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23rd Sep '17 8:33:37 PM Vir
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog'' episode "Hero of the Year", Robotnik traps Sonic's friends aboard Wes Weasley's yacht and tells Sonic that if doesn't come quietly, then he'll sink the yacht. After Sonic complies and is put into a bathysphere, Robotnik tells him that in order to prevent any of Sonic's friends from rescuing him, he'll sink the yacht.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog'' episode "Hero of the Year", Robotnik traps Sonic's friends aboard Wes Weasley's yacht and tells Sonic that if he doesn't come quietly, then he'll sink the yacht. After Sonic complies and is put into a bathysphere, Robotnik tells him that in order to prevent any of Sonic's friends from rescuing him, he'll sink the yacht.
23rd Sep '17 8:30:33 PM Vir
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** In "The Computer Wore Menace Shoes" Homer goes to the Springfield Police Department's homepage, and it asks him to choose whether or not he's committed a crime and wants to turn himself in. Picking "no" leads to the site assuming he committed a crime but is denying that he did it.

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** In "The Computer Wore Menace Shoes" Shoes", Homer goes to the Springfield Police Department's homepage, and it asks him to choose whether or not he's committed a crime and wants to turn himself in. Picking "no" leads to the site assuming he committed a crime but is denying that he did it.
22nd Sep '17 6:15:01 PM Sunflorazumarill
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* There's a well-known story that the Caliph Omar whose army sacked the Library of Alexandria said of its books that either they contradicted the Koran and thus were heretical and should be burned, or they agreed with the Koran and thus were superfluous and should be burned. Either way, they wound up on the bonfire. Though [[ArtisticLicenseHistory certainly false]], this legend can be traced back [[http://www.nybooks.com/articles/3517 at least]] to the 13th century.Its generally accepted to be a Christian fable, reissued in modern times as it suited the aims of Western Imperialist propaganda.

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* There's a well-known story that the Caliph Omar whose army sacked the Library of Alexandria said of its books that either they contradicted the Koran and thus were heretical and should be burned, or they agreed with the Koran and thus were superfluous and should be burned. Either way, they wound up on the bonfire. Though [[ArtisticLicenseHistory certainly false]], this legend can be traced back [[http://www.nybooks.com/articles/3517 at least]] to the 13th century.Its It's generally accepted to be a Christian fable, reissued in modern times as it suited the aims of Western Imperialist propaganda.
propaganda.
22nd Sep '17 8:21:28 AM TFSyndicate
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* ''TheDrewCareyShow'': [[PointyHairedBoss Mr. Wick]] pulled this off in one episode. [[https://youtu.be/HWl7Hzks5V8?t=6m8s "Johnson, pick a hand!"]] (They both said YOU'RE FIRED!)
15th Sep '17 10:21:48 AM DrSlide
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** Finish a Genocide Run, and [[spoiler:Chara will offer you a chance to destroy the universe. Regardless of your decision, they kill you and do it anyway.]]
12th Sep '17 5:24:00 PM Minni128
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* In ''Fanfic/Gensokyo20XX'', this is played with in two instances. To keep her safe, Yukari leaves Reimu behind but, as can be seen, the latter almost died of starvation and hypothermia, as lighting a fire to cook and keep warm with could have made smoke, which could have caused someone to take notice. The second instance, is where Ran wanted to take her to hospital but acknowledges that she could die on the way, as she was going to die from starvation, along with the fact that they could be captured and possibly killed for being a youkai with a human, in which case it would lead to death for any of them, so the former decides to TakeAThirdOption, which places Reimu under a hibernation spell.

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* In ''Fanfic/Gensokyo20XX'', this is played with in two instances. To keep her safe, Yukari leaves Reimu behind but, as can be seen, the latter almost died of starvation and hypothermia, as lighting a fire to cook and keep warm with could have made smoke, which smoke could have caused someone to take notice. notice (and cause someone to look into it). The second instance, is where Ran wanted to take her to hospital but acknowledges that she could die on the way, as she was going to die from starvation, along with the fact that they could be captured and possibly killed for being a youkai with a human, in which case it would lead to death for any of them, so the former decides to TakeAThirdOption, which places Reimu under a hibernation spell.
8th Sep '17 5:39:02 PM Kadorhal
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* Happens a lot in battles where one side has combined arms and the other doesn't. For example at the Battle of Falkirk the Scottish support troops were driven off early in the fighting. This gave the spearmen, the bulk of the Scottish force, the choice of remaining in tight formation and being shot to pieces by the Welsh archers; or scattering and being ridden down by the English cavalry.

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* Happens a lot in battles where one side has combined arms and the other doesn't. For example example, at the Battle of Falkirk Falkirk, the Scottish support troops were driven off early in the fighting. This gave the spearmen, the bulk of the Scottish force, the choice of remaining in tight formation and being shot to pieces by the Welsh archers; archers, or scattering and being ridden down by the English cavalry.



* This trope is a major reason why electoral reform in the UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem is such a frustratingly complicated issue to tackle. One of the strongest arguments against the proposed abolition of the Electoral College is that such a system would give a disproportionate amount of voting power to the most populous states in the Union, while rendering votes in smaller states effectively worthless, and implicitly encouraging Presidential candidates to ignore states with populations too small to affect election results. But one of the strongest arguments ''for'' abolishing the Electoral College is that most of those flaws are already present under the current system: so-called "swing states" (like Ohio and Florida) already have a highly disproportionate amount of voting power, while a huge portion of votes in solidly Democratic or Republican states are already effectively worthless, and candidates are already implicitly encouraged to ignore states that they have no realistic chance of winning; because of the realities of the "winner-take-all" system, ''all'' of a state's electoral votes go to the candidate with the majority of popular votes (no matter how slim their majority is), while votes for the opposing candidate are not factored into the count of electoral votes at all, and many states with solid track records of voting Democratic or Republican are virtually guaranteed to go to that party's nominee. The electoral college has also been criticized for every instance of an electoral split having the Democrat take the popular vote and the Republican win the presidency (where the Republican narrowly took the swing states but the Democrat won landslides in states like California and New York, while the red states were either won very closely or were too small to make a difference). In a nutshell: whether the United States chooses its Presidents through electoral vote or popular vote, some states will always hold more power than others, and some votes will have minimal effect on the overall results.
* A common critcism of 24 hour news networks: The prize of any news network is to get the story first to air. While breaking news is a big ratings draw, it may be a few hours between knowing something is happening and knowing what is happening. In this time, the news has to rely on what eyewitness and unnamed sources close to the story to get something to air, all of which can be unreliable due to being a partial part of the story or the source wanting his or her 15 minutes of fame, which can shape the story into something it is not in the public mindset. The resulting fork becomes get it to air first, and correct later or get it right first, but hold the story. The former will have the public cry foul of news bias for trying to fit the story to a narrative. The latter will have the public cry foul of news biased because you weren't interested in the story at the time it happened..

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* This trope is a major reason why electoral reform in the UsefulNotes/AmericanPoliticalSystem is such a frustratingly complicated issue to tackle. One of the strongest arguments against the proposed abolition of the Electoral College is that such a system would give a disproportionate amount of voting power to the most populous states in the Union, while rendering votes in smaller states effectively worthless, and implicitly encouraging Presidential candidates to ignore states with populations too small to affect election results. But one of the strongest arguments ''for'' abolishing the Electoral College is that most of those flaws are already present under the current system: so-called "swing states" (like Ohio and Florida) already have a highly disproportionate amount of voting power, while a huge portion of votes in solidly Democratic or Republican states are already effectively worthless, and candidates are already implicitly encouraged to ignore states that they have no realistic chance of winning; because of the realities of the "winner-take-all" system, ''all'' of a state's electoral votes go to the candidate with the majority of popular votes (no matter how slim their majority is), while votes for the opposing candidate are not factored into the count of electoral votes at all, and many states with solid track records of voting Democratic or Republican are virtually guaranteed to go to that party's nominee. The electoral college has also been criticized for every instance of an electoral split having the Democrat take the popular vote and the Republican win the presidency (where the Republican narrowly took the swing states but the Democrat won landslides in states like California and New York, while the red states were either won very closely or were too small to make a difference). In a nutshell: whether the United States chooses its Presidents through electoral vote or popular vote, some states will always hold more power than others, and some votes will have minimal or even negligible effect on the overall results.
* A common critcism of 24 hour news networks: The prize of any news network is to get the story first to air. While breaking news is a big ratings draw, it may be a few hours between knowing something is happening and knowing what ''what'' is happening. In this time, the news has to rely on what eyewitness and unnamed sources close to the story to get something to air, all of which can be unreliable due to being a partial part of the story or the source wanting his or her 15 minutes of fame, which can shape the story into something it is not in the public mindset. The resulting fork becomes get it to air first, first and correct later later, or get it right first, first but hold the story. The former will have the public cry foul of news bias for trying to fit the story to a narrative. The latter will have the public cry foul of news biased bias because you weren't interested in the story at the time until after it happened..was over.
8th Sep '17 5:29:24 PM Kadorhal
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* This trope is how the term "white elephant" came into being: According to legend, the King of [[UsefulNotes/{{Thailand}} Siam]] would give an obnoxious courtier with a titular white elephant as a punishment. Since white elephants were (and are) considered sacred and symbols of royalty, the courtier could not use them in a practical use. For the same reason, the courtier could not return it or give it away. Hence, their only option would be keep the animal and drain their resources.

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* This trope is how the term "white elephant" came into being: According to legend, the King of [[UsefulNotes/{{Thailand}} Siam]] would give an obnoxious courtier with a titular white elephant as a punishment. Since white elephants were (and are) considered sacred and symbols of royalty, the courtier could not use them in a practical use. For the same reason, the courtier could not return it or give it away. Hence, their only option would be keep the animal and as a drain on their resources.



* Donald Trump is facing this problem with the DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) program. One side argues that the DACA is illegal because it wasn't within Barrack Obama's constitutional authority to create it, but because it has already been in place for years, if Donald Trump ends the DACA then many illegal immigrants that came to the United States as children would lose their protection from being deported. No matter what Donald Trump does he is going to make a lot of people angry, and several states have threated to sue if the program is not ended. He chose to phase the DACA out in six months to give congress time to pass a legal version of the DACA, but he still is getting criticized for this, especially since congress was not able to pass a legal version of the DACA during Obama's presidency, so there is not much hope that congress will be able to do it in six months.

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* Donald Trump UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump is facing this problem with the DACA (Deferred Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) Arrivals program. One side argues that the DACA is illegal because it wasn't within Barrack Barack Obama's constitutional authority to create it, but it. The other argues that, because it has already been in place for years, if Donald Trump ends the DACA DACA, then many illegal immigrants that came to the United States as children would lose their protection from being deported. No matter what Donald Trump does does, he is going to make a lot of people angry, and several states have threated to sue if the program is not ended. He chose He's chosen to phase give six months' warning before phasing the DACA out in six months out, to give congress Congress time to pass a legal version of the DACA, but he it. However, he's still is getting criticized for this, especially primarily because, since congress Congress was not able to pass a legal version of the DACA during act in all eight years of Obama's presidency, so there is there's not much hope that congress will be able to they can do it in just six months.month.
6th Sep '17 6:55:27 AM Euodiachloris
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** Ned Stark (and his whole family) was always going to get screwed by the start of a civil war, whatever move he made: too many other parties were wanting to spark one off, and he was a handy trigger on legs. Had he tried to turn Robert's offer down to stay North, Robert would have been faced with a rebellion in Court if he didn't try to take "the traitor in the North" down a few pegs. Yet, leaving the North to do the King's bidding ''still'' wound up making "traitors" out of the Starks. And, had Catelyn stayed behind with Bran and Rickon with convincing excuses, war would still have found her, with the others likely dead.

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** Ned Stark (and his whole family) was always going to get screwed by the start of a civil war, whatever move he made: too many other parties were wanting to spark one off, and he was a handy trigger on legs. Had he tried to turn Robert's offer down to stay North, Robert would have been faced with a rebellion in Court if he didn't try to take "the traitor in the North" down a few pegs. Yet, leaving the North to do the King's bidding ''still'' wound up making "traitors" out of the Starks. And, had Catelyn stayed behind with Bran and Rickon with convincing excuses, war would still have found her, with the others very likely dead.dead, captured and/or married in unions disadvantageous to House Stark.
6th Sep '17 6:41:39 AM Euodiachloris
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** Ned Stark (and his whole family) was always going to get screwed by the start of a civil war, whatever move he made: too many other parties were wanting to spark one off, and he was a handy trigger on legs. Had he tried to turn Robert's offer down to stay North, Robert would have been faced with a rebellion in Court if he didn't try to take "the traitor in the North" down a few pegs. Yet, leaving the North to do King's bidding ''still'' wound up making "traitors" out of the Starks...

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** Ned Stark (and his whole family) was always going to get screwed by the start of a civil war, whatever move he made: too many other parties were wanting to spark one off, and he was a handy trigger on legs. Had he tried to turn Robert's offer down to stay North, Robert would have been faced with a rebellion in Court if he didn't try to take "the traitor in the North" down a few pegs. Yet, leaving the North to do the King's bidding ''still'' wound up making "traitors" out of the Starks...Starks. And, had Catelyn stayed behind with Bran and Rickon with convincing excuses, war would still have found her, with the others likely dead.
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