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28th Apr '17 1:33:33 PM merotoker
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* In ''Anime/ValvraveTheLiberator'', this is usually L-Elf's plan in most situations. [[TheHero Haruto]] calls him out on it by saying that violence is always the answer with him. In the episode where this is really shown [[spoiler:when L-Elf shoots Marie in the head for trying to get the secret of the Valvraves from Haruto and distracting him from a battle he was late for]], it's also Justified, as we see his backstory being trained as a {{Child Soldier|s}} from a very young age. He mentions they were taught to be pragmatically cold and violent. "We were told to kill anyone suspicious. Kill any informants. Kill any deserters. Kill any witnesses. Kill. Kill."

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* In ''Anime/ValvraveTheLiberator'', this is usually L-Elf's plan in most situations. [[TheHero Haruto]] calls him out on it by saying that violence is always the answer with him. In the episode where this is really shown [[spoiler:when L-Elf shoots Marie in the head for trying to get the secret of the Valvraves from Haruto and distracting him from a battle he was late for]], it's also Justified, justified, as we see his backstory being trained as a {{Child Soldier|s}} from a very young age. He mentions they were taught to be pragmatically cold and violent. "We were told to kill anyone suspicious. Kill any informants. Kill any deserters. Kill any witnesses. Kill. Kill."



*** If anything, this is becoming even more pronounced. In ''Comicbook/AvengersVsXMen'', teenager ComicBook/HopeSummers is acting as a lure for a cosmic entity destroying everything in its path. The Avengers' solution: get her off Earth. Wolverine's solution: kill her (though he doesn't go through with it). The big story after that, ''ComicBook/AgeOfUltron'', has Wolverine trying to undo evil robot Comicbook/{{Ultron}}'s taking over the world by going back in time and murdering [[Comicbook/AntMan Hank Pym]], the Avenger who built it. When this fails to make things any better, he fixes this by going back again and murdering his own past self.
*** In ''ComicBook/TheChildrensCrusade'', this is his opinion of the best way to deal with Wanda (ComicBook/ScarletWitch) and her sixteen-year-old [[TangledFamilyTree reincarnated son]], Billy Kaplan ([[ComicBook/YoungAvengers Wiccan]]). While wanting to kill Wanda is [[ComicBook/AvengersDisassembled at least]] [[ComicBook/HouseOfM justifiable]] to an extent, Wolverine is [[BloodKnight outright gleeful]] about the idea of killing Billy as well -- and not only has Billy done ''nothing wrong'', no one's even sure if he ''has'' his mother's powers or strength. At that point, the biggest display of his power was accidentally putting a bunch of terrorists into temporary magical comas, which stopped a ''nuke'' from going off in the middle of New York. And while that display made the Avengers nervous, it wasn't proof of Billy being able to [[RealityWarper warp reality]] at all, let alone to [[PhysicalGod Wanda's level]]. Wolverine is determined to murder Billy regardless, ''just in case''. He outright ''tries'' to kill Billy twice, nearly running Billy through with his claws on both occasions, but is luckily stopped first by SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} and then by [[ConquerorFromTheFuture Iron]] [[FutureMeScaresMe Lad]]. On the Avengers side of things, no one outright agrees with Wolverine's plan of "murder Wanda and her innocent son", but no one says anything ''against'' it, either.

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*** If anything, this is becoming even more pronounced. In ''Comicbook/AvengersVsXMen'', teenager ComicBook/HopeSummers is acting as a lure for a cosmic entity destroying everything in its path. The Avengers' ComicBook/TheAvengers' solution: get her off Earth. Wolverine's solution: kill her (though he doesn't go through with it). The big story after that, ''ComicBook/AgeOfUltron'', has Wolverine trying to undo evil robot Comicbook/{{Ultron}}'s taking over the world by going back in time and murdering [[Comicbook/AntMan Hank Pym]], the Avenger who built it. When this fails to make things any better, he fixes this by going back again and murdering his own past self.
*** In ''ComicBook/TheChildrensCrusade'', this is his opinion of the best way to deal with Wanda (ComicBook/ScarletWitch) and her sixteen-year-old [[TangledFamilyTree reincarnated son]], Billy Kaplan ([[ComicBook/YoungAvengers Wiccan]]). While wanting to kill Wanda is [[ComicBook/AvengersDisassembled at least]] [[ComicBook/HouseOfM justifiable]] to an extent, Wolverine is [[BloodKnight outright gleeful]] about the idea of killing Billy as well -- and not only has Billy done ''nothing wrong'', no one's even sure if he ''has'' his mother's powers or strength. At that point, the biggest display of his power was accidentally putting a bunch of terrorists into temporary magical comas, which stopped a ''nuke'' from going off in the middle of New York. And while that display made the Avengers nervous, it wasn't proof of Billy being able to [[RealityWarper warp reality]] at all, let alone to [[PhysicalGod Wanda's level]]. Wolverine is determined to murder Billy regardless, ''just in case''. He outright ''tries'' to kill Billy twice, nearly running Billy through with his claws on both occasions, but is luckily stopped first by SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} and then by [[ConquerorFromTheFuture Iron]] [[FutureMeScaresMe Lad]]. On the Avengers side of things, no one outright agrees with Wolverine's plan of "murder Wanda and her innocent son", but no one says anything ''against'' it, either.



* ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}'' generally plays murder for comedy, with people snarking about how much their enemies suck, flirting with [[RandomlyDrops the loot]] and so on. ''VideoGame/BorderlandsThePreSequel'', meanwhile, is about how Handsome Jack, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', came to this conclusion, and that part is not intended to be funny ''at all''.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}'' generally plays murder for comedy, with people snarking about how much their enemies suck, flirting with [[RandomlyDrops [[RandomDrop the loot]] and so on. ''VideoGame/BorderlandsThePreSequel'', meanwhile, is about how Handsome Jack, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', came to this conclusion, and that part is not intended to be funny ''at all''.



* In ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' episode "Screams of Silence: The Story of Brenda Q.", Quagmire decides that the best solution to save his sister from her abusive boyfriend is to kill the bastard. Joe is initially against it, but ends up deciding to "waste this dick" after seeing for himself just how severe the problem really is.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' episode "Screams of Silence: The Story of Brenda Q.", Quagmire decides that the best solution to save his sister from her abusive boyfriend is to kill the bastard. Joe is initially against it, but ends up deciding to "waste this dick" after seeing for himself just how severe the problem really is.
21st Apr '17 11:09:36 PM genisgone
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* PlayedForDrama in ''Comicbook/TheWickedAndTheDivine'', when Minerva questions why, [[FridgeLogic if Woden could build a cage capable of housing a god on a rampage]], [[SpottingTheThread did Ananke feel the need to kill Lucifer?]]
20th Apr '17 7:32:16 AM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** In general in the series, it is possible for an indiscriminate player to complete most quests that would otherwise require faction relations, persuasion checks, or specialized skills (like picking locks or pockets) by prying the quest MacGuffin out of someone's cold, dead hands. Justified as it prevents the game from being UnwinnableByMistake if you manage to kill or bug out a vital quest chain NPC. In many of these cases (especially for factions like the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood), you generally don't receive as great of reward if you veer off the quest rails and take the full-blown murder path.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollSIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', Thieves Guild Leader[[MeaningfulName Gentleman]] [[GentlemanThief Jim]] [[JustLikeRobinHood Stacey]] (as well as the Guild in general) is normally quite violence averse. When it comes to high ranking enforcers for the rival [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], all else (bribes, blackmail, etc.) have failed, so he sends you to kill them as a last resort.

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
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''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'': In general in the series, series (at least from ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollSIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' onward), it is possible for an indiscriminate player to complete most quests that would otherwise require faction relations, persuasion checks, or specialized skills (like picking locks or pockets) by prying the quest MacGuffin out of someone's cold, dead hands. Justified as it prevents the game from being UnwinnableByMistake if you manage to kill or bug out a vital quest chain NPC. In many of these cases (especially for factions like the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood), you generally don't receive as great of reward if you veer off the quest rails and take the full-blown murder path. \n** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollSIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', Thieves Guild Leader[[MeaningfulName Gentleman]] [[GentlemanThief Jim]] [[JustLikeRobinHood Stacey]] (as well as the Guild in general) is normally quite violence averse. When it comes to high ranking enforcers for the rival [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], all else (bribes, blackmail, etc.) have failed, so he sends you to kill them as a last resort.
20th Apr '17 7:29:30 AM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, starting from ''Morrowind'' onwards, allows the indiscriminate player to complete most quests that would otherwise require faction relations, persuade checks, or specialized skills like picking pockets by prying the MacGuffin out of someone's cold, dead hands. Justified as it prevents the game from being UnwinnableByMistake if you manage to kill or bug out a vital quest chain NPC, but in many cases creates a massive plot shortcut. In Morrowind specifically, killing Vivec right off the bat allows you to skip forward to the final part of the plot.
** Also fully observed in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}''. Doing so in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'', though, may eventually lock you out of all but one available ending.

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** In general in the
series, starting from ''Morrowind'' onwards, allows the it is possible for an indiscriminate player to complete most quests that would otherwise require faction relations, persuade persuasion checks, or specialized skills like (like picking pockets locks or pockets) by prying the quest MacGuffin out of someone's cold, dead hands. Justified as it prevents the game from being UnwinnableByMistake if you manage to kill or bug out a vital quest chain NPC, but in NPC. In many of these cases creates a massive plot shortcut. In Morrowind specifically, killing Vivec right (especially for factions like the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood), you generally don't receive as great of reward if you veer off the bat allows quest rails and take the full-blown murder path.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollSIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', Thieves Guild Leader[[MeaningfulName Gentleman]] [[GentlemanThief Jim]] [[JustLikeRobinHood Stacey]] (as well as the Guild in general) is normally quite violence averse. When it comes to high ranking enforcers for the rival [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], all else (bribes, blackmail, etc.) have failed, so he sends
you to skip forward to the final part of the plot.
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kill them as a last resort.
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Also fully observed in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}''. Doing so in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'', though, may eventually lock you out of all but one available ending.
3rd Apr '17 10:55:41 AM RaisenRhaasen
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* In a real life subversion of this trope, the FBI engaged in a program call COINTELPRO, a counter intelligence program aimed at people like Martin Luther King Junior and The Black Panthers. Their methods, among others, included Legal Harassment: The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals. When these methods failed (they often did), they would then employ Illegal force: The FBI conspired with local police departments to threaten dissidents; to conduct illegal break-ins in order to search dissident homes; and to commit vandalism, assaults, beatings, and assassinations. One such assassination was the death of Fred Hampton, leader of the Black Panther Party in Chicago. You can read all about it on [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} the Other Wiki]].

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* In a real life subversion of this trope, the FBI engaged in a program call COINTELPRO, a counter intelligence program aimed at people like Martin Luther King Junior and The Black Panthers. Their methods, among others, included Legal Harassment: The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals. When these methods failed (they often did), they would then employ Illegal force: The FBI conspired with local police departments to threaten dissidents; to conduct illegal break-ins in order to search dissident homes; and to commit vandalism, assaults, beatings, and assassinations. One such assassination was the death of Fred Hampton, leader of the Black Panther Party in Chicago. You can [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO read all about it it]] on [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} the Other Wiki]].
20th Mar '17 8:36:58 PM marcoasalazarm
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17th Mar '17 7:40:58 AM Synch
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* The setup for ''VideoGame/PartyHard'' is that the protagonist can't sleep because of a noisy party and responds by going on a killing spree.
27th Feb '17 12:46:09 PM CountDorku
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* Common in ''{{VideoGame/Borderlands 2}}'', especially in the Campaign of Carnage DLC. Is often lampshaded in dialogue or mission briefings. A prime example: ''"Mister Torgue has informed you that much of the beer in Pyro Pete's Bar has been poisoned. He needs you to kill some of the bandits and take their beer so they won't die of poison. As you will be killing the bandits anyway, this plan makes approximately zero sense."''


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* ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}'' generally plays murder for comedy, with people snarking about how much their enemies suck, flirting with [[RandomlyDrops the loot]] and so on. ''VideoGame/BorderlandsThePreSequel'', meanwhile, is about how Handsome Jack, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', came to this conclusion, and that part is not intended to be funny ''at all''.


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* Common in ''{{VideoGame/Borderlands 2}}'', especially in the Campaign of Carnage DLC. Is often lampshaded in dialogue or mission briefings. A prime example: ''"Mister Torgue has informed you that much of the beer in Pyro Pete's Bar has been poisoned. He needs you to kill some of the bandits and take their beer so they won't die of poison. As you will be killing the bandits anyway, this plan makes approximately zero sense."''
21st Jan '17 9:29:39 PM Clockwork_Lemon
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* In ''Manga/SamonTheSummoner'', while going bowling Samon tries to cheat in order to win, but when Neberios won't let him, he arrives at the conclusion that murder is the ONLY solution.
-->'''Samon:''' That's right... the main problem is Neberios... as long as he's here I can't win!
5th Jan '17 3:54:01 AM SteveMB
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** The Comedian certainly isn't above deadly force, but he really crosses the MoralEventHorizon when he murders [[spoiler:a Vietnamese woman who is pregnant with his child. The confrontation starts with him callously telling her he's leaving and not taking her back to America with him; in fact, he intends to forget all about her and her country. So, to make sure he ''remembers'' forever, she slashes his face with a broken bottle, but he didn't shoot her while she was coming at him. He shot her after he'd been slashed, and after she'd put the bottle down in response to him pulling a gun. She was practically begging him not to shoot for a solid 15 seconds before he pulled the trigger. It wasn't an instinctive, defensive response, it was murder]]. Afterwards, he points out to a shocked Doctor Manhattan (who was standing there the whole time), that he's just as responsible for the outcome, really; with his RealityWarper powers, Manhattan could have created any number of solutions by doing literally ''anything'' to prevent one or both acts of violence, but he just stood there and let it all happen.

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** The Comedian certainly isn't above deadly force, but he really crosses the MoralEventHorizon when he murders [[spoiler:a Vietnamese woman who is pregnant with his child. The confrontation starts with him callously telling her he's leaving and not taking her back to America with him; in fact, he intends to forget all about her and her country. So, to make sure he ''remembers'' forever, she slashes his face with a broken bottle, but he didn't shoot her while she was coming at him. He shot her after he'd been slashed, and after she'd put the bottle down in response to him pulling a gun. She was practically begging him not to shoot for a solid 15 seconds before he pulled the trigger. It wasn't an instinctive, defensive response, it was murder]]. Afterwards, he points out to a shocked Doctor Manhattan (who was standing there the whole time), that [[AccompliceByInaction he's just as responsible for the outcome, outcome]], really; with his RealityWarper powers, Manhattan could have created any number of solutions by doing literally ''anything'' to prevent one or both acts of violence, but he just stood there and let it all happen.
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