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21st Mar '18 8:23:00 PM thatother1dude
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* In ''Manga/SoulEater'', Crona and Ragnarok get noticabely stronger the bigger Ragnarok gets. In fact, from the time they first appear, Ragnarok's soul is already bigger in perimeter than Crona's height, and by the second battle they have with Maka, Ragnarok's soul is now almost the size of a two story house. When Ragnarok's soul is cleansed, he and Crona re about as strong as Maka, showing that their strength has lowered greatly.

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* In ''Manga/SoulEater'', Crona and Ragnarok get noticabely stronger the bigger Ragnarok gets. In fact, from the time they first appear, Ragnarok's soul is already bigger in perimeter than Crona's height, and by the second battle they have with Maka, Ragnarok's soul is now almost the size of a two story house. When Ragnarok's eaten souls are confiscated (or he had his soul is cleansed, as in the anime), he and Crona re are about as strong as Maka, showing that their strength has lowered greatly.
1st Mar '18 8:37:04 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** On the indies smaller women can bypass this but they'll normally have to rely on WaifFu during matches. Wrestling/{{Kana|koUrai}} seems to be the exception that proves the rule, as she tends to rely on stiff shots and submission hold...and usually ends up beaten after the larger man toughs them out.

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** On the indies smaller women can bypass this but they'll normally have to rely on WaifFu during matches. Wrestling/{{Kana|koUrai}} seems to be the exception that proves the rule, as she tends to rely on stiff shots and submission hold...holds...and usually ends up beaten after the larger man toughs them out.



** Averted in 2013/2014 as Wrestling/AJLee became the longest reigning Divas Champion at the time and was the most popular woman on the roster. She is 5'2 and weighs 99 lbs, 115 on a heavy day. That's less than Wrestling/{{Hornswoggle}}!
* This is less of a thing in Mexico, where a more intricate system of weight classes enforced by the same athletic commission that oversees boxing makes it easier for small even by non athlete standard wrestlers to find work and possibly get themselves over. After the dojos in Japan refused to train Wrestling/JushinThunderLiger because of his size, he made his way to Mexico. The crowds tend to have an easier time excepting "small" wrestlers going over "large" foes too, such as the 5'8 Eddie Guerrero and 5'6 El Hijo Del Santo being runaway successes or the 200 lbs Maximo Sexy being Wrestling/{{CMLL}}'s World Heavyweight Champion when larger men such as Ultimo Guerrero were holding belts with lower maximum limits that the 214 lbs minimum Maximo's belt was supposed to have.. It is not completely averted though, as the largest member of Los Gringos Locos, Art Barr, far out shined his contemporaries at first. (Though given the fact they represented [[EvilForeigner foreign vice]], that may have been by design.) Also, when CMLL tried to push Rush after he won a body building contest [[HypeBacklash they ended up making him the most hated luchador in the company despite his tecnico status]].

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** Averted in 2013/2014 as Wrestling/AJLee became the longest reigning Divas Champion at the time and was the most popular woman on the roster. She is 5'2 and weighs 99 lbs, 115 on a heavy day.at her heaviest. That's less than Wrestling/{{Hornswoggle}}!
* This is less of a thing in Mexico, where a more intricate system of weight classes enforced by the same athletic commission that oversees boxing makes it easier for small even by non athlete standard wrestlers to find work and possibly get themselves over. After the dojos in Japan refused to train Wrestling/JushinThunderLiger because of his size, he made his way to Mexico. The crowds tend to have an easier time excepting "small" wrestlers going over "large" foes too, such as the 5'8 Eddie Guerrero and 5'6 El Hijo Del Santo being runaway successes or the 200 lbs Maximo Sexy being Wrestling/{{CMLL}}'s World Heavyweight Champion when larger men such as Ultimo Guerrero were holding belts with lower maximum limits that the 214 lbs minimum Maximo's belt was supposed to have..have. It is not completely averted though, as the largest member of Los Gringos Locos, Art Barr, far out shined his contemporaries at first. (Though given the fact they represented [[EvilForeigner foreign vice]], that may have been by design.) Also, when CMLL tried to push Rush after he won a body building contest [[HypeBacklash they ended up making him the most hated luchador in the company despite his tecnico status]].
16th Jan '18 5:06:41 AM StFan
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Related to BishounenLine. Polar opposite of MusclesAreMeaningless and RogueElephant. TheGiant will always be portrayed this way, even if they're mostly fat.

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Related to BishounenLine. Polar opposite of MusclesAreMeaningless and RogueElephant.MusclesAreMeaningless. TheGiant will always be portrayed this way, even if they're mostly fat.



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* In ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'', you can pretty much rate physical strength of a player by seeing their bulk. Their ''effectiveness'', in other hand.... Played straight with Gaou whose muscles and size pretty much translate to: must bench over 150 kg to have a chance against him.

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* In ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'', ''Manga/Eyeshield21'', you can pretty much rate physical strength of a player by seeing their bulk. Their ''effectiveness'', in other hand.... Played straight with Gaou whose muscles and size pretty much translate to: must bench over 150 kg to have a chance against him.



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1st Jan '18 7:53:00 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* This does not go back an especially long while on the wrestling time table either. In the late 1880s when it was decided to crown a heavyweight champion for all of America, few had trouble taking Evan Lewis as credible, even though 5'9 180lbs was not especially large even then. Given the timeline, its debatable if all or any of his matches were even staged, which kind of strengthens the point. Before Lewis, an actual small man, the 5'5 140 lbs Joe Acton, was considered national champion material.

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* This does not go back an especially long while on the wrestling time table either. In the late 1880s when it was decided to crown a heavyweight champion for all of America, few had trouble taking Evan Lewis as credible, even though 5'9 180lbs was not especially large even then. Given the timeline, its debatable if all or any of his matches were even staged, which kind of strengthens the point. Before Lewis, an actual small man, the 5'5 140 lbs Joe Acton, was considered national champion material. In fact, mixed martial arts promotions often use the term "catch weight" for fights that violate official weight class restrictions, in reference to the fact there usually were no such thing in the UsefulNotes/CatchAsCatchCan days. Guys like Lewis and Acton often ''had'' to beat much larger competitors to get noticed.
1st Jan '18 7:30:45 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* The rise of mixed martial arts, whose promotions tend have weight classes based more on pro wrestling than boxing due to the earliest company's being born directly from pro wrestling, has only reinforced how small minded the obsession with heavyweights really is. There have been some heavyweight and super heavyweight attractions, the bewildering success of Wrestling/BobSapp being the most obvious case, just as many of the biggest money makers in MMA have been light heavyweights, middle weights, welterweights, bantamweights and even featherweights. Conor [=McGregor=], the first UFC fighter to hold two belts at once, did so as a lightweight and featherweight and was the single best draw of 2016 in any combat sport. In 2017 his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. was responsible for the second highest pay per view buy rate of all time surpassed only by Mayweather's fight with Manny Pacquiao for their welterweight title belts.[[/folder]]

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* The rise of mixed martial arts, whose promotions tend have weight classes based more on pro wrestling than boxing due to the earliest company's being born directly from pro wrestling, has only reinforced how small minded the obsession with heavyweights really is. There have been some heavyweight and super heavyweight attractions, the bewildering success of Wrestling/BobSapp in Pride Fighting Championships being the most obvious case, just as many of the biggest money makers in MMA have been light heavyweights, middle weights, welterweights, bantamweights and even featherweights. Conor [=McGregor=], the first UFC fighter to hold two belts at once, did so as a lightweight and featherweight and was the single best draw of 2016 in any combat sport. In 2017 his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. was responsible for the second highest pay per view buy rate of all time surpassed only by Mayweather's fight with Manny Pacquiao for their welterweight title belts.[[/folder]]
1st Jan '18 7:29:58 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* The rise of mixed martial arts, whose promotions tend have weight classes based more on pro wrestling than boxing due to the earliest company's being born directly from pro wrestling, has only reinforced how small minded the obsession with heavyweights really is. Several of the biggest money makers in MMA have been light heavyweights, middle weights, welterweights, bantamweights and featherweight s. Conor [=McGregor=], the first UFC fighter to hold two belts at once, did so as a lightweight and featherweight and was the single best draw of 2016 in any combat sport. In 2017 his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. was responsible for the second highest pay per view buy rate of all time surpassed only by Mayweather's fight with Manny Pacquiao for their welterweight title belts.[[/folder]]

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* The rise of mixed martial arts, whose promotions tend have weight classes based more on pro wrestling than boxing due to the earliest company's being born directly from pro wrestling, has only reinforced how small minded the obsession with heavyweights really is. Several There have been some heavyweight and super heavyweight attractions, the bewildering success of Wrestling/BobSapp being the most obvious case, just as many of the biggest money makers in MMA have been light heavyweights, middle weights, welterweights, bantamweights and featherweight s.even featherweights. Conor [=McGregor=], the first UFC fighter to hold two belts at once, did so as a lightweight and featherweight and was the single best draw of 2016 in any combat sport. In 2017 his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. was responsible for the second highest pay per view buy rate of all time surpassed only by Mayweather's fight with Manny Pacquiao for their welterweight title belts.[[/folder]]
1st Jan '18 7:25:29 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* The rise of mixed martial arts, whose promotions tend have weight classes based more on pro wrestling than boxing due to the earliest company's being born directly from pro wrestling, has only reinforced how small minded the obsession with heavyweights really is. Several of the biggest money makers in MMA have been light heavyweights, middle weights, welterweights, bantamweights and featherweight s. Conor [=McGregor=], the first UFC fighter to hold two belts at once, did so as a lightweight and featherweight and was the single best draw of 2016 in any combat sport. In 2017 his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. was responsible for the second highest pay per view buy rate of all time surpassed only by Mayweather's fight with Manny Pacquiao for their welterweight title belts.[[/folder]]
1st Jan '18 6:54:17 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/CMPunk (6 ft., 218 lbs and not very defined) got his much overdue main event push in 2011. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. Also, [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Balor]] (5'11 and 190 pounds) who is the inaugural WWE Universal Champion. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, became one of WWE's top upper midcarders, and eventually became a top heel upon winning WWE Raw's Universal Championship. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a total badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one. WWE also used a much more realistic(in relation to other sports) 205 lbs for the standard of its revived cruiserweight division, meaning even wrestlers considered "average" in Wrestling/{{ROH}} like Cedric Alexander(smaller than Punk at 209) had to cut weight to qualify.

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** This trope appears to be on it's way to becoming [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] in recent years. SmartMark fans tend to prefer smaller, more athletic wrestlers who perform lots of technical and high-flying moves and will often pre-judge any large wrestler (anyone above 6 ft and weighs more than 230 pounds) as untalented and only being pushed because of Vince [=McMahon=]'s hard-on for big men. Ever since Wrestling/TripleH gained more control within WWE, they have been pushing more and more smaller wrestlers. Wrestling/CMPunk (6 ft., 218 lbs and not very defined) got his much overdue main event push in 2011. Wrestling/DanielBryan (5'8" and 180 pounds) became massively over to the point where WWE had to either give him the World title or endure a fan riot. Wrestling/SethRollins (6' and 218 pounds) made a FaceHeelTurn and became WWE's top heel from 2014-2015. The aforementioned AJ Styles made his WWE debut in January 2016. He went straight to the main roster, skipping [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] entirely, his first match was in the Royal Rumble and he was participating in main event feuds with both Wrestling/RomanReigns and Wrestling/JohnCena within 3 months of his debut. Also, [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Balor]] (5'11 and 190 pounds) who is the inaugural WWE Universal Champion. This extends to "fat" wrestlers as well, who generally do not get any significant pushes unless they are tall in addition to being fat. [[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]], after making his main roster debut, got a ''clean'' win over John Cena in his first match, became one of WWE's top upper midcarders, and eventually became a top heel upon winning WWE Raw's Universal Championship. Wrestling/SamoaJoe also got to keep his name, and has been pushed as a total badass in NXT, even getting an NXT championship run. So, in short, while muscle men tend to get the biggest pushes, there is still room for small, average or overweight wrestlers to get their spot on top, even if it's a brief one. WWE also used a much more realistic(in relation to all other sports) sports besides MMA, which betrays its pro wrestling roots with 225 lbs cruiserweight average) 205 lbs for the standard of its revived cruiserweight division, meaning even wrestlers considered "average" in Wrestling/{{ROH}} like Cedric Alexander(smaller than Punk at 209) had to cut weight to qualify.
15th Dec '17 6:43:33 PM NogaiKhan
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* {{Superman}}'s villains who fought with him were drawn larger (e.g. Doomsday, Darkseid, Mongul, etc.) However, the villains that outsmarted him were drawn smaller, e.g. Mr. Mxyzptlk, Luthor, etc.

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* {{Superman}}'s villains who fought with him were drawn larger (e.g. Doomsday, Darkseid, Mongul, Post-Crisis Brainiac, etc.) However, the villains that outsmarted him were drawn smaller, e.g. Mr. Mxyzptlk, Luthor, Pre-Crisis Brainiac, etc.
20th Oct '17 10:59:41 PM thatother1dude
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* Characters in ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' usually exhibit this trope as long as they have some significance.

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* Characters in ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' regularly has skinny, plot-important characters [[MusclesAreMeaningless easily overpower]] muscular bit players, but among peers the largest ones usually exhibit this trope as long as they have some significance.the most physical strength.
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