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17th Aug '17 7:38:40 AM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'': In general in the series (at least from ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollSIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' onward), it is possible for an indiscriminate player to complete most quests that would otherwise require faction relations, persuasion checks, or specialized skills (like picking locks or pockets) by prying the quest MacGuffin out of someone's cold, dead hands. Justified as it prevents the game from being UnwinnableByMistake if you manage to kill or bug out a vital quest chain NPC. In many of these cases (especially for factions like the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood), you generally don't receive as great of reward if you veer off the quest rails and take the full-blown murder path.

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In general in the series (at least from ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollSIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' onward), it is possible for an indiscriminate player to complete most quests that would otherwise require faction relations, persuasion checks, or specialized skills (like picking locks or pockets) by prying the quest MacGuffin out of someone's cold, dead hands. Justified as it prevents the game from being UnwinnableByMistake if you manage to kill or bug out a vital quest chain NPC. In many of these cases (especially for factions like the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood), you generally don't receive as great of reward if you veer off the quest rails and take the full-blown murder path.
** Clavicus Vile, the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] of [[DealWithTheDevil Bargains]] and [[LiteralGenie Wishes]], always holds up his end of whatever deal is struck, but usually does so in a way that the deal maker will regret. When he is at his most [[JerkassGenie malevolent]], usually because he has been separated from his [[MoralityPet external conscience]], [[BigFriendlyDog Barbas]], he enters this territory, believing that most wishes can be granted by killing the wish maker. Vampires asking for a cure for vampirism? Have a hero come in and [[MercyKill slaughter them all]]. A man whose daughter has been turned into a werewolf? Give him an axe to [[MercyKill put her down]]. Asking for peace in Skyrim? Do nothing and let the Dragons kill everyone. A village asking for immunity from the [[MysticalPlague Knahaten Flu]]? Turn them ''undead''.
7th Aug '17 7:47:03 AM marcoasalazarm
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** Really, most of any ''CSI'' franchise would qualify. Even preventing someone from stepping on a cockroach (the doer was a FriendToBugs) merits an impulsive kill. Or catching a groom being a two-timer on his bachelor party (result: tie him down and dump him on a raft far away from the coast, with a good chance of him dying of thirst). An eleven-year-old kid being denied ''one'' cat from the local CrazyCatLady (who doesn't want to part with it, even after the kid points out she has a dozen and it's not as if the cat will be taken far away) drives the kid to bash the woman's brains in [[CreepyChild and be completely unapologetic about it.]] The list just goes on, accidental and not.

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** Really, most of any ''CSI'' franchise would qualify. Even preventing someone from stepping on a cockroach (the doer was a FriendToBugs) merits an impulsive kill. Or catching a groom being a two-timer on his bachelor party (result: tie him down and dump him on a raft far away from the coast, with a good chance of him dying of thirst). An eleven-year-old kid being denied ''one'' cat from the local CrazyCatLady (who doesn't want to part with it, even after the kid points out she has a dozen and it's not as if the cat will be taken far away) away because they live on the same block) drives the kid to bash the woman's brains in [[CreepyChild and be completely unapologetic about it.]] The list just goes on, accidental and not.
7th Aug '17 4:49:20 AM catmuto
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* ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor2'' has one of Daichi's route choose to kill [[BigBad Polaris]], to free the world from [[spoiler:continuing to be devoured by the Void]]. The game treats the resulting ending as a happy one, but [[spoiler:killing Polaris has stopped the Void, yes, but the Void is changed into an endless ocean that may not be drinkable and only a tiny piece of land is the only thing remaining of earth's original landmasses. Humanity is free from being the toy of evil supernatural deities, but also receives no help from any benevolent ones. They are holding together in their survived crisis, but it's likely they are bound to slowly starve when resources deplete]].
6th Aug '17 11:07:44 AM DarkHunter
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** [[spoiler:Keiichi's plan to kill Satoko's uncle to protect her.]]

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** [[spoiler:Keiichi's plan to kill Satoko's uncle to protect her.]]]] Unfortunately, it really just [[AvertedTrope ends up making things worse]].
28th Jul '17 12:45:07 PM Delphi
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** The worst example is from on of their sci-fi stories, where a scientist murders his annoying neighbor because he keeps coming inside and bugging him while he's working. Instead of just, you know, ''locking the door.''
17th Jun '17 5:12:53 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/{{Taboo}}'': Deconstructed and averted:
** After bribery fails, the EIC try to deal with James by killing him. When this fails repeatedly, Strange is incredulous that his employees can't seem to come up with another solution to the Delaney business other than to just keep on trying.
** He then makes out a will leaving Nootka Sound to the Americans if he dies, making murder the ''worst'' solution for both EIC and the Crown.
** The Americans (through Dumbarton and Carlsbad) offer to kill Thorne so that James and Zilpha can be together. James seems fine with this plan. However, when [[spoiler: Zilpha murders her husband to free herself from his abuse]], James is ''not'' fine, and believes that the act was a sin.
** [[spoiler: James then refuses Atticus' suggestion to kill Helga, when it becomes obvious Helga will betray them due to the death of Winter]].
17th Jun '17 11:25:23 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the TV film, ''Film/{{Conspiracy}}'', the Wannsee Conference where the FinalSolution phase of the Holocaust was devised has the Nazis discussing with coldblooded earnestness why killing the Third Reich's "undesirables" is the best means of dealing with them. Only one of the men has any genuine moral problems with the mass murder -- the rest are simply discussing ''how best to organize it''.
** At one point, sterilization is suggested as a practical alternative, [[PragmaticVillainy given the chronic shortage of manpower]]. The suggestion is bluntly overruled by Heinrich, who makes it clear that the decision has already been made by UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler.

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* In the TV film, ''Film/{{Conspiracy}}'', the Wannsee Conference where the FinalSolution phase of the Holocaust was devised has the Nazis discussing with coldblooded earnestness why killing the Third Reich's "undesirables" is the best means of dealing with them. Only one of the men has any genuine moral problems with the mass murder -- the rest are simply discussing ''how best to organize it''.
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At one point, sterilization is suggested as a practical alternative, [[PragmaticVillainy given the chronic shortage of manpower]]. The suggestion is bluntly overruled by Heinrich, who makes it clear that the decision has already been made by UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler. Only one of the men has any genuine moral problems with the mass murder -- the rest are simply discussing ''how best to organize it''.
15th Jun '17 1:57:08 PM kazokuhouou
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* In ''Manga/{{Ooku}}: The Inner Chambers'', the Reverend Kasuga believes that the grave is the safest place to keep secrets. This includes [[DisposableSexWorker prostitutes used to tempt a monk to break his vows]] (after other murders to force his hand), [[spoiler: the mother of Chie, who would become the female Shogun Iemitsu, and the doctor who witnessed the original Iemitsu's death from Redface Pox]].

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* In ''Manga/{{Ooku}}: The Inner Chambers'', the Chambers'':
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Reverend Kasuga believes that the grave is the safest place to keep secrets. This includes [[DisposableSexWorker prostitutes used to tempt a monk to break his vows]] (after other murders to force his hand), [[spoiler: the mother of Chie, who would become the female Shogun Iemitsu, and the doctor who witnessed the original Iemitsu's death from Redface Pox]].Pox]].
** Deconstructed with Harusada. While she does resort to murdering rivals and [[spoiler: even her own ''grandkids'']], it's less because it's the ''best'' solution and more because it's the one with the most entertainment value, as she flat out stated that she murdered her sister because she was bored.
** Reconstructed with [[spoiler: Ienari's concubines]], though, who saw what Harusada had done and concluded that it was indeed the best solution to get rid of rivals [[spoiler: with the result that only half of Ienari's numerous children made it to adulthood.]]
31st May '17 8:17:35 PM PaulA
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* Played straight in Creator/SpiderRobinson's ''Variable Star'', [[PosthumousCollaboration based upon an outline by]] Creator/RobertAHeinlein. [[spoiler:The hero protagonist, explicitly stated to be trained in avoiding combat, decides on a plan to stop the villain by getting his own friend killed to distract a (likely innocent) bodyguard long enough to kill her as well. This despite controlling the villain's FTL ship (the only remaining valuable asset of a man obsessed with greed), the man who knows how to build new ones and is the pilot, the ship itself, both of the man's daughters, and ''the only possible escape route for the villain,'' '''and''' being able to escape with all of the above simply by climbing on board the ship and taking off.]]

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* Played straight in Creator/SpiderRobinson's ''Variable Star'', ''Literature/VariableStar'', [[PosthumousCollaboration based upon an outline by]] Creator/RobertAHeinlein. [[spoiler:The hero protagonist, explicitly stated to be trained in avoiding combat, decides on a plan to stop the villain by getting his own friend killed to distract a (likely innocent) bodyguard long enough to kill her as well. This despite controlling the villain's FTL ship (the only remaining valuable asset of a man obsessed with greed), the man who knows how to build new ones and is the pilot, the ship itself, both of the man's daughters, and ''the only possible escape route for the villain,'' '''and''' being able to escape with all of the above simply by climbing on board the ship and taking off.]]
28th May '17 2:16:34 PM LongTallShorty64
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* Martin Donnelly, from ''Film/TheRecklessMoment'', knows that the only way to get rid of his blackmailing partner from threatening Lucia is by killing him.
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