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10th Dec '17 11:26:42 AM Hjortron18
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** Valkyrie in Film/ThorRagnarok is shorter than Loki, but beats said Demigod and captures him. She can even drag Thor around after knocking him out.

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** Valkyrie in Film/ThorRagnarok ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' is shorter than Loki, but beats said Demigod and captures him. She can even drag Thor around after knocking him out.
6th Dec '17 3:21:10 PM thecarolinabull01
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* WesternAnimation/DaveTheBarbarian is a very tall muscular guy but he's a total wuss who can't fight worth a damn and always gets his ass kicked by people and animals smaller than him.

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* WesternAnimation/DaveTheBarbarian is a very tall muscular guy but he's a total wuss who can't fight worth a damn and always gets his ass kicked by people and animals smaller than him. His sister, Princess Candy has SuperStrength despite being a normal-looking teenage girl, though whether or not she's stronger than Dave is unknown, she's just the one willing to use it.
3rd Dec '17 5:13:32 AM NexusLQ
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** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]].

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** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson]]'s Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]]. cost]].



** Loki is probably the least muscular ''Asgardian''/'''Ice Giant'' or [[PhysicalGod God]] for that matter and is especially scrawny compared to his older brother Thor (thanks to being played by Chris Hemsworth). However as seen in [[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]] he can still effortlessly NeckLift Tony Stark and throw him out a window as well beating the very muscly Captain America around with ease, plus Loki can fight his brother Thor equally as seen in the climax of his [[Film/{{Thor}} first movie]] and Avengers.

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** Loki is probably the least muscular ''Asgardian''/'''Ice Giant'' Asgardian/Ice Giant or [[PhysicalGod God]] for that matter and is especially scrawny compared to his older brother Thor (thanks to being played by Chris Hemsworth). However as seen in [[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]] he can still effortlessly NeckLift Tony Stark and throw him out a window as well beating the very muscly Captain America around with ease, plus Loki can fight his brother Thor equally as seen in the climax of his [[Film/{{Thor}} first movie]] and Avengers.



** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.

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** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.
3rd Dec '17 5:09:04 AM NexusLQ
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** Out of the Whitebeard Pirates, Marco has the least muscle mass and is far smaller than his captain, but he's also Whitebeard's NumberTwo and has one the strongest Zoan-type Devil Fruits aka ''Phoenix form''.

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** Out of the Whitebeard Pirates, Marco has the least muscle mass and is far smaller than his captain, but he's also Whitebeard's NumberTwo and has one the strongest Zoan-type Devil Fruits aka ''Phoenix form''.the ''Mythical Zoan-model Phoenix''.



** Similar to Robin, Nami has a surprising amount of strength for someone with super model physique. In the early series she could carry a sack of gold (which can weigh tons) around, in Water 7 she can long jump over buildings with no trouble. When faced with weaker foes she can bring down a MegatonPunch or a flurry of kicks (as seen Enies Lobby anime). On Weatheria, Nami showed she was capable of running extremely quickly while carrying both a heavy bag much larger than herself and also [[EffortlessAmazonianLift carry]] Wizard Haredas with great ease.

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** Similar to Same as Robin, Nami has a surprising amount of strength for someone with despite having super model physique. In the early series she could carry a sack of gold (which can weigh tons) around, in Water 7 she can long jump over buildings with no trouble. When faced Nami is capable of bringing down foes with weaker foes she can bring down a MegatonPunch or a flurry of kicks (as seen Enies Lobby anime). On Weatheria, Nami showed she was capable of running extremely quickly while carrying [[EffortlessAmazonianLift carrying]] both a heavy bag much larger than herself and also [[EffortlessAmazonianLift carry]] the Wizard Haredas with great ease. ease.



** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]].

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** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson]]'s Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]]. cost]].



** Loki is probably the least muscular Asgardian/Ice Giant warrior or [[PhysicalGod God]] for that matter and is especially scrawny compared to his older brother Thor (thanks to being played by Chris Hemsworth). However as seen in [[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]] he can still effortlessly NeckLift Tony Stark and throw him out a window as well beating the very muscly Captain America around with ease, plus Loki can fight his brother Thor equally as seen in the climax of his [[Film/{{Thor}} first movie]] and Avengers.
*** [[spoiler: Hela Thor and Loki older sister introduced in [[Film/ThorRagnarok Ragnarok]]'' is even skinnier but still [[CurbStompBattle mopped the floor]] with both her younger brothers, even [[EyeScream cutting Thor's eye]] out.]]

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** Loki is probably the least muscular Asgardian/Ice Giant warrior ''Asgardian''/'''Ice Giant'' or [[PhysicalGod God]] for that matter and is especially scrawny compared to his older brother Thor (thanks to being played by Chris Hemsworth). However as seen in [[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]] he can still effortlessly NeckLift Tony Stark and throw him out a window as well beating the very muscly Captain America around with ease, plus Loki can fight his brother Thor equally as seen in the climax of his [[Film/{{Thor}} first movie]] and Avengers.
*** [[spoiler: Hela Thor and Loki older sister introduced in [[Film/ThorRagnarok Ragnarok]]'' Ragnarok]] is even skinnier but still [[CurbStompBattle mopped the floor]] with both her younger brothers, even [[EyeScream cutting Thor's eye]] out.]]



** Gamora from the ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' has very skinny super model figure and yet she effortlessly overpowers Peter Quill who taller and more muscly than her. Even more impressively in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' she stops Drax (played by [[ProfessionalWrestling WWE]]'s Dave Bautista) from flying out of a the airlock by holding onto his safety rope. This justified since Gamora has BioAugmentation and cybernetic upgrades. Nebula is just as thin as Gamora but just as strong and more savage, though she's an outright {{Cyborg}}.
*** Rocket can wield weapons bigger than he is, despite being a small Racoon. Like Gamora this hand waved due to Bio Augmentation.
** Hope van Dyne aka ''Wasp 2'' isn't muscly like Scott aka [[Film/{{Antman}} Antman]] (played by a bulked up Paul Rudd). But with one punch to the nose she floors him quicker than the ScaryBlackMan who punched Scott in jail.

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** Gamora from the ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' has a very skinny super model figure and yet she effortlessly overpowers Peter Quill who taller and more muscly than her. Even more impressively in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' she stops Drax (played by [[ProfessionalWrestling WWE]]'s Dave Bautista) from flying out of a the airlock by holding onto his safety rope. This justified since Gamora has BioAugmentation and cybernetic upgrades. Nebula is just as thin as Gamora but just as strong and more savage, though she's an outright {{Cyborg}}.
*** Rocket can wield weapons bigger than he is, despite being [[PintSizedPowerHouse a small Racoon. Racoon]]. Like Gamora this hand waved justified due to Bio Augmentation.
** Hope van Dyne aka ''Wasp 2'' isn't muscly like Scott aka [[Film/{{Antman}} Antman]] (played by a bulked up Paul Rudd). But with one punch to the nose she floors him quicker than the ScaryBlackMan who punched down Scott in jail.



** Peter Parker aka Spider-Man plays this trope better than rest of the Avengers, and thanks to being the youngest one as well at the age of 15 but as seen in ''Civil War'' is a PintSizedPowerhouse. Like his comic counterpart, Tom Holland who plays Spidey is quite scrawny but still pretty [[ClarkKentOutfit trim under his clothes]] (as seen in [[Film/SpidermanHomecoming Homecoming]]) but still nowhere near as massive as the rest of his male peers. But this is to Peter's advantage as Bucky quickly found out when he tried punch Spidey with his [[ArtificialLimbs cybernetic arm]] and Peter [[PunchCatch effortlessly caught his fist]] something not even Cap could do.

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** Peter Parker aka Spider-Man plays this trope better than rest of the Avengers, and thanks to being the youngest one as well hero at the age of 15 but as seen in ''Civil War'' is and making him a PintSizedPowerhouse. Like his comic counterpart, Tom Holland who plays Spidey is quite scrawny but still pretty [[ClarkKentOutfit trim under his clothes]] (as seen in [[Film/SpidermanHomecoming Homecoming]]) but still nowhere near as massive as the rest of his male peers. But this is to Peter's advantage as Bucky quickly found out in ''Civil War'' when he tried punch Spidey with his [[ArtificialLimbs cybernetic arm]] and Peter Spidey [[PunchCatch effortlessly caught his fist]] fist]], something not even Cap could do.



** Dumbledore a seemly frail 116 (give or take) year old man could lift 14 year old Harry off the ground at the end of [[Literature/HarryPotterGobletOfFire Goblet Of Fire]]. In similar fashion Aunty Muriel an 107 year old Witch can swing a chair around and sit down quickly despite needing other people to assist her in walking earlier both times Harry marvels at the elderly people's strength, this justified as WizardsLiveLonger and could still be fit long after their prime.
*** By extension the 70 year old [[BigBad Voldermort]] has similar elderly strength despite pretty much never doing anything physical. In the movie he could bitchslap the much younger Harry around during his VillainousBreakdown.

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** Dumbledore a seemly frail 116 (give or take) 140 year old man could lift 14 year old Harry off the ground at the end of [[Literature/HarryPotterGobletOfFire [[Literature/HarryPotterAndGobletOfFire Goblet Of Fire]]. In similar fashion Aunty Muriel an 107 year old Witch can swing a chair around and sit down quickly despite needing other people to assist her in walking earlier both times Harry marvels at the elderly people's strength, this justified as WizardsLiveLonger and could still be fit long after their prime.
*** By extension the 70 year old [[BigBad Voldermort]] has similar elderly strength despite pretty much never doing anything physical. In the movie he could bitchslap the much younger Harry around during his VillainousBreakdown.



** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.

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** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.
3rd Dec '17 4:51:02 AM NexusLQ
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** Similar to Robin, Nami has a surprising amount of strength for someone with super model physique. In the early series she could carry a sack of gold (which can weigh tons) around, in Water 7 she can long jump over buildings with no trouble. When faced with weaker foes she can bring down a MegatonPunch or a flurry of kicks (as seen Enies Lobby anime), Nami is also stronger than Usopp who she defeated effortlessly in Arlong Parker. On Weatheria, Nami showed she was capable of running extremely quickly while carrying both a heavy bag much larger than herself and also [[EffortlessAmazonianLift carry]] Wizard Haredas with great ease.
*** Most impressively when [[ChefOfIron Sanji]] [[FreakyFridayFlip placed inside Nami's body]] he had no difficulty doing his usual Super Human antics, even SuperSpeed.

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** Similar to Robin, Nami has a surprising amount of strength for someone with super model physique. In the early series she could carry a sack of gold (which can weigh tons) around, in Water 7 she can long jump over buildings with no trouble. When faced with weaker foes she can bring down a MegatonPunch or a flurry of kicks (as seen Enies Lobby anime), Nami is also stronger than Usopp who she defeated effortlessly in Arlong Parker. anime). On Weatheria, Nami showed she was capable of running extremely quickly while carrying both a heavy bag much larger than herself and also [[EffortlessAmazonianLift carry]] Wizard Haredas with great ease.
*** Most impressively when [[ChefOfIron Sanji]] [[FreakyFridayFlip placed inside Nami's body]] he had no difficulty doing his usual Super Human antics, even SuperSpeed.
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** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]].

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** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson]]'s Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]]. cost]].



** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.

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** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.
3rd Dec '17 4:46:17 AM NexusLQ
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** Similar to Robin, Nami has a surprising amount of strength for someone with super model physique. In the early series she could carry a sack of gold (which can weigh tons) around, in Water 7 she can long jump over buildings with no trouble. When faced with weaker foes she can bring down a MegatonPunch or a flurry of kicks (as seen Enies Lobby anime), Nami is also stronger than Usopp who she defeated effortlessly in Arlong Parker. On Weatheria, Nami showed she was capable of running extremely quickly while carrying both a heavy bag much larger than herself and also [[EffortlessAmazonianLift carry]] Wizard Haredas with great ease.
*** Most impressively when [[ChefOfIron Sanji]] [[FreakyFridayFlip placed inside Nami's body]] he had no difficulty doing his usual Super Human antics, even SuperSpeed.



** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]].

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** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson]]'s Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]]. cost]].



** Loki is probably the least muscular Asgardian/Ice Giant warrior or God for that matter and is scrawny compared to his older brother Thor (thanks to being played by Chris Hemsworth). However as seen in [[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]] he can still effortlessly NeckLift Tony Stark and throw him out a window as well beating the very muscly Captain America around with ease, plus Loki can fight his brother Thor equally as in the climax of his [[Film/{{Thor}} first movie]] and Avengers.

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** Loki is probably the least muscular Asgardian/Ice Giant warrior or God [[PhysicalGod God]] for that matter and is especially scrawny compared to his older brother Thor (thanks to being played by Chris Hemsworth). However as seen in [[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]] he can still effortlessly NeckLift Tony Stark and throw him out a window as well beating the very muscly Captain America around with ease, plus Loki can fight his brother Thor equally as seen in the climax of his [[Film/{{Thor}} first movie]] and Avengers.



** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.

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** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.
3rd Dec '17 4:26:52 AM NexusLQ
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** Serpico has very little muscle mass and is about as skinny as Griffith in his shirtless scene, but still can rip apart demons and can even fight Guts evenly. Isidro has some muscly arms for a kid but not ripped as Guts was at his age nevertheless Isidro can cut up Trolls and other lesser horrors.

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** Serpico has very little muscle mass and is about as skinny as Griffith in his shirtless scene, but still can rip apart demons and can even fight Guts evenly. Isidro has some muscly arms for a kid but though he's not ripped as Guts was at his age nevertheless Isidro can cut up Trolls and other lesser horrors. horrors.



** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of Flash Thompson's jock friends actually feels Peter's biecep and tries to dissuade Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just hand waves it [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]].

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** Stan Lee was even asked in a letter, why none of Peter's classmates could see how muscular he is. Lee replied that if Peter's peers ''felt'' his arms they understand how strong he is, the ClarkKentOutfit is in effect for Peter. One of [[JerkJock Flash Thompson's jock Thompson]]'s friends actually does feels Peter's biecep and then tries to dissuade warn Flash before he fights Peter in a boxing match, Flash just hand waves shrugs it off [[CurbStompBattle to his cost]]. cost]].



** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.

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** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.
3rd Dec '17 4:21:13 AM NexusLQ
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** Tony Stark aka ''Film/IronMan'' while he's no beanpole is not as muscular as Cap, Thor or even Hawkeye. But Tony does do boxing with his bodyguard Happy and can wack Whiplash in head with racecar door as seen in Film/IronMan2. And in Film/IronMan3 Tony takes down a dozen guards with no [[PoweredArmour Iron Man suit]] at all and in [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]] he stops [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Bucky]] from shooting him with one wristwatch/PowerFist.
** Played very straight with Natasha Romanoff aka ''Black Widow'' she's got lithe figure and but still can take down Happy in once attack and defeat an army of henchman in ''Iron Man 2''. Nat even knocks Hawkeye out cold in ''Avengers'' and holds her own against Bucky in ''Winter Solider'' and ''Civil War'' both men being BrainwashedAndCrazy and latter having explicit SuperStrength.

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** Tony Stark aka ''Film/IronMan'' while he's no beanpole is not as muscular as Cap, Thor or even Hawkeye. But Tony does do boxing with his bodyguard Happy and can wack Whiplash in on head with racecar door as seen in Film/IronMan2. And in Film/IronMan3 Tony takes down a dozen guards with no [[PoweredArmour Iron Man suit]] at all and in [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]] he stops [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Bucky]] from shooting him with one wristwatch/PowerFist.
** Played very straight with Natasha Romanoff aka ''Black Widow'' though she's got lithe figure and but she still can take down Happy in once attack one move and defeat an army of henchman in ''Iron Man 2''. Nat even knocks Hawkeye out cold in ''Avengers'' and holds her own against Bucky in ''Winter Solider'' and ''Civil War'' both men being BrainwashedAndCrazy and latter having explicit SuperStrength.



** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.

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** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.
3rd Dec '17 4:11:46 AM NexusLQ
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** Averted with the most of the Kryptonians in Film/ManOfSteel with Superman and Zod being muscle bond, however played straight
with Faora (TheDragon) whose smaller and more willowy than her male colleagues but still capable of knocking the sun-powered Superman around like a beach ball. Ursa in ''Superman 2'' is of the same mold.

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** Averted with the most of the Kryptonians in Film/ManOfSteel with Superman and Zod being muscle bond, however played straight
straight with Faora (TheDragon) whose smaller and more willowy than her male colleagues but still capable of knocking the sun-powered Superman around like a beach ball. Ursa in ''Superman 2'' is of the same mold.



** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.

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** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.
3rd Dec '17 4:08:58 AM NexusLQ
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** Averted with the most of the Kryptonians in Film/ManOfSteel with Superman and Zod being muscle bond, however played straight Faora (TheDragon) whose smaller and more willowy than her male colleagues but still capable of knocking the sun-powered Superman around like a beach ball. Ursa in Superman 2 is of the same mold.

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** Averted with the most of the Kryptonians in Film/ManOfSteel with Superman and Zod being muscle bond, however played straight straight
with
Faora (TheDragon) whose smaller and more willowy than her male colleagues but still capable of knocking the sun-powered Superman around like a beach ball. Ursa in Superman 2 ''Superman 2'' is of the same mold.



** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.

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** Funnily enough Tetsuya Nomura drew Cloud with ''huge'' biceps in one Franchise/SuperSmashBros promo [[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg art]]. When he's initial initial [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/70/Cloud_Strife_Sketch2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130202104438 design]] for Cloud was far more lean.
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