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19th Jul '16 5:54:22 PM trixus
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* In ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'', you can pretty much rate physical strength of a player by seeing their bulk. Their ''effectiveness'', in other hand....

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* In ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'', you can pretty much rate physical strength of a player by seeing their bulk. Their ''effectiveness'', in other hand.... Played straight with Gaou whose muscles and size pretty much translate to: must bench over 150 kg to have a chance against him.
16th Jul '16 3:15:51 PM BlackSunNocturne
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* ComicBook/TheKingpinis a subversion. Inexplicably stronger than Spider-Man ([[DependingOnTheWriter sometimes]]), but when Spidey makes a fat joke he finds out the hard way that Kingpin is also a LightningBruiser with almost no fat.

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* ComicBook/TheKingpinis ComicBook/TheKingpin is a subversion. Inexplicably stronger than Spider-Man ([[DependingOnTheWriter sometimes]]), but when Spidey makes a fat joke he finds out the hard way that Kingpin is also a LightningBruiser with almost no fat.
16th Jul '16 3:15:30 PM BlackSunNocturne
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** For Franchise/{{SpiderMan}}, the "strong" villains are always large and muscular (e.g. the Rhino) while the villains who have other powers are slimmer (e.g. the Chameleon.)

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** For Franchise/{{SpiderMan}}, Franchise/SpiderMan, the "strong" villains are always large and muscular (e.g. the Rhino) while the villains who have other powers are slimmer (e.g. the Chameleon.)



* Kingpin is a subversion. Inexplicably stronger than Spider-Man ([[DependingOnTheWriter sometimes]]), but when Spidey makes a fat joke he finds out the hard way that Kingpin is also a LightningBruiser with almost no fat.

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* Kingpin is ComicBook/TheKingpinis a subversion. Inexplicably stronger than Spider-Man ([[DependingOnTheWriter sometimes]]), but when Spidey makes a fat joke he finds out the hard way that Kingpin is also a LightningBruiser with almost no fat.
14th Jul '16 6:39:06 PM Xillia26
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* ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'': Has quite a few. Namely Bakugou, Tenya, All-Might, Tensei and Eijiro from the Hero side; along with Muscular and Chizome on the villain side.
14th Jul '16 6:22:05 PM Xillia26
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* ''LightNovel/TheAsteriskWar'': Lester Mcphail is probably the one packing the most muscle, when he wear's his grey shirt and he shows off the bottom portion of his abs.
13th Jul '16 7:32:58 AM MadSpy
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* ''Series/{{Survivor}}'' has a similar situation. In the early stages when tribes compete for team immunity, women and older players often get targeted due to percieved weakness; and when it shifts to an individual competition then the young fit guys become the targets due to being percieved as threats in immunity challenges. Like in ''The Amazing Race'', physical strength usually doesn't affect challenge success as much as some people think it does, and the social game is more of a factor overall.
** ''Survivor: One World'' has a good example of the perception vs. the reality of this. Matt, an alpha male, picked out some other alpha males to work with and believed they ran the tribe; at one point describing them as "roosters" leading the "chickens" around. Then the tribe acutally had to go to Tribal Council; and it was pointed out to him that there were five "chickens" and only four "roosters". Goodbye, Matt.

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* ''Series/{{Survivor}}'' has a similar situation. In the early stages when tribes compete for team immunity, women and older players often get targeted due to percieved perceived weakness; and when it shifts to an individual competition then the young fit guys become the targets due to being percieved perceived as threats in immunity challenges. Like in ''The Amazing Race'', physical strength usually doesn't affect challenge success as much as some people think it does, and the social game is more of a factor overall.
** ''Survivor: One World'' has a good example of the perception vs. the reality of this. Matt, an alpha male, picked out some other alpha males to work with and believed they ran the tribe; at one point describing them as "roosters" leading the "chickens" around. Then the tribe acutally actually had to go to Tribal Council; and it was pointed out to him that there were five "chickens" and only four "roosters". Goodbye, Matt.
8th Jul '16 11:07:30 AM SomeoneElse17
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** On the indies smaller women can bypass this but they'll normally have to rely on WaifFu during matches. Wrestling/{{Asuka}} seems to be the exception that proves the rule, as she tends to rely on stiff shots and submission hold...and usually ends up beaten after the larger man toughs them out.

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** On the indies smaller women can bypass this but they'll normally have to rely on WaifFu during matches. Wrestling/{{Asuka}} [[Wrestling/KanakoUrai Asuka]] seems to be the exception that proves the rule, as she tends to rely on stiff shots and submission hold...and usually ends up beaten after the larger man toughs them out.
7th Jul '16 3:15:43 PM thecarolinabull01
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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. However, Vince has final say on everything and is absolutely hellbent on pushing Reigns as the top babyface despite the fact that he is getting booed out of arenas, but at least smaller wrestlers are being shown as being capable threats. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, and is one of WWE's top upper midcarders. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one.

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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/CMPunk (6 ft., 218 lbs and not very defined) got his much overdue main event push in 2011. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. However, Vince has final say on everything and is absolutely hellbent on pushing Reigns as the top babyface despite the fact that he is getting booed out of arenas, but at least smaller wrestlers are being shown as being capable threats. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, and is one of WWE's top upper midcarders. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a total badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one.
23rd Jun '16 1:21:02 PM thecarolinabull01
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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. However, Vince has final say on everything and is absolutely hellbent on pushing Reigns as the top babyface despite the fact that he is getting booed out of arenas, but at least smaller wrestlers are being shown as being capable threats.

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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. However, Vince has final say on everything and is absolutely hellbent on pushing Reigns as the top babyface despite the fact that he is getting booed out of arenas, but at least smaller wrestlers are being shown as being capable threats. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, and is one of WWE's top upper midcarders. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one.
9th Jun '16 1:21:00 AM Dravencour
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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', you can have a reasonable idea of where characters sit on the strength scale by their bulk, with Pippin at one end and Casca on the other. Guts, being a LightningBruiser, is very tall and muscular, but is still smaller than many of the other characters. Although said other characters are demonic HalfHumanHybrids ...

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* In ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', you can have a reasonable idea of where characters sit on the strength scale by their bulk, with Pippin at one end and Casca on the other. Guts, being a LightningBruiser, is very tall and muscular, but is still smaller than many of the other characters. Although said other characters are demonic HalfHumanHybrids ...actual DEMONS...



* Most martial artists in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'' are rather muscular, the ones who aren't, [[YourHeadAsplode well...]]

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* Most martial artists in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'' are rather muscular, the even ones like Rei who aren't, [[YourHeadAsplode well...]]are supposed to look rather feminine. Bigger, often giant-like guys abound among the bad guys, though their strength and power avail them nothing against Kenshiro, who is very, very capable of [[YourHeadASplode making their heads a splode]].
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