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3rd May '18 12:22:06 PM Goofmuffin
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* Relatedly, the use of specific scales, chords or musical intervals also plays a role. Generally, a song in minor key will be harder than a song in major key. The use of specific intervals, such as the tritone (which was even called diabolus in musica in the Middle Ages), may also make a song harder.

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* Relatedly, the use of specific scales, chords or musical intervals also plays a role. Generally, a song in minor key will be harder than a song in major key. The use of specific intervals, such as the tritone (which was even (Sometimes called diabolus "diabolus in musica in musica", the Middle Ages), devil in music), may also make a song harder.
22nd Feb '18 6:13:05 AM LooneyCartoons
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# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory, and about as light as you can get while being undeniably metal. HardRock bands that hit this level didn't really start regularly appearing till the mid to late seventies, and most of the hard rock at this level will often be mis-classified HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. ProgressiveMetal and Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. It's also generally the final level where regular AlternativeRock appears. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found. It is also where most Melodic Hardcore is found

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# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory, and about as light as you can get while being undeniably metal. HardRock bands that hit this level didn't really start regularly appearing till the mid to late seventies, and most of the hard rock at this level will often be mis-classified HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. ProgressiveMetal and Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. It's also generally the final level where regular AlternativeRock appears. On average, this is where most the softer side of AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found. It is also where most Melodic Hardcore is found
22nd Feb '18 6:10:51 AM LooneyCartoons
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# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory, and about as light as you can get while being undeniably metal. HardRock bands that hit this level didn't really start regularly appearing till the mid to late seventies, and most of the hard rock at this level will often be mis-classified HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest as metal. ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. It's also generally the final level where regular AlternativeRock appears. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found. It is also where most Melodic Hardcore is found

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# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory, and about as light as you can get while being undeniably metal. HardRock bands that hit this level didn't really start regularly appearing till the mid to late seventies, and most of the hard rock at this level will often be mis-classified HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. ProgressiveMetal and Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest as metal. ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. It's also generally the final level where regular AlternativeRock appears. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found. It is also where most Melodic Hardcore is found
20th Feb '18 5:05:52 PM Noisynoisy56
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# As soft as rock (and to an extent, most music) gets. May be an otherwise 2 song without any guitar to distort, or a song which is generally slow and light. Most acoustic music, baroque pop, and DreamPop can be found here. Additionally, folk without a significant rock influence is mostly here. Some early pop can also be found here.

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# As soft as rock (and to an extent, most music) gets. May be an otherwise 2 song without any guitar to distort, or a song which is generally slow and light. Most acoustic music, baroque pop, and very light DreamPop can be found here. Additionally, folk without a significant rock influence is mostly here. Some early pop can also be found here. This is the home level of Ambient music. Some songs from this level have periods of silence or near silence. Some examples can be instrumental.
3rd Feb '18 4:05:00 PM LooneyCartoons
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# Lighter DeathMetal (especially MelodicDeathMetal) or harder ThrashMetal. Most experimental metal groups creep up to this level as well. You'll also find a lot of the less abrasive 'true' BlackMetal here. To the uninitiated, songs at this level and beyond could be NightmareFuel in musical form. Here is about where you start to get singers [[HarshVocals growling]] or [[MetalScream screaming]] for most of the song; this is also probably the highest level that can be attained with clean singing as the main vocal style. Lyrics may be very violent or just generally extremely dark. This is the last zone where you are likely to find hardcore punk that doesn't have a substantial metal or noise infusion. {{Metalcore}} continues to be found here, as well as the lighter end of {{deathcore}}. This is also pure HardcorePunk[='=]s absolute peak of hardness in the scale. Most viking/folk metal that has a significant infusion of BlackMetal or DeathMetal falls here. A lot of the heavier side of GrooveMetal is found here. ProgressiveMetal at this level often incorporates extreme metal elements. PowerMetal can be found here, but it almost always involves crossover with other genres at this point (see Music/ScarSymmetry and Music/ChildrenOfBodom for examples). This is the home level of the three big melodeath bands (Music/InFlames, Music/AtTheGates and Music/DarkTranquillity) before they changed styles, as well as Music/AmonAmarth and later Music/FleshgodApocalypse. Similarly, of the big four of thrash, this was Slayer's playing field most of the time[[note]]Although at their time they would've been the prime level 10 example.[[/note]]. In regards to Industrial, however, this is the home level for some EBM/Electronic Body Music[[note]]See Combichrist and Auto Aggression's examples at this level.[[/note]]. This is probably the last level where you'll find Noise Rock. Past this point, it turns into {{Grindcore}}.

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# Lighter DeathMetal (especially MelodicDeathMetal) or harder ThrashMetal. Most experimental metal groups creep up to this level as well. You'll also find a lot of the less abrasive 'true' BlackMetal here. To the uninitiated, songs at this level and beyond could be NightmareFuel in musical form. Here is about where you start to get singers [[HarshVocals growling]] or [[MetalScream screaming]] for most of the song; this is also probably the highest level that can be attained with clean singing as the main vocal style. Lyrics may be very violent or just generally extremely dark. This is the last zone where you are likely to find hardcore punk that doesn't have a substantial metal or noise infusion. {{Metalcore}} continues to be found here, as well as the lighter end of {{deathcore}}. This is also pure HardcorePunk[='=]s absolute peak of hardness in the scale. Most viking/folk metal that has a significant infusion of BlackMetal or DeathMetal falls here. A lot of the heavier side of GrooveMetal is found here. ProgressiveMetal at this level often incorporates extreme metal elements. PowerMetal can be found here, but it almost always involves crossover with other genres at this point (see Music/ScarSymmetry and Music/ChildrenOfBodom for examples). This is the home level of the three big melodeath bands (Music/InFlames, Music/AtTheGates and Music/DarkTranquillity) before they changed styles, as well as Music/AmonAmarth and later Music/FleshgodApocalypse. Similarly, of the big four of thrash, this was Slayer's playing field most of the time[[note]]Although at their time they would've been the prime level 10 example.[[/note]]. In regards to Industrial, however, this is the home level for some EBM/Electronic Body Music[[note]]See Combichrist and Auto Aggression's examples at this level.[[/note]]. This is probably the last level where you'll find Noise Rock. Past this point, it turns into {{Grindcore}}.



# UpToEleven: Music/AnalCunt is here, along with the harder side of [=grindcore=] especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme DeathMetal (examples from the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres usually end up here) and BlackMetal [[note]]See Teitanblood's, Deathspell Omega's and Anaal Nathrakh's examples at this level[[/note]] also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical[[note]]e.g. Ion Dissonance, Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan[[/note]], chaotic hardcore[[note]]e.g. Converge, Death Dust Extractor[[/note]]) can also reach this level. Most recently, DoomMetal has also managed to climb to this level; in recent years this level has become the province of death/doom, funeral doom, and drone metal[[note]]See [[Music/SunnO Sunn O)))]]'s and Music/{{Khanate}}'s examples at this level.[[/note]]. Crossovers of HeavyMetal and electronic music rarely get up to this level, but this is home to power electronics and most hardcore techno (especially speedcore and noisecore), and most of the hardest IDM/Braindance[[note]]See Autechre's, Venetian Snares's and Squarepusher's examples at this level, you will see...[[/note]], the most extreme drum and bass[[note]]Level 11 dnb will often have monster speed and may sound near-indistinguishable from industrial music to most people. Music/{{Noisia}}[='=]s harsher output resides here, for example.[[/note]] and dubstep[[note]]Level 11 dubstep will have a very harsh drop, heavily distorted bass and hardly any room for breathing. This is Music/{{Excision}}[='=]s home level, but other dubstep musicians such as Flux Pavilion, Doctor P, Skrillex and Devilman have managed to creep up here.[[/note]] can be found here too. Songs at this level often invoke auditory SensoryAbuse in [[HellIsThatNoise all]] [[BrownNote its]] [[ScareChord forms]], and can quickly become MostAnnoyingSound incarnate to many listeners. [[HarshVocals Growling]] or [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl screaming]] will always sound [[TheUnintelligible unintelligible]] and almost inhuman, and often pitch-shifting or other computer-aided effects are used to drive the vocal range beyond what could normally be sustained during singing[[note]](astoundingly though, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObHhRnvCqk not always]])[[/note]]. Cleans are virtually absent, but if cleans are present, they'll usually be a haunting OneWomanWail or OminousLatinChanting. Drums are so fast that it sounds like a ''solid wall of black noise'', or are so slow that a snare hits at the first second and the next beat ''never comes.'' Guitars and bass are heavier than a black hole, the heaviest known object in reality, and will (almost) surely sound like a chainsaw. Any and all electronic instrumentation will sound like a mess of chattering noise and beeping sounds. Production plays a ''very important'' role at this level: it may be [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth extremely raw and low-fi]], or [[LoudnessWar highly polished but intentionally brickwalled to deafening levels]]. In other words, the music in this level is [[WesternAnimation/{{Metalocalypse}} blacker than the blackest black times infinity.]] Significant elements of this class are [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible experimental]] in nature, although [[StealthParody stealth parodists]] commonly make their way up here as well.

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# UpToEleven: Music/AnalCunt is here, along with the harder side of [=grindcore=] especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme DeathMetal (examples from the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres usually end up here) and BlackMetal [[note]]See Teitanblood's, Deathspell Omega's and Anaal Nathrakh's examples at this level[[/note]] also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical[[note]]e.g. Ion Dissonance, Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan[[/note]], chaotic hardcore[[note]]e.g. Converge, Death Dust Extractor[[/note]]) can also reach this level. Most recently, DoomMetal has also managed to climb to this level; in recent years this level has become the province of death/doom, funeral doom, and drone metal[[note]]See [[Music/SunnO Sunn O)))]]'s and Music/{{Khanate}}'s examples at this level.[[/note]]. Noise Rock at this level is virtually indistinguishable from HarshNoise. Crossovers of HeavyMetal and electronic music rarely get up to this level, but this is home to power electronics and most hardcore techno (especially speedcore and noisecore), and most of the hardest IDM/Braindance[[note]]See Autechre's, Venetian Snares's and Squarepusher's examples at this level, you will see...[[/note]], the most extreme drum and bass[[note]]Level 11 dnb will often have monster speed and may sound near-indistinguishable from industrial music to most people. Music/{{Noisia}}[='=]s harsher output resides here, for example.[[/note]] and dubstep[[note]]Level 11 dubstep will have a very harsh drop, heavily distorted bass and hardly any room for breathing. This is Music/{{Excision}}[='=]s home level, but other dubstep musicians such as Flux Pavilion, Doctor P, Skrillex and Devilman have managed to creep up here.[[/note]] can be found here too. Songs at this level often invoke auditory SensoryAbuse in [[HellIsThatNoise all]] [[BrownNote its]] [[ScareChord forms]], and can quickly become MostAnnoyingSound incarnate to many listeners. [[HarshVocals Growling]] or [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl screaming]] will always sound [[TheUnintelligible unintelligible]] and almost inhuman, and often pitch-shifting or other computer-aided effects are used to drive the vocal range beyond what could normally be sustained during singing[[note]](astoundingly though, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObHhRnvCqk not always]])[[/note]]. Cleans are virtually absent, but if cleans are present, they'll usually be a haunting OneWomanWail or OminousLatinChanting. Drums are so fast that it sounds like a ''solid wall of black noise'', or are so slow that a snare hits at the first second and the next beat ''never comes.'' Guitars and bass are heavier than a black hole, the heaviest known object in reality, and will (almost) surely sound like a chainsaw. Any and all electronic instrumentation will sound like a mess of chattering noise and beeping sounds. Production plays a ''very important'' role at this level: it may be [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth extremely raw and low-fi]], or [[LoudnessWar highly polished but intentionally brickwalled to deafening levels]]. In other words, the music in this level is [[WesternAnimation/{{Metalocalypse}} blacker than the blackest black times infinity.]] Significant elements of this class are [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible experimental]] in nature, although [[StealthParody stealth parodists]] commonly make their way up here as well.
21st Jan '18 7:26:00 AM anty21
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* Relatedly, the use of specific scales, chords or musical intervals also plays a role. Generally, a song in minor key will be harder than a song in major key. The use of specific intervals, such as the tritone (which was even called diabolus in musica in the Middle Ages), may also make a song harder.
21st Dec '17 10:16:37 AM anty21
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* G: 13

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* G: G/U: 13



* PG-13: 67
* R: 89
* [=NC17=]: 1011

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* PG-13: PG-13/12A: 67
* R: R/15: 89
* [=NC17=]: [=NC17=]/18: 1011
8th Nov '17 2:41:57 AM bt8257
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* G: 1-3
* PG: 4-5
* [=PG13=]: 6-7
* R: 8-9
* [=NC17=]: 10-11

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* G: 1-3
13
* PG: 4-5
45
* [=PG13=]: 6-7
PG-13: 67
* R: 8-9
89
* [=NC17=]: 10-11
1011
25th Aug '17 2:10:47 AM Nick98
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# This is most DeathMetal and BlackMetal[='=]s home level. Lyrics start to get positively disturbing and/or {{gorn}}y and the singer will always be growling or screaming, though clean vocals can be used for [[SopranoAndGravel contrast]] or [[OneWomanWail for]] [[OminousLatinChanting sound]] [[CreepyChildrenSinging effects]]. The hardest variants of ThrashMetal,[[note]]especially German thrash metal[[/note]] MelodicDeathMetal,[[note]]See the examples from Septicflesh and The Black Dahlia Murder at this level[[/note]] and viking/folk metal can hit this point, but that is quite uncommon. At this point hardcore bands become indistinguishable from metal to anyone who's not a loyal fan of both genres, since hardcore at this level is blatantly influenced by metal. Likewise, Thrash Metal on this level can sound pretty close to Death Metal to the uninitiated. AvantGardeMetal can be found here, but it involves crossover with Extreme Metal genres at this point (see Music/{{Gorguts}} , Music/DeathspellOmega and [[Music/JohnZorn Naked City]] for examples) At this point HardcorePunk becomes {{grindcore}}, and while it is possible for a {{metalcore}} band to get this high, it's very rare, although this is Music/{{Chimaira}}, Music/{{Converge}} and Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan's home level, and Heaven Shall Burn often reaches this level as well. GrooveMetal at this level usually has a lot of DeathMetal influence.[[note]]See the examples from Chimaira, Fear Factory, [=DevilDriver=], Gojira, Meshuggah, Pantera and Slipknot at this level.[[/note]] {{Dubstep}} with a significant metal infusion ("metalstep"/"brostep") can also be found here.[[note]]Most of Music/{{Skrillex}}'s harsher output resides at this level.[[/note]] This is also where you start to see Funeral Doom, Drone Doom, and Death/Doom.

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# This is most DeathMetal and BlackMetal[='=]s home level. Lyrics start to get positively disturbing and/or {{gorn}}y and the singer will always be growling or screaming, though clean vocals can be used for [[SopranoAndGravel contrast]] or [[OneWomanWail for]] [[OminousLatinChanting sound]] [[CreepyChildrenSinging effects]]. The hardest variants of ThrashMetal,[[note]]especially German thrash metal[[/note]] MelodicDeathMetal,[[note]]See the examples from Septicflesh and The Black Dahlia Murder at this level[[/note]] and viking/folk metal can hit this point, but that is quite uncommon. At this point hardcore bands become indistinguishable from metal to anyone who's not a loyal fan of both genres, since hardcore at this level is blatantly influenced by metal. Likewise, Thrash Metal on this level can sound pretty close to Death Metal to the uninitiated. AvantGardeMetal can be found here, but it involves crossover with Extreme Metal genres at this point (see Music/{{Gorguts}} , Music/DeathspellOmega and [[Music/JohnZorn Naked City]] for examples) At this point HardcorePunk becomes {{grindcore}}, and while it is possible for a {{metalcore}} band to get this high, it's very rare, although this is Music/{{Chimaira}}, Music/{{Converge}} and Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan's home level, and Heaven Shall Burn often reaches this level as well.most {{Deathcore}} comfortably sits here. GrooveMetal at this level usually has a lot of DeathMetal influence.[[note]]See the examples from Chimaira, Fear Factory, [=DevilDriver=], Gojira, Meshuggah, Pantera and Slipknot at this level.[[/note]] {{Dubstep}} with a significant metal infusion ("metalstep"/"brostep") can also be found here.[[note]]Most of Music/{{Skrillex}}'s harsher output resides at this level.[[/note]] This is also where you start to see Funeral Doom, Drone Doom, and Death/Doom.
11th Jun '17 3:47:33 AM TT454
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* [=PG13=]:6-7

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* [=PG13=]:6-7[=PG13=]: 6-7
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