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18th Jul '17 10:46:33 PM Abodos
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** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild'', the draw strength on the Great Eagle Bow is noted to be almost impossible for anyone else to do, yet [[ArcherArchetype Revali]], its original owner, is on the slender side compared to beefier [[BirdPeople Rito]] like Kass.
16th Jul '17 8:08:24 AM Daylight
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* Some of the greatest knockout artist in boxing were fighters that didn't have big bulky muscles, but very lean well toned arms that allowed the full range of punching power, Thomas "Hitman" Hearns and Aaron Pryor are just a few examples. In fact, its proven that having big bulky muscles can actually be a setback and not an advantage for a boxer, with notable exceptions.
9th Jul '17 9:36:55 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', Loras Tyrell is still a teenager and frequently described as slender and feminine in appearance, yet he's one of the best fighters in the Seven Kingdoms and is seen kicking ass with full plate and battleaxe in one scene. He is, however, defeated by a larger, stronger fighter. (Although said opponent ''was'' psychotic enough to decapitate his own horse in a rage, so that was definitely a factor.)
** A more realistic example than some series. Leaner combatants can get by through skill or speed, but never or rarely overpower the larger fighters. No one has ever overpowered Ser Gregor Clegane, for example. [[spoiler: But a lean warrior such as Oberyn could certainly outmaneuver him into a killing blow.]]

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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', Loras Tyrell is still a teenager and frequently described as slender and feminine in appearance, yet he's one of the best fighters in the Seven Kingdoms and is seen kicking ass with full plate and battleaxe in one scene. He is, however, defeated by a larger, stronger fighter. (Although said opponent ''was'' psychotic enough to decapitate his own horse in a rage, so that was definitely a factor.)
** A more realistic example than some series. Leaner combatants can get by through skill or speed, but never or rarely overpower the larger fighters. No one has ever overpowered Ser Gregor Clegane, for example. [[spoiler: But a lean warrior such as Oberyn could certainly outmaneuver him into a killing blow.]]
11th Jun '17 2:56:28 PM ultimomant
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* {{Subverted}} in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan''; [[TheAce Mik]][[MamaBear asa]] is one of the most powerful fighters on the show and strong enough to [[EffortlessAmazonianLift carry her brother over her shoulder]], among other things, but usually appears pretty tiny. That is, until you catch a glimpse of how [[http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/b4438a95356d548dca029c7d9d1f61771370697749_full.jpg absolutely ripped]] she is under that uniform.

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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'':
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{{Subverted}} in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan''; with [[TheAce Mik]][[MamaBear asa]] asa]]. She is one of the most powerful fighters on the show and strong enough to [[EffortlessAmazonianLift carry her brother over her shoulder]], among other things, but usually appears pretty tiny. That is, until you catch a glimpse of how [[http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/b4438a95356d548dca029c7d9d1f61771370697749_full.jpg absolutely ripped]] she is under that uniform.
** Levi is short and scrawny, but is even faster, stronger, and tougher than Mikasa.
4th Jun '17 7:15:26 PM Gargoyle_Kid
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Weaker characters beating the stronger characters is often a demonstration of the fact that skill and other factors can trump strength in a fight, which is TruthInTelevision to a certain degree, but not really an example of this trope.

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Weaker characters beating the stronger characters is often a demonstration of the fact that skill and other factors can trump strength in a fight, which is TruthInTelevision to a certain degree, but not really an example of their methods have nothing to do with this trope.
5th May '17 4:33:24 PM MajinAkuma
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* ''VisualNovel/DanganRonpa'': Sakura Oogami is an extremely muscular BrawnHilda, yet during one of her Free Time Events, she tells Naegi that muscles are meaningless if you don't know how to use them and lack skills. She also says that training every muscle is more important than training individual ones and building too much muscle could make them stiff.
23rd Apr '17 5:11:14 PM nombretomado
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* Most fist fighters and two-handed weapon users in ''Franchise/TalesSeries'' tend to fall into this category.

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* Most fist fighters and two-handed weapon users in ''Franchise/TalesSeries'' ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' tend to fall into this category.
20th Apr '17 11:36:32 PM merotoker
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** His brother Sesshomaru counts as well. The ''very first thing'' we see Sesh pull in the manga is placing his hand lightly on a big, muscular man's head... and ripping it clean off without even a hint of effort. He's not any ''less'' muscular than Inuyasha (both of them do have some muscle tone, which is more than can be said of many {{Bishonen}}), but he isn't any ''more'' so, either. WordOfGod states that Sesshoumaru's ''one arm strength alone'' is equal to Inuyasha's whole strengh.

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** His brother Sesshomaru counts as well. The ''very first thing'' we see Sesh pull in the manga is placing his hand lightly on a big, muscular man's head... and ripping it clean off without even a hint of effort. He's not any ''less'' muscular than Inuyasha (both of them do have some muscle tone, which is more than can be said of many {{Bishonen}}), but he isn't any ''more'' so, either. WordOfGod states that Sesshoumaru's ''one arm strength alone'' is equal to Inuyasha's whole strengh.strength.



** Averted later in AIKI-S with Cassandra, who is a literal [[AmazonianBeauty amazon]] at 8 feet tall with the physique of a bodybuilder. Her physique actually helps her go toe-to-toe against the protagonist, Joukyuu, who had so far been seen wiping the floor with everybody.

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** Averted later in AIKI-S with Cassandra, who is a literal [[AmazonianBeauty amazon]] {{Amazon|ianBeauty}} at 8 feet tall with the physique of a bodybuilder. Her physique actually helps her go toe-to-toe against the protagonist, Joukyuu, who had so far been seen wiping the floor with everybody.



* Justified for force users in ''Franchise/StarWars'' in that [[MindOverMatter the force]] is much more powerful than mere physical strength and can even enhance it,which means that both Jedi and Sith don't need to be extremely fit in order to defeat an opponent twice their size or lift heavy objects that would crush a normal person.

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* Justified for force users in ''Franchise/StarWars'' in that [[MindOverMatter the force]] is much more powerful than mere physical strength and can even enhance it,which it, which means that both Jedi and Sith don't need to be extremely fit in order to defeat an opponent twice their size or lift heavy objects that would crush a normal person.



* Little Mac from ''VideoGame/PunchOut'' isn't even five feet tall and weighs a little over a hundred pounds, but he can defeat a variety of legendary heavyweight boxers such as Mike Tyson himself. PlayedWith in that Little Mac has significantly less attack power, and stamina then the [[BossGame other opponents]], but wins due to the player exploiting the bosses mistakes, and fighting patterns.

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* Little Mac from ''VideoGame/PunchOut'' isn't even five feet tall and weighs a little over a hundred pounds, but he can defeat a variety of legendary heavyweight boxers such as Mike Tyson himself. PlayedWith [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in that Little Mac has significantly less attack power, and stamina then the [[BossGame other opponents]], but wins due to the player exploiting the bosses mistakes, and fighting patterns.



* In ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'', at your complete whim you can change your hulking, muscular beast of a character to a stick-like [[PrettyBoy bishie]] twerp on the spot via [[MagicPlasticSurgery plastic surgery]], but you can still drop kick grown men, throw people across a highway, and manhandle a [[EliteMook brute]] with a baseball bat like it's no big deal.

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* In ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'', at your complete whim you can change your hulking, muscular beast of a character to a stick-like [[PrettyBoy bishie]] twerp on the spot via [[MagicPlasticSurgery plastic surgery]], but you can still drop kick grown men, throw people across a highway, and manhandle a [[EliteMook [[EliteMooks brute]] with a baseball bat like it's no big deal.



* Knuckles in [[Franchise/SonicThehedgehog Sonic the Hedgehog]], as well as Mighty in the comics, are both roughly the same size as Sonic (Knuckles is a little shorter) but have the power to match the likes of Vector, Storm, Big, Omega, [[VideoGame/MarioandSonicattheOlympicGames Wario, Bowser, and even Donkey Kong]] In Mighty's case, he was [[spoiler:given super strength by Mammoth Mogul]] and while the comics explain Knuckles was [[spoiler:experimented on at birth]] the games offer no such explanation for his power.

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* Knuckles in [[Franchise/SonicThehedgehog Sonic the Hedgehog]], Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog, as well as Mighty in the comics, are both roughly the same size as Sonic (Knuckles is a little shorter) but have the power to match the likes of Vector, Storm, Big, Omega, [[VideoGame/MarioandSonicattheOlympicGames Wario, Bowser, and even Donkey Kong]] In Mighty's case, he was [[spoiler:given super strength by Mammoth Mogul]] and while the comics explain Knuckles was [[spoiler:experimented on at birth]] the games offer no such explanation for his power.



* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls''. They can defeat a muscular and super intelligent talking monkey, several large criminals, the finest in technology and human advances that money could buy, an extremely muscular (and kinda fat) pink hillbilly monster who's only truly terrifying when he actually does flex his muscles, several giant robots, monsters, genetic mutations, and even satan himself. Keep in mind that we're talking about three kindergarten girls.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls''. They can defeat a muscular and super intelligent talking monkey, several large criminals, the finest in technology and human advances that money could buy, an extremely muscular (and kinda fat) pink hillbilly monster who's only truly terrifying when he actually does flex his muscles, several giant robots, monsters, genetic mutations, and even satan Satan himself. Keep in mind that we're talking about three kindergarten girls.



** In Toph's case, this relates specifically to her earthbending. She is clearly very strong for her size and age, often hurting her teammates, no pushovers themselves, with with playful punches. However, situations where she lacks earthbending tend to emphasize her helplessness. This is partly because it takes away the DisabilitySuperpower that allows her to bypass her blindness, but she never demonstrates superior martial arts skills when not aided by her earthbending.
** [[WesternAnimation/LegendOfKorra The sequel]] has a number of less muscular characters, often airbenders, kicking around people twice their size, but the most notable example would be Asami Sato, who is the resident BadassNormal and can handle herself against larger people and benders despite her slim figure, in stark contrast to [[MusclesAreMeaningful Korra's]] [[BoobsOfSteel physique]]. She manages to ''rip the railing off'' of a door while having her hands chained to it, then snarks about the shoddy worksmanship.

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** In Toph's case, this relates specifically to her earthbending. She is clearly very strong for her size and age, often hurting her teammates, no pushovers themselves, with with playful punches. However, situations where she lacks earthbending tend to emphasize her helplessness. This is partly because it takes away the DisabilitySuperpower that allows her to bypass her blindness, but she never demonstrates superior martial arts skills when not aided by her earthbending.
** [[WesternAnimation/LegendOfKorra [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra The sequel]] has a number of less muscular characters, often airbenders, kicking around people twice their size, but the most notable example would be Asami Sato, who is the resident BadassNormal and can handle herself against larger people and benders despite her slim figure, in stark contrast to [[MusclesAreMeaningful Korra's]] [[BoobsOfSteel physique]]. She manages to ''rip the railing off'' of a door while having her hands chained to it, then snarks about the shoddy worksmanship.
14th Apr '17 8:01:36 AM pinkdalek
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'':
** Cloud. He's 5'7", making him the shortest human male in the cast. Also, while having well defined muscles, is much smaller than [[TheBigGuy Barret]]. Yet he's significantly stronger than anyone else in the party, carries a {{BFS}} like it's a feather, and in ''[[Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Advent Children]]'' he ''carries'' Barret ''one-handed'' at high speed. {{Justified|Trope}} in that he's been enhanced via magical techniques. His actual degree of musculature varies on the [[AdaptationalAttractiveness specific portrayal]] - it caused some minor InternetBackdraft when ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' was announced, in which Cloud is less muscular than he's usually portrayed and [[NothingButSkinAndBones very, very thin]]. Many fans thought this was silly, but many others thought it was appropriate for his [[PeopleJars history]] and [[DeathOfPersonality character at that point]].
** Tifa Lockhart, who looks like a waif but can keep pace with Jenova-enhanced {{Super Soldier}}s, and unlike Cloud, she has [[BadassNormal nothing going for her]] but [[BareFistedMonk her martial arts training.]]

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** Female characters in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' have slightly higher Magic stats and male characters have slightly higher physical stats (and the [[{{Bifauxnen}} androgynous]] Faris is in the middle), but the difference is only a few points and well overwhelmed by the statistical bonuses gained by equipping a Job. Based on how she is written as having magic powers outside of the Crystal's gifts, Krile was probably intended to be a magic user, but it's just as easy to turn her into an axe demon or martial arts champ.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' has Terra and Celes, who look like dainty, slim women and wield big swords. While not the physically strongest members of the party, they're the two most reliable JackOfAllStats characters the player gets and have access to the game's best weapons. Both are considered unusually strong in the game's story, as well. Justified in that Celes has been magically enhanced and Terra is not human.
**''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'':
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Cloud. He's 5'7", making him the shortest human male in the cast. Also, while having well defined muscles, is much smaller than [[TheBigGuy Barret]]. Yet he's significantly stronger than anyone else in the party, carries a {{BFS}} like it's a feather, and in ''[[Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Advent Children]]'' he ''carries'' Barret ''one-handed'' at high speed. {{Justified|Trope}} in that he's been enhanced via magical techniques. His actual degree of musculature varies on the [[AdaptationalAttractiveness specific portrayal]] - it caused some minor InternetBackdraft when ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' was announced, in which Cloud is less muscular than he's usually portrayed and [[NothingButSkinAndBones very, very thin]]. Many fans thought this was silly, but many others thought it was appropriate for his [[PeopleJars history]] and [[DeathOfPersonality character at that point]].
** *** Tifa Lockhart, who looks like a waif but can keep pace with Jenova-enhanced {{Super Soldier}}s, and unlike Cloud, she has [[BadassNormal nothing going for her]] but [[BareFistedMonk her martial arts training.]]]]
** Noctis in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV'' is on the scrawny side and dwarfed by [[TheBigGuy Gladiolus]], but he's also the MasterOfAll, proficient with all kinds of ridiculous weaponry (including {{BFS}}es bigger than his entire body), and physically tough. This is a side effect of his heightened magical powers, and it is hinted at numerous times that using so much magic to maintain his strength causes him various health problems.
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