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20th Dec '17 3:04:38 AM StFan
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* Exo Squad, every single vehicle both allied and enemy right up to massive capital ships which isnt one of the titular E-Frames.

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* Exo Squad, every ''WesternAnimation/ExoSquad'': Every single vehicle both allied and enemy right up to massive capital ships which isnt one of the titular E-Frames.
3rd Oct '17 5:55:59 PM Watcherzero
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* Exo Squad, every single vehicle both allied and enemy right up to massive capital ships which isnt one of the titular E-Frames.
16th Sep '17 5:15:53 PM nombretomado
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** This is a result of the fact that the Soviets fought the UsefulNotes/ColdWar by proxy, and the reason Soviet gear was always available in plenty was because, outside the Soviet military and a select few allies, it came in "Monkey Models", which were significantly downgraded -- for instance, the T-72 has early composite armor, but the T-72M had simple rolled steel (granted, as thick as the [[TankGoodness friggin' Maus]] in [[AttackItsWeakPoint some places]]). Combine that with subpar training, [[GeneralFailure tactical ineptitude]], supply problems, and often [[LensmanArmsRace Western gear being from a newer generation]], and, well... When your fancy tanks like the [[YanksWithTanks Abrams]] (1990s, 120 mm smoothbore main gun) face T-55s (1950s, 100 mm rifled main gun) with the occasional, similar-looking T-72 (1980s, 125 mm smoothbore, mostly assembled from spare parts by Iraqis), with undertrained and demoralized crews, suffering from constant [[DeathFromAbove aerial attacks]] and armed with training ammunition (mild steel rounds instead of tungsten or depleted uranium), [[CurbStompBattle the result is predictable]]. And this is called CombatPragmatism, not bad tanks.

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** This is a result of the fact that the Soviets fought the UsefulNotes/ColdWar by proxy, and the reason Soviet gear was always available in plenty was because, outside the Soviet military and a select few allies, it came in "Monkey Models", which were significantly downgraded -- for instance, the T-72 has early composite armor, but the T-72M had simple rolled steel (granted, as thick as the [[TankGoodness friggin' Maus]] in [[AttackItsWeakPoint some places]]). Combine that with subpar training, [[GeneralFailure tactical ineptitude]], supply problems, and often [[LensmanArmsRace Western gear being from a newer generation]], and, well... When your fancy tanks like the [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks Abrams]] (1990s, 120 mm smoothbore main gun) face T-55s (1950s, 100 mm rifled main gun) with the occasional, similar-looking T-72 (1980s, 125 mm smoothbore, mostly assembled from spare parts by Iraqis), with undertrained and demoralized crews, suffering from constant [[DeathFromAbove aerial attacks]] and armed with training ammunition (mild steel rounds instead of tungsten or depleted uranium), [[CurbStompBattle the result is predictable]]. And this is called CombatPragmatism, not bad tanks.
5th Sep '17 4:13:54 PM MBG
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** The series elaborates on this, as seen in the page quote. The lack of shields, missiles, life support, hyperdrive, etc. makes Imperial TIE Fighters faster and more maneuverable than the Rebels/New Republics' X-Wings, and in a skilled pilot's hands even the humble TIE Fighter can be a lethal opponent. The problem for Imperial NewMeat is surviving that long, as one mistake with their craft is often fatal, while Rebel pilots' shields give them a much greater opportunity to survive and learn from their errors.

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** The series elaborates on this, as seen in the page quote. The lack of shields, missiles, life support, hyperdrive, etc. makes Imperial TIE Fighters faster and more maneuverable than the Rebels/New Republics' X-Wings, and in a skilled pilot's hands even the humble TIE Fighter can be a lethal opponent. The problem for Imperial NewMeat is surviving that long, as one mistake with their craft is often fatal, while Rebel pilots' shields give them a much greater opportunity to survive and learn from their errors. (Like many aspects of the TIE Fighter, this is based on the Japanese Zero - early in the war, it was in the hands of experienced pilots and a terror for American pilots, but its fragility meant that a few years into the war, most of the Zero aces had been killed, and new pilots had no room for error.)
30th Aug '17 10:14:05 AM MBG
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** Perhaps the UrExample is the above mentioned [=TIE=] Fighter. Supposedly one of the "symbols of the Empire", the [=TIE Fighter=] is really only seen being successful during [[Film/ANewHope the first (er, fourth?) movie]], during the famous Death Star trench run. Other than that, it exists solely to inflate Rogue Squadron's kill count. Two simple lasers, no shields, no air, and leaving the pilot completely screwed in the face of real competition, the [=TIE=] Fighter is always seen in pushover swarms - the best you can say about it is that it's more maneuverable and faster in space than an X-Wing. The disparity was largely based on the Japanese Zero vs the American [=F4F=] and [=F6Fs=] which were less maneuverable but much better armored such that their pilot were more likely to survive repeated combat.

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** Perhaps the UrExample is the above mentioned [=TIE=] Fighter. Supposedly one of the "symbols of the Empire", the [=TIE Fighter=] is really only seen being successful during [[Film/ANewHope the first (er, fourth?) movie]], during the famous Death Star trench run. Other than that, it exists solely to inflate Rogue Squadron's kill count. Two simple lasers, no shields, no air, and leaving the pilot completely screwed in the face of real competition, the [=TIE=] Fighter is always seen in pushover swarms - the best you can say about it is that it's more maneuverable and faster in space than an X-Wing. The disparity was largely based on the Japanese Zero vs the American [=F4F=] and [=F6Fs=] which were less maneuverable but much better armored such that their pilot were more likely to survive repeated combat. Ironically, it's implied that it's based on the design of the Eta-2 Actis, a starfighter mostly used by Jedi and with similar characteristics (no armament aside from basic lasers, no shielding, minimal armor, high maneuverability and speed). As it turned out, the characteristics that made the TIE fighter so notoriously weak were the same ones that made the Actis successful; it being a FragileSpeedster didn't matter when its pilots were precognitive and could simply dodge everything.
16th Jul '17 10:54:10 AM nombretomado
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* In books, films and accounts of WW2, the T34 is this trope, at least in German-sympathetic accounts. Many authors focus on Tiger and Panther tanks sweeping forward, knocking out T34's by the dozen. This is despite the fact that initially, the T34 tank outclassed anything the Germans could field. The T34 medium and its heavy partner the KV-1 were capable of turning the average 1941 panzer tank into Mook Mobiles. (There is an account of a single KV-1 knocking out THIRTY panzers in a single engagement). By 1944 the Germans had a far smaller number of better tanks which could turn a T34/76 unit into a scrapyard.

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* In books, films and accounts of WW2, [=WW2=], the T34 [=T34=] is this trope, at least in German-sympathetic accounts. Many authors focus on Tiger and Panther tanks sweeping forward, knocking out T34's [=T34=]'s by the dozen. This is despite the fact that initially, the T34 tank outclassed anything the Germans could field. The T34 [=T34=] medium and its heavy partner the KV-1 were capable of turning the average 1941 panzer tank into Mook Mobiles. (There is an account of a single KV-1 knocking out THIRTY panzers in a single engagement). By 1944 the Germans had a far smaller number of better tanks which could turn a T34/76 [=T34=]/76 unit into a scrapyard.
22nd Apr '17 2:58:44 AM Getta
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6th Apr '17 9:08:27 AM Mhazard
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** The name "Zaku" is also derived from the Japanese term "Zako" [[note]]雑魚, literally "inferior fish"[[/note]], in which the term means "[[MeaningfulName expendable grunts]]".

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** The name "Zaku" is also derived from the Japanese term "Zako" "[[MeaningfulName Zako]]" [[note]]雑魚, literally "inferior fish"[[/note]], in which the term means "[[MeaningfulName "[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin expendable grunts]]".
6th Apr '17 9:07:44 AM Mhazard
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** The name "Zaku" is also derived from the Japanese term "Zako" [[note]]雑魚, literally "inferior fish"[[/note]], in which the term means "[[MeaningfulName expendable grunts]]".
5th Mar '17 9:29:13 AM nombretomado
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* Villain organizations in MarvelComics such as ComicBook/{{Hydra}}, AIM, and the Secret Empire all drive around on various hovercrafts, only to get shot down en masse by the heroes.

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* Villain organizations in MarvelComics Creator/MarvelComics such as ComicBook/{{Hydra}}, AIM, and the Secret Empire all drive around on various hovercrafts, only to get shot down en masse by the heroes.
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