use that same rulebook back on Russia to have the order declared invalid.

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* In [[TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings Rokugan]], etiquette is one of the most important things to follow, sometimes resulting in a character getting his or her head cut off before the end of the night, without appeal, for saying something wrong or using inappropriate body language. The easiest way to get out of such a conundrum is to set it up so that reporting you would make more trouble for the person trying to make the report (for example: Ninjas officially do not exist. Trick someone into [[FalseDichotomy accusing you of being a ninja or not accusing you at all]], and they have no choice but to shut up or be executed while you get punished for a minor crime or even get off scot free). Members of certain clans get special exemptions for limited etiquette breaches, but if they RulesLawyer too much much, an NPC or fellow player is liable to say that they clearly know the rules and should be punished for their breaches accordingly.
* There's [[http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/humour/coast_moscow.htm a rather humorous story]] about a game of ''TabletopGames/{{Diplomacy}}'' where during a Winter phase (when each player can raise units) Russia ordered a fleet be raised in Moscow (a landlocked province where fleets can't enter at all) and then ''[[RefugeInAudacity tried to justify it as legal]]'' (normally such an order would be declared invalid and thus ignored) by refering referring to the rulebook. Turkey vehemently protested (in the context of the game, it was clear the move was hostile to him). Eventually, Italy and Turkey was were able to use that same rulebook back on against Russia to have the order declared invalid.
4th Apr '17 3:49:26 PM FordPrefect
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* Wrestling/TheNewDay defended their Tag Team Champion status this way both as heels and as faces. The three-man team defended the generally two-person title under the "Freebird Rule", where any two members of the team could be challenged for the championship on any night. As heels, when the fight seemed to be a losing effort, the third member would interfere, force a loss by disqualification, and the team would keep the title. At least once, this was used as a storyline title defense as faces, as well. At Summerslam 2016, member Wrestling/BigELangston had been ({{kayfabe}}) injured with a low blow by [[Wrestling/BulletClub The Club, Gallows and Anderson]], and had to be substituted with Jon Stewart (yes, ''that'' Creator/JonStewart). As the pair were about to do the same to Mr. Stewart, Big E [[BigDamnHeroes came to the rescue]], losing the match, but saving both Stewart's testicles and New Day's now one year long championship reign.

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* Wrestling/TheNewDay defended their Tag Team Champion status this way both as heels and as faces. The three-man team defended the generally two-person title under the "Freebird Rule", where any two members of the team could be challenged for the championship on any night. As heels, when the fight seemed to be a losing effort, the third member would interfere, force a loss by disqualification, and the team would keep the title. At least once, this was used as a storyline title defense as faces, faces as well. At Summerslam 2016, member Wrestling/BigELangston had been ({{kayfabe}}) injured with a low blow by [[Wrestling/BulletClub The Club, Gallows and Anderson]], and had to be substituted with Jon Stewart (yes, ''that'' Creator/JonStewart). As the pair were about to do the same to Mr. Stewart, Big E [[BigDamnHeroes came to the rescue]], losing the match, but saving both Stewart's testicles and New Day's now one year long championship reign.
18th Mar '17 5:19:33 PM Doug86
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* [[http://imgur.com/gallery/V0gND This story.]] Warhammer40000 {{Loophole Abuse}}r deploys his entire army in reserve. His opponent's response? Deploy a line of scouts along the enemy's table edge, leaving no legal space for his army to enter. Judges rule that the second player has won the game.

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* [[http://imgur.com/gallery/V0gND This story.]] Warhammer40000 ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' {{Loophole Abuse}}r deploys his entire army in reserve. His opponent's response? Deploy a line of scouts along the enemy's table edge, leaving no legal space for his army to enter. Judges rule that the second player has won the game.
7th Mar '17 12:30:29 PM darkknight109
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* Happens frequently in ''TabletopGames/DungeonsAndDragons'', occasionally between players but more commonly between the player(s) and the DM. As an example, early versions of the rules for truth-divining spells (I.E. spells that would tell if player was lying or not) did not account for half-truths, creative wording, or lies that the teller believed were true. Thus they could be circumvented by inventive players, like mages hypnotizing their willing partymates to forget incriminating details of their activities, or smooth talkers finding ways to omit details from their responses or answer in a way that's "technically" truthful ("Me? No, I didn't kill the prince, that lion that mysteriously got released into his bedroom did.")
7th Mar '17 12:17:53 PM darkknight109
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* In ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'', Phoenix engages in a spirited bout of Rule-Fu with the final case's villain, [[spoiler: Police Chief Damon Gant. First, Gant insists he has immunity from testifying by dint of his position as Police Chief, which Phoenix eventually baits him into waiving. Gant then tries to force Phoenix to implicate his own client by making him present a piece of cloth from the murder victim with her handprint on it; Phoenix instead insists he has no evidence to present. When Phoenix later presents the cloth as evidence of Gant's guilt, the police chief tries to have it declared inadmissible because Wright did not present it earlier when asked (which he was required to do by the laws of evidence); Phoenix counters that, when Gant asked, the piece of cloth had no significance to the case (as Gant had not yet admitted to cutting it from the victim's clothing) and, thus, he could not have presented it as part of the case. Cue an extremely satisfying VillainousBreakdown from Gant.]]
2nd Mar '17 9:36:52 AM ThatFanwiththeGlasses
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* This is how you take down the BigBad of ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice''. [[spoiler:Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in, being the queen of the Kingdom of Khura'in, can [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem create new laws whenever things don't go her way]]. The only way to bring her to justice is to prove she has no spiritual power, which is mandatory for queens in this kingdom, meaning she has no legitimate claim to the throne and all laws she has created are null and void.]]
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6th Jan '17 10:55:24 PM ZanderSchubert
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* The ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Ensigns of Command" revolved around a human colony on a world claimed by the Sheliak Corporate. The Sheliak threaten to destroy the colony if it's not evacuated in four days (which is logistically impossible). Picard tries to negotiate with the Sheliak only to be rebuffed as they [[RulesLawyer cite various terms of the ridiculously complicated Treaty of Armens]]. Finally, Picard discovers a clause he can [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYCjqmbsmYA use against the Sheliak]]. He invokes the right to select a neutral third party to arbitrate, and chooses a race which is the middle of a six-month hibernation cycle. This time, it's the Sheliak's turn to balk (and finally, acquiesce).

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* The ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Ensigns of Command" revolved around a human colony on a world claimed by the Sheliak Corporate. The Sheliak threaten to destroy the colony if it's not evacuated in four days (which is logistically impossible). Picard tries to negotiate with the Sheliak only to be rebuffed as they [[RulesLawyer cite various terms of the ridiculously complicated Treaty of Armens]]. Finally, Picard discovers a clause he can [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYCjqmbsmYA com/watch?v=ILbLGNDqUxA use against the Sheliak]]. He invokes the right to select a neutral third party to arbitrate, and chooses a race which is the middle of a six-month hibernation cycle. This time, it's the Sheliak's turn to balk (and finally, acquiesce).
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