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7th Sep '17 8:48:22 AM CosmicFerret
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* Gorilla Grodd uses this in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', using his psychic powers to exacerbate the heroes' latent distrust and jealousy to split them up. When TheFlash takes this as an excuse to say none of them meant any of it, ComicBook/MartianManhunter corrects him - they meant every word, even if they wouldn't normally have said it out loud. It also has the side effect of making John / GL [[WillTheyOrWontThey blurt out that he'd give his life for Shayera.]]

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* Gorilla Grodd uses this in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', using his psychic powers to exacerbate the heroes' latent distrust and jealousy to split them up. When TheFlash ComicBook/TheFlash takes this as an excuse to say none of them meant any of it, ComicBook/MartianManhunter corrects him - they meant every word, even if they wouldn't normally have said it out loud. It also has the side effect of making John / GL [[WillTheyOrWontThey blurt out that he'd give his life for Shayera.]]
2nd Sep '17 12:45:31 PM Fivepence
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* ''Anime/MagicalProjectS'': This the case for Misao Amano; initially her other personality was believed to be caused by brainwashing. It was later revealed that while she had no memories of what she had done, her evil side was just her repressed personality.

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* ''Anime/MagicalProjectS'': This the case for Misao Amano; initially her other personality was believed to be caused solely by brainwashing. It was later revealed that while she had no memories of what she had done, her evil side was just her repressed personality.
26th Aug '17 9:28:34 AM TheTeaMustFlow
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** Attempted by [[FallenAngel Lasciel]] who tries to make Harry do a DealWithTheDevil. [[spoiler:It backfires, he successfully resists her out of ''sheer spite and stubbornness'' once his friends help him realize that he was talking to a mental illusion. Lasciel is so impressed by his resolve that eventually she starts helping him, finally sacrificing herself to save his life.]]

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** Attempted by [[FallenAngel Lasciel]] Lash]] who tries to make Harry do a DealWithTheDevil. [[spoiler:It backfires, he successfully resists her out of ''sheer spite and stubbornness'' once his friends help him realize that he was talking to a mental illusion. Lasciel Lash is so impressed by his resolve that eventually she starts helping him, finally sacrificing herself to save his life.]]
23rd Aug '17 7:38:03 PM PaulA
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* In ''[[Literature/TheHalfbloodChronicles Elvenborn]]'', this is Aelmarkin's favorite pasttime. He picks his favorite concubine, deliberately picked to be easily duped and manipulated, and tricks them into believing that he is eternally kind, loving, and right... and then uses that belief to deliberately destroy their self-esteem and mental faculties, until they're anorexic-bulimics starving and purging themselves in a desperate attempt to be 'beautiful' even as he pretends to be concerned for their well-being and asking them to eat more. If he's feeling particularly generous, when they're near death he'll memory-wipe them and have them retrained as normal concubines again.

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* In ''[[Literature/TheHalfbloodChronicles Elvenborn]]'', ''Literature/{{Elvenborn}}'', this is Aelmarkin's favorite pasttime. He picks his favorite concubine, deliberately picked to be easily duped and manipulated, and tricks them into believing that he is eternally kind, loving, and right... and then uses that belief to deliberately destroy their self-esteem and mental faculties, until they're anorexic-bulimics starving and purging themselves in a desperate attempt to be 'beautiful' even as he pretends to be concerned for their well-being and asking them to eat more. If he's feeling particularly generous, when they're near death he'll memory-wipe them and have them retrained as normal concubines again.
23rd Aug '17 8:29:26 AM gophergiggles
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** This was Starlight Glimmer's entire modus operandi, as her cutie mark removal spell only dampened their special talents and some facets of their personality. She had an entire village acting in unison, all with UncannyValley grins on their faces, purely by convincing them it was best for them, some intimidation, and some rather brutal ''real life and mundane'' brainwashing tactics.
2nd Aug '17 5:51:15 PM nombretomado
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What makes this "more than mind control" rather than simple [[ManipulativeBastard manipulation]] is that this can still be ''assisted'' by magic or technology. [[TheDarkSide Magic forces may be at work]], but it's really the despair, trickery, lies, and sometimes even [[ExactWords carefully-selected]] [[MetaphoricallyTrue truths]], that are thrown in that successfully break the victim's spirit. Instead of the villain forcing a victim to do something against their will, the villain ''changes'' the victim's will. It's DealWithTheDevil [[XMeetsY meets]] BreakThemByTalking. This can even be justified depending on the setting; a very common limitation on mind control across many different works (for example ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'') is that the would-be-controller simply cannot induce an idea or a command into the victim that is either completely alien to their mind or goes against their base instincts. Much like a body's immune system will fight against a virus or a bacteria, the mind in-question will recognize the thought as a foreign object and will resist or even completely reject it.

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What makes this "more than mind control" rather than simple [[ManipulativeBastard manipulation]] is that this can still be ''assisted'' by magic or technology. [[TheDarkSide Magic forces may be at work]], but it's really the despair, trickery, lies, and sometimes even [[ExactWords carefully-selected]] [[MetaphoricallyTrue truths]], that are thrown in that successfully break the victim's spirit. Instead of the villain forcing a victim to do something against their will, the villain ''changes'' the victim's will. It's DealWithTheDevil [[XMeetsY [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets]] BreakThemByTalking. This can even be justified depending on the setting; a very common limitation on mind control across many different works (for example ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'') is that the would-be-controller simply cannot induce an idea or a command into the victim that is either completely alien to their mind or goes against their base instincts. Much like a body's immune system will fight against a virus or a bacteria, the mind in-question will recognize the thought as a foreign object and will resist or even completely reject it.
29th Jul '17 5:01:31 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* In ''FanFic/{{Forward}}'' this is how [[EmotionBomb Inducers]] work; they take emotions, impulses people already have and build on them. One that has a particular importance to the plot (Inducer One-One-Nine aka [[spoiler: [[EnfanteTerrible Katie]]]] out right says [[spoiler: she]] can't make anyone do anything they don't have some ability or desire to, even if it's deep down inside. It just makes the MindRape Inducer One-One-Nine does even more horrifying.
27th Jul '17 12:42:13 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' this is how Curse Slots work; they agitate hidden emotions and memories, using them to manipulate the one marked with it. [[spoiler: This puts the fact Guy has been attacking Luke, and only Luke, when the Curse Slot is active in a very dark light. It ultimately turns out he originally came to the Fabre Manor for a RevengeByProxy plan and does, still deep inside, bear the grudge against the Fabre House that makes him want to kill Luke. That said, he's [[TookALevelInKindness changed]] since then and his [[HeterosexualLifePartners friendship]] with Luke is genuine now.]]
23rd Jul '17 2:48:31 AM Piterpicher
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* In ''[[TheHalfbloodChronicles Elvenborn]]'', this is Aelmarkin's favorite pasttime. He picks his favorite concubine, deliberately picked to be easily duped and manipulated, and tricks them into believing that he is eternally kind, loving, and right... and then uses that belief to deliberately destroy their self-esteem and mental faculties, until they're anorexic-bulimics starving and purging themselves in a desperate attempt to be 'beautiful' even as he pretends to be concerned for their well-being and asking them to eat more. If he's feeling particularly generous, when they're near death he'll memory-wipe them and have them retrained as normal concubines again.

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* In ''[[TheHalfbloodChronicles ''[[Literature/TheHalfbloodChronicles Elvenborn]]'', this is Aelmarkin's favorite pasttime. He picks his favorite concubine, deliberately picked to be easily duped and manipulated, and tricks them into believing that he is eternally kind, loving, and right... and then uses that belief to deliberately destroy their self-esteem and mental faculties, until they're anorexic-bulimics starving and purging themselves in a desperate attempt to be 'beautiful' even as he pretends to be concerned for their well-being and asking them to eat more. If he's feeling particularly generous, when they're near death he'll memory-wipe them and have them retrained as normal concubines again.
16th Jul '17 5:50:44 PM lalalei2001
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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhTheMoviePyramidOfLight'', Kaiba isn't outright possessed by Anubis, but he is nudged into following his orders by thinking they're his own thoughts.
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