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27th Jun '16 2:57:50 AM gewunomox
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# This is most DeathMetal and BlackMetal[='=]s home level. Lyrics start to get positively disturbing and/or {{gorn}}y and the singer will always be growling or screaming, though clean vocals can be used for [[SopranoAndGravel contrast]] or [[OneWomanWail for]] [[OminousLatinChanting sound]] [[CreepyChildrenSinging effects]]. The hardest variants of ThrashMetal,[[note]]especially German thrash metal[[/note]] MelodicDeathMetal,[[note]]See the examples from Septicflesh and The Black Dahlia Murder at this level[[/note]] and viking/folk metal can hit this point, but that is quite uncommon. At this point hardcore bands become indistinguishable from metal to anyone who's not a loyal fan of both genres, since hardcore at this level is blatantly influenced by metal. Likewise, Thrash Metal on this level can sound pretty close to Death Metal to the uninitiated. At this point HardcorePunk becomes {{grindcore}}, and while it is possible for a {{metalcore}} band to get this high, it's very rare, although this is Music/{{Chimaira}}, Music/{{Converge}} and Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan's home level, and Heaven Shall Burn often reaches this level as well. GrooveMetal at this level usually has a lot of DeathMetal influence.[[note]]See the examples from Chimaira, Fear Factory, [=DevilDriver=], Gojira, Meshuggah, Pantera and Slipknot at this level.[[/note]] {{Dubstep}} with a significant metal infusion ("metalstep"/"brostep") can also be found here.[[note]]Most of {{Skrillex}}'s harsher output resides at this level.[[/note]] This is also where you start to see Funeral Doom, Drone Doom, and Death/Doom.

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# This is most DeathMetal and BlackMetal[='=]s home level. Lyrics start to get positively disturbing and/or {{gorn}}y and the singer will always be growling or screaming, though clean vocals can be used for [[SopranoAndGravel contrast]] or [[OneWomanWail for]] [[OminousLatinChanting sound]] [[CreepyChildrenSinging effects]]. The hardest variants of ThrashMetal,[[note]]especially German thrash metal[[/note]] MelodicDeathMetal,[[note]]See the examples from Septicflesh and The Black Dahlia Murder at this level[[/note]] and viking/folk metal can hit this point, but that is quite uncommon. At this point hardcore bands become indistinguishable from metal to anyone who's not a loyal fan of both genres, since hardcore at this level is blatantly influenced by metal. Likewise, Thrash Metal on this level can sound pretty close to Death Metal to the uninitiated. At this point HardcorePunk becomes {{grindcore}}, and while it is possible for a {{metalcore}} band to get this high, it's very rare, although this is Music/{{Chimaira}}, Music/{{Converge}} and Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan's home level, and Heaven Shall Burn often reaches this level as well. GrooveMetal at this level usually has a lot of DeathMetal influence.[[note]]See the examples from Chimaira, Fear Factory, [=DevilDriver=], Gojira, Meshuggah, Pantera and Slipknot at this level.[[/note]] {{Dubstep}} with a significant metal infusion ("metalstep"/"brostep") can also be found here.[[note]]Most of {{Skrillex}}'s Music/{{Skrillex}}'s harsher output resides at this level.[[/note]] This is also where you start to see Funeral Doom, Drone Doom, and Death/Doom.
10th May '16 2:51:35 AM Snicka
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* The harder the music is, the more likely it is to fall under RottenRockAndRoll. If both the heroes and the villains play music or have a musical theme, the villains' music will probably be harder than the heroes'.

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* The harder the music is, the more likely it is to fall under RottenRockAndRoll. If In a film, show or video game, if both the heroes and the villains play music or have a musical theme, the villains' music will probably be harder than the heroes'.
10th May '16 2:50:51 AM Snicka
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* The harder the music is, the more likely it is to fall under RottenRockAndRoll. If both the heroes and the villains play music or have a musical theme, the villains' music will probably be harder than the heroes'.
22nd Apr '16 11:33:49 PM aye_amber
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** Similarly, many of the more [[TechnicalDeathMetal progressive, technical artists]] who reside at the hard end of the scale (Augury, Death, Neuraxis, Decapitated, Origin, Meshuggah and Cephalic Carnage, to name a few) generally write lyrics which, while certainly quite [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical]], and [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] than most at the soft end of the scale, [[LyricalDissonance aren't especially graphic or disturbing]]. Their lyrics are often highly philosophical, reflective, introspective, or merely less visceral as opposed to the outright {{Gorn}} written by many of the other bands residing at the top of the scale (e.g. Cannibal Corpse, Exhumed, early Carcass). Such exceptions also apply to bands such as NapalmDeath and TheAgonist which write politically or socially conscious lyrics.

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** Similarly, many of the more [[TechnicalDeathMetal progressive, technical artists]] who reside at the hard end of the scale (Augury, Death, Neuraxis, Decapitated, Origin, Meshuggah (Music/{{Augury}}, Music/{{Death}}, Music/{{Neuraxis}}, Music/{{Decapitated}}, Music/{{Origin}}, Music/{{Meshuggah}}, and Cephalic Carnage, Music/CephalicCarnage, to name a few) generally write lyrics which, while certainly quite [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical]], cynical,]] and [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] than most at the soft end of the scale, [[LyricalDissonance aren't especially graphic or disturbing]]. disturbing.]] Their lyrics are often highly philosophical, reflective, introspective, or merely less visceral as opposed to the outright {{Gorn}} written by many of the other bands residing at the top of the scale (e.g. Cannibal Corpse, Exhumed, Music/CannibalCorpse, Music/{{Exhumed}}, early Carcass). Music/{{Carcass}}). Such exceptions also apply to bands such as NapalmDeath Music/NapalmDeath and TheAgonist Music/TheAgonist which write politically or socially conscious lyrics.
20th Apr '16 6:56:28 PM aye_amber
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If you're looking for the scale that ranks the hardness of ''actual'' rocks and metals, TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness has you covered.]] This one is about music.

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If you're looking for the scale that ranks the hardness of ''actual'' rocks and metals, TheOtherWiki [[http://en.Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness has you covered.]] This one is about music.
1st Apr '16 8:44:54 AM MoreFace
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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily Music/TheJimiHendrixExperience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.

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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily Music/TheJimiHendrixExperience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Here, you can also find [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKt7UPlyDo4 the resident lava world theme from Yoshi's Woolly World]]. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.
14th Mar '16 11:10:50 PM KizunaTallis
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# Rock sans intensifier. A bit faster/louder/darker than 2, but still pretty soft. The heaviest soft rock and the softest hard rock and dance-punk can both be found here. PopPunk begins at this level. Most of the songs in this level come across as more "radio-friendly/MTV-friendly" than those on higher levels. Cinematic music/film score starts at this level. Most "danceable" ElectronicMusic (especially the lighter end of eurobeat, happy hardcore and trance) end up at this level. This is also the home level for {{synthpop}}.

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# Rock sans intensifier. A bit faster/louder/darker than 2, but still pretty soft. The heaviest soft rock and the softest hard rock and dance-punk can both be found here. PopPunk begins at this level. Most of the songs in this level come across as more "radio-friendly/MTV-friendly" than those on higher levels. Cinematic music/film score starts at this level. Most "danceable" ElectronicMusic (especially the lighter end of eurobeat, {{Eurobeat}}, [[HardcoreTechno happy hardcore hardcore]] and trance) {{trance}}) end up at this level. This is also the home level for {{synthpop}}.



# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory and about as light as you can get while remaining in metal territory. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental genres can be found.
# Classic metal and most PowerMetal. This is also (mostly) the point after which Punk transitions into Hardcore Punk. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though clean and melodic (often classically trained for Power Metal) singing is still standard, usually saving harsh vocals for occasionally [[SopranoAndGravel emphasizing the contrast between styles]]. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here, as well as much NuMetal. Viking and FolkMetal start showing up around here. The lightest GrooveMetal can be found here. AlternativeMetal with more emphasis on the 'metal' part starts showing up here as well as most ProgressiveMetal. Most metal/electronic crossovers either begin here (metallic dubstep and drum and bass) or end here (hard trance, {{Speedy Techno Remix}}es, and eurobeat). Metalcore will only occasionally be found here, but when it is, it usually lacks harsh vocals, save for a token scream or two (think, most of Music/AllThatRemains recent songs, or most old Avenged Sevenfold) or the occasional {{yarling}}.

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# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory and about as light as you can get while remaining in metal territory. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.
# Classic metal and most PowerMetal. This is also (mostly) the point after which Punk transitions into Hardcore Punk. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though clean and melodic (often classically trained for Power Metal) singing is still standard, usually saving harsh vocals for occasionally [[SopranoAndGravel emphasizing the contrast between styles]]. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here, as well as much NuMetal. Viking and FolkMetal start showing up around here. The lightest GrooveMetal can be found here. AlternativeMetal with more emphasis on the 'metal' part starts showing up here as well as most ProgressiveMetal. Most metal/electronic crossovers either begin here (metallic dubstep and drum and bass) or end here (hard trance, tech trance, {{Speedy Techno Remix}}es, and eurobeat).Eurobeat). Metalcore will only occasionally be found here, but when it is, it usually lacks harsh vocals, save for a token scream or two (think, most of Music/AllThatRemains recent songs, or most old Avenged Sevenfold) or the occasional {{yarling}}.
10th Feb '16 2:48:41 AM Xaris
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# Classic metal and most PowerMetal. This is also (mostly) the point after which Punk transitions into Hardcore Punk. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though vocalists still use clean, melodic styles most of the time. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here, as well as much NuMetal. Viking and FolkMetal start showing up around here. The lightest GrooveMetal can be found here. AlternativeMetal with more emphasis on the 'metal' part starts showing up here as well as most ProgressiveMetal. Most metal/electronic crossovers either begin here (metallic dubstep and drum and bass) or end here (hard trance, {{Speedy Techno Remix}}es, and eurobeat). Metalcore will only occasionally be found here, but when it is, it usually lacks harsh vocals, save for a token scream or two (think, most of Music/AllThatRemains recent songs, or most old Avenged Sevenfold) or the occasional {{yarling}}.

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# Classic metal and most PowerMetal. This is also (mostly) the point after which Punk transitions into Hardcore Punk. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though vocalists still use clean, clean and melodic styles most of (often classically trained for Power Metal) singing is still standard, usually saving harsh vocals for occasionally [[SopranoAndGravel emphasizing the time.contrast between styles]]. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here, as well as much NuMetal. Viking and FolkMetal start showing up around here. The lightest GrooveMetal can be found here. AlternativeMetal with more emphasis on the 'metal' part starts showing up here as well as most ProgressiveMetal. Most metal/electronic crossovers either begin here (metallic dubstep and drum and bass) or end here (hard trance, {{Speedy Techno Remix}}es, and eurobeat). Metalcore will only occasionally be found here, but when it is, it usually lacks harsh vocals, save for a token scream or two (think, most of Music/AllThatRemains recent songs, or most old Avenged Sevenfold) or the occasional {{yarling}}.
6th Jan '16 4:27:33 PM Josef5678
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# Relatively harder rock. This is where distortion-driven rock starts to become the norm, though mostly clean/acoustic guitar songs are also common. This is about where you can start finding punk, as well; lighter than this and you can't usually muster the kind of anger you need for punk. The harder, more bombastic end of ClassicalMusic, especially the works of the great composers, can also be found here. Lighter PostGrunge also begins to show up here. This is pretty much as heavy as Rock n' Roll got, though the vocal SurfRock gives some of the earliest examples of this level in Rock. This is also home to the slightly heavier dance-punk bands such as LCDSoundsystem and The Rapture. This is probably the last level where you're likely to find CountryMusic without a significant hard rock influence.
# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily TheJimiHendrixExperience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.

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# Relatively harder rock. This is where distortion-driven rock starts to become the norm, though mostly clean/acoustic guitar songs are also common. This is about where you can start finding punk, as well; lighter than this and you can't usually muster the kind of anger you need for punk. The harder, more bombastic end of ClassicalMusic, especially the works of the great composers, can also be found here. Lighter PostGrunge also begins to show up here. This is pretty much as heavy as Rock n' Roll got, though the vocal SurfRock gives some of the earliest examples of this level in Rock. This is also home to the slightly heavier dance-punk bands such as LCDSoundsystem Music/LCDSoundsystem and The Rapture. This is probably the last level where you're likely to find CountryMusic without a significant hard rock influence.
# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily TheJimiHendrixExperience Music/TheJimiHendrixExperience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.
27th Dec '15 5:14:23 PM valar55
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As of late, the scale has been expanded to include genres related to rock and metal such as ElectronicMusic, blues, jazz, and country. The scale also encompasses long-established musical standards such as pop[[labelnote:*]]though the examples provided are, of course, rock-influenced[[/labelnote]] and ClassicalMusic[[labelnote:*]][[OlderThanTheyThink which actually predates rock]] in being "hard", or "heavy", as proven by many classical pieces made before the rock age[[/labelnote]]. It should be noted that songs from these genres do not usually make it to the scale; those that do are usually similar to or influenced by rock or metal.

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As of late, the scale has been expanded to include genres related to rock and metal such as ElectronicMusic, blues, jazz, and country. The scale also encompasses long-established musical standards such as pop[[labelnote:*]]though pop[[note]]though the examples provided are, of course, rock-influenced[[/labelnote]] rock-influenced[[/note]] and ClassicalMusic[[labelnote:*]][[OlderThanTheyThink ClassicalMusic[[note]][[OlderThanTheyThink which actually predates rock]] in being "hard", or "heavy", as proven by many classical pieces made before the rock age[[/labelnote]].age[[/note]]. It should be noted that songs from these genres do not usually make it to the scale; those that do are usually similar to or influenced by rock or metal.
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