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8th Feb '16 5:31:58 AM SolidSonicTH
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* In ProfessionalWrestling, this is taken to extremes, as few fans will accept a smaller (Wrestling/ReyMysterioJr, Wrestling/EddieGuerrero) or average sized wrestler (Wrestling/BretHart, Wrestling/AJStyles, Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, even Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin himself) as a main event contender without years of development. Whereas larger wrestlers (Wrestling/{{Kane}}, Wrestling/BrockLesnar, The Great Khali) may be advanced to the main event scene almost immediately after debuting. This is particularly noticeable in Wrestling/{{WWE}}, where 1) the promotion has access to much larger wrestlers than smaller promotions, and 2) the CEO, [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon Vince [=McMahon=]]], doesn't like smaller wrestlers and is reluctant to push them. Nowhere is this mentality more apparent than in the career of [[Wrestling/TheBigShow The Giant (Paul "The Big Show" Wight]], who had his pro wrestling debut (not just his first televised match, but his first match ''ever'') in the main event of a Wrestling/{{WCW}} Pay-Per-View for the world championship -- and won!
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* In ProfessionalWrestling, this is taken to extremes, as few fans will accept a smaller (Wrestling/ReyMysterioJr, Wrestling/EddieGuerrero) or average sized wrestler (Wrestling/BretHart, Wrestling/AJStyles, Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, even Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin himself) as a main event contender without years of development. Whereas larger wrestlers (Wrestling/{{Kane}}, Wrestling/BrockLesnar, The Great Khali) may be advanced to the main event scene almost immediately after debuting. This is particularly noticeable in Wrestling/{{WWE}}, where 1) the promotion has access to much larger wrestlers than smaller promotions, and 2) the CEO, [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon Vince [=McMahon=]]], Wrestling/VinceMcMahon, doesn't like smaller wrestlers and is reluctant to push them. Nowhere is this mentality more apparent than in the career of [[Wrestling/TheBigShow The Giant (Paul "The Big Show" Wight]], who had his pro wrestling debut (not just his first televised match, but his first match ''ever'') in the main event of a Wrestling/{{WCW}} Pay-Per-View for the world championship -- and won!

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* In ProfessionalWrestling, this is taken to extremes, The aforementioned Vince [=McMahon=]'s interest in muscled men has extended beyond the squared circle as few fans will accept he invested in a smaller (Wrestling/ReyMysterioJr, Wrestling/EddieGuerrero) or average sized wrestler (Wrestling/BretHart, Wrestling/AJStyles, Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, even Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin himself) bodybuilding competition called the "World Bodybuilding Federation" for a brief period in the early 90s. It was meant as a main event contender without years of development. Whereas larger wrestlers (Wrestling/{{Kane}}, Wrestling/BrockLesnar, The Great Khali) may be advanced competitor to the main event scene almost immediately after debuting. This is particularly noticeable in Wrestling/{{WWE}}, where 1) the promotion has access to much larger wrestlers than smaller promotions, and 2) the CEO, [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon Vince [=McMahon=]]], doesn't like smaller wrestlers and is reluctant to push them. Nowhere is this mentality more apparent than in noteworthy International Federation of Bodybuilders but it only lasted two years, as he quickly learned that the career of [[Wrestling/TheBigShow The Giant (Paul "The Big Show" Wight]], who had his pro reason people are attracted to professional wrestling debut (not just isn't necessarily the physique of the talent but the talent itself. Still, it's earned its place in history as the reinforcement of his first televised match, but his first match ''ever'') in the main event of a Wrestling/{{WCW}} Pay-Per-View for the world championship -- and won!entire philosophy.
21st Dec '15 9:30:16 PM DeisTheAlcano
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->''Then, [[Wrestling/YoshiTatsu Tatsu]] allegedly stomped across the kitchen and proceeded to open up a can on Wrestling/{{Sheamus}}, with some reports even characterizing the beating as bad enough to elicit tears from the future WWE Champion.'' -->Let this be a lesson to you, folks: Size doesn't matter...unless you want to get pushed in the WWE. -->--''[[http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1023762-wwe-20-pieces-of-trivia-that-are-just-weird-enough-to-be-true/page/14 20 pieces of WWE trivia that are just weird enough to be true.]]''
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->''Then, ->'''UGO report:''' Then, [[Wrestling/YoshiTatsu Tatsu]] allegedly stomped across the kitchen and proceeded to open up a can on Wrestling/{{Sheamus}}, with some reports even characterizing the beating as bad enough to elicit tears from the future WWE Champion.'' -->Let Champion. ->'''Drake Oz:''' Let this be a lesson to you, folks: Size doesn't matter...matter... unless you want to get pushed in the WWE. -->--''[[http://bleacherreport.-->-- ''[[http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1023762-wwe-20-pieces-of-trivia-that-are-just-weird-enough-to-be-true/page/14 20 pieces of WWE trivia that are just weird enough to be true.]]''
8th Dec '15 10:02:06 AM EDP
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* In ''Manga/TigerMask'' the size of a wrestler's muscles is a good indication of his ''physical'' strength. Then again, skills matter too, and physically weaker wrestlers defeat stronger ones just as often as they themselves are defeated by them.
7th Dec '15 6:56:42 PM Palindromee
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* In ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'', the formerly scrawny Kaneki gets a shirtless scene in chapter 88, revealing just how built his training to become stronger so he can protect everyone has made him.
30th Nov '15 8:35:41 PM HeraldAlberich
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** For {{Spider-Man}}, the "strong" villains were always large and muscular (e.g. the Rhino) while the villains who had other powers were slimmer (e.g. the Chameleon.) *** Carnage subverted this trend; he was at least as strong as Venom if not stronger (and thus stronger than Spider-Man) but was actually smaller and less muscular than Peter Parker without his symbiote.
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** For {{Spider-Man}}, Franchise/{{SpiderMan}}, the "strong" villains were are always large and muscular (e.g. the Rhino) while the villains who had have other powers were are slimmer (e.g. the Chameleon.) *** Carnage subverted subverts this trend; he was is at least as strong as Venom if not stronger (and thus stronger than Spider-Man) but was is actually smaller and less muscular than Peter Parker without his symbiote.

* A rare female example - fourteen-year-old Scout, in ''Literature/DarkRendezvous'', has been training for years to build muscle, and is noted as being stronger than the other Jedi apprentices.
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* A rare female example - fourteen-year-old RareFemaleExample--fourteen-year-old Jedi Padawan Scout, in ''Literature/DarkRendezvous'', is WeakButSkilled. Lacking a strong connection to the Force, she has been training for years to build muscle, along with developing other skills so that she is not kicked out of the Jedi Temple, and is noted as being physically stronger than the other Jedi apprentices.
22nd Sep '15 2:16:40 PM Willbyr
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* In ''EyeshieldTwentyOne'', you can pretty much rate physical strength of a player by seeing their bulk. Their ''effectiveness'', in other hand.... * Most martial artists in ''FistOfTheNorthStar'' are rather muscular, the ones who aren't, [[YourHeadAsplode well...]] * ''OnePiece'' ironically tends to play this trope straight with the weaker characters. If a character is muscular, it is a good sign that he is not entirely without fighting ability, and big, muscular {{Mooks}} tend to somewhat stronger than the small, lean ones. But when it comes to the really {{Badass}} characters, MusclesAreMeaningless (some are very muscular, some are slightly muscular, some are scrawny).
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* In ''EyeshieldTwentyOne'', ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'', you can pretty much rate physical strength of a player by seeing their bulk. Their ''effectiveness'', in other hand.... * Most martial artists in ''FistOfTheNorthStar'' ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'' are rather muscular, the ones who aren't, [[YourHeadAsplode well...]] * ''OnePiece'' ''Manga/OnePiece'' ironically tends to play this trope straight with the weaker characters. If a character is muscular, it is a good sign that he is not entirely without fighting ability, and big, muscular {{Mooks}} tend to somewhat stronger than the small, lean ones. But when it comes to the really {{Badass}} characters, MusclesAreMeaningless (some are very muscular, some are slightly muscular, some are scrawny).
19th Sep '15 3:42:56 PM Darthrai
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* [[BigBad Ganondorf]] from ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' is a huge, hulking, muscular man and one of the strongest characters in the series, but is also a bit on the slow side. ''Franchise/SuperSmashBros'' exaggerates this by making him a MightyGlacier played completely straight.
31st Aug '15 5:15:27 PM HighCrate
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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', you can have a reasonable idea of where characters sit on the sliding scale of MightyGlacier to FragileSpeedster by their bulk, with Pippin at one end and Casca on the other. Guts, being a LightningBruiser, is very tall and muscular, but is still smaller than many of the other characters. Although said other characters are demonic HalfHumanHybrids ...
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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', you can have a reasonable idea of where characters sit on the sliding strength scale of MightyGlacier to FragileSpeedster by their bulk, with Pippin at one end and Casca on the other. Guts, being a LightningBruiser, is very tall and muscular, but is still smaller than many of the other characters. Although said other characters are demonic HalfHumanHybrids ...
24th Aug '15 1:02:17 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* In a bit of {{irony}} one of the promotions that relies on this trope the least, Wrestling/{{CMLL}}, proved much more successful at promoting fitness and body building than the WWF, one the the promotions that abuses this trope the most.
20th Jul '15 9:24:41 PM SSJMagus
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** In Rey Mysterio's case, even ''after'' years of being a fan favorite and firmly establishing himself as a skilled ring worker, his run as World Heavyweight Champion had him ''always'' treated the underdog against his larger, more muscular challengers. * This is also the case in women's wrestling but it did not undergo the same size escalation men's wrestling did in the 1980s. In fact the WWF, largely responsible for the inflating size of male wrestlers (180 lbs to 220 lbs as heavyweight "minimum"), did the opposite with women(where 130 lbs was considered heavyweight minimum), pushing a slew of "short" wrestlers such as Wrestling/{{Ivory}}, Wrestling/{{Jacqueline}}, Wrestling/TrishStratus, Wrestling/MollyHolly and Wrestling/MickieJames as serious champions along with "slim" wrestlers such as Wrestling/LayCool and Wrestling/AliciaFox. If the only wrestling one watched was WWF/E from 1999-2006 then why Wrestling/{{Melina}} Perez was declared "too small" when trying to break into the business would be incomprehensible. By the time she made it to the WWE everyone was used to seeing "divas" her size. Looking back at headliners of the previous WWF women's division, Wrestling/{{Madusa}}, Bull Nakano, Bertha Faye, Wrestling/LunaVachon, Wrestling/AjaKong would give one an idea though. Even Wrestling/{{Lita}}, [[Wrestling/{{Carlene Moore}} Jazz]] and [[Wrestling/LisaMarieVaron Victoria]] would have been in the "small" to "average" range then.
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** In Rey Mysterio's case, even ''after'' years of being a fan favorite and firmly establishing himself as a skilled ring worker, his run as World Heavyweight Champion had him ''always'' treated the underdog against his larger, more muscular challengers. challengers. This booking seems to have been specifically designed to make it harder for fans to take him seriously as champion. * This is also the case in women's wrestling but it did not undergo the same size escalation men's wrestling did in the 1980s. In fact the WWF, largely responsible for the inflating size of male wrestlers (180 lbs to 220 lbs as heavyweight "minimum"), did the opposite with women(where women (where 130 lbs was considered heavyweight minimum), pushing a slew of "short" wrestlers such as Wrestling/{{Ivory}}, Wrestling/{{Jacqueline}}, Wrestling/TrishStratus, Wrestling/MollyHolly and Wrestling/MickieJames as serious champions along with "slim" wrestlers such as Wrestling/LayCool and Wrestling/AliciaFox. If the only wrestling one watched was WWF/E from 1999-2006 then why Wrestling/{{Melina}} Perez was declared "too small" when trying to break into the business would be incomprehensible. By the time she made it to the WWE everyone was used to seeing "divas" her size. Looking back at headliners of the previous WWF women's division, Wrestling/{{Madusa}}, Bull Nakano, Bertha Faye, Wrestling/LunaVachon, Wrestling/AjaKong would give one an idea though. Even Wrestling/{{Lita}}, [[Wrestling/{{Carlene Moore}} Jazz]] and [[Wrestling/LisaMarieVaron Victoria]] would have been in the "small" to "average" range then.

* This is less of a thing in Mexico, where a more intricate system of weight classes makes it easier for small even by non athlete standard wrestlers to find work and possibly get themselves over. After the dojos in Japan refused to train Wrestling/JushinThunderLiger because of his size, he made his way to Mexico. The crowds tend to have an easier time excepting "small" wrestlers going over "large" foes too, such as the 5'8 Eddie Guerrero and 5'6 El Hijo Del Santo being runaway successes. It is not completely averted though, as the largest member of Los Gringos Locos, Art Barr, far out shined his contemporaries at first. (though given the fact they represented [[EvilForeigner foreign vice]], that may have been by design,)
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* This is less of a thing in Mexico, where a more intricate system of weight classes makes it easier for small even by non athlete standard wrestlers to find work and possibly get themselves over. After the dojos in Japan refused to train Wrestling/JushinThunderLiger because of his size, he made his way to Mexico. The crowds tend to have an easier time excepting "small" wrestlers going over "large" foes too, such as the 5'8 Eddie Guerrero and 5'6 El Hijo Del Santo being runaway successes. It is not completely averted though, as the largest member of Los Gringos Locos, Art Barr, far out shined his contemporaries at first. (though (Though given the fact they represented [[EvilForeigner foreign vice]], that may have been by design,)design.)

* The constitution system in the ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' series especially ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Fire Emblem Thracia]]''. The constitution system is how much you character weighs and is able to pick up another unit (either by force on enemy units, or slinging allied units over your shoulder). Pretty much the only characters who have high constitution stats and growth are really muscular guys, big armored men, and mounted units. Skinny wiry {{Bishonen}}s and especially thin girls will pretty much never get a a point in constitution when leveling up unless the player is really lucky. Even Marty, a muscular brigand who is virtually useless in everything can make use of his muscles with an extremely high base constitution stat and constitution growth.
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* The constitution system in the ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' series especially ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Fire Emblem Thracia]]''. The constitution system is how much you character weighs and is able to pick up another unit (either by force on enemy units, or slinging allied units over your shoulder). Pretty much the only characters who have high constitution stats and growth are really muscular guys, big armored men, and mounted units. Skinny wiry {{Bishonen}}s and especially thin girls will pretty much never get a a point in constitution when leveling up unless the player is really lucky. Even Marty, a muscular brigand who is virtually useless in everything can make use of his muscles with an extremely high base constitution stat and constitution growth.
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