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7th Apr '18 2:32:40 AM ACW
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** Gives another one to [[KnightTemplar Hakumen]] when he demands to know Terumi's intentions. Doubly notable because Terumi shoots back with both a completely honest motive rant while also completely mocking Hakumen for thinking that he would ever have, or ever even ''need,'' a greater motivation beyond simply living out the fact that he's an unrepentant {{sadist}}ic CompleteMonster.

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** Gives another one to [[KnightTemplar Hakumen]] when he demands to know Terumi's intentions. Doubly notable because Terumi shoots back with both a completely honest motive rant while also completely mocking Hakumen for thinking that he would ever have, or ever even ''need,'' a greater motivation beyond simply living out the fact that he's an unrepentant {{sadist}}ic CompleteMonster.{{sadist}}.
3rd Apr '18 7:34:43 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/Scream1996'': DiscussedTrope. When Sidney prompts the killer for a motive, he derides the whole idea of a Motive Rant, pointing out that the villain tends to be [[NothingIsScarier a lot scarier if there's no motive]]. However, this is immediately double subverted when he gives her one anyway.
24th Mar '18 6:33:47 AM Luigifan
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This trope doesn't necessarily have to be applied in the interrogation room. It could be given by the killer when he thinks that he's got the FinalGirl at his mercy, a bit of EvilGloating JustBetweenYouAndMe or when he's explaining his motivations to an accomplice. All that matters is that the killer explains just ''why'' he's committing his crime in the first place.

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This trope doesn't necessarily have to be applied in the interrogation room. It could be given by the killer when he thinks that he's got the FinalGirl at his mercy, a bit of EvilGloating JustBetweenYouAndMe JustBetweenYouAndMe, or when he's explaining his motivations to an accomplice. All that matters is that the killer explains just ''why'' he's committing his crime in the first place.



* As stated in the quote at the top of the page, Vegeta had a '''huge''' axe to grind with Goku, [[spoiler:and after goading Goku by killing 200 innocent people and threatening to kill even more]], Goku accepted Vegeta's request for one more battle, which eventually led to the most epic and intensely fought rematch in all of Anime/DragonBallZ. [[spoiler:[[NiceJobBreakingItHero The battle also led to the resurrection of a five million year old demon, who would later wreak absolute havoc throughout the universe.]] [[HonorBeforeReason Of course, both of them already knew that was a potential consequence of them fighting each other.]]]]
* Every episode of ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' ends with one in which the culprit explains why he or she did it. Sometimes countered by a motive rant from another person that completely destroys their motives and breaks the culprit completely.

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* As stated in the quote at the top of the page, Vegeta had a '''huge''' axe to grind with Goku, [[spoiler:and after goading Goku by killing 200 innocent people and threatening to kill even more]], Goku accepted Vegeta's request for one more battle, which eventually led to the most epic and intensely fought rematch in all of Anime/DragonBallZ. ''Anime/DragonBallZ''. [[spoiler:[[NiceJobBreakingItHero The battle also led to the resurrection of a five million year old five-million-year-old demon, who would later wreak absolute havoc throughout the universe.]] [[HonorBeforeReason Of course, both of them already knew that was a potential consequence of them fighting each other.]]]]
* Every episode of ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' ends with one in which the culprit explains why he or she did it. Sometimes countered by a motive rant from another person that completely destroys their motives and [[VillainousBSOD breaks the culprit completely.completely]].



* ''Manga/DeathNote'': Light has one in the last chapter about how the world needs Kira and if they stop him the world will only go back to the rotten way it was, and [[spoiler:Near is only chasing him for his own ego.]] Both are correct: [[spoiler:when Light stopped being Kira for a while midway through his battle with L, the crime rate shot up past pre-Kira levels overnight, proving it was only fear of Kira keeping it down]].

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* ''Manga/DeathNote'': Light has one in the last chapter about how the world needs Kira and if they stop him him, the world will only go back to the rotten way it was, and [[spoiler:Near is only chasing him for his own ego.]] ego]]. Both are correct: [[spoiler:when Light stopped being Kira for a while midway through his battle with L, the crime rate shot up past pre-Kira levels overnight, proving it was only fear of Kira keeping it down]].



** Gendo gets a good one at the end of the ''Evangelion'' manga as well. Notable because he does it [[spoiler:after he saves Shinji from the soldiers instead of Misato like in the anime]], and because he explains in a straightforward, non-symbolism laden manner exactly how he feels towards Shinji: [[spoiler:he doesn't love him, he doesn't like him. He is jealous of Shinji because Yui loved him as well.]] This is different from his in-anime justification which is that [[spoiler:he didn't think he'd make a good dad and thought that Shinji would hate him, a SelfFulfillingProphecy]], but he never gets the opportunity to make the rant there.

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** Gendo gets a good one at the end of the ''Evangelion'' manga as well. Notable because he does it [[spoiler:after he saves Shinji from the soldiers instead of Misato like in the anime]], and because he explains in a straightforward, non-symbolism laden non-symbolism-laden manner exactly how he feels towards Shinji: [[spoiler:he doesn't love him, he doesn't like him. He is jealous of Shinji because Yui loved him as well.]] well]]. This is different from his in-anime justification justification, which is that [[spoiler:he didn't think he'd make a good dad and thought that Shinji would hate him, a SelfFulfillingProphecy]], but he never gets the opportunity to make the rant there.



* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline''. When Kirito and Asuna finally catch up to the BigBad, Akihiko Kayaba, explains the purpose behind Aincrad and the death game played there. [[spoiler: He had a dream of a floating castle and wanted to make it a reality.]]

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* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline''. When Kirito and Asuna finally catch up to the BigBad, Akihiko Kayaba, explains the purpose behind Aincrad and the death game played there. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He had a dream of a floating castle and wanted to make it a reality.]]



--> [[spoiler:'''Jason:''' Is ''that'' what you think this is about? You letting me die?! I don't know what clouds your judgment worse: your guilt or [[GoodIsOldFashioned your antiquated sense of morality]]. Bruce, I forgive you for not saving me. But why, on God's Earth..." (kicks open a door, revealing the Joker.) "...IS ''HE'' STILL ALIVE?!?" ]]
* ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' has one of the best Motive Rants of all time, where the surprise villain, [[spoiler:Adrian Veidt]], reveals his incredibly [[ThePlan elaborate plan]] while ignoring ''three separate people'' [[spoiler:trying to kill him in mid-sentence]], and not only did he [[spoiler:actually pull off his scheme [[YouAreTooLate thirty-five minutes before the heroes even arrived]], he also ''convinces a couple of the heroes that since he's already pulled it off, they have to go along with it for the greater good]]''.

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--> [[spoiler:'''Jason:''' Is ''that'' what you think this is about? You letting me die?! I don't know what clouds your judgment worse: your guilt or [[GoodIsOldFashioned your antiquated sense of morality]]. Bruce, I forgive you for not saving me. But why, on God's Earth..." (kicks open a door, revealing the Joker.) "...IS ''HE'' STILL ALIVE?!?" ]]
ALIVE?!?"]]
* ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' has one of the best Motive Rants of all time, where the surprise villain, [[spoiler:Adrian Veidt]], reveals his incredibly [[ThePlan elaborate plan]] while ignoring ''three separate people'' [[spoiler:trying to kill him in mid-sentence]], and not only did he [[spoiler:actually pull off his scheme [[YouAreTooLate thirty-five minutes before the heroes even arrived]], he also ''convinces a couple of the heroes that since he's already pulled it off, they have to go along with it for the greater good]]''.good'']].



--> '''Willow:''' "Don't you dare. Don't you ''dare'' try to say I'm like you! This is all your fault! Thinking you can fix things! Running blindly down any road that might lead to redemption! And you're doing it ''again''! Never worrying about the consequences until it's too late! You're ruined ''everything'', Angel!!" ({{beat}}) "Can't you see what were missing? How empty the world is? There hasn't been a decent song, movie or book, since we lost the Seed! Suicide rates are spiking! All over the world people are losing hope! It's just starting! It only gets worse from here! The world's dying and nobody will admit it! I need to save it. There's nothing more important. Why doesn't anyone understand...?"

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--> '''Willow:''' "Don't you dare. Don't you ''dare'' try to say I'm like you! This is all your fault! Thinking you can fix things! Running blindly down any road that might lead to redemption! And you're doing it ''again''! Never worrying about the consequences until it's too late! You're ruined ''everything'', Angel!!" ({{beat}}) "Can't you see what were missing? How empty the world is? There hasn't been a decent song, movie movie, or book, since we lost the Seed! Suicide rates are spiking! All over the world people are losing hope! It's just starting! It only gets worse from here! The world's dying and nobody will admit it! I need to save it. There's nothing more important. Why doesn't anyone understand...?"



* Dumbledore, while not evil, gives a surprisingly dark one in ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' in which he lays out how his fellow wizards frustrate and how he could still become a dark lord that would put Voldemort to shame, before stating the reason he remains headmaster and nothing more is because of this temptation.
--> In the view of the Wizarding peoples of the world, the three most significant discoveries are the invention of the Wand, the creation of the Philosopher's Stone and the discovery of the Twelve Uses of Dragon's Blood. One man had a hand in two of those. In the muggle world, you could name a dozen discoveries, all of similar significance and not one name would need to appear twice. The once noble calling of the Alchemist and the Research Wizard has been cast aside. The greatest minds are limited to little more than exploration of old principles, and that in their spare time. The only researchers and innovators that remain in Britain are those at the Department of Mysteries, and their discoveries are suppressed or used for the sole benefit of the Ministry and the current elite. There is no sharing of information and no desire to use the information for the betterment of wizarding kind, let alone mankind at large. The situation is much the same around the world... I could easily have decided that I, who was born with so much power, should therefore take more, because I was born to greatness. Voldemort would have been nothing compared to me. I could easily have used my influence over the students to form an army, or, far more insidious, a group of followers, dancing on my strings like puppets. Horace Slughorn would have been an amateur by comparison. I could have done far more with my offices as Supreme Mugwump and Chief Warlock than I have done, becoming effective ruler of every wanded wizard on the planet.

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* Dumbledore, while not evil, gives a surprisingly dark one in ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' in which he lays out how his fellow wizards frustrate him and how he could still become a dark lord that would put Voldemort to shame, before stating the reason he remains headmaster and nothing more is because of this temptation.
--> In the view of the Wizarding peoples of the world, the three most significant discoveries are the invention of the Wand, the creation of the Philosopher's Stone Stone, and the discovery of the Twelve Uses of Dragon's Blood. One man had a hand in two of those. In the muggle world, you could name a dozen discoveries, all of similar significance and not one name would need to appear twice. The once noble calling of the Alchemist and the Research Wizard has been cast aside. The greatest minds are limited to little more than exploration of old principles, and that in their spare time. The only researchers and innovators that remain in Britain are those at the Department of Mysteries, and their discoveries are suppressed or used for the sole benefit of the Ministry and the current elite. There is no sharing of information and no desire to use the information for the betterment of wizarding kind, let alone mankind at large. The situation is much the same around the world... I could easily have decided that I, who was born with so much power, should therefore take more, because I was born to greatness. Voldemort would have been nothing compared to me. I could easily have used my influence over the students to form an army, or, far more insidious, a group of followers, dancing on my strings like puppets. Horace Slughorn would have been an amateur by comparison. I could have done far more with my offices as Supreme Mugwump and Chief Warlock than I have done, becoming effective ruler of every wanded wizard on the planet.
23rd Mar '18 9:16:13 AM IamTheCaligula
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** Gives another one to [[KnightTemplar Hakumen]] when he demands to know Terumi's intentions. Doubly notable because Terumi shoots back with both a completely honest motive rant while also completely mocking Hakumen for thinking that he would ever have, or ever even ''need,'' a greater motivation beyond simply living out the fact that he's an unrepentant {{sadist}}ic CompleteMonster.
--->'''Terumi:''' C'mon, you know me better than that 'old buddy!' Surely you don't mean to imply ''I'' need a reason to destroy and manipulate and ''kill!?'' OK, all right, fine! How about this reason? Seems as good as any. I do all the wonderful things I do [[ForTheEvulz because I want to see the miserable look on the faces of people like YOU when you're wallowing in despair, dismay, grief, frustration, misery...]] all sorts of other unpleasant nouns. [...] I guess you could say I'm just bored. At least misery is interesting.
23rd Feb '18 4:44:18 PM oforiousmic
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* The ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' episode "The Trial" has Angelica revealing that she did break Tommy's lamp after failing to pin it on Chuckie, Phil and/or Lil. It's a bit of KarmicRetribution as Angelica starts gloating that, even though she confessed, they couldn't do anything because they can't talk... forgetting that she ''can''. And Didi and Betty heard the whole thing.

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* The ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' episode "The Trial" has Angelica revealing that she did break Tommy's lamp after failing to pin it on Chuckie, Phil and/or Lil. It's a bit of KarmicRetribution LaserGuidedKarma as Angelica starts gloating that, even though she confessed, they couldn't do anything because they can't talk... forgetting that she ''can''. And Didi and Betty heard the whole thing.
17th Feb '18 8:18:56 AM StarSword
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* ''Manga/DeathNote'': Light has one in the last episode about how the world needs Kira and if they stop him the world will only go back to the rotten way it was, and [[spoiler:Near is only chasing him for his own ego.]] Both are correct.[[WordOfGod According to Ohba]], [[spoiler:crime rates went back up after Light's defeat]], proving that it was only fear keeping people in line.

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* ''Manga/DeathNote'': Light has one in the last episode chapter about how the world needs Kira and if they stop him the world will only go back to the rotten way it was, and [[spoiler:Near is only chasing him for his own ego.]] Both are correct.[[WordOfGod According to Ohba]], [[spoiler:crime rates went back correct: [[spoiler:when Light stopped being Kira for a while midway through his battle with L, the crime rate shot up after Light's defeat]], past pre-Kira levels overnight, proving that it was only fear of Kira keeping people in line.it down]].
1st Feb '18 10:31:42 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** ''Literature/ManaMutationMenace'': Nulso Xialin, [[spoiler: currently possessed by Order]], explains why he is invading a village and enslaving its populace while he does so. Ordercrafter are empowered by Law and Stability, so they are supernaturally compelled by their own magic to justify such actions.

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** ''Literature/ManaMutationMenace'': Nulso Xialin, [[spoiler: currently possessed by Order]], explains why he is invading a village and enslaving its populace while he does so. Ordercrafter Ordercrafters are empowered by Law and Stability, so they are supernaturally compelled by their own magic to justify such actions.
28th Dec '17 5:18:07 AM Cryoclaste
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* Lily in ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' has one of these in "The Front Porch", imitating the ''AFewGoodMen'' example.

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* Lily in ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' has one of these in "The Front Porch", imitating the ''AFewGoodMen'' ''Film/AFewGoodMen'' example.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' [[MemeticMutation did it]]. In "Sideshow Bob Roberts", when Lisa insinuates that Bob is too stupid to have rigged an election and claims Bob's [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Rush Limbaugh look-alike]] accomplice is the real brains of the operation, Bob flies into a rant about how he (and only he) had the brains to orchestrate everything, parodying the ''AFewGoodMen'' quote above. He is then promptly taken to jail for "all that stuff [he] did" with unusual expediency for the Springfield police.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' [[MemeticMutation did it]]. In "Sideshow Bob Roberts", when Lisa insinuates that Bob is too stupid to have rigged an election and claims Bob's [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Rush Limbaugh look-alike]] accomplice is the real brains of the operation, Bob flies into a rant about how he (and only he) had the brains to orchestrate everything, parodying the ''AFewGoodMen'' ''Film/AFewGoodMen'' quote above. He is then promptly taken to jail for "all that stuff [he] did" with unusual expediency for the Springfield police.
24th Dec '17 9:41:43 AM TFSyndicate
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* On ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'', Newman has been known to jump into one of these from time to time, be it with mailmen GoingPostal ("''The mail never stops.''"), zip codes ("''They're meaningless.''"), or, god forbid, ''junk mail''! ("''It takes just as much man-power to deliver it as their precious little greeting cards!''")
28th Nov '17 9:29:43 PM Pastykake
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This tropes doesn't necessarily have to be applied in the interrogation room. It could be given by the killer when he thinks that he's got the FinalGirl at his mercy, a bit of EvilGloating JustBetweenYouAndMe or when he's explaining his motivations to an accomplice. All that matters is that the killer explains just ''why'' he's committing his crime in the first place.

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This tropes trope doesn't necessarily have to be applied in the interrogation room. It could be given by the killer when he thinks that he's got the FinalGirl at his mercy, a bit of EvilGloating JustBetweenYouAndMe or when he's explaining his motivations to an accomplice. All that matters is that the killer explains just ''why'' he's committing his crime in the first place.
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