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19th Nov '16 6:29:14 AM MicoolTNT
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* White Supremacist groups (such as the Klu Klux Klan) genuinely believe that white christians are the only real humans, and they feel that they're doing the world a service by preaching this belief.
* Some people believe that it's genuinely possible to CureYourGays. This is despite the fact that most forms of conversion therapy only serves to traumatize gay people.
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16th Nov '16 7:07:00 PM Az_Tech341
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* White Supremacist groups (such as the Klu Klux Klan) genuinely believe that white christians are the only real humans, and they feel that they're doing the world a service by preaching this belief. Of course, anyone who's even somewhat normal knows they're completely full of it.
* Some people believe that it's genuinely possible to CureYourGays. This is despite the fact that most forms of conversion therapy only serves to traumatize gay people. On top of that, let's face it, the only ones truly "cured" are more than likely bisexual or pansexual anyways.

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* White Supremacist groups (such as the Klu Klux Klan) genuinely believe that white christians are the only real humans, and they feel that they're doing the world a service by preaching this belief. Of course, anyone who's even somewhat normal knows they're completely full of it.
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* Some people believe that it's genuinely possible to CureYourGays. This is despite the fact that most forms of conversion therapy only serves to traumatize gay people. On top of that, let's face it, the only ones truly "cured" are more than likely bisexual or pansexual anyways.
16th Nov '16 1:11:01 AM Kytseo
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* White Supremacist groups (such as the Klu Klux Klan) genuinely believe that white christians are the only real humans, and they feel that they're doing the world a service by preaching this belief. Of course, anyone who's even somewhat normal knows they're completely full of it.
* Some people believe that it's genuinely possible to CureYourGays. This is despite the fact that most forms of conversion therapy only serves to traumatize gay people. On top of that, let's face it, the only ones truly "cured" are more than likely bisexual or pansexual anyways.
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11th Nov '16 7:08:53 PM Willbyr
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* ''BlackButler'' shows most 'supernaturals' having code, that by definition is immoral for humans

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* ''BlackButler'' ''Manga/BlackButler'' shows most 'supernaturals' having code, that by definition is immoral for humans
8th Nov '16 7:02:47 PM thatother1dude
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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'': [[spoiler: Kyubey]] is [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation debatably]] this. The character views emotions as a mental disorder, and simply does not understand human morality. At the same time, [[spoiler: he's trying to prevent the heat death of the universe]]. What makes the character debatable is that [[spoiler: it's not clear if he [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believes his actions are for the greater good]], or if he is selfishly trying to preserve the lives of his race]].

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'': [[spoiler: Kyubey]] is [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation debatably]] this. The character views emotions as a mental disorder, and simply does not understand human morality. At the same time, [[spoiler: he's trying to prevent the heat death of the universe]]. What makes the character debatable is that [[spoiler: it's not clear if he [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believes his actions are for the greater good]], or if he is selfishly trying to preserve the lives of [[SpeciesLoyalty his race]].race]]]].
25th Oct '16 4:38:02 PM Bassball_Batman
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The psychologist Andrzej M. Łobaczewski described something somewhat similar to this as a "schizoidal psychopath"[[note]]Not to be confused with schizoid personality disorder, which is a completely unrelated personality disorder.[[/note]]—who may have a conscience, but it's so heavily distorted that his/her moral codes end up demented, and attitude toward society becomes that of a KnightTemplar.

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The psychologist Andrzej M. Łobaczewski described something somewhat similar to this as a "schizoidal psychopath"[[note]]Not to be confused with schizoid personality disorder, which is a completely unrelated personality disorder.[[/note]]—who may have a conscience, but it's so heavily distorted that his/her moral codes end up demented, demented; and whose attitude toward society becomes that of a KnightTemplar.
25th Oct '16 4:35:33 PM Bassball_Batman
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The psychologist Andrzej M. Łobaczewski described something somewhat similar to this as a "schizoidal psychopath"[[note]]Not to be confused with schizoid personality disorder, which is a completely unrelated personality disorder.[[/note]]—they may have a conscience, but it's so heavily distorted that their moral codes end up demented and their attitude toward society becomes that of a KnightTemplar.

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The psychologist Andrzej M. Łobaczewski described something somewhat similar to this as a "schizoidal psychopath"[[note]]Not to be confused with schizoid personality disorder, which is a completely unrelated personality disorder.[[/note]]—they [[/note]]—who may have a conscience, but it's so heavily distorted that their his/her moral codes end up demented demented, and their attitude toward society becomes that of a KnightTemplar.



This is not to be confused with {{Ubermensch}}. Moral sociopaths can have their own unique moral codes, but they are just as likely to adhere to already established things like Christianity and Communism.

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This is not to be confused with {{Ubermensch}}. Moral sociopaths can have their own unique moral codes, but they are just as likely to adhere to already established already-established things like Christianity and Communism.
25th Oct '16 4:17:58 PM Bassball_Batman
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While it is somewhat TruthInTelevision, sociopaths are still human, and it's not unnatural that sociopaths have a sense of right and wrong, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality even though it is completely different from what other people consider that to be]]. Many diagnosed sociopaths are known to have moral codes, usually [[{{Ubermensch}} unique to them]] but occasionally based on preexisting social codes as filtered through their particular perspective. Naturally, since these types of morality focus more on abstract concepts [[LackOfEmpathy rather than the people themselves]], expect some rather nasty [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans extremism]].

By definition, a sociopath is largely or totally incapable of guilt, compassion, empathy, or remorse -- thus, whenever they subscribe to a moral code, said code will either be reinterpreted or be amoral from the outset. They might feel "bad" about doing something they think is wrong, or that goes against their code, [[IgnoredEpiphany but they won't feel guilty and will shrug it off as just one of those things]], or [[IDidWhatIHadToDo justify what they did to themselves]] as being TheNeedsOfTheMany, no matter how much InsaneTrollLogic they have to employ to reach that conclusion. They can also like people without actually ''caring'' for them all that much.

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While it is somewhat TruthInTelevision, sociopaths are still human, and it's not unnatural that sociopaths have a sense of right and wrong, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality even though it is completely different from what other people consider that to be]]. Many diagnosed sociopaths are known to have moral codes, usually [[{{Ubermensch}} unique to them]] them]], but occasionally based on preexisting social codes as filtered through their particular perspective. Naturally, since these types of morality focus more on abstract concepts [[LackOfEmpathy rather than the people themselves]], expect some rather nasty [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans extremism]].

By definition, a sociopath is sociopaths are largely or totally incapable of guilt, compassion, empathy, or remorse -- thus, whenever they subscribe to a moral code, said code will either be reinterpreted or be amoral from the outset. They might feel "bad" about doing something they think is wrong, or that goes against their code, [[IgnoredEpiphany but they won't feel guilty and will shrug it off as just one of those things]], or [[IDidWhatIHadToDo justify to themselves what they did to themselves]] did]] as being TheNeedsOfTheMany, no matter how much InsaneTrollLogic they have to employ to reach that conclusion. They can also like people without actually ''caring'' for them all that much.



* Elmer C. Albatross from ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}''. Despite his cheerful AllLovingHero demeanor and selfless behavior, he is [[LackOfEmpathy completely devoid of empathy and concern for others.]] He just does what he does because GoodFeelsGood.

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* Elmer C. Albatross from ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}''. Despite his cheerful AllLovingHero demeanor and selfless behavior, he is [[LackOfEmpathy completely devoid of empathy and concern for others.]] others]]. He just does what he does because GoodFeelsGood.
25th Oct '16 4:01:59 PM Bassball_Batman
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** On the other hand, he feels a deep kinship with [[LonersAreFreaks anyone who doesn who don't "fit" into society at large]]. That is, he tends to treat them like he does his brother Mycroft; constant needling in their day-to-day lives, mostly out of boredom. And he's an outright brutal ''bastard'' to anyone who preys upon them.

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** On the other hand, he feels a deep kinship with [[LonersAreFreaks anyone who doesn any of those who don't "fit" into society at large]]. That is, he tends to treat them like he does his brother Mycroft; constant needling in their day-to-day lives, mostly out of boredom. And he's an outright brutal ''bastard'' to anyone who preys upon them.
25th Oct '16 2:46:07 PM Bassball_Batman
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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': Perhaps the closest fit to describe the guiding philosophy of the Party and the mindset of the Inner Party members. The pursuit of power for it's own sake is seen as the highest good of humanity, and the surest path to more power is to [[AssimilationPlot unite and subsume one's own will into the will of the Party as a whole]] - and [[MindRape break the wills]] of those who don't quite get with the program.

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* ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': ''[[Literature/NineteenEightyFour 1984]]'': Perhaps the closest fit to describe the guiding philosophy of the Party and the mindset of the Inner Party members. The pursuit of power for it's own sake is seen as the highest good of humanity, and the surest path to more power is to [[AssimilationPlot unite and subsume one's own will into the will of the Party as a whole]] - and [[MindRape break the wills]] of those who don't quite get with the program.



* This is the whole point of ''Series/{{Dexter}}''. The title character is a psychopathic serial killer who had a moral code instilled in him by his foster father. While his code prevents him from killing innocents, its main purpose is to prevent him from getting caught.
* ''Series/{{House}}'', being heavily modeled on Holmes, also falls into this trope. He doesn't particularly care about the patients, or people in general, but he loves the puzzle. If he has a suicidal patient, he refuses to let them die until he finds out what's wrong with them. If they're terminal, then they can die. On the rare occasions that they die ''despite'' his actions, he can be pretty shaken up about it, which can be either remorse for them or despair at failing the puzzle. He expresses empathy at times, but again, it's ambiguous which one it is.
* Patrick Jane on ''Series/TheMentalist'' once ''pretended'' to have become an example of this trope. To trick a killer into a revealing admission, he pretended that an experimental device had switched off his conscience, and began threatening to shoot a group of suspects on the grounds that it was his job to identify criminals and they weren't cooperating.



* Series/{{House}}, being heavily modeled on Holmes, also falls into this trope. He doesn't particularly care about the patients, or people in general, but he loves the puzzle. If he has a suicidal patient, he refuses to let them die until he finds out what's wrong with them. If they're terminal, then they can die. On the rare occasions that they die ''despite'' his actions, he can be pretty shaken up about it, which can be either remorse for them or despair at failing the puzzle. He expresses empathy at times, but again, it's ambiguous which one it is.
* Patrick Jane on ''Series/TheMentalist'' once ''pretended'' to have become an example of this trope. To trick a killer into a revealing admission, he pretended that an experimental device had switched off his conscience, and began threatening to shoot a group of suspects on the grounds that it was his job to identify criminals and they weren't cooperating.
* This is the whole point of ''Series/{{Dexter}}''. The title character is a psychopathic serial killer who had a moral code instilled in him by his foster father. While his code prevents him from killing innocents, its main purpose is to prevent him from getting caught.



* Jade Curtiss in ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' is a [[SociopathicHero heroic]] version. He has no empathy whatsoever, but is troubled by this, and always tries to do the right thing even though his concept of right and wrong can be a little skewed. Far, far less so in his backstory, where he was a CreepyChild.
* [[VideoGame/BioShock2 Sofia Lamb]] is a curious case in that she probably did not begin as this, being originally driven by her altruistic goals (though arguably, she was enamored with the concept rather than the people themselves), but by the time of the game, she became a TotalitarianUtilitarian obsessed with removing individuality and curing humanity's genetic fatalism.

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* Jade Curtiss in ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' is a [[SociopathicHero heroic]] version. He has no empathy whatsoever, but is troubled by this, and always tries to do the right thing even though his concept of right and wrong can be a little skewed. Far, far less so in his backstory, where he was a CreepyChild.
* [[VideoGame/BioShock2
''VideoGame/BioShock2'': Sofia Lamb]] Lamb is a curious case in that she probably did not begin as this, being originally driven by her altruistic goals (though arguably, she was enamored with the concept rather than the people themselves), but by the time of the game, she became a TotalitarianUtilitarian obsessed with removing individuality and curing humanity's genetic fatalism.



* ''VideoGame/Persona4'''s resident Serial Killer, [[spoiler:Adachi]], evolves into this after his defeat. By ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' he's still a sociopathic asshole, but he's decided that he's going to pay for his crimes, and if he were to be released from prison because somebody else started killing people in the same manner, it would violate the rules he's decided for himself. He also slightly cares for [[spoiler:Yu and Doujima]], but [[{{Tsundere}} good luck getting him to admit that]].
* Racter from ''VideoGame/ShadowrunReturns: Hong Kong'' is a clinical sociopath, but learned from a young age that it was in his rational self-interest to pretend to adhere to 'normal' human morality even if he feels no emotional connection to it. He understands things such as friendships on an intellectual level, and will consider the PlayerCharacter one if you continue to engage him in interesting talks without blowing him off. He also has a near-religious interest in {{Transhumanism}} and therefore feels moral outrage, or the closest he can get to it, about people who jeopardise the future of the human race's evolution for personal gain, like two of his former research companions did when they stole his experimental drone data and sold it to [[MegaCorp ARES]] in return for employment.



* Racter from ''VideoGame/ShadowrunReturns: Hong Kong'' is a clinical sociopath, but learned from a young age that it was in his rational self-interest to pretend to adhere to 'normal' human morality even if he feels no emotional connection to it. He understands things such as friendships on an intellectual level, and will consider the PlayerCharacter one if you continue to engage him in interesting talks without blowing him off. He also has a near-religious interest in {{Transhumanism}} and therefore feels moral outrage, or the closest he can get to it, about people who jeopardise the future of the human race's evolution for personal gain, like two of his former research companions did when they stole his experimental drone data and sold it to [[MegaCorp ARES]] in return for employment.
* BigBad Maximilian from ValkyriaChronicles is a classic sociopath in many ways (shallow effect, relating to others only in terms of their worth to him, ItsAllAboutMe mentality) but possesses a very strong code of ethics that often makes him very sympathetic. He's one of the least racist people in a game where even the good guys display strong prejudice, abhors disloyalty, executes his own men for war crimes and rescued a young Selvaria from the laboratory where she had been imprisoned (mostly because he knew it would ensure her loyalty, but still).
* ''VideoGame/Persona4'''s resident Serial Killer, [[spoiler:Adachi]], evolves into this after his defeat. By ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' he's still a sociopathic asshole, but he's decided that he's going to pay for his crimes, and if he were to be released from prison because somebody else started killing people in the same manner, it would violate the rules he's decided for himself. He also slightly cares for [[spoiler:Yu and Doujima]], but [[{{Tsundere}} good luck getting him to admit that]].

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* Racter from ''VideoGame/ShadowrunReturns: Hong Kong'' Jade Curtiss in ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' is a clinical sociopath, [[SociopathicHero heroic]] version. He has no empathy whatsoever, but learned from is troubled by this, and always tries to do the right thing even though his concept of right and wrong can be a young age that it was little skewed. Far, far less so in his rational self-interest to pretend to adhere to 'normal' human morality even if backstory, where he feels no emotional connection to it. He understands things such as friendships on an intellectual level, and will consider the PlayerCharacter one if you continue to engage him in interesting talks without blowing him off. He also has was a near-religious interest in {{Transhumanism}} and therefore feels moral outrage, or the closest he can get to it, about people who jeopardise the future of the human race's evolution for personal gain, like two of his former research companions did when they stole his experimental drone data and sold it to [[MegaCorp ARES]] in return for employment.
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* BigBad Maximilian from ValkyriaChronicles ''ValkyriaChronicles'' is a classic sociopath in many ways (shallow effect, relating to others only in terms of their worth to him, ItsAllAboutMe mentality) but possesses a very strong code of ethics that often makes him very sympathetic. He's one of the least racist people in a game where even the good guys display strong prejudice, abhors disloyalty, executes his own men for war crimes and rescued a young Selvaria from the laboratory where she had been imprisoned (mostly because he knew it would ensure her loyalty, but still).
* ''VideoGame/Persona4'''s resident Serial Killer, [[spoiler:Adachi]], evolves into this after his defeat. By ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' he's still a sociopathic asshole, but he's decided that he's going to pay for his crimes, and if he were to be released from prison because somebody else started killing people in the same manner, it would violate the rules he's decided for himself. He also slightly cares for [[spoiler:Yu and Doujima]], but [[{{Tsundere}} good luck getting him to admit that]].
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* Priest Kirei Kotomine from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. His religious beliefs and personal circumstances make him state firmly that there's no sin in an unborn baby and everyone has the right to be born. He is willing to put his life on the line and sacrifice everything without blinking an eye to witness certain baby's birth. What makes it a case of BlueAndOrangeMorality is that he will literally sacrifice everything, including humanity, for "the baby" that is an [[OmnicidalManiac omnicidal]] SealedEvilInACan. [[spoiler:Of course, he turns out to be an actual [[TheSociopath sociopath]] trying desperately to ape normal morals, so it's a justified trope-he doesn't actually get why people would be a little more nuanced about this than he is.]]

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* Priest Kirei Kotomine from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. His religious beliefs and personal circumstances make him state firmly that there's no sin in an unborn baby and everyone has the right to be born. He is willing to put his life on the line and sacrifice everything without blinking an eye to witness certain baby's birth. What makes it a case of BlueAndOrangeMorality is that he will literally sacrifice everything, including humanity, for "the baby" that is an [[OmnicidalManiac omnicidal]] SealedEvilInACan. [[spoiler:Of course, he turns out to be an actual [[TheSociopath sociopath]] trying desperately to ape normal morals, so it's a justified trope-he doesn't actually get why people would be a little more nuanced about this than he is.]]is]].



* [[LightIsNotGood Kore]] from ''Webcomic/{{Goblins}}''. He does sincerely believe he is doing the right thing by mercilessly slaughtering everyone that has been in contact with "evil races", even children of his own species that were with said "evil races". His utter conviction that he is doing good is probably what allows him to keep his paladin powers. This is either due to a houserule that lets paladins be this without falling, or just Herbert the Gamemaster being out of it or [[KillerGameMaster sadistic.]] Or both.
** [[spoiler: Or not...considering Kore isn't even human (such as it is for dwarves)...or mortal, anymore.]]

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* [[LightIsNotGood Kore]] from ''Webcomic/{{Goblins}}''. He does sincerely believe he is doing the right thing by mercilessly slaughtering everyone that has been in contact with "evil races", races," even children of his own species that were with said "evil races". races." His utter conviction that he is doing good is probably what allows him to keep his paladin powers. This is either due to a houserule that lets paladins be this without falling, or just Herbert the Gamemaster being out of it or [[KillerGameMaster sadistic.]] sadistic]]. Or both.
** [[spoiler: Or not...considering Kore isn't even human (such as it is for dwarves)... or mortal, anymore.]]anymore]].



* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'': Temple Fugate, aka the Clock King--he was a productive member of society with his own efficiency company, but was also a BadBoss with NoSocialSkills and LackOfEmpathy who ends up becoming a villain. Fugate doesn't seem to realize why his LackOfEmpathy plays against him; In his introductory episode, he ''knows'' he will lose an important appeal for his company, but it's sincerely unaware why nobody seems to ''like'' him.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'': Temple Fugate, aka the Clock King--he was a productive member of society with his own efficiency company, but was also a BadBoss with NoSocialSkills and LackOfEmpathy who ends up becoming a villain. Fugate doesn't seem to realize why his LackOfEmpathy Lack of Empathy plays against him; In in his introductory episode, he ''knows'' he will lose an important appeal for his company, but it's is sincerely unaware why nobody seems to ''like'' him.
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