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11th Dec '17 4:17:03 AM 64SuperNintendo
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* The original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'''s Mirai Yashima & Hayato Kobayashi are fairly Asian-looking compared to the rest of the cast. Series protagonist Amuro Ray, who isn't may get a pass, as he's [[ButNotTooForeign part foreigner]], his mother being either American, Canadian or Mexican depending on the version.

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* The original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'''s Mirai Yashima & and Hayato Kobayashi are fairly Asian-looking compared to the rest of the cast. Series protagonist Amuro Ray, who isn't may get a pass, as he's [[ButNotTooForeign part foreigner]], his mother being either American, Canadian or Mexican depending on the version.



** Also played somewhat straight with his redesigns of many classic Creator/OsamuTezuka characters for ''Manga/{{Pluto}}'', especially Ochanomizu & Tenma, due to their comedically oversized schozzes, which could never be reduced to typical Japanese proportions without rendering the characters unrecognizable. So while they do look realistic in a sense, they don't look like people who could realistically be named Tenma or Ochanomizu. Shansaku "Mister Mustachio" Ban also suffers from this, as his character model was recycled from ''Manga/{{Monster}}'''s Dr. Reichwein, who is in turn based on the American actor Creator/WilfordBrimley. Urasawa does a surprisingly good job on Inspectors Tawashi & Nakamura, though, as Well as ''Manga/AstroBoy'' & his "sister" Uran.

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** Also played somewhat straight with his redesigns of many classic Creator/OsamuTezuka characters for ''Manga/{{Pluto}}'', especially Ochanomizu & and Tenma, due to their comedically oversized schozzes, which could never be reduced to typical Japanese proportions without rendering the characters unrecognizable. So while they do look realistic in a sense, they don't look like people who could realistically be named Tenma or Ochanomizu. Shansaku "Mister Mustachio" Ban also suffers from this, as his character model was recycled from ''Manga/{{Monster}}'''s Dr. Reichwein, who is in turn based on the American actor Creator/WilfordBrimley. Urasawa does a surprisingly good job on Inspectors Tawashi & and Nakamura, though, as Well as ''Manga/AstroBoy'' & and his "sister" Uran.



* Most of Junji Ito's characters look quite realistic, though he has a strange habit of giving his main female characters slightly more European-looking hair & eyes (most notably Kirie from ''Manga/{{Uzumaki}}''). The funny thing is, though, that because of his art style, these features look slightly unusual with the rest of their faces, giving his women a somewhat unreal, doll-like sort of beauty. Come to think of it, most of his heroines look an awful lot like [[Series/{{Smallville}} Kristin Kreuk]]...

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* Most of Junji Ito's characters look quite realistic, though he has a strange habit of giving his main female characters slightly more European-looking hair & and eyes (most notably Kirie from ''Manga/{{Uzumaki}}''). The funny thing is, though, that because of his art style, these features look slightly unusual with the rest of their faces, giving his women a somewhat unreal, doll-like sort of beauty. Come to think of it, most of his heroines look an awful lot like [[Series/{{Smallville}} Kristin Kreuk]]...



* An odd variation on this occurs in ''VideoGame/MegamanBattleNetwork'' with Dekao "Dex" Oyama, whose comparatively dark complexion & full lips give him an oddly negroid look, rather than the 'stateless' features typically given to anime characters.

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* An odd variation on this occurs in ''VideoGame/MegamanBattleNetwork'' with Dekao "Dex" Oyama, whose comparatively dark complexion & and full lips give him an oddly negroid look, rather than the 'stateless' features typically given to anime characters.



* CanonForeigner You Ji from ''VideoGame/BladestormTheHundredYearsWar'' completely (and pleasantly) averts the {{Mukokuseki}} principle -- his look is unambiguously and realistically East Asian, amongst a cast of white English and French characters. It's arguably a double aversion in You Ji's case, as Bladestorm originates from the Koei stable, who are ''notorious'' for employing {{Mukokuseki}} principles across their hero-series ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'', where auburn/red/light-brown/blond haired, green & blue-eyed asians abound in ancient China....

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* CanonForeigner You Ji from ''VideoGame/BladestormTheHundredYearsWar'' completely (and pleasantly) averts the {{Mukokuseki}} principle -- his look is unambiguously and realistically East Asian, amongst a cast of white English and French characters. It's arguably a double aversion in You Ji's case, as Bladestorm originates from the Koei stable, who are ''notorious'' for employing {{Mukokuseki}} principles across their hero-series ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'', where auburn/red/light-brown/blond haired, green & and blue-eyed asians abound in ancient China....
2nd Dec '17 6:13:02 PM nombretomado
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* The ''Series/HistoryBites'' episode ''Samurai Goodfellas'', featuring Ron Pardo as [[The47Ronin Oishi Yoshio]], probably counts as a straight example.

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* The ''Series/HistoryBites'' episode ''Samurai Goodfellas'', featuring Ron Pardo as [[The47Ronin [[UsefulNotes/The47Ronin Oishi Yoshio]], probably counts as a straight example.
9th Nov '17 10:18:12 PM rjd1922
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In part, this trope has to do with the [[http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/08/30/guest-post-why-do-the-japanese-draw-themselves-as-white/ Default Human Being concept.]] Without obvious ethnic or gendered feature, the audience will assume the character default to their culture's idea of the common human. This can be seen in the west with the featureless stick-figure depicting humanity as a whole and indicating white men specifically at once. Just as American animators will give Asian distinct features to indicate they're different from the European default, Japanese animators will often give European descended characters distinctions to make them different from the Japanese default, even if both defaults are functionally identical.

Compare AmbiguouslyBrown (when someone has a noticeably different look from the rest of the main cast, but still no [[FacialProfiling distinct]] [[FantasyCounterPartCulture giveaways]] or [[WordOfGod confirmed ethnicity]]), OnlySixFaces (where there is little difference at all in character designs), and HumansAreWhite ("stateless" of course means skin ranging from pale to peachy). See also ImplausibleHairColor and PeopleOfHairColor.

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In part, this trope has to do with the [[http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/08/30/guest-post-why-do-the-japanese-draw-themselves-as-white/ [[https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2010/09/why-do-the-japanese-draw-themselves-as-white/340084/ Default Human Being concept.]] Without obvious ethnic or gendered feature, features, the audience will assume the character default to their culture's idea of the common human. This can be seen in the west with the featureless stick-figure depicting humanity as a whole and indicating white men specifically at once. Just as American animators will give Asian distinct features to indicate they're different from the European default, Japanese animators will often give European descended characters distinctions to make them different from the Japanese default, even if both defaults are functionally identical.

Compare AmbiguouslyBrown (when someone has a noticeably different look from the rest of the main cast, but still no [[FacialProfiling distinct]] [[FantasyCounterPartCulture [[FantasyCounterpartCulture giveaways]] or [[WordOfGod confirmed ethnicity]]), OnlySixFaces (where there is little difference at all in character designs), and HumansAreWhite ("stateless" of course means skin ranging from pale to peachy). See also ImplausibleHairColor and PeopleOfHairColor.
31st Oct '17 11:42:00 AM GrammarNavi
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* Played with in ''WesternAnimation/KappaMikey''. All the other characters are Japanese, and drawn in a distinctly {{Anime}}-like style. [[FishOutOfWater Mikey]] from [[ClevelandRocks Cleveland, Ohio]], on the other hand, is drawn in a typical Western-animation style, with sharper lines and bolder outlines. He also lacks the ability to do {{Face Fault}}ing and other anime ways of emoting.

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* Played with in ''WesternAnimation/KappaMikey''. All the other characters are Japanese, and drawn in a distinctly {{Anime}}-like style. [[FishOutOfWater Mikey]] from [[ClevelandRocks [[UsefulNotes/{{Cleveland}} Cleveland, Ohio]], on the other hand, is drawn in a typical Western-animation style, with sharper lines and bolder outlines. He also lacks the ability to do {{Face Fault}}ing and other anime ways of emoting.
4th Oct '17 5:53:01 PM MadAnthony94
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** In response to a fan question, Oda has actually clarified what nationalities the Straw Hats would have if they lived in the real world. Only one crew member, Zoro, was Japanese, with at least three being identified as varying flavors of European.
16th Sep '17 2:59:09 PM Dravidian
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'''The second''' is the idea that the artists are appropriating features from the exotic "other" (in this case white people) into their character designs either for their own interests or for marketing purposes. To that point, the pervasiveness in Japanese pop-culture of physical features such as fair hair, blue or green eyes, pinkish skin, and chiseled facial features which are ''not'' found amongst the homogenous population of Japan arguably suggests such features are considered fashionable, desirable, and interesting. This was compounded exponentially over the last 60 years or so by the pervasive Western standards of beauty that infiltrated most cultures, including Japan, via Hollywood and the Euro/American fashion industry. This is overall more common with {{shoujo}} or {{josei}} series, because a lot of the earliest and most classic shoujo, such ''Manga/CandyCandy'' and ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'', took place in Europe or America.

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'''The second''' is the idea that the artists are appropriating features from the exotic "other" (in this case white people) into their character designs either for their own interests or for marketing purposes. To that point, the pervasiveness in Japanese pop-culture of physical features such as fair hair, hair and blue or green eyes, pinkish skin, and chiseled facial features eyes which are ''not'' found amongst the homogenous population of Japan arguably suggests such features are considered fashionable, desirable, and interesting. This was compounded exponentially over the last 60 years or so by the pervasive Western standards of beauty that infiltrated most cultures, including Japan, via Hollywood and the Euro/American fashion industry. This is overall more common with {{shoujo}} or {{josei}} series, because a lot of the earliest and most classic shoujo, such ''Manga/CandyCandy'' and ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'', took place in Europe or America.
14th Sep '17 6:42:11 AM Pichu-kun
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* Despite being largely responsible for this style, Creator/OsamuTezuka himself has a few aversions. A few of his recurring characters, most notably Tonan Shipan are more distinctly Asian than most. Tezuka also often used an interesting workaround. When depicting his ostensibly Japanese characters traveling to the Western world, he would often exaggerate his foreigners' appearance; Tezuka's Westerners are usually taller than his Japanese characters, with wide shoulders and long noses. This is especially noticeable in ''Manga/BlackJack''.
** This is mostly averted in ''Manga/{{Adolf}}'', wherein the German characters and the Japanese characters look noticeably different.

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* Despite being largely responsible for this style, Creator/OsamuTezuka himself has a few aversions. A few of his recurring characters, most notably Tonan Shipan are more distinctly Asian than most. Tezuka also often used an interesting workaround. When depicting his ostensibly Japanese characters traveling to the Western world, he would often exaggerate his foreigners' appearance; Tezuka's Westerners are usually taller than his Japanese characters, with wide shoulders and long noses. This is especially noticeable in ''Manga/BlackJack''.
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''Manga/BlackJack''. This is mostly averted in ''Manga/{{Adolf}}'', wherein the German characters and the Japanese characters look noticeably different.



* Averted in ''Manga/OyasumiPunpun''. Fans do tend to play it somewhat straight though as they give Aiko reddish hair, due to certain official art having her that way, when her canon color is brown.

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* Averted in ''Manga/OyasumiPunpun''.''Manga/GoodnightPunpun'', which has a semi-realistic art style and no AnimeHair or [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair odd hair colours]]. Fans do tend to play it somewhat straight though as they give Aiko reddish hair, due to certain official art having her that way, when her canon color is brown.
15th Aug '17 12:21:00 AM Octorok103
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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' would be a rare Western media example. The "playable" human characters are rendered with completely white skin, while actual white people (like Andrew Hussie's AuthorAvatar and ''Webcomic/DinosaurComics'' authour Ryan North) are rendered with not-quite-flesh-tone skin that's more orange than anything. WordOfGod has specified that the blank white characters [[http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/15937434515/predictably are supposed to be a-racial]], so it's left up to the reader to decide what race they are.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' would be a rare Western media example. The "playable" human characters are rendered with completely white (as in the color of a sheet of printer paper) skin, while actual white people (like Andrew Hussie's AuthorAvatar and ''Webcomic/DinosaurComics'' authour author Ryan North) are rendered with not-quite-flesh-tone skin that's more orange than anything. WordOfGod has specified that the blank white characters [[http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/15937434515/predictably are supposed to be a-racial]], so it's left up to the reader to decide what race they are.



** Another a-racial character actually hallucinates being explicitly white during a MushroomSamba, although the LampshadeHanging of this in which another character is horrified by the change [[OrwellianRetcon was unhappened]] due to some fans [[FanDumb using it as a means to be racist]], [[WordOfGod the author himself]] was not at all cool with that.

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** Another a-racial character actually hallucinates being explicitly white Caucasian during a MushroomSamba, although the LampshadeHanging of this in which another character is horrified by the change [[OrwellianRetcon was unhappened]] due to some fans [[FanDumb using it as a means to be racist]], [[WordOfGod the author himself]] was not at all cool with that.
23rd Jul '17 10:02:11 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** In ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' the characters' facial features are less distinctly Asian than classically Takahashi, with her distinctive rounded style.

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** In ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' the characters' facial features are less distinctly Asian than classically Takahashi, with her distinctive [[PuniPlush rounded style.style]].



* Used deliberately in ''Anime/NadiaTheSecretOfBlueWater'' to underscore the AmbiguouslyBrown heroine's mysterious origins. Is she African? Indian? (turns out she's Atlantean.) Nadia's classically stateless anime heroine features stand in sharp contrast to the supporting characters, who are all recognizably European or African.

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* Used deliberately in ''Anime/NadiaTheSecretOfBlueWater'' to underscore the AmbiguouslyBrown heroine's mysterious origins. Is she African? Indian? (turns out she's Atlantean.[[{{Atlantis}} Atlantean]].) Nadia's classically stateless anime heroine features stand in sharp contrast to the supporting characters, who are all recognizably European or African.



** Also worth noting is Izumi also sports a much more Asian in appearance then the rest of the cast as well, and not to mention has a distinctly Asian first name amongst a cast that has predominantly Western names even despite her Western maiden name, "Harnet". Like Mustang her ethnicity has yet to be commented on. Note that since Amestris does sport a variety in race in its population it might not be considered worth commenting on by the rest of the cast.

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** Also worth noting is Izumi also sports a much more Asian in appearance then the rest of the cast as well, and not to mention has a distinctly Asian first name amongst a cast that has predominantly Western names even despite her [[MultiEthnicName Western maiden name, name]], "Harnet". Like Mustang her ethnicity has yet to be commented on. Note that since Amestris does sport a variety in race in its population it might not be considered worth commenting on by the rest of the cast.
23rd Jul '17 9:57:40 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** In a downright silly case, not only do the main characters have the requisite bizarre hairstyles (including blonde and ''multi-coloured''), but several of them are the modern Japanese {{reincarnation}}s of their near-identical ''Ancient Egyptian'' predecessors.

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** In a downright silly case, not only do the main characters have the requisite bizarre hairstyles (including blonde and ''multi-coloured''), but several of them are the modern Japanese {{reincarnation}}s of their near-identical ''Ancient Egyptian'' ''{{Ancient Egypt}}ian'' predecessors.
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