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14th Sep '17 8:59:11 AM Eagal
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* [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While opinions of her policies are beyond the scope of this wiki]], some view this as hitting UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton twice. Her husband was extremely popular in office as a fairly conservative Democrat, so in 2008 she ran her campaign with a sense that she would govern in a manner similar to her husband. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party had moved to the left by then, and the nomination went to UsefulNotes/BarackObama. Eight years later, having spent time as Secretary of State and becoming something of TheDragon to Obama, she effectively ran as an extension of Obama's legacy... however, the Democratic base had now shifted further to the Left of him as well. While she won the nomination to run for president, this was only after an intensely heated Primary against Senator Bernie Sanders and getting a concession by pledging to adopt some of Sanders' positions as her own. And after all that, Clinton ''still'' lost to UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, despite "winning" the popular vote (technically; [[http://www.globalresearch.ca/actually-nobody-won-the-2016-presidential-election-and-the-i-voted-for-nobody-group-was-a-landslide/5556857 about 47%]] of the USA didn't vote for anyone in 2016), due to the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem Electoral College]].

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* [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While opinions of her policies are beyond the scope of this wiki]], some view this as hitting UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton twice. Her husband was extremely popular in office as a fairly conservative Democrat, so in 2008 she ran her campaign with a sense that she would govern in a manner similar to her husband. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party had moved to the left by then, and the nomination went to UsefulNotes/BarackObama. Eight years later, having spent time as Secretary of State and becoming something of TheDragon the NumberTwo to Obama, she effectively ran as an extension of Obama's legacy... however, the Democratic base had now shifted further to the Left of him as well. While she won the nomination to run for president, this was only after an intensely heated Primary against Senator Bernie Sanders and getting a concession by pledging to adopt some of Sanders' positions as her own. And after all that, Clinton ''still'' lost to UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, despite "winning" the popular vote (technically; [[http://www.globalresearch.ca/actually-nobody-won-the-2016-presidential-election-and-the-i-voted-for-nobody-group-was-a-landslide/5556857 about 47%]] of the USA didn't vote for anyone in 2016), due to the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem Electoral College]].
9th Sep '17 8:58:03 PM Kadorhal
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* This sort of behavior is the distinguishing mark of an UnpleasableFanbase: Match their original demands and you'll be met with even more extravagant ones ([[InsaneTrollLogic which some will claim to have been stated all along]]).

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* This sort of behavior is the distinguishing mark of an UnpleasableFanbase: Match their original demands and you'll be met with even more extravagant ones ([[InsaneTrollLogic ones, [[InsaneTrollLogic which some will claim to have been stated all along]]).along]].



** Another tricky MortonsFork is the idea that making changes requested by the {{Fandom}} is decried as PanderingToTheBase, while not making them is decried as ignoring it.
* This happens in the trucking industry, including garbage collection. The company decides that in order to justify paying you a certain amount of money, you have to collect a certain amount of garbage per week (which on paper sounds fair enough). If you start approaching that limit however, they then determine that you're capable of collecting more and raise the amount of trash they expect you to collect. Which means you go from collecting, say, 98% of your total amount to closer to 90% (while still collecting the same weight). And since you're now only collecting 90% of what they say you can collect, they're cutting your pay since obviously you must be slacking off.
** Which means that even if you work overtime, they can still say you're not giving it your best.

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** Another tricky MortonsFork Morton's Fork is the idea that making changes requested by the {{Fandom}} is decried as PanderingToTheBase, while not ''not'' making them is decried as ignoring it.
* This happens in the trucking industry, including garbage collection. The company decides that in order to justify paying you a certain amount of money, you have to collect a certain amount of garbage per week (which on paper sounds fair enough). If you start approaching that limit however, they then determine that you're capable of collecting more more, and raise the amount of trash they expect you to collect. Which means you go from collecting, say, 98% of your total amount to closer to 90% (while still collecting the same weight). And weight) - and, since you're now only collecting 90% of what they say you can collect, they're [[ForTheEvulz immediately cutting your pay since obviously you must be slacking off.
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off]]. Which means that even if you work overtime, they can still say you're not giving it your best.



* Tends to show up in {{Soul Sucking Retail Job}}s that sell extended warranties and/or computer services. If you or your store do well a particular week/month/etc, your goal will be adjusted upward, the demand becoming increasingly harder to reach every time it goes up. When you inevitably can't reach it, there's a stern talking to about how much you "failed to meet expectations."
** And sometimes you get the stern talk because a manager was able to sell one when you weren't because they can manipulate the system in ways that would get you fired.
** Same applies to the behind the scenes aspect of a retail job with stock management. Most companies expect their stockroom staff to not only put stock deliveries away and pick items for customers but too run quality checks on the stock locations, tidy the warehouse and fill out stock paperwork. Getting a large amount of this done means management will then expect you to fill out even more paperwork and tidy even more of the warehouse on every shift.

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* Tends to show up in {{Soul Sucking Retail Job}}s that sell extended warranties and/or computer services. If you or your store do well a particular week/month/etc, your goal will be adjusted upward, the demand becoming increasingly harder to reach every time it goes up. When you inevitably can't reach it, there's a stern talking to about how much you "failed to meet expectations."
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" And sometimes you get the stern talk because a manager was able to sell one when you weren't weren't, because they the manager can manipulate the system in ways [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem that would get you fired.
fired.]]
** Same applies to the behind the scenes aspect of a retail job with stock management. Most companies expect their stockroom staff to not only put stock deliveries away and pick items for customers but too to run quality checks on the stock locations, tidy the warehouse and fill out stock paperwork. Getting a large amount of this done means management will then expect you to fill out even more paperwork and tidy even more of the warehouse on every shift.



** The OICW project was subject to this sort of thing too. When it became clear that the [=XM29=] prototype failed to meet ''any'' of the requirements (weight, cost, or effectiveness versus the M4 carbine), the prototype was shelved and the project continued into "Increments" that would have developed both parts of the weapon separately and ''then'' combined them to create the full OICW. They were only willing to move the goalposts so far, however - when the [=XM8=], the result of "Increment One", not only again failed to meet weight requirements but also had a host of other issues[[note]]the plastic casing of the initial models would often melt under sustained fire, fouling up the action and preventing the gun from continuing to fire; the built-in optics of said initial models had a short battery life; and most revisions of the weapon were incompatible with existing accessories, due to using a proprietary "PCAP" system instead of Picatinny rails[[/note]], the project was shelved indefinitely. Meanwhile "Increment Two", the [=XM25=], has continued standalone testing for its airbursting properties.[[note]]It interestingly ended up falling to [[CareerEndingBlunder the opposite problem]] - after a ''single'' one of them [[ReliablyUnreliableGuns misfired]] and injured the user, the ''entire project'' had its funding cut [[NeverLiveItDown as if this were an inherent problem every single example was subject to]].[[/note]]

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** The OICW project was subject to this sort of thing too. When it became clear that the [=XM29=] prototype failed to meet ''any'' of the requirements (weight, cost, or effectiveness versus the M4 carbine), existing M16 with M203), the prototype was shelved and the project continued into "Increments" that would have developed both parts of the weapon separately and ''then'' combined them to create the full OICW. They were only willing to move the goalposts so far, however - when the [=XM8=], the result of "Increment One", not only again failed to meet weight requirements but also had a host of other issues[[note]]the plastic casing of the initial models would often melt under sustained fire, fouling up the action and preventing the gun from continuing to fire; the built-in optics of said initial models had a short battery life; and most revisions of the weapon were incompatible with existing accessories, due to using a proprietary "PCAP" system instead of Picatinny rails[[/note]], rails the Army'd been using for ten years at that point[[/note]], the project was shelved indefinitely. Meanwhile "Increment Two", the [=XM25=], has continued standalone testing for its airbursting properties.[[note]]It interestingly ended up falling to [[CareerEndingBlunder the opposite problem]] - after a ''single'' one of them [[ReliablyUnreliableGuns misfired]] and injured the user, the ''entire project'' had its funding cut [[NeverLiveItDown as if this were an inherent problem every single example was subject to]].[[/note]]
31st Aug '17 11:43:28 AM Kadorhal
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* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d by combining this with ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem in ''Manga/ElementalGelade'', in regards to a fighting match. Up to this point, the character's been winning every 1-1 fight she's been in; then her creditor, who also owns the arena, says "Since I make the rules, I'll just change them." and has her fight two guys at once, to ensure she'll never be rid of him. She beats them handily (with a little help from Coude and the gang), and beats the creditor to death backstage (I think, the last we see of him is his unmoving body with his eyes rolled back in his skull).

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* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d by combining this with ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem in ''Manga/ElementalGelade'', in regards to a fighting match. match with Rasati Tigres. Up to this point, the character's she's been winning every 1-1 one-on-one fight she's been in; then her creditor, who also owns the arena, says "Since I arena she fights in to make money, straight-up changes the rules, I'll just change them." rules and has her fight two guys at once, to ensure she'll never be rid of him. She beats them handily (with a little help from Coude Coud and the gang), and then apparently beats the creditor to death backstage (I think, the last we see of him is his unmoving body with his eyes rolled back in his skull).backstage.



** As early as the first episode, Chronos compromised the rules by handling Judai's entrance exam himself with his personal deck (rather than the test decks the other instructors used). Judai won, humiliating him publically, and it only led to Chronos becoming obsessed in his goal.

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** As early as the first episode, Chronos compromised the rules by handling Judai's entrance exam himself with his personal deck (rather than the test decks the other instructors used). Judai won, humiliating him publically, publicly, and it only led to Chronos becoming obsessed in his goal.
27th Aug '17 1:37:39 PM nombretomado
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* YumeDream: Sadiko offers to let the protagonist leave with the love interest if she can find the only sword in the castle in five minutes. Turns out that according to Sadiko's watch, five minutes is about four minutes, thirty seconds. [[spoiler:And the stakes were also raised from "steal my girlfriend and leave forever" to "kill me and take over the planet"]].

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* YumeDream: ''Webcomic/YuMeDream'': Sadiko offers to let the protagonist leave with the love interest if she can find the only sword in the castle in five minutes. Turns out that according to Sadiko's watch, five minutes is about four minutes, thirty seconds. [[spoiler:And the stakes were also raised from "steal my girlfriend and leave forever" to "kill me and take over the planet"]].
25th Aug '17 12:22:51 PM angie710
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* In 2005, [[http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/savetoby.asp an email forward]] made the rounds, stating that the original sender of the email had hit some financial hard times, and would have to cook and eat his pet rabbit if he didn't receive enough donations. (A variation on the same also appeared, with an alleged young couple threatening to have an abortion unless they received enough donations.) In both cases, either the amount asked for, or the time in which to donate the money were increased.
24th Aug '17 7:41:22 AM MaxWest2
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* A notorious work-at-home scam is craft assembly. Here's how it works: you pay an upfront fee and purchase supplies from a company to assemble merchandise in your home (crosses, dollhouses, toy robots, toy clowns, etc); when you finish, you are informed that the company will pay you for the items you assembled. But they don't. They will almost always refuse on the grounds that they don't meet quality control standards. Sometimes they do this even you follow the assembly instructions to the letter. In some of these scams, the materials are deliberately of inferior quality and the instructions intentionally vague, ensuring that the items are not up to quality standards. The scammers get your money and the mark ends up with worthless items.
16th Aug '17 2:28:50 AM Vir
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* In the video game ''VideoGame/TheMisadventuresOfTronBonne'' you start out with a million in debt that you have to pay off. When you raise that money, the loan shark takes it and insists that you now owe Interest that comes to 2 million MORE. When you finally pay that off, he says that you owe interest on your interest. When the main character refuses to comply, he kidnaps her and forces you to invade and destroy everything.[[spoiler:The ending shows Teisel claiming that it was all [[ThePlan part of his plan]] to get the entire stash of the BigBad. On one hand, tricking someone you know will try this trope is believable. On the other hand... [[BigBadWannabe the Bonnes coming up with that]]?]]

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* In the video game ''VideoGame/TheMisadventuresOfTronBonne'' you start out with a million in debt that you have to pay off. When you raise that money, the loan shark takes it and insists that you now owe Interest that comes to 2 million MORE. When you finally pay that off, he says that you owe interest on your interest. When the main character refuses to comply, he kidnaps her and forces you to invade and destroy everything.[[spoiler:The ending shows Teisel claiming that it was all [[ThePlan part of his plan]] to get the entire stash of the BigBad. On one hand, tricking someone you know will try this trope is believable. On the other hand... [[BigBadWannabe the Bonnes coming up with that]]?]]


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* In an FMV promoting ''VideoGame/CrashOfTheTitans'', Nina goes to a salon that has a sign in the window saying that it's giving manicures for $10. The owner clearly does not want to work on her {{cyborg}} hands, so they throw her out and change the sign to say that it's $20 for cyborgs. When she gets the money from Dr. Cortex, the short ends with them throwing her out again and making another addendum to the sign saying that it's now $20 per hand.
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4th Aug '17 12:56:54 PM Kadorhal
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* Jack Thompson wrote a "Modest Video Game Proposal", wherein he promised to donate $10,000 to a charity of the choosing of Paul Eibeler (former chairman of Take-Two Interactive, publisher of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' and target of Thompson's ire) for the creation of a video game involving the player going on a killing spree against people in the gaming industry. Such a game was made, in the form of ''VideoGame/ImOK''. Thompson reneged on his end of the deal, though, saying the game had to be published and sold commercially. Thankfully, ''Webcomic/PennyArcade'' jumped to the rescue, donating the 10K in Jack's name to the Entertainment Software Association Foundation Charity "''for Jack Thompson, [[TakeThat because Jack Thompson won't]]''". [[FrivolousLawsuit And then Jack Thompson tried to sue them for it.]]

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* Jack Thompson wrote a "Modest Video Game Proposal", wherein he promised to donate $10,000 to a charity of the choosing of Paul Eibeler (former chairman (then-chairman of Take-Two Interactive, publisher of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' and target of Thompson's ire) for the creation of a video game involving the player going on a killing spree against people in the gaming industry. Such a game was made, in the form of ''VideoGame/ImOK''. Thompson reneged on his end of the deal, though, saying the game had to be published and sold commercially. Thankfully, ''Webcomic/PennyArcade'' jumped to the rescue, donating the 10K in Jack's name to the Entertainment Software Association Foundation Charity "''for Jack Thompson, [[TakeThat because Jack Thompson won't]]''". [[FrivolousLawsuit And then Jack Thompson tried to sue them for it.]]



** Likewise, when conspiracy theorists claimed that the towers were brought down by controlled use of thermite [[note]]in response to people pointing out the lack of loud noises from explosive charges[[/note]], experts showed that the pattern of destruction was incompatible with the way in which thermite burns, at which point conspiracy theorists immediately claimed that it was done with an unknown "super thermite"[[note]]Based on a substance called "nano-thermite", which of course doesn't act like they think.[[/note]] that didn't act like regular thermite, even though there was no evidence that this super thermite actually existed.
*** Some now claim that it was some combination of some variant of thermite ''and'' explosives, despite the fact that this has all the flaws of both theories; both the loud bangs of explosives, ''and'' the bright flashes of thermite.

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** Likewise, when conspiracy theorists claimed that the towers were brought down by controlled use of thermite [[note]]in response to people pointing out the lack of loud noises from explosive charges[[/note]], experts showed that the pattern of destruction was incompatible with the way in which thermite burns, at which point conspiracy theorists immediately claimed that it was done with an unknown "super thermite"[[note]]Based on a substance called "nano-thermite", which of course doesn't act like they think.[[/note]] that didn't act like regular thermite, even though there was no evidence that this super thermite actually existed. \n*** Some now claim that it was some combination of some variant of thermite ''and'' explosives, despite the fact that this has all the flaws of both theories; theories (lacking both the loud bangs of explosives, explosives ''and'' the bright flashes of thermite.thermite).
4th Aug '17 12:49:02 PM Kadorhal
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** Got some voluntary work? That'll look good on your resume. Unpaid internships? Even better. Wait, is everyone doing volunteering and interning now, just to get better resumes...? Add it all up, and you'll have some companies who will only hire bachelors' graduates for their ''internship positions'' due to demand there too. And then only honours' graduates... Even better, they'll add the requirement "minimum X years experience," with numbers that get higher and higher.\\
It's odd enough to apply for an entry-level position that requires you to have 5 to 7 years experience in the job, this gets ridiculous when the requirement is for jobs (or software) that ''haven't existed'' for that long.

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** Got some voluntary work? That'll look good on your resume. Unpaid internships? Even better. Wait, is everyone doing volunteering and interning now, just to get better resumes...? Add it all up, and you'll have some companies who will only hire bachelors' graduates for their ''internship positions'' due to demand there too. And then only honours' graduates... Even better, they'll add the requirement "minimum X years experience," with numbers that get higher and higher.\\
It's odd enough to apply for an entry-level position that requires you to have 5 to 7 years experience in the job, but this gets ridiculous when the requirement is for jobs (or software) that ''haven't existed'' for that long.



* Before the Civil Rights Act was passed in the 1960s, voter literacy tests in parts of the DeepSouth were [[UnwinnableByDesign deliberately designed to be impossible to pass]], in order to disenfranchise a large number of voters.
** To ensure that ''only'' black voters were disenfranchised, these tests were coupled with the trope-naming GrandfatherClause - if your grandfather was eligible to vote, so are you, regardless of whether you can pass the literacy test.

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* Before the Civil Rights Act was passed in the 1960s, voter literacy tests in parts of the DeepSouth were [[UnwinnableByDesign deliberately designed to be impossible to pass]], in order to disenfranchise a large number of voters.
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voters. And to ensure that ''only'' black voters were disenfranchised, these tests were coupled with the trope-naming GrandfatherClause - if your grandfather was eligible to vote, so are you, regardless of whether you can pass the literacy test.



* ''[=ReactOS=]'', an attempt to implement an open-source OS capable of running Windows programs, has been hit by this from the get-go. It started out as ''[=FreeWin95=]'' back in 1996 with the goal to implement Windows 95 support. Then it went silent and was revamped into it's current form in 1998, with the goal changed to implement Windows NT 4 support. Then it just kept moving forward from there. The team has currently agreed to keep their target locked at implementing Windows XP support to prevent this trope from affecting them further.
* [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While opinions of her policies are beyond the scope of this wiki]], some view this as hitting UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton twice. Her husband was extremely popular in office as a fairly conservative Democrat, so in 2008 she ran her campaign with a sense that she would govern in a manner similar to her husband. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party has moved to the left and the nomination went to UsefulNotes/BarackObama. Eight years later, having spent time as Secretary of State and becoming something of TheDragon to Obama she effectively ran as an extension of Obama's legacy... however, the Democratic base had now shifted to the Left of him as well. While she won the nomination to run for president, this was only after an intensely heated Primary against Senator Bernie Sanders and getting a concession by pledging to adopt some of Sanders' positions as her own.
** And after all that, Clinton ''still'' lost to UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, due to the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem Electoral College]]; despite "winning" the popular vote ([[http://www.globalresearch.ca/actually-nobody-won-the-2016-presidential-election-and-the-i-voted-for-nobody-group-was-a-landslide/5556857 About 47%]] of the USA didn't vote for anyone in 2016).
* Climate change/global warming deniers are known to do this. They used to say that global warming does not exist at all and the earth is actually cooling. While this is still somewhat prevalent in some rightist circles, most have moved the goalpost to "Global warming is real, but it's not man-made."

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* ''[=ReactOS=]'', an attempt to implement an open-source OS capable of running Windows programs, has been hit by this from the get-go. It started out as ''[=FreeWin95=]'' back in 1996 with the goal to implement Windows 95 support. Then it went silent and was revamped into it's its current form in 1998, with the goal changed to implement Windows NT 4 support. Then it just kept moving forward from there. The team has currently agreed to keep their target locked at implementing Windows XP support to prevent this trope from affecting them further.
* [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While opinions of her policies are beyond the scope of this wiki]], some view this as hitting UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton twice. Her husband was extremely popular in office as a fairly conservative Democrat, so in 2008 she ran her campaign with a sense that she would govern in a manner similar to her husband. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party has had moved to the left by then, and the nomination went to UsefulNotes/BarackObama. Eight years later, having spent time as Secretary of State and becoming something of TheDragon to Obama Obama, she effectively ran as an extension of Obama's legacy... however, the Democratic base had now shifted further to the Left of him as well. While she won the nomination to run for president, this was only after an intensely heated Primary against Senator Bernie Sanders and getting a concession by pledging to adopt some of Sanders' positions as her own.
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own. And after all that, Clinton ''still'' lost to UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, due to the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem Electoral College]]; UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, despite "winning" the popular vote ([[http://www.(technically; [[http://www.globalresearch.ca/actually-nobody-won-the-2016-presidential-election-and-the-i-voted-for-nobody-group-was-a-landslide/5556857 About about 47%]] of the USA didn't vote for anyone in 2016).
2016), due to the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem Electoral College]].
* Climate change/global warming deniers are known to do this. They used to say that global warming does not exist at all and the earth is actually cooling. While this is still somewhat prevalent in some rightist circles, most have moved the goalpost to "Global warming is real, but it's not man-made." "
29th Jul '17 12:02:44 AM CASCHero
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* In ''VideoGame/BioShock'', Atlas is ticked off at how every time you come close to your goal Ryan does something to slow you down. Claiming that every time you make a touchdown, Ryan just pushes the goalposts further down the field. [[spoiler: Of course once Ryan is taken care of, you now have to deal with Atlas or, as he's really known, Fontaine who tries to kill you. You start to go after him after you broken free from the brainwashing he put on you. He has a backup plan in the form of a code which messes with your biology and you have to scour for item to get that cured. When you manage, Fontaine blows up a passage to keep him from getting to you and now you have to find a way around that before finally confronting him.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/BioShock'', Atlas is ticked off at how every time you come close to your goal Ryan does something to slow you down. Claiming that every time you make a touchdown, Ryan just pushes the goalposts further down the field. [[spoiler: Of course once Ryan is taken care of, you now have to deal with Atlas or, as he's really known, Fontaine who tries to kill you. You start to go after him after you broken free from the brainwashing he put on you. He has a backup plan in the form of a code which messes with your biology and you have to scour for item items to get that cured. When you manage, Fontaine blows up a passage to keep him you from getting to you him and now you have to find a way around that before finally confronting him.]]
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