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29th Jan '16 5:57:15 AM Morgenthaler
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* While the ''Film/DownPeriscope'' example above was a comedic movie, attempting to fudge the results of a wargame, exercise, or test of a new piece of equipment when it doesn't come out the way someone wants has a long and inglorious tradition in many militaries. Possibly the most notorious example in recent years was the 2002 Millennium Challenge wargame when Lt. Gen [[AwesomeMcCoolname Paul van Riper]] publicly accused the organizers of cheating to ensure a US victory when his unconventional tactics, playing the technologically inferior enemy force, sank the US fleet (which were arbitrarily refloated to restart the exercise and had the rules changed so they were untouchable), prevented communication interception by using couriers instead of radio or telephone (which had the rules changed so he wasn't allowed to do it), and forced the opposition into using tactics which made them mincemeat for American weapons and tactics.
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* While the ''Film/DownPeriscope'' example above was a comedic movie, attempting Attempting to fudge the results of a wargame, exercise, or test of a new piece of equipment when it doesn't come out the way someone wants has a long and inglorious tradition in many militaries. Possibly the most notorious example in recent years was the 2002 Millennium Challenge wargame when Lt. Gen [[AwesomeMcCoolname Paul van Riper]] publicly accused the organizers of cheating to ensure a US victory when his unconventional tactics, playing the technologically inferior enemy force, sank the US fleet (which were arbitrarily refloated to restart the exercise and had the rules changed so they were untouchable), prevented communication interception by using couriers instead of radio or telephone (which had the rules changed so he wasn't allowed to do it), and forced the opposition into using tactics which made them mincemeat for American weapons and tactics.
10th Jan '16 7:16:05 PM R1ck
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** And both of these, of course, disregarded the successful 1903 flight of New Zealander [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse Richard Pearse]], some nine months before the Wright Brothers, as it was largely considered 'too insignificant' for recording in Europe and the US.

* One political cartoon depicted this trope in the immediate aftermath of the Bush/Gore election, while people were still trying to figure out which candidate had won Florida.
13th Dec '15 12:19:39 PM eowynjedi
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* In the third case of ''VideoGame/ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney'', Phoenix uses witness testimony to prove that his client couldn't have dropped a particular piece of evidence. The Inquisitor is taken aback, but then he declares that witchcraft alters people's memories and tells the witnesses to "rethink" their testimony and try again. In other words, any time the testimony contradicts the Inquisition's case, it doesn't count. (Fortunately, there's a witness who ''isn't'' a [[LoopholeAbuse "person"]].)
12th Dec '15 9:32:44 AM TheWanderer
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* Also portrayed in the Season Five budget negotiations. President Bartlet and newly-elected Speaker of the House [[SmugSnake Jeff Haffley]] are battling over the budget, with Bartlet believing that they have come to an agreement on a 1% capital gains tax cut. However, at their next meeting, Haffley unexpectedly says that his caucus will only accept a 3% cut, or no budget. Bartlet doesn't agree to this, and the government subsequently goes into shutdown.
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* ** Also portrayed in the Season Five budget negotiations. President Bartlet and newly-elected Speaker of the House [[SmugSnake Jeff Haffley]] are battling over the budget, with Bartlet believing that they have come to an agreement on a 1% capital gains tax cut. However, at their next meeting, Haffley unexpectedly says that his caucus will only accept a 3% cut, or no budget. Bartlet doesn't agree to this, and the government subsequently goes into shutdown.
12th Dec '15 9:32:15 AM TheWanderer
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Now that we have the Armor Piercing Response trope, it fits this situation much better than the Question does.
'''Dr. Keyworth:''' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Good. Cause it's never,]] ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion never]]'' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion going to happen.]]
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'''Dr. Keyworth:''' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion [[ArmorPiercingResponse Good. Cause it's never,]] ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion ''[[ArmorPiercingResponse never]]'' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion [[ArmorPiercingResponse going to happen.]]
8th Dec '15 5:23:33 PM ecuvulle6267
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* ''Film/TheHungerGames'': [[spoiler:The Gamemasters announce that two people can live if they're from the same district, then revoke it at the end when two actually manage to fill that condition. Katniss showed them up by threatening suicide with Peeta, forcing them to make good on the original promise so they'd have someone to crown a victor instead of a martyr.]]
6th Dec '15 3:37:28 PM BattleMaster
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* This is also a known tactic of many parents to get their children motivated without actually having to cough up a reward when the goal is achieved.
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* This is also a known tactic of many parents to get their children motivated without actually having to cough up a reward when the goal is achieved. Tends to stop working after a few times, as the kids start assuming that TheCakeIsALie.
2nd Dec '15 7:11:22 AM hullflyer
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* This type of argument is commonly often used against evolution. For instance, in a debate over the evolution of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle bombardier beetle]], person A might say "It is impossible for the bombardier beetle's 'flamethrower' defense to have evolved by a series of small steps." Person B then [[http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html proposes a series of possible small steps]] that could produce such a defense mechanism. Person A then responds that they can't prove this was the ''actual'' series of steps that the bombardier beetle's ancestors went through. The original goal was to prove that ''some'' series of steps was ''hypothetically possible'', but person A has shifted the goalposts to now require evidence that these steps actually happened. ** The "missing link" argument by Creationists as noted in the Futurama example goes like this: There are no transitional fossils found between distinct species, often just talking about the link between man and apes. When a link is found, they demand the links between the two, or state the creature doesn't count as half of one creature and half another. When the limits of the fossil records are reached (only a tiny fraction of animals are preserved), the creationists claim victory. ** RichardDawkins noted something similar - if a fossil is found which bisects a gap in the evolutionary record, well, the creationist can now argue that there are ''two'' gaps instead of one.
27th Nov '15 2:08:11 AM JetpackPercy
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* A Toyota advert has a mother promising to buy her son an ice cream the next time they stop for gas. Fair enough, but the car turns out to have ludicrously good gas mileage, and the kid never gets his ice cream.
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* A Toyota advert has a mother promising to buy her son an ice cream the next time they stop for gas. Fair enough, but the car turns out to have ludicrously good gas mileage, and the kid never gets his ice cream.Ice cream. * A literal example where Segata Sanshiro, while as a soccer goalie, gets a "nice save" by, well, [[TitleDrop moving the goalpost.]] [[spoiler: He gets a red card for this.]]
23rd Nov '15 1:14:10 PM Morgenthaler
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* This is implied to have already happened in the lead-up to [[Creator/ClintEastwood Gunny Highway]] taking over the command of [[RagtagBandOfMisfits Recon Platoon]] in the movie ''HeartbreakRidge''. Specifically, rather than traditional "war games", Recon has been reduced to instigating a very blatant and unsuccessful ambush of the more "elite unit" and be faux-slaughtered horribly. Highway, who has already had several tours of duty (it was his off-duty antics that got him in trouble) knew that the enemy would never be so considerate as to only set up an ambush at a previously agreed upon time and place; so he [[InvertedTrope moved the goalposts back]] and Recon proceeded to annihilate the unprepared "elites".
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* This is implied to have already happened in the lead-up to [[Creator/ClintEastwood Gunny Highway]] taking over the command of [[RagtagBandOfMisfits Recon Platoon]] in the movie ''HeartbreakRidge''.''Film/HeartbreakRidge''. Specifically, rather than traditional "war games", Recon has been reduced to instigating a very blatant and unsuccessful ambush of the more "elite unit" and be faux-slaughtered horribly. Highway, who has already had several tours of duty (it was his off-duty antics that got him in trouble) knew that the enemy would never be so considerate as to only set up an ambush at a previously agreed upon time and place; so he [[InvertedTrope moved the goalposts back]] and Recon proceeded to annihilate the unprepared "elites".
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