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6th Feb '16 2:19:02 PM Theriocephalus
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Redundancy.
* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' is a mixture of Diegetic and Alternative Universe. Any songs done by the character [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Pinkie Pie]] are usually the former, while most other solo songs and all whole cast numbers are the latter. ** Pinkie Pie's solo songs are all Diegetic (as other characters [[LampshadeHanging point out]] her tendency to burst into song, and she's shown preparing/rehearsing on several occasions), while most of the other songs generally follow the Alternate Universe or Adaptational concepts. "Find a Pet Song" was a completely unrehearsed duet, but was explicitly acknowledged to have been sung in-universe, and multiple characters have made in-universe shout-outs to the ensemble song "Winter Wrap Up", implying that the singing actually happened and is a normal thing for this universe. "This Day Aria", meanwhile, is a DistantDuet, which seems impossible to explain without resorting to the Adaptational view (not to mention that fake Cadance's part is her boasting about her evil plans out loud in front of everypony she fooled), and many songs (such as "True True Friend") flow across several scenes which could not possibly be taking place at the speed of the song. In the case of "Generosity", Rainbow Dash points out the weirdness of bursting into song randomly, implying it's an unusual thing in this universe, which, considering the earlier examples, makes for a bona fide MindScrew...which is made even MORE confusing when ''Rainbow herself'' seems to reference "The Failure Song" in ''Testing Testing 1, 2, 3''.
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' is a mixture of Diegetic and Alternative Universe. Any songs done by the character [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} Pinkie Pie]] are usually the former, while most other solo songs and all whole cast numbers are the latter. ** Pinkie Pie's solo songs are all Diegetic (as other characters [[LampshadeHanging point out]] her tendency to burst into song, and she's shown preparing/rehearsing on several occasions), while most of the other songs generally follow the Alternate Universe or Adaptational concepts. "Find a Pet Song" Pet" was a completely unrehearsed duet, but was explicitly acknowledged to have been sung in-universe, in-universe when Fluttershy asked Rainbow Dash "should we sing about it again?", and multiple characters have made in-universe shout-outs to the ensemble song "Winter Wrap Up", implying that the singing actually happened and is a normal thing for this universe. "This Day Aria", meanwhile, is a DistantDuet, which seems impossible to explain without resorting to the Adaptational view (not to mention that fake Cadance's part is her boasting about her evil plans out loud in front of everypony she fooled), and many songs (such as "True True Friend") flow across several scenes which could not possibly be taking place at the speed of the song. In the case of "Generosity", Rainbow Dash points out the weirdness of bursting into song randomly, implying it's an unusual thing in this universe, which, considering the earlier examples, makes for a bona fide MindScrew...which is made even MORE confusing when ''Rainbow herself'' seems to reference "The Failure Song" in ''Testing Testing 1, 2, 3''.

** In "May the Best Pet Win!", Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy have a duet about Rainbow choosing a pet. After the contest to choose it ends, Fluttershy asks "Should we sing about it again?" ** "The Pony Pokey" from "The Best Night Ever" is weird even for Pinkie, as she somehow knows about all the issues the other Mane Six are having, after they split up upon arrival at the gala. *** "The Pony Pokey" is a Diegetic song, as it is performed by Pinkie Pie to the Ponies at the Great Galloping Gala. However it is also SuspiciouslyAproposMusic, as its content mirrors the issues of the rest of the Mane Six, although they split up upon arrival and Pinkie shouldn't know what they're currently doing.
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** In "May the Best Pet Win!", Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy have a duet about Rainbow choosing a pet. After the contest to choose it ends, Fluttershy asks "Should we sing about it again?" ** "The Pony Pokey" from "The Best Night Ever" is weird even for Pinkie, as she somehow knows about all the issues the other Mane Six are having, after they split up upon arrival at the gala. *** "The Pony Pokey" gala. It is technically a Diegetic song, as it is performed by Pinkie Pie to the Ponies at the Great Galloping Gala. However it is also SuspiciouslyAproposMusic, as its content mirrors the issues of the rest of the Mane Six, although they split up upon arrival and Pinkie shouldn't know what they're currently doing.

** From the season 2 Finale, "A Canterlot Wedding", you have the "BBBFF Song" which is Alternate Universe, "This Day Aria" which is also Alternate Universe with a pinch of All In Their Head, and a very much Diegetic "Love Is In Bloom".
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** From the season 2 Finale, "A Canterlot Wedding", you have the "BBBFF Song" which is likely an Alternate Universe, Universe example, "This Day Aria" which is also Alternate Universe with a pinch of All In Their Head, Head as detailed above, and a very much Diegetic "Love Is In Bloom".
28th Jan '16 10:20:44 AM thekeyofe
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*** After "Cabin Fever," [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Clueless]] actually asks Polly the Lobster, "What was that song that just happened?" Polly thinks he's crazy, indicating Polly wasn't aware of the song. This indicates that it was All In Their Heads for the singers, but also for Clueless even though he wasn't singing.
28th Jan '16 9:23:37 AM dsneybuf
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* ''Theatre/TheWiz'' seems to follow the Alternate Universe hypothesis for most of the play's numbers. In the screen versions, "You Can't Win" (which didn't appear in the original Broadway production) provides a Digetic example, while songs that Dorothy sings when she has the set all to herself appear staged in a way that suggest that they occur All In Her Head.
28th Jan '16 8:55:18 AM dsneybuf
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* ''Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic'' follows the Diegetic Hypothesis for most of its songs, most notably the title song, "Edelweiss", "My Favorite Things", "The Lonely Goatherd", and the seemingly improvised "Do-Re-Mi". Some of the others seem to follow the Adaptation Hypothesis, such as "Maria" and the {{Love Theme}}s. (In the movie, Liesel sings "Sixteen Going On Seventeen" with Rolf ''before'' Maria teaches the Von Trapp children how to sing.)
28th Jan '16 8:43:56 AM dsneybuf
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Moving some movie adaptations of Broadway musicals to the Theatre Folder
* ''Film/{{Rent}}'' is mostly Alternate Universe with some All In Their Heads (e.g. ''Without You'' and ''What You Own''). There are a few diegetic numbers, though, such as "Your Eyes" and "Over The Moon". * ''Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'' is also largely Alternate Universe with some All In Their Heads (e.g. Sweeney's portion of ''Johanna (Reprise)'', part of ''Epiphany'') and a couple of seemingly diegetic (Toby's 'advertising jingles' first for Pirelli and then Mrs. Lovett's pie shop and the "Parlor Songs" sequence).

* ''Film/TheProducers'' seems to use every version of this in theirs. They are trying to produce a musical so some of the numbers are deliberately rehearsed, others take place in the real world but don't seem to be acknowledged as such, in fact, some of these have to be Adaptation Hypothesis because its only in a later "real world" number that Bialystock notices his co-producer's singing voice.

* ''Film/MammaMia'' combines AlternateUniverse with Diegetic, as several of the songs are either Donna and her friends reprising their old hits, or Donna's friends reprising their old standards to cheer her up.

* ''Film/{{Hairspray}}'' is a mixture of Alternate Universe and Diegetic, with one or two songs that might possibly be All In Her Head.

* ''Theatre/{{Rent}}'' is mostly Alternate Universe with some All In Their Heads (e.g. ''Without You'' and ''What You Own''). There are a few diegetic numbers, though, such as "Your Eyes" and "Over The Moon". * ''Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'' is also largely Alternate Universe with some All In Their Heads (e.g. Sweeney's portion of ''Johanna (Reprise)'', part of ''Epiphany'') and a couple of seemingly diegetic (Toby's 'advertising jingles' first for Pirelli and then Mrs. Lovett's pie shop and the "Parlor Songs" sequence). * ''Film/TheProducers'' seems to use every version of this in theirs. They are trying to produce a musical so some of the numbers are deliberately rehearsed, others take place in the real world but don't seem to be acknowledged as such, in fact, some of these have to be Adaptation Hypothesis because its only in a later "real world" number that Bialystock notices his co-producer's singing voice. * ''Theatre/MammaMia'' combines AlternateUniverse with Diegetic, as several of the songs are either Donna and her friends reprising their old hits, or Donna's friends reprising their old standards to cheer her up. * ''Film/{{Hairspray}}'' is a mixture of Alternate Universe and Diegetic, with one or two songs that might possibly be All In Her Head.

* ''ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' is approximately two-thirds Adaptation/All In Their Head and one-third Diegetic, with the [[ShowWithinAShow "operas"]] and a few other examples like "Music of the Night" (which is basically the Phantom attempting to seduce Christine via VillainLoveSong) happening as they would in real life but mostly with people singing what they would normally say or think to themselves. The film version supports supports the Adaptation Hypothesis by including scenes where characters actually ''speak'' the lyrics rather than sing them (although the result is [[{{Narm}} awkward]] to say the least).
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* ''ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' ''Theatre/ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' is approximately two-thirds Adaptation/All In Their Head and one-third Diegetic, with the [[ShowWithinAShow "operas"]] and a few other examples like "Music of the Night" (which is basically the Phantom attempting to seduce Christine via VillainLoveSong) happening as they would in real life but mostly with people singing what they would normally say or think to themselves. The film version supports supports the Adaptation Hypothesis by including scenes where characters actually ''speak'' the lyrics rather than sing them (although the result is [[{{Narm}} awkward]] to say the least).
20th Jan '16 4:29:05 PM ClockStopping
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* ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'' is generally an example of the Adaptation hypothesis: almost all of the songs involve two or more characters communicating directly, and the songs are clearly not rehearsed in-universe, and the whole musical is told in a modern-day style clearly intended to merely represent what was actually said rather than depict it faithfully. However, it also nods to the Alternate Universe hypothesis in that the characters do occasionally refer to the fact that they are singing (or, more often, rapping): in Aaron Burr, Sir, the revolutionaries press Burr to 'spit a verse, drop some knowledge', and in Farmer Refuted Hamilton riposites 'Don't modulate the key then not debate with me!' However, some songs are clearly all in the character's heads, such as Helpless or Hurricane. Also, some songs flip between different hypotheses: The Room Where It Happens starts with a straightforward conversation between Hamilton and Burr, then segues into a more narrative song as the characters explain that nobody really knows what happened in the room complete with demonstrations of what might have gone down, and ends with Burr soliloquising about his own motivations in his head.
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* ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'' is generally an example of the Adaptation hypothesis: almost all of the songs involve two or more characters communicating directly, and the songs are clearly not rehearsed in-universe, and the whole musical is told in a modern-day style clearly intended to merely represent what was actually said rather than depict it faithfully. However, it also nods to the Alternate Universe hypothesis in that the characters do occasionally refer to the fact that they are singing (or, more often, rapping): in Aaron Burr, Sir, the revolutionaries press Burr to 'spit a verse, drop some knowledge', and in Farmer Refuted Hamilton riposites 'Don't modulate the key then not debate with me!' (Of course, freestyle rapping is much more a real thing than freestyle singing, but it's hard to think of any setting in which ''cabinet debates'' are settled via rap as anything other than an alternate universe.) However, some songs are clearly all in the character's heads, such as Helpless or Hurricane. Also, some songs flip between different hypotheses: The Room Where It Happens starts with a straightforward conversation between Hamilton and Burr, then segues into a more narrative song as the characters explain that nobody really knows what happened in the room complete with demonstrations of what might have gone down, and ends with Burr soliloquising about his own motivations in his head.
20th Jan '16 4:23:17 PM ClockStopping
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* ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'' is generally an example of the Adaptation hypothesis: almost all of the songs involve two or more characters communicating directly, and the songs are clearly not rehearsed in-universe, and the whole musical is told in a modern-day style clearly intended to merely represent what was actually said rather than depict it faithfully. However, it also nods to the Alternate Universe hypothesis in that the characters do occasionally refer to the fact that they are singing (or, more often, rapping): in Aaron Burr, Sir, the revolutionaries press Burr to 'spit a verse, drop some knowledge', and in Farmer Refuted Hamilton riposites 'Don't modulate the key then not debate with me!' However, some songs are clearly all in the character's heads, such as Helpless or Hurricane. Also, some songs flip between different hypotheses: The Room Where It Happens starts with a straightforward conversation between Hamilton and Burr, then segues into a more narrative song as the characters explain that nobody really knows what happened in the room complete with demonstrations of what might have gone down, and ends with Burr soliloquising about his own motivations in his head.
6th Jan '16 9:12:14 AM Sorio99
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* The musical version of ''Theatre/BulletsOverBroadway'' seems to be a mix. A number of the songs, such as "Tiger Rag", "You Rascal You", "Lazy River", and David and Ellen's parts in "Ain't I Good To You", are clearly diegetic. "The Hot Dog Song" seems to be a mix of Diegetic and All In Their Head, with Olive genuinely singing the song to David and Marx while remembering how it was performed back in the day. Some other songs, such as the finale ("Yes, We Have No Bananas"), "Ain't I Good To You", and "Broken Heart For Every Light On Broadway" could just be characters singing songs they heard before while changing some lines to fit their situation-i.e. diegetic. A few songs seem to fall under All In Their Head ("Blues My Naughty Sweetie" seems to go completely unheard by David, and "The Panic Is On" is pretty clearly David having [[CaptainObvious a panic attack]]), but for the most part, all the others seem to be either Adaptation (appropriately enough) or Alternate Universe.
28th Dec '15 10:31:04 AM Anddrix
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* In ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures'' when Johnny Storm is traveling through multiple alternate realities he comes upon DrDoom confronting the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' with a song about their doom, making it a musical number in an AlternateUniverse from the perspective of the characters.
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* In ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures'' when Johnny Storm is traveling through multiple alternate realities he comes upon DrDoom Doctor Doom confronting the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' with a song about their doom, making it a musical number in an AlternateUniverse from the perspective of the characters.
4th Dec '15 8:27:51 PM nombretomado
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* ''SenkiZesshouSymphogear'' is a mix; The music academy and idol performances add diegetic elements, while the symphogear armors invoke the alternate universe version [[DiscoTech to power themselves]].
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* ''SenkiZesshouSymphogear'' ''Anime/SenkiZesshouSymphogear'' is a mix; The music academy and idol performances add diegetic elements, while the symphogear armors invoke the alternate universe version [[DiscoTech to power themselves]].
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