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9th Aug '17 8:38:22 AM XenMon2
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* Played straight in the first two seasons (before VillainDecay set in) of ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman''. Characters skinnier than Batman (Riddler, Firefly) would go down easily in a fight, characters about his size ([[AdaptationalBadass Joker]], unpowered Bane) were about as skilled as him and could hold their own for a while, and characters bigger than him (Killer Croc, [[ThoseTwoBadGuys Punch and Judy]], powered Bane) could outfight him and had to be outwitted. The only exceptions were [[{{Acrofatic}} Penguin]] and [[WaifFu Catwoman]].
23rd Jul '17 10:01:12 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels is a good example. He's usually somewhere between 180 and 200 lbs. Which is easily in the junior/light heavyweight/cruiser weight category but when he bulked up as much he could he weighed in around 232, which is comfortably in the heavyweight range, but was still mostly booked in the junior/light heavyweight/cruiser weight ranks because Daniels will probably ''never'' have large pecks and thus never ''look'' light a heavyweight.

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* Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels is a good example. He's usually somewhere between 180 and 200 lbs. Which is easily in the junior/light heavyweight/cruiser weight category but when he bulked up as much he could he weighed in around 232, which is comfortably in the heavyweight range, but was still mostly booked in the junior/light heavyweight/cruiser weight ranks because Daniels will probably ''never'' have large pecks pecs and thus never ''look'' light a heavyweight.
23rd Jul '17 9:58:23 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** On the indies smaller women can bypass this but they'll normally have to rely on WaifFu during matches. [[Wrestling/KanakoUrai Asuka]] seems to be the exception that proves the rule, as she tends to rely on stiff shots and submission hold...and usually ends up beaten after the larger man toughs them out.

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** On the indies smaller women can bypass this but they'll normally have to rely on WaifFu during matches. [[Wrestling/KanakoUrai Asuka]] Wrestling/{{Kana|koUrai}} seems to be the exception that proves the rule, as she tends to rely on stiff shots and submission hold...and usually ends up beaten after the larger man toughs them out.


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* Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels is a good example. He's usually somewhere between 180 and 200 lbs. Which is easily in the junior/light heavyweight/cruiser weight category but when he bulked up as much he could he weighed in around 232, which is comfortably in the heavyweight range, but was still mostly booked in the junior/light heavyweight/cruiser weight ranks because Daniels will probably ''never'' have large pecks and thus never ''look'' light a heavyweight.
21st Jul '17 10:36:23 PM Daedalis
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** And {{PlayedWith}} in the case of Allomancers, who do ''not'' gain extra muscles to go with their magical Super-Strength. While this means that a skinny 5-foot-nothing girl can out-wrestle a 250-lb brute if she's burning pewter and he isn't, the burly man will still be that much stronger than the skinny girl if ''both'' are burning pewter.

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** And {{PlayedWith}} in the case of Allomancers, who While Allomancers do ''not'' gain extra muscles to go with their magical Super-Strength. While this means that Super-Strength, a skinny 5-foot-nothing girl can out-wrestle a 250-lb brute if she's burning pewter and he isn't, the burly man will still be that much stronger than the skinny girl if ''both'' are burning pewter.
27th Jun '17 11:47:15 PM Nintendoman01
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* Zangief of ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' fame is probably the TropeCodifier in tournament fighter video games, looming over his fellow cast members with muscles bulging everywhere and slow but powerful attacks. He can canonically breaks katana with his pecs.

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* Zangief of ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' fame is probably the TropeCodifier in tournament fighter video games, looming over his fellow cast members with muscles bulging everywhere and slow but powerful attacks. He can canonically breaks break a katana with his pecs.


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* ''WesternAnimation/{{ReBoot}}'': After the TimeSkip in Season 3, the now-adult Enzo Matrix is big and buff, and it shows when he's able to take on the super-strong Megabyte in a straight-up fight, and ''win''.
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4th Jun '17 3:56:43 PM XMenMutant22
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* ''LightNovel/TheAsteriskWar'': Lester Mcphail is probably the one packing the most muscle, when he wear's his grey shirt and he shows off the bottom portion of his abs.

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** Kale, from ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', is a straight example. Her [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Super Saiyan Berserker form]] is [[WeightTaller bulkier]] and [[StatuesqueStunner taller]] than most of her fellow Universe 6 Saiyan (including her normal form), and easily steamrolls Cabba.[[note]] He, ironically, normally provides an example of [[MusclesAreMeaningless the opposite]].[[/note]]
* ''LightNovel/TheAsteriskWar'': Lester Mcphail is probably the one packing the most muscle, muscle when he wear's his grey gray shirt and he shows off the bottom portion of his abs.



** The (physically) strongest [[Characters/HunterXHunterGeneiRyodan Phantom Troupe]] member, Uvogin, is a perfect example of TheBrute, being 8 feet 6 inches tall and weighing f
** One of Gon and Killua's teachers, Biscuit Kreuger, is actually a humongous hunk who disguises herself as a little girl because it hides her true strength, and because it's cute. She's actually really strong because she's extremely muscular, and just hides that.

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** The (physically) strongest [[Characters/HunterXHunterGeneiRyodan Phantom Troupe]] member, Uvogin, is a perfect example of TheBrute, being 8 feet 6 inches tall and weighing f
416 pounds.
** One of Gon and Killua's teachers, Biscuit Kreuger, is actually a humongous hunk who disguises herself as a little girl because it hides her true strength, and because it's cute. She's actually really strong because she's extremely muscular, muscular and just hides that.
12th May '17 7:42:03 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** WWE uncharacteristically played this straight in the early 2010s regarding Jamie Keyes, Wrestling/{{Kaitlyn}} and Wrestling/{{Tamina}}. The former was shredded bodybuilder who just so happened to have no interest in becoming a pro wrestler and simply wanted to be a ring announcer. Keyes ended up asking for her release over the fact WWE kept trying to put her in the ring even though she never found it enjoyable. The "hybrid diva" Kaitlyn did have a desire to wrestle but was put on television with less than two months training. She lasted much longer than Jamie, at least. Tamina had one year's experience on the independent circuit, well ahead of the other two in many respects, but it would still be awhile before she caught up to Beth Phoenix or Natalya, who she was nonetheless immediately pushed as a threat to.

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** WWE uncharacteristically played this straight in the early 2010s regarding Jamie Keyes, Wrestling/{{Kaitlyn}} and Wrestling/{{Tamina}}.Wrestling/TaminaSnuka. The former was shredded bodybuilder who just so happened to have no interest in becoming a pro wrestler and simply wanted to be a ring announcer. Keyes ended up asking for her release over the fact WWE kept trying to put her in the ring even though she never found it enjoyable. The "hybrid diva" Kaitlyn did have a desire to wrestle but was put on television with less than two months training. She lasted much longer than Jamie, at least. Tamina had one year's experience on the independent circuit, well ahead of the other two in many respects, but it would still be awhile before she caught up to Beth Phoenix or Natalya, who she was nonetheless immediately pushed as a threat to.
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** WWE uncharacteristically played this straight in the early 2010s regarding Jamie Keyes, Kaitlyn and Tamina. The former was shredded bodybuilder who just so happened to have no interest in becoming a pro wrestler and simply wanted to be a ring announcer. Keyes ended up asking for her release over the fact WWE kept trying to put her in the ring even though she never found it enjoyable. The "hybrid diva" Kaitlyn did have a desire to wrestle but was put on television with less than two months training. She lasted much longer than Jamie, at least. Tamina had one year's experience on the independent circuit, well ahead of the other two in many respects, but it would still be awhile before she caught up to Beth Phoenix or Natalya, who she was nonetheless immediately pushed as a threat to.

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** WWE uncharacteristically played this straight in the early 2010s regarding Jamie Keyes, Kaitlyn Wrestling/{{Kaitlyn}} and Tamina.Wrestling/{{Tamina}}. The former was shredded bodybuilder who just so happened to have no interest in becoming a pro wrestler and simply wanted to be a ring announcer. Keyes ended up asking for her release over the fact WWE kept trying to put her in the ring even though she never found it enjoyable. The "hybrid diva" Kaitlyn did have a desire to wrestle but was put on television with less than two months training. She lasted much longer than Jamie, at least. Tamina had one year's experience on the independent circuit, well ahead of the other two in many respects, but it would still be awhile before she caught up to Beth Phoenix or Natalya, who she was nonetheless immediately pushed as a threat to.
12th May '17 7:35:27 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/CMPunk (6 ft., 218 lbs and not very defined) got his much overdue main event push in 2011. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. Also, [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Balor]] (5'11 and 190 pounds) who is the inaugural WWE Universal Champion. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, became one of WWE's top upper midcarders, and eventually became a top heel upon winning WWE Raw's Universal Championship. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a total badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one. WWE also used a much more realistic(in relation to other sports) 205 lbs for the standard of its revived cruiserweight division, meaning even wrestlers considered "average" in Wrestling/{{ROH}} like Cedric Alexander had to cut weight to qualify.

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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/CMPunk (6 ft., 218 lbs and not very defined) got his much overdue main event push in 2011. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. Also, [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Balor]] (5'11 and 190 pounds) who is the inaugural WWE Universal Champion. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, became one of WWE's top upper midcarders, and eventually became a top heel upon winning WWE Raw's Universal Championship. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a total badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one. WWE also used a much more realistic(in relation to other sports) 205 lbs for the standard of its revived cruiserweight division, meaning even wrestlers considered "average" in Wrestling/{{ROH}} like Cedric Alexander Alexander(smaller than Punk at 209) had to cut weight to qualify.
12th May '17 7:32:39 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/CMPunk (6 ft., 218 lbs and not very defined) got his much overdue main event push in 2011. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. Also, [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Balor]] (5'11 and 190 pounds) who is the inaugural WWE Universal Champion. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, became one of WWE's top upper midcarders, and eventually became a top heel upon winning WWE Raw's Universal Championship. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a total badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one.
* This is also the case in women's wrestling but it did not undergo the same size escalation men's wrestling did in the 1980s. In fact the WWF, largely responsible for the inflating size of male wrestlers (180 lbs to 220 lbs as heavyweight "minimum"), did the opposite with women (where 130 lbs was considered heavyweight minimum), pushing a slew of "short" wrestlers such as Wrestling/{{Ivory}}, Wrestling/{{Jacqueline}}, Wrestling/TrishStratus, Wrestling/MollyHolly and Wrestling/MickieJames as serious champions along with "slim" wrestlers such as Wrestling/LayCool and Wrestling/AliciaFox. If the only wrestling one watched was WWF/E from 1999-2006 then why Wrestling/{{Melina}} Perez was declared "too small" when trying to break into the business would be incomprehensible. By the time she made it to the WWE everyone was used to seeing "divas" her size. Looking back at headliners of the previous WWF women's division, Wrestling/{{Madusa}}, Bull Nakano, Bertha Faye, Wrestling/LunaVachon, Wrestling/AjaKong would give one an idea though. Even Wrestling/{{Lita}}, [[Wrestling/{{Carlene Moore}} Jazz]] and [[Wrestling/LisaMarieVaron Victoria]] would have been in the "small" to "average" range then.

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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/CMPunk (6 ft., 218 lbs and not very defined) got his much overdue main event push in 2011. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. Also, [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Balor]] (5'11 and 190 pounds) who is the inaugural WWE Universal Champion. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, became one of WWE's top upper midcarders, and eventually became a top heel upon winning WWE Raw's Universal Championship. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a total badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one.
one. WWE also used a much more realistic(in relation to other sports) 205 lbs for the standard of its revived cruiserweight division, meaning even wrestlers considered "average" in Wrestling/{{ROH}} like Cedric Alexander had to cut weight to qualify.
* This is also the case in women's wrestling but it did not undergo the same size escalation men's wrestling did in the 1980s. In fact the WWF, largely responsible for the inflating size of male wrestlers (180 lbs to 220 lbs as heavyweight "minimum"), did the opposite with women (where 130 lbs was considered heavyweight minimum), pushing a slew of "short" wrestlers such as Wrestling/{{Ivory}}, Wrestling/{{Jacqueline}}, Wrestling/TrishStratus, Wrestling/MollyHolly and Wrestling/MickieJames as serious champions along with "slim" wrestlers such as Wrestling/LayCool and Wrestling/AliciaFox. If the only wrestling one watched was WWF/E from 1999-2006 then why Wrestling/{{Melina}} Perez was declared "too small" when trying to break into the business would be incomprehensible. By the time she made it to the WWE everyone was used to seeing "divas" her size. Looking back at headliners of the previous WWF women's division, Wrestling/{{Madusa}}, Bull Nakano, Wrestling/BullNakano, Bertha Faye, Wrestling/LunaVachon, Wrestling/AjaKong would give one an idea though. Even Wrestling/{{Lita}}, [[Wrestling/{{Carlene Moore}} Jazz]] and [[Wrestling/LisaMarieVaron Victoria]] would have been in the "small" to "average" range then.



** WWE uncharacteristically played this straight in the early 2010s regarding Jamie Keyes, Kaitlyn and Tamina. The former was shredded bodybuilder who just so happened to have no interest in becoming a pro wrestler and simply wanted to be a ring announcer. Keyes ended up asking for her release over the fact WWE kept trying to put her in the ring even though she never found it enjoyable. The "hybrid diva" Kaitlyn did have a desire to wrestle but was put on television with less than two months training. She lasted much longer than Jamie, at least. Tamina had one year's experience on the independent circuit, well ahead of the other two in many respects, but it would still be awhile before she caught up to Beth Phoenix or Natalya, who she was nonetheless immediately pushed as a threat to.



* This is less of a thing in Mexico, where a more intricate system of weight classes enforced by the same athletic commission that oversees boxing makes it easier for small even by non athlete standard wrestlers to find work and possibly get themselves over. After the dojos in Japan refused to train Wrestling/JushinThunderLiger because of his size, he made his way to Mexico. The crowds tend to have an easier time excepting "small" wrestlers going over "large" foes too, such as the 5'8 Eddie Guerrero and 5'6 El Hijo Del Santo being runaway successes or the 200 lbs Maximo Sexy being Wrestling/{{CMLL}}'s World Heavyweight Champion when larger men such as Ultimo Guerrero were holding belts with lower maximum limits that the 214 lbs minimum Maximo's belt was supposed to have.. It is not completely averted though, as the largest member of Los Gringos Locos, Art Barr, far out shined his contemporaries at first. (Though given the fact they represented [[EvilForeigner foreign vice]], that may have been by design.)

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* This is less of a thing in Mexico, where a more intricate system of weight classes enforced by the same athletic commission that oversees boxing makes it easier for small even by non athlete standard wrestlers to find work and possibly get themselves over. After the dojos in Japan refused to train Wrestling/JushinThunderLiger because of his size, he made his way to Mexico. The crowds tend to have an easier time excepting "small" wrestlers going over "large" foes too, such as the 5'8 Eddie Guerrero and 5'6 El Hijo Del Santo being runaway successes or the 200 lbs Maximo Sexy being Wrestling/{{CMLL}}'s World Heavyweight Champion when larger men such as Ultimo Guerrero were holding belts with lower maximum limits that the 214 lbs minimum Maximo's belt was supposed to have.. It is not completely averted though, as the largest member of Los Gringos Locos, Art Barr, far out shined his contemporaries at first. (Though given the fact they represented [[EvilForeigner foreign vice]], that may have been by design.)) Also, when CMLL tried to push Rush after he won a body building contest [[HypeBacklash they ended up making him the most hated luchador in the company despite his tecnico status]].
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