History Main / MookMobile

16th Sep '17 5:15:53 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** This is a result of the fact that the Soviets fought the UsefulNotes/ColdWar by proxy, and the reason Soviet gear was always available in plenty was because, outside the Soviet military and a select few allies, it came in "Monkey Models", which were significantly downgraded -- for instance, the T-72 has early composite armor, but the T-72M had simple rolled steel (granted, as thick as the [[TankGoodness friggin' Maus]] in [[AttackItsWeakPoint some places]]). Combine that with subpar training, [[GeneralFailure tactical ineptitude]], supply problems, and often [[LensmanArmsRace Western gear being from a newer generation]], and, well... When your fancy tanks like the [[YanksWithTanks Abrams]] (1990s, 120 mm smoothbore main gun) face T-55s (1950s, 100 mm rifled main gun) with the occasional, similar-looking T-72 (1980s, 125 mm smoothbore, mostly assembled from spare parts by Iraqis), with undertrained and demoralized crews, suffering from constant [[DeathFromAbove aerial attacks]] and armed with training ammunition (mild steel rounds instead of tungsten or depleted uranium), [[CurbStompBattle the result is predictable]]. And this is called CombatPragmatism, not bad tanks.

to:

** This is a result of the fact that the Soviets fought the UsefulNotes/ColdWar by proxy, and the reason Soviet gear was always available in plenty was because, outside the Soviet military and a select few allies, it came in "Monkey Models", which were significantly downgraded -- for instance, the T-72 has early composite armor, but the T-72M had simple rolled steel (granted, as thick as the [[TankGoodness friggin' Maus]] in [[AttackItsWeakPoint some places]]). Combine that with subpar training, [[GeneralFailure tactical ineptitude]], supply problems, and often [[LensmanArmsRace Western gear being from a newer generation]], and, well... When your fancy tanks like the [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks Abrams]] (1990s, 120 mm smoothbore main gun) face T-55s (1950s, 100 mm rifled main gun) with the occasional, similar-looking T-72 (1980s, 125 mm smoothbore, mostly assembled from spare parts by Iraqis), with undertrained and demoralized crews, suffering from constant [[DeathFromAbove aerial attacks]] and armed with training ammunition (mild steel rounds instead of tungsten or depleted uranium), [[CurbStompBattle the result is predictable]]. And this is called CombatPragmatism, not bad tanks.
5th Sep '17 4:13:54 PM MBG
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The series elaborates on this, as seen in the page quote. The lack of shields, missiles, life support, hyperdrive, etc. makes Imperial TIE Fighters faster and more maneuverable than the Rebels/New Republics' X-Wings, and in a skilled pilot's hands even the humble TIE Fighter can be a lethal opponent. The problem for Imperial NewMeat is surviving that long, as one mistake with their craft is often fatal, while Rebel pilots' shields give them a much greater opportunity to survive and learn from their errors.

to:

** The series elaborates on this, as seen in the page quote. The lack of shields, missiles, life support, hyperdrive, etc. makes Imperial TIE Fighters faster and more maneuverable than the Rebels/New Republics' X-Wings, and in a skilled pilot's hands even the humble TIE Fighter can be a lethal opponent. The problem for Imperial NewMeat is surviving that long, as one mistake with their craft is often fatal, while Rebel pilots' shields give them a much greater opportunity to survive and learn from their errors. (Like many aspects of the TIE Fighter, this is based on the Japanese Zero - early in the war, it was in the hands of experienced pilots and a terror for American pilots, but its fragility meant that a few years into the war, most of the Zero aces had been killed, and new pilots had no room for error.)
30th Aug '17 10:14:05 AM MBG
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Perhaps the UrExample is the above mentioned [=TIE=] Fighter. Supposedly one of the "symbols of the Empire", the [=TIE Fighter=] is really only seen being successful during [[Film/ANewHope the first (er, fourth?) movie]], during the famous Death Star trench run. Other than that, it exists solely to inflate Rogue Squadron's kill count. Two simple lasers, no shields, no air, and leaving the pilot completely screwed in the face of real competition, the [=TIE=] Fighter is always seen in pushover swarms - the best you can say about it is that it's more maneuverable and faster in space than an X-Wing. The disparity was largely based on the Japanese Zero vs the American [=F4F=] and [=F6Fs=] which were less maneuverable but much better armored such that their pilot were more likely to survive repeated combat.

to:

** Perhaps the UrExample is the above mentioned [=TIE=] Fighter. Supposedly one of the "symbols of the Empire", the [=TIE Fighter=] is really only seen being successful during [[Film/ANewHope the first (er, fourth?) movie]], during the famous Death Star trench run. Other than that, it exists solely to inflate Rogue Squadron's kill count. Two simple lasers, no shields, no air, and leaving the pilot completely screwed in the face of real competition, the [=TIE=] Fighter is always seen in pushover swarms - the best you can say about it is that it's more maneuverable and faster in space than an X-Wing. The disparity was largely based on the Japanese Zero vs the American [=F4F=] and [=F6Fs=] which were less maneuverable but much better armored such that their pilot were more likely to survive repeated combat. Ironically, it's implied that it's based on the design of the Eta-2 Actis, a starfighter mostly used by Jedi and with similar characteristics (no armament aside from basic lasers, no shielding, minimal armor, high maneuverability and speed). As it turned out, the characteristics that made the TIE fighter so notoriously weak were the same ones that made the Actis successful; it being a FragileSpeedster didn't matter when its pilots were precognitive and could simply dodge everything.
16th Jul '17 10:54:10 AM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In books, films and accounts of WW2, the T34 is this trope, at least in German-sympathetic accounts. Many authors focus on Tiger and Panther tanks sweeping forward, knocking out T34's by the dozen. This is despite the fact that initially, the T34 tank outclassed anything the Germans could field. The T34 medium and its heavy partner the KV-1 were capable of turning the average 1941 panzer tank into Mook Mobiles. (There is an account of a single KV-1 knocking out THIRTY panzers in a single engagement). By 1944 the Germans had a far smaller number of better tanks which could turn a T34/76 unit into a scrapyard.

to:

* In books, films and accounts of WW2, [=WW2=], the T34 [=T34=] is this trope, at least in German-sympathetic accounts. Many authors focus on Tiger and Panther tanks sweeping forward, knocking out T34's [=T34=]'s by the dozen. This is despite the fact that initially, the T34 tank outclassed anything the Germans could field. The T34 [=T34=] medium and its heavy partner the KV-1 were capable of turning the average 1941 panzer tank into Mook Mobiles. (There is an account of a single KV-1 knocking out THIRTY panzers in a single engagement). By 1944 the Germans had a far smaller number of better tanks which could turn a T34/76 [=T34=]/76 unit into a scrapyard.
22nd Apr '17 2:58:44 AM Getta
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

Compare MechaMook.
6th Apr '17 9:08:27 AM Mhazard
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The name "Zaku" is also derived from the Japanese term "Zako" [[note]]雑魚, literally "inferior fish"[[/note]], in which the term means "[[MeaningfulName expendable grunts]]".

to:

** The name "Zaku" is also derived from the Japanese term "Zako" "[[MeaningfulName Zako]]" [[note]]雑魚, literally "inferior fish"[[/note]], in which the term means "[[MeaningfulName "[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin expendable grunts]]".
6th Apr '17 9:07:44 AM Mhazard
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** The name "Zaku" is also derived from the Japanese term "Zako" [[note]]雑魚, literally "inferior fish"[[/note]], in which the term means "[[MeaningfulName expendable grunts]]".
5th Mar '17 9:29:13 AM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Villain organizations in MarvelComics such as ComicBook/{{Hydra}}, AIM, and the Secret Empire all drive around on various hovercrafts, only to get shot down en masse by the heroes.

to:

* Villain organizations in MarvelComics Creator/MarvelComics such as ComicBook/{{Hydra}}, AIM, and the Secret Empire all drive around on various hovercrafts, only to get shot down en masse by the heroes.
4th Dec '16 1:18:18 PM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games have a few iconic bot's of their own, in addition to many of the anime examples listed above. Most notably the [[http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091120235207/superrobotwars/images/7/7a/Gespenst.gif Gespenst]] series. Mind you, in these games even a regular grunt unit can be pretty {{Badass}} in the right hands. Watch [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWBTwDa4Wy4 here]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB4SP1sqU7g here]] as [[BadassNormal Major Kai]] demonstrates why you don't need no fancy AceCustom to kick ass. The closest to the trope is probably the DC built Lions. While actually packing a decent edge when first deployed (they all have Tesla Drives which allow atmospheric flight, something the Gespenst standard variation lacks) they are only vaguely human shaped, more like fighter jets with stumpy limbs, and have only one gun and a few missiles, with light armor leaving them much easier to destroy than the EFA Gespenst's. As a result while initially threatening in large numbers they die in droves, with only extremely skilled aces managing to keep themselves alive, let alone do damage, all of whom are very quickly given better machines to make better use of their skills. Still due to their cheap and easy production every side and rebel faction has some, and they continue to appear in every game, though any pilot worth their salt would quickly pick something better.

to:

* The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games have a few iconic bot's of their own, in addition to many of the anime examples listed above. Most notably the [[http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091120235207/superrobotwars/images/7/7a/Gespenst.gif Gespenst]] series. Mind you, in these games even a regular grunt unit can be pretty {{Badass}} badass in the right hands. Watch [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWBTwDa4Wy4 here]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB4SP1sqU7g here]] as [[BadassNormal Major Kai]] demonstrates why you don't need no fancy AceCustom to kick ass. The closest to the trope is probably the DC built Lions. While actually packing a decent edge when first deployed (they all have Tesla Drives which allow atmospheric flight, something the Gespenst standard variation lacks) they are only vaguely human shaped, more like fighter jets with stumpy limbs, and have only one gun and a few missiles, with light armor leaving them much easier to destroy than the EFA Gespenst's. As a result while initially threatening in large numbers they die in droves, with only extremely skilled aces managing to keep themselves alive, let alone do damage, all of whom are very quickly given better machines to make better use of their skills. Still due to their cheap and easy production every side and rebel faction has some, and they continue to appear in every game, though any pilot worth their salt would quickly pick something better.
31st Oct '16 3:59:58 AM StFan
Is there an issue? Send a Message


In contrast to the AceCustom and SuperPrototype, the Mookmobile is the standard craft designated for Mooks to drive around and get blown up in. May be equipped with basic armaments and little in terms of protection. The hero or heroes may talk them up for dramatic purposes, but when engaged in actual combat, the Mook Mobiles die like flies. People may wonder if they're made out of cardboard and intentionally designed to kill the occupant inside without damage to the hero. But at least they're cheap to make!

to:

In contrast to the AceCustom and SuperPrototype, the Mookmobile Mook Mobile is the standard craft designated for Mooks to drive around and get blown up in. May be equipped with basic armaments and little in terms of protection. The hero or heroes may talk them up for dramatic purposes, but when engaged in actual combat, the Mook Mobiles die like flies. People may wonder if they're made out of cardboard and intentionally designed to kill the occupant inside without damage to the hero. But at least they're cheap to make!



* Goa'uld death gliders in the Franchise/StargateVerse. In the [[Film/{{Stargate}} movie]] and the first half of ''Series/StargateSG1'', they subverted the trope in that they were a serious threat to ground-bound SG teams (never mind bystanders), against which the only defense (other than running away) was a shoulder-fired missile or grenade launcher (not exactly something they carry around at all times). Once it entered service, the Tau'ri F-302 quickly proved itself far superior to the glider, which was built in line with [[AwesomeButImpractical the typical Goa'uld design philosophy]].

to:

* Goa'uld death gliders in the Franchise/StargateVerse. In the [[Film/{{Stargate}} movie]] and the first half of ''Series/StargateSG1'', they subverted subvert the trope in that they were are a serious threat to ground-bound SG teams (never mind bystanders), against which the only defense (other than running away) was is a shoulder-fired missile or grenade launcher (not exactly something they carry around at all times). Once it entered enters service, the Tau'ri F-302 quickly proved proves itself far superior to the glider, which was is built in line with [[AwesomeButImpractical the typical Goa'uld design philosophy]].



* In ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime,'' the Vehicons are ''both'' Mooks and Mook Mobiles.

to:

* In ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime,'' the ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime,'':
** The
Vehicons are ''both'' Mooks and Mook Mobiles.



** If it's set in the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, expect Russian [=MiGs=] to exhibit the flying and combat qualities of a poorly-thrown brick. Yes, ''even in documentaries'', although it was {{Averted}} on History Channel's Dogfights series. You'll frequently see the same thing happen to their tanks.
** This is a result of the fact that the Soviets fought the UsefulNotes/ColdWar by proxy, and the reason Soviet gear was always available in plenty was because, outside the Soviet military and a select few allies, it came in "Monkey Models", which were significantly downgraded - for instance, the T-72 has early composite armor, but the T-72M had simple rolled steel (granted, as thick as the [[TankGoodness friggin' Maus]] in [[AttackItsWeakPoint some places]]). Combine that with subpar training, [[GeneralFailure tactical ineptitude]], supply problems, and often [[LensmanArmsRace Western gear being from a newer generation]], and, well... When your fancy tanks like the [[YanksWithTanks Abrams]] (1990s, 120 mm smoothbore main gun) face T-55s (1950s, 100 mm rifled main gun) with the occasional, similar-looking T-72 (1980s, 125 mm smoothbore, mostly assembled from spare parts by Iraqis), with undertrained and demoralized crews, suffering from constant [[DeathFromAbove aerial attacks]] and armed with training ammunition (mild steel rounds instead of tungsten or depleted uranium), [[CurbStompBattle the result is predictable]]. And this is called CombatPragmatism, not bad tanks.
* In books, films and accounts of WW2, the T34 is this trope, at least in German-sympathetic accounts. Many authors focus on Tiger and Panther tanks sweeping forward, knocking out T34's by the dozen. This is despite the fact that initially, the T34 tank outclassed anything the Germans could field. The T34 medium and its heavy partner the KV-1 were capable of turning the average 1941 panzer tank into Mookmobiles. (There is an account of a single KV-1 knocking out THIRTY panzers in a single engagement). By 1944 the Germans had a far smaller number of better tanks which could turn a T34/76 unit into a scrapyard.

to:

** If it's set in the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, expect Russian [=MiGs=] to exhibit the flying and combat qualities of a poorly-thrown brick. Yes, ''even in documentaries'', although it was {{Averted}} on History Channel's Dogfights ''Dogfights'' series. You'll frequently see the same thing happen to their tanks.
** This is a result of the fact that the Soviets fought the UsefulNotes/ColdWar by proxy, and the reason Soviet gear was always available in plenty was because, outside the Soviet military and a select few allies, it came in "Monkey Models", which were significantly downgraded - -- for instance, the T-72 has early composite armor, but the T-72M had simple rolled steel (granted, as thick as the [[TankGoodness friggin' Maus]] in [[AttackItsWeakPoint some places]]). Combine that with subpar training, [[GeneralFailure tactical ineptitude]], supply problems, and often [[LensmanArmsRace Western gear being from a newer generation]], and, well... When your fancy tanks like the [[YanksWithTanks Abrams]] (1990s, 120 mm smoothbore main gun) face T-55s (1950s, 100 mm rifled main gun) with the occasional, similar-looking T-72 (1980s, 125 mm smoothbore, mostly assembled from spare parts by Iraqis), with undertrained and demoralized crews, suffering from constant [[DeathFromAbove aerial attacks]] and armed with training ammunition (mild steel rounds instead of tungsten or depleted uranium), [[CurbStompBattle the result is predictable]]. And this is called CombatPragmatism, not bad tanks.
* In books, films and accounts of WW2, the T34 is this trope, at least in German-sympathetic accounts. Many authors focus on Tiger and Panther tanks sweeping forward, knocking out T34's by the dozen. This is despite the fact that initially, the T34 tank outclassed anything the Germans could field. The T34 medium and its heavy partner the KV-1 were capable of turning the average 1941 panzer tank into Mookmobiles.Mook Mobiles. (There is an account of a single KV-1 knocking out THIRTY panzers in a single engagement). By 1944 the Germans had a far smaller number of better tanks which could turn a T34/76 unit into a scrapyard.



This list shows the last 10 events of 98. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.MookMobile