History Main / MohsScaleofScienceFictionHardness

12th Jul '16 6:11:41 PM nombretomado
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* '''In hard SF:''' "A good question with an interesting answer. [[{{Infodump}} Please have a seat while I bring you up to speed]] on the latest ideas in quantum theory, after which I will spend a chapter detailing an elaborate, yet plausible-sounding connection between quantum states, the unified field theory, and the means by which the brain stores memory, all tied into theories from both AlbertEinstein [[SmallReferencePools and]] StephenHawking."

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* '''In hard SF:''' "A good question with an interesting answer. [[{{Infodump}} Please have a seat while I bring you up to speed]] on the latest ideas in quantum theory, after which I will spend a chapter detailing an elaborate, yet plausible-sounding connection between quantum states, the unified field theory, and the means by which the brain stores memory, all tied into theories from both AlbertEinstein UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein [[SmallReferencePools and]] StephenHawking."
25th May '16 4:31:03 PM EToEyePieNegativeOne
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Unfortunately for analytical purposes, this pattern is not universal - hard SF stories can skip over the details as long as the basic explanation is correct [[MagicAIsMagicA given what's been established so far]]. Therefore, regardless of the [[http://web.archive.org/web/20091216091121/http://www.shrovetuesdayobserved.com/flight.html typical stylistic flourishes]] of hard SF, the only way to define it is self-consistency and scientific accuracy.

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Unfortunately for analytical purposes, this pattern is not universal - hard SF stories can skip over the details as long as the basic explanation is correct [[MagicAIsMagicA given what's been established so far]]. Therefore, regardless of the [[http://web.archive.org/web/20091216091121/http://www.shrovetuesdayobserved.com/flight.html [[http://archive.is/9HERI typical stylistic flourishes]] ("If all stories were written like science fiction stories" by Mark Rosenfelder, a [[ConLang conlanger]]) of hard SF, the only way to define it is self-consistency and scientific accuracy.



''Note 4:'' Sometimes a study hits the news that, if confirmed, would reassign many works on the scale. For example, [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8782895/CERN-scientists-break-the-speed-of-light.html the September 2011 OPERA experiment which measured faster-than-light travel by neutrinos]] might have moved works whose Mohs/OneBigLie was FTLTravel into the Mohs/SpeculativeScience category. There are three reasons to be cautious about doing so: first, because mass media reporting of scientific results is often inaccurate due to the difficulty of presenting technical results to a non-technical audience; second, because revolutionary new results (and results in the ''news'' are generally new) are far more likely to be overturned than they appear (indeed, the OPERA anomaly was [[http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html caused by faulty equipment]]); and third, for purposes of the Scale, the yardstick of scientific plausibility is what the science said ''at the time the work was written'', not what [[ScienceMarchesOn scientists discovered later]].

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''Note 4:'' Sometimes a study hits the news that, if confirmed, would reassign many works on the scale. For example, [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8782895/CERN-scientists-break-the-speed-of-light.uk/news/science/8782895/CERN-scientists-break-the-speed-of-light.html the September 2011 OPERA experiment which measured faster-than-light travel by neutrinos]] might have moved works whose Mohs/OneBigLie was FTLTravel into the Mohs/SpeculativeScience category. There are three reasons to be cautious about doing so: first, because mass media reporting of scientific results is often inaccurate due to the difficulty of presenting technical results to a non-technical audience; second, because revolutionary new results (and results in the ''news'' are generally new) are far more likely to be overturned than they appear (indeed, the OPERA anomaly was [[http://news.[[http://www.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html org/news/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster-light-neutrino-results caused by faulty equipment]]); and third, for purposes of the Scale, the yardstick of scientific plausibility is what the science said ''at the time the work was written'', not what [[ScienceMarchesOn scientists discovered later]].
25th Apr '16 1:51:29 PM WellRespectedMan
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A subclass of this class (arguably 2.5 on the scale) contains stories that are generally sound, except the physics aren't our own. Plot aside, they are often a philosophical exploration of a concept [[ScienceMarchesOn no longer considered true]] (such as [[{{Creator/Aristotle}} Aristotelian physics]]), or never true in the first place (e.g. two spatial dimensions instead of three). Some of Creator/ArthurCClarke's stories fall here. However, given [[ScienceFantasy the overlap with fantasy]], it can [[GenreBusting prove tricky]] to even classify a story as SF.

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A subclass of this class (arguably 2.5 on the scale) contains stories that are generally sound, except the physics aren't our own. Plot aside, they are often a philosophical exploration of a concept [[ScienceMarchesOn no longer considered true]] (such as [[{{Creator/Aristotle}} Aristotelian physics]]), or never considered true in the first place (e.g. two spatial dimensions instead of three). Some of Creator/ArthurCClarke's stories fall here. However, given [[ScienceFantasy the overlap with fantasy]], it can [[GenreBusting prove tricky]] to even classify a story as SF.
10th Apr '16 2:05:52 PM supergod
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# '''Mohs/PhysicsPlus:''' Stories in this class once again have multiple forms of AppliedPhlebotinum, but in contrast to the prior class, the author aims to justify these creations with [[ShownTheirWork real]] and [[MinovskyParticle invented]] natural laws -- and these creations and others from the same laws will [[ChekhovsBoomerang turn up again and again in new contexts]]. Works like ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', DavidWeber's ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series, David Brin's ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series, and ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' fall in this class. Most RealRobot shows fall somewhere between Classes 2 and 3. ''LightNovel/BodaciousSpacePirates'' has two big lies(FTL and artificial gravity, which the story is exploring and extensive thought and notification of unrealism was given in the afterword) and a few small fibs(usually enlarged versions of nanoscopic physic concepts that appear as chapter only gadgets, like the cooling beam gun used as a stun gun which in all sense is not important to the plot.) and falls between 3 and 4.

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# '''Mohs/PhysicsPlus:''' Stories in this class once again have multiple forms of AppliedPhlebotinum, but in contrast to the prior class, the author aims to justify these creations with [[ShownTheirWork real]] and [[MinovskyParticle invented]] natural laws -- and these creations and others from the same laws will [[ChekhovsBoomerang turn up again and again in new contexts]]. Works like ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', DavidWeber's ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series, David Brin's ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series, and ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' fall in this class. Most RealRobot shows fall somewhere between Classes 2 and 3. ''LightNovel/BodaciousSpacePirates'' has two big lies(FTL and artificial gravity, which the story is exploring and extensive thought and notification of unrealism was given in the afterword) and a few small fibs(usually enlarged versions of nanoscopic physic concepts that appear as chapter only gadgets, like the cooling beam gun used as a stun gun which in all sense is not important to the plot.) and falls between 3 and 4.
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10th Apr '16 10:03:45 AM NekoTroper
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# '''Mohs/PhysicsPlus:''' Stories in this class once again have multiple forms of AppliedPhlebotinum, but in contrast to the prior class, the author aims to justify these creations with [[ShownTheirWork real]] and [[MinovskyParticle invented]] natural laws -- and these creations and others from the same laws will [[ChekhovsBoomerang turn up again and again in new contexts]]. Works like ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', DavidWeber's ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series, David Brin's ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series, and ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' fall in this class. Most RealRobot shows fall somewhere between Classes 2 and 3. MiniskirtSpacePirates has two big lies(FTL and artificial gravity, which the story is exploring and extensive thought and notification of unrealism was given in the afterword) and a few small fibs(usually enlarged versions of nanoscopic physic concepts that appear as chapter only gadgets, like the cooling beam gun used as a stun gun which in all sense is not important to the plot.) and falls between 3 and 4.

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# '''Mohs/PhysicsPlus:''' Stories in this class once again have multiple forms of AppliedPhlebotinum, but in contrast to the prior class, the author aims to justify these creations with [[ShownTheirWork real]] and [[MinovskyParticle invented]] natural laws -- and these creations and others from the same laws will [[ChekhovsBoomerang turn up again and again in new contexts]]. Works like ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', DavidWeber's ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series, David Brin's ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series, and ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' fall in this class. Most RealRobot shows fall somewhere between Classes 2 and 3. MiniskirtSpacePirates ''LightNovel/BodaciousSpacePirates'' has two big lies(FTL and artificial gravity, which the story is exploring and extensive thought and notification of unrealism was given in the afterword) and a few small fibs(usually enlarged versions of nanoscopic physic concepts that appear as chapter only gadgets, like the cooling beam gun used as a stun gun which in all sense is not important to the plot.) and falls between 3 and 4.
25th Nov '15 8:38:11 PM Mythsearcher
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# '''Mohs/PhysicsPlus:''' Stories in this class once again have multiple forms of AppliedPhlebotinum, but in contrast to the prior class, the author aims to justify these creations with [[ShownTheirWork real]] and [[MinovskyParticle invented]] natural laws -- and these creations and others from the same laws will [[ChekhovsBoomerang turn up again and again in new contexts]]. Works like ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', DavidWeber's ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series, David Brin's ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series, and ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' fall in this class. Most RealRobot shows fall somewhere between Classes 2 and 3. MiniskirtPirates has two big lies(FTL and artificial gravity, which the story is exploring and extensive thought and notification of unrealism was given in the afterword) and a few small fibs(usually enlarged versions of nanoscopic physic concepts that appear as chapter only gadgets, like the cooling beam gun used as a stun gun which in all sense is not important to the plot.) and falls between 3 and 4.

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# '''Mohs/PhysicsPlus:''' Stories in this class once again have multiple forms of AppliedPhlebotinum, but in contrast to the prior class, the author aims to justify these creations with [[ShownTheirWork real]] and [[MinovskyParticle invented]] natural laws -- and these creations and others from the same laws will [[ChekhovsBoomerang turn up again and again in new contexts]]. Works like ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', DavidWeber's ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series, David Brin's ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series, and ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' fall in this class. Most RealRobot shows fall somewhere between Classes 2 and 3. MiniskirtPirates MiniskirtSpacePirates has two big lies(FTL and artificial gravity, which the story is exploring and extensive thought and notification of unrealism was given in the afterword) and a few small fibs(usually enlarged versions of nanoscopic physic concepts that appear as chapter only gadgets, like the cooling beam gun used as a stun gun which in all sense is not important to the plot.) and falls between 3 and 4.
25th Nov '15 8:37:36 PM Mythsearcher
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# '''Mohs/PhysicsPlus:''' Stories in this class once again have multiple forms of AppliedPhlebotinum, but in contrast to the prior class, the author aims to justify these creations with [[ShownTheirWork real]] and [[MinovskyParticle invented]] natural laws -- and these creations and others from the same laws will [[ChekhovsBoomerang turn up again and again in new contexts]]. Works like ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', DavidWeber's ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series, David Brin's ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series, and ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' fall in this class. Most RealRobot shows fall somewhere between Classes 2 and 3.

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# '''Mohs/PhysicsPlus:''' Stories in this class once again have multiple forms of AppliedPhlebotinum, but in contrast to the prior class, the author aims to justify these creations with [[ShownTheirWork real]] and [[MinovskyParticle invented]] natural laws -- and these creations and others from the same laws will [[ChekhovsBoomerang turn up again and again in new contexts]]. Works like ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', DavidWeber's ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series, David Brin's ''Literature/{{Uplift}}'' series, and ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' fall in this class. Most RealRobot shows fall somewhere between Classes 2 and 3.
3. MiniskirtPirates has two big lies(FTL and artificial gravity, which the story is exploring and extensive thought and notification of unrealism was given in the afterword) and a few small fibs(usually enlarged versions of nanoscopic physic concepts that appear as chapter only gadgets, like the cooling beam gun used as a stun gun which in all sense is not important to the plot.) and falls between 3 and 4.
6th Nov '15 12:17:53 PM TheWhistleTropes
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* '''In medium SF:''' "You sit in this seat, set the date you want, and [[Film/BackToTheFuture drive to 88 mph]]."
16th Oct '15 5:18:06 PM nombretomado
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A subclass of this (5.5 on the scale) is ''Futurology:'' stories which function almost like a prediction of the future, extrapolating from current technology rather than inventing major new technologies or discoveries. (Naturally, {{Zeerust}} is common in older entries.) ''Film/{{Gattaca}}'', {{Planetes}}, ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops The Machine Stops]]'' by E. M. Forster, and the more SpeculativeFiction works of Creator/JulesVerne fall in this subclass.

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A subclass of this (5.5 on the scale) is ''Futurology:'' stories which function almost like a prediction of the future, extrapolating from current technology rather than inventing major new technologies or discoveries. (Naturally, {{Zeerust}} is common in older entries.) ''Film/{{Gattaca}}'', {{Planetes}}, Manga/{{Planetes}}, ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops The Machine Stops]]'' by E. M. Forster, and the more SpeculativeFiction works of Creator/JulesVerne fall in this subclass.
17th Sep '15 6:23:39 PM eroock
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-->--'''Creator/HalClement''', ''Whirligig World''

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-->--'''Creator/HalClement''', -->-- '''Creator/HalClement''', ''Whirligig World''
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