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12th Feb '16 12:07:25 AM Squirtle802
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* Anyone identifying as bisexual might feel a bit of this once they enter a relationship with someone. Dating someone of the opposite sex? You're straight and invading LGBT+ spaces. Dating someone of the same sex? You're gay and just won't admit it.
11th Feb '16 11:29:03 PM Squirtle802
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** Trans men face the same issue for similar reasons, though arguably to a lesser extent. As gender roles become more relaxed for women a trans man acting masculinely will inevitably be accused of just taking being a tomboy too seriously, but acting overtly feminine will be used as proof they're not actually men.
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** Trans men face the same issue for similar reasons, though arguably to a lesser extent. As gender roles become more relaxed for women a trans man acting masculinely will inevitably be accused of or seen as just taking being a tomboy too seriously, tomboy, but acting overtly feminine will be used as proof they're not actually men.
11th Feb '16 11:19:51 PM Squirtle802
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** Trans men face the same issue for similar reasons, though arguably to a lesser extent. As gender roles become more relaxed for women a trans man acting masculinely will inevitably be accused of just taking being a tomboy too seriously, but acting overtly feminine will be used as proof they're not actually men. ** Considering the trans communities biggest opponents are the old-school bigots on the right '''and''' the radical edges on the left, pretty much anything a trans person does will be used to justify the hatred on at least one side.
10th Feb '16 7:52:35 PM MyFinalEdits
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* In WingCommanderIVThePriceOfFreedom, there is a point where Admiral Tolwyn is captured by your marines and you have the choice to release him or hold him as a prisoner of war. This turns out to be meaningless since he'll get released no matter which choice you pick.
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* In WingCommanderIVThePriceOfFreedom, ''VideoGame/WingCommanderIVThePriceOfFreedom'', there is a point where Admiral Tolwyn is captured by your marines and you have the choice to release him or hold him as a prisoner of war. This turns out to be meaningless since he'll get released no matter which choice you pick.
10th Feb '16 6:04:41 PM Ohio9
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* In WingCommanderIVThePriceOfFreedom, there is a point where Admiral Tolwyn is captured by your marines and you have the choice to release him or hold him as a prisoner of war. This turns out to be meaningless since he'll get released no matter which choice you pick.
10th Feb '16 3:23:51 PM DaibhidC
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* In ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'': ** Several religions in Ankh-Morpork practice human sacrifice, although the laws of the city hold that they can only sacrifice volunteers or those guilty of crimes against the religion. Such as refusing to volunteer.
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* Literature/{{Discworld}} * In ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'': ** Several ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'' several religions in Ankh-Morpork practice human sacrifice, although the laws of the city hold that they can only sacrifice volunteers or those guilty of crimes against the religion. Such as refusing to volunteer.
10th Feb '16 9:20:00 AM Tyrathius
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* ''LIterature/TheDresdenFiles: Literature/SummerKnight'': Harry is forced into a deal with the Faerie Queen Mab, where he must complete three favors for her to settle a debt. However, the terms of the arrangement dictate he gets to choose which three favors, and if he declines to do something, she can't attempt to coerce him into doing it by hurting him or people he cares about. They both agree, and Mab asks for her first favor. Harry declines it. She immediately attacks him with magic, mostly just to show that she still can. [[ExactWords She only agreed not to hurt him because he declined the favor. Hurting him for other reasons, such as spite, is still perfectly valid.]]
5th Feb '16 3:35:56 PM Freshmeat
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None of these are examples of a Mortons Fork
* ''Series/DoctorWho'': An attempt at self-preservation in "The Eleventh Hour": --> '''Doctor''' ''(to the monster)'': Her and me, we're safe. Want to know why? She sent for backup. --> '''Amy''' ''(to the Doctor)'': I didn't send for backup! --> '''Doctor''': I know, that was a clever lie to save our lives. ''(To the monster)'' OK, yeah, ''no'' backup! And that's why we're safe. Alone, we're not a threat to you. If we ''had'' back-up, then you'd have to kill us!

* The only strategy possible in Tic Tac Toe beyond "hope your opponent is an idiot". That or "[[Film/WarGames Not to play]]."

* Have much-needed social reforms overcorrected in some areas but undercorrected in others? Bad news: whichever way you go from there it will take a miracle to keep the shouting from drowning out the thinking.
5th Feb '16 3:27:47 PM Freshmeat
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These examples just describe two possible interpretations of reality, only one of which is true. They aren't examples of a Mortons Fork since there is no choice involved. Either one or the other is true.
* Ebay banned the practice of selling souls on its service with this line of reasoning: If souls don't exist, then there would be nothing to buy. If souls do exist, then it would break their "no selling human parts or remains" policy.

* If you want an example that isn't inflammatory to max, 'evolution hoaxes' as presented by many Young Earth and Old Earth Creationists. Either the scientific community has accepted known hoaxes and is basing their research on disproven bunk or there's a dedicated community of politically influential people deliberately spreading misinformation about the scientific process for their own ends. Both answers leave you somewhat apprehensive about the state of things.

* Any episode of ''[[Series/TheJerrySpringerShow The Steve Wilkos Show]]'' where a mother of a child is accusing the child's own father of being an abuser and/or molester. Either the father really is guilty of what he's being accused of, or the mother fabricated the whole thing to ruin his life, not caring who else gets hurt along the way (and very often forcing the child to lie to substantiate her story). For the poor kid, this is a lose-lose scenario where the father or the mother ends up being a monster.
5th Feb '16 1:37:15 AM Freshmeat
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* Cú Chulainn of Myth/CelticMythology is done in when a savvy old woman puts him on Morton's Fork. Having entered her abode, she offers him dinner: dog-meat stew. If he partakes, he'll break a ban on eating a dog, but if he refuses, he'll break SacredHospitality. Either way, he will break a ''geis'' placed upon him, the breaking of which will strip his power and mean his doom.

* Cuchulain in Myth/{{Irish myth|ology}} was under a {{geas}} whereby he would lose his strength if he refused [[SacredHospitality hospitality]] or consumed dogflesh. [[WeaksauceWeakness His enemies learned this and promptly invited him to dine on dogflesh, meaning he'd lose his powers either way.]]
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* Cuchulain Cú Chulainn in Myth/{{Irish myth|ology}} was under a {{geas}} whereby he would lose his strength if he refused [[SacredHospitality hospitality]] or consumed dogflesh. [[WeaksauceWeakness His enemies learned this and promptly invited him to dine on dogflesh, meaning he'd lose his powers either way.]]

** {For a male target} "Are you a lesbian trapped inside a man's body?" If he says yes, he is transgender; if no, he doesn't like girls (i.e. is gay). ** "Would you suck my cock if it was clean?" *** If "yes" then you're a cocksucker. *** If "no" then you're a dirty cocksucker.
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** {For (For a male target} target) "Are you a lesbian trapped inside a man's body?" If he says yes, he is transgender; if no, he doesn't like girls (i.e. is gay). ** "Would you suck my cock if it was clean?" *** clean?" If "yes" yes, then you're a cocksucker. *** 'cocksucker'. If "no" then no, you're a dirty cocksucker.'dirty cocksucker'. The way around this is to say "Sorry, I don't swing that way," "Are you hitting on me?" or "I didn't know you HAD a cock!"

* A classic example of a "loaded question" is "Have you stopped beating your wife?" If you say no, then you beat your wife. If you say yes, then you admit to having beaten your wife. [[spoiler: (The [[TakeAThirdOption third option]] is to say "I have ''never'' beaten my wife" or point out that is a loaded question)]] ** "[[KangarooCourt Objection, your honor! The defendant is dodging the question by committing perjury!]]"
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* A Some classic example examples of a "loaded question" is questions" are: ** "Have you stopped beating your wife?" If you say no, then you beat your wife. If you say yes, then you admit to having beaten your wife. [[spoiler: (The [[TakeAThirdOption third option]] is to say "I have ''never'' wife. ** "Do you fancy my sister?" If yes, you get beaten my wife" or point up for having designs on her and so dishonoring her. If no, you get beaten up for thinking there's something wrong with her. ** "Are you a [derogatory noun] in a cage?" If yes, it's admitting to be one. If not, then the response you get is "[Derogatory noun] on the loose!" * A common source of humor in fiction that involves a ComingOutStory, as that person's same-sex friends will be a bit weirded out and think maybe they're the subject of an unwanted crush. When they find out that is a loaded question)]] ** "[[KangarooCourt Objection, your honor! The defendant is dodging the question by committing perjury!]]"no, their friend isn't crushing on them, they immediately ask "Why not?!"

* The classic bully's question is "Do you fancy my sister?" If yes, you get beaten up for having designs on her and so dishonoring her. If no, you get beaten up for [[ArentYouGoingToRavishMe thinking there's something wrong with her]]. ** This is also a common source of humor in fiction that involves a ComingOutStory, as that person's same-sex friends will be a bit weirded out and think maybe they're the subject of an unwanted crush. When they find out that no, their friend isn't crushing on them, they immediately ask "[[ArentYouGoingToRavishMe Why not?!]]" ** A similar tactic used by bullies is to ask something like "Are you a [derogatory noun] in a cage?" If yes, it's admitting to be one. If not, then the response you get is "[Derogatory noun] on the loose!" ** Best response to any of the above is to either ignore it or acknowledge the fork with "Ha, very funny" but not answer. * "Would you suck my cock if it was clean?" If you answer "Yes," then you're a 'cocksucker.' If you answer "No," you're a 'dirty cocksucker." the way around this is to say "Sorry, I don't swing that way," "Are you hitting on me?" or "I didn't know you HAD a cock!" * "Are you a homo?" If you answer "No," then you're 'not a homosapean' while if you answer "Yes," then you're a 'homosexual.' To get around this, answer "I am as much of a homo as you are" or "are you hitting on me?" Give a similar answer to the question: "Are you gay?"
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