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14th Feb '17 5:18:53 PM azraelfinalstar
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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily The Music/JimiHendrix Experience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. This is mostly as high as PostPunk gets. NoiseRock begins here. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.
# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory, and about as light as you can get while being undeniably metal. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. It's also generally the final level where regular AlternativeRock appears. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.
# Classic metal and most PowerMetal. This is also (mostly) the point where Punk transitions into Hardcore Punk. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though clean and melodic (often classically trained for Power Metal) singing is still standard, usually saving harsh vocals for occasionally [[SopranoAndGravel emphasizing the contrast between styles]]. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here, as well as much NuMetal. Viking and FolkMetal start showing up around here. The lightest GrooveMetal can be found here. AlternativeMetal with more emphasis on the 'metal' part starts showing up here as well as most ProgressiveMetal. Most metal/electronic crossovers either begin here (metallic dubstep and drum and bass) or end here (hard trance, tech trance, {{Speedy Techno Remix}}es, and Eurobeat). Metalcore will only occasionally be found here, but when it is, it usually lacks harsh vocals, save for a token scream or two (think, most of Music/AllThatRemains recent songs, or most old Avenged Sevenfold) or the occasional {{yarling}}.
# Most ThrashMetal, and heavier forms of PowerMetal along with some classic metal. HairMetal tends to creep into this level as well (think of early Music/XJapan or Music/{{Loudness}}). Lyrics are usually very dark at this point. Vocal style is usually a snarl (most thrash metal uses this singing type), but clean singing is also common. Occasionally [[HarshVocals growls]] and [[MetalScream screams]] will be employed. Most hardcore punk is here, as well as the lighter end of {{metalcore}} and crossover thrash (fusion of thrash metal and hardcore punk). Whether purists want to hear it or not, the lighter and more atmospheric side of BlackMetal also starts here as does very light MelodicDeathMetal. Grunge and post-grunge occasionally creep into this level as well. You'll also find yet more viking/folk metal populating this region. Most GrooveMetal is here. In general, this is also pretty much as hard as you can get with significant radio or MTV play or if you want your song featured in VideoGame/GuitarHero or VideoGame/RockBand. AlternativeMetal or NuMetal at this level usually has a lot of influence from more aggressive metal genres. The heavier sides of ProgressiveMetal can be found here. Of the Big 4 of Thrash, Metallica, Megadeth and Anthrax were often found here, at least when they were still unambiguously thrash. This is also the point where pure {{Industrial}} and IndustrialMetal begin to sound almost indistinguishable from one another.

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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily The Music/JimiHendrix Experience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. This is mostly as high as PostPunk gets. NoiseRock begins here. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well. \n The softest side of Melodic Hardcore starts here
# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory, and about as light as you can get while being undeniably metal. HardRock bands that hit this level didn't really start regularly appearing till the mid to late seventies, and most of the hard rock at this level will often be mis-classified HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest as metal. ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. It's also generally the final level where regular AlternativeRock appears. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.
found. It is also where most Melodic Hardcore is found
# Classic metal Heavier TraditionalHeavyMetal and most PowerMetal. This is also (mostly) the point where Punk transitions into Hardcore Punk. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though clean and melodic (often classically trained for Power Metal) singing is still standard, usually saving harsh vocals for occasionally [[SopranoAndGravel emphasizing the contrast between styles]]. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here, as well as much NuMetal. Viking and FolkMetal start showing up around here. The lightest GrooveMetal can be found here.here, usually with a lot of HardRock influence. AlternativeMetal with more emphasis on the 'metal' part starts showing up here as well as most ProgressiveMetal. Most metal/electronic crossovers either begin here (metallic dubstep and drum and bass) or end here (hard trance, tech trance, {{Speedy Techno Remix}}es, and Eurobeat). Metalcore will only occasionally be found here, but when it is, it usually lacks harsh vocals, save for a token scream or two (think, most of Music/AllThatRemains recent songs, or most old Avenged Sevenfold) or the occasional {{yarling}}.
{{yarling}}. This is the absolute lowest that any metal could be called "Extreme Metal", and its usually borderline at that.
# Most ThrashMetal, and heavier forms of PowerMetal along with some classic metal. HairMetal tends to creep into this level as well (think of early Music/XJapan or Music/{{Loudness}}). Lyrics are usually very dark at this point. Vocal style is usually a snarl (most thrash metal uses this singing type), but clean singing is also common. Occasionally [[HarshVocals growls]] and [[MetalScream screams]] will be employed. Most hardcore punk is here, as well as the lighter end of {{metalcore}} and crossover thrash (fusion of thrash metal and hardcore punk). Whether purists want to hear it or not, the lighter and more atmospheric side of BlackMetal also starts here as does very light MelodicDeathMetal. Grunge and post-grunge occasionally creep into this level as well. You'll also find yet more viking/folk metal populating this region. Most GrooveMetal is here. In general, this is also pretty much as hard as you can get with significant radio or MTV play or if you want your song featured in VideoGame/GuitarHero or VideoGame/RockBand.VideoGame/RockBand (Music/{{Slayer}} seems to be curiously immune to this however). AlternativeMetal or NuMetal at this level usually has a lot of influence from more aggressive metal genres. The heavier sides of ProgressiveMetal can be found here. Of the Big 4 of Thrash, Metallica, Megadeth and Anthrax were often found here, at least when they were still unambiguously thrash. This is also the point where pure {{Industrial}} and IndustrialMetal begin to sound almost indistinguishable from one another. {[Grunge}} rarely hits this level, and when it does its usually straight up Hardcore or DoomMetal. (see Alice in Chains' songs at this level).
3rd Feb '17 11:07:00 AM Noisynoisy56
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# This is most DeathMetal and BlackMetal[='=]s home level. Lyrics start to get positively disturbing and/or {{gorn}}y and the singer will always be growling or screaming, though clean vocals can be used for [[SopranoAndGravel contrast]] or [[OneWomanWail for]] [[OminousLatinChanting sound]] [[CreepyChildrenSinging effects]]. The hardest variants of ThrashMetal,[[note]]especially German thrash metal[[/note]] MelodicDeathMetal,[[note]]See the examples from Septicflesh and The Black Dahlia Murder at this level[[/note]] and viking/folk metal can hit this point, but that is quite uncommon. At this point hardcore bands become indistinguishable from metal to anyone who's not a loyal fan of both genres, since hardcore at this level is blatantly influenced by metal. Likewise, Thrash Metal on this level can sound pretty close to Death Metal to the uninitiated. At this point HardcorePunk becomes {{grindcore}}, and while it is possible for a {{metalcore}} band to get this high, it's very rare, although this is Music/{{Chimaira}}, Music/{{Converge}} and Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan's home level, and Heaven Shall Burn often reaches this level as well. GrooveMetal at this level usually has a lot of DeathMetal influence.[[note]]See the examples from Chimaira, Fear Factory, [=DevilDriver=], Gojira, Meshuggah, Pantera and Slipknot at this level.[[/note]] {{Dubstep}} with a significant metal infusion ("metalstep"/"brostep") can also be found here.[[note]]Most of Music/{{Skrillex}}'s harsher output resides at this level.[[/note]] This is also where you start to see Funeral Doom, Drone Doom, and Death/Doom.

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# This is most DeathMetal and BlackMetal[='=]s home level. Lyrics start to get positively disturbing and/or {{gorn}}y and the singer will always be growling or screaming, though clean vocals can be used for [[SopranoAndGravel contrast]] or [[OneWomanWail for]] [[OminousLatinChanting sound]] [[CreepyChildrenSinging effects]]. The hardest variants of ThrashMetal,[[note]]especially German thrash metal[[/note]] MelodicDeathMetal,[[note]]See the examples from Septicflesh and The Black Dahlia Murder at this level[[/note]] and viking/folk metal can hit this point, but that is quite uncommon. At this point hardcore bands become indistinguishable from metal to anyone who's not a loyal fan of both genres, since hardcore at this level is blatantly influenced by metal. Likewise, Thrash Metal on this level can sound pretty close to Death Metal to the uninitiated. AvantGardeMetal can be found here, but it involves crossover with Extreme Metal genres at this point (see Music/{{Gorguts}} , Music/DeathspellOmega and [[Music/JohnZorn Naked City]] for examples) At this point HardcorePunk becomes {{grindcore}}, and while it is possible for a {{metalcore}} band to get this high, it's very rare, although this is Music/{{Chimaira}}, Music/{{Converge}} and Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan's home level, and Heaven Shall Burn often reaches this level as well. GrooveMetal at this level usually has a lot of DeathMetal influence.[[note]]See the examples from Chimaira, Fear Factory, [=DevilDriver=], Gojira, Meshuggah, Pantera and Slipknot at this level.[[/note]] {{Dubstep}} with a significant metal infusion ("metalstep"/"brostep") can also be found here.[[note]]Most of Music/{{Skrillex}}'s harsher output resides at this level.[[/note]] This is also where you start to see Funeral Doom, Drone Doom, and Death/Doom.
27th Jan '17 5:27:21 AM LooneyCartoons
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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily The Music/JimiHendrix Experience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. This is mostly as high as PostPunk gets. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.

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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily The Music/JimiHendrix Experience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. This is mostly as high as PostPunk gets. NoiseRock begins here. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.



# Lighter DeathMetal (especially MelodicDeathMetal) or harder ThrashMetal. Most experimental metal groups creep up to this level as well. You'll also find a lot of the less abrasive 'true' BlackMetal here. To the uninitiated, songs at this level and beyond could be NightmareFuel in musical form. Here is about where you start to get singers [[HarshVocals growling]] or [[MetalScream screaming]] for most of the song; this is also probably the highest level that can be attained with clean singing as the main vocal style. Lyrics may be very violent or just generally extremely dark. This is the last zone where you are likely to find hardcore punk that doesn't have a substantial metal or noise infusion. {{Metalcore}} continues to be found here, as well as the lighter end of {{deathcore}}. This is also pure HardcorePunk[='=]s absolute peak of hardness in the scale. Most viking/folk metal that has a significant infusion of BlackMetal or DeathMetal falls here. A lot of the heavier side of GrooveMetal is found here. ProgressiveMetal at this level often incorporates extreme metal elements. PowerMetal can be found here, but it almost always involves crossover with other genres at this point (see Music/ScarSymmetry and Music/ChildrenOfBodom for examples). This is the home level of the three big melodeath bands (Music/InFlames, Music/AtTheGates and Music/DarkTranquillity) before they changed styles, as well as Music/AmonAmarth and later Music/FleshgodApocalypse. Similarly, of the big four of thrash, this was Slayer's playing field most of the time[[note]]Although at their time they would've been the prime level 10 example.[[/note]]. In regards to Industrial, however, this is the home level for some EBM/Electronic Body Music[[note]]See Combichrist and Auto Aggression's examples at this level.[[/note]].

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# Lighter DeathMetal (especially MelodicDeathMetal) or harder ThrashMetal. Most experimental metal groups creep up to this level as well. You'll also find a lot of the less abrasive 'true' BlackMetal here. To the uninitiated, songs at this level and beyond could be NightmareFuel in musical form. Here is about where you start to get singers [[HarshVocals growling]] or [[MetalScream screaming]] for most of the song; this is also probably the highest level that can be attained with clean singing as the main vocal style. Lyrics may be very violent or just generally extremely dark. This is the last zone where you are likely to find hardcore punk that doesn't have a substantial metal or noise infusion. {{Metalcore}} continues to be found here, as well as the lighter end of {{deathcore}}. This is also pure HardcorePunk[='=]s absolute peak of hardness in the scale. Most viking/folk metal that has a significant infusion of BlackMetal or DeathMetal falls here. A lot of the heavier side of GrooveMetal is found here. ProgressiveMetal at this level often incorporates extreme metal elements. PowerMetal can be found here, but it almost always involves crossover with other genres at this point (see Music/ScarSymmetry and Music/ChildrenOfBodom for examples). This is the home level of the three big melodeath bands (Music/InFlames, Music/AtTheGates and Music/DarkTranquillity) before they changed styles, as well as Music/AmonAmarth and later Music/FleshgodApocalypse. Similarly, of the big four of thrash, this was Slayer's playing field most of the time[[note]]Although at their time they would've been the prime level 10 example.[[/note]]. In regards to Industrial, however, this is the home level for some EBM/Electronic Body Music[[note]]See Combichrist and Auto Aggression's examples at this level.[[/note]]. This is probably the last level where you'll find Noise Rock. Past this point, it turns into {{Grindcore}}.
13th Jan '17 8:44:49 PM Spyspotter
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# Rock sans intensifier. A bit faster/louder/darker than 2, but still pretty soft. The heaviest soft rock and the softest hard rock and dance-punk can both be found here. PopPunk begins at this level. Most of the songs in this level come across as more "radio-friendly/MTV-friendly" than those on higher levels. Cinematic music/film score starts at this level. Most "danceable" ElectronicMusic (especially the lighter end of {{Eurobeat}}, [[HardcoreTechno happy hardcore]] and {{trance}}) end up at this level. This is also the home level for {{Synthpop}} and [[NewWaveMusic New Wave]].

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# Rock sans intensifier. A bit faster/louder/darker than 2, but still pretty soft. The heaviest soft rock and the softest hard rock and dance-punk can both be found here. PopPunk begins at this level. Most of the songs in this level come across as more "radio-friendly/MTV-friendly" than those on higher levels. Cinematic music/film score starts at this level. Most "danceable" ElectronicMusic (especially the lighter end of {{Eurobeat}}, [[HardcoreTechno happy hardcore]] and {{trance}}) end up at this level. This is also the home level for {{Synthpop}} and {{Synthpop}}, [[NewWaveMusic New Wave]].Wave]], and {{Disco}}.
6th Dec '16 4:26:57 AM WhatArtThee
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# Classic metal and most PowerMetal. This is also (mostly) the point after which Punk transitions into Hardcore Punk. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though clean and melodic (often classically trained for Power Metal) singing is still standard, usually saving harsh vocals for occasionally [[SopranoAndGravel emphasizing the contrast between styles]]. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here, as well as much NuMetal. Viking and FolkMetal start showing up around here. The lightest GrooveMetal can be found here. AlternativeMetal with more emphasis on the 'metal' part starts showing up here as well as most ProgressiveMetal. Most metal/electronic crossovers either begin here (metallic dubstep and drum and bass) or end here (hard trance, tech trance, {{Speedy Techno Remix}}es, and Eurobeat). Metalcore will only occasionally be found here, but when it is, it usually lacks harsh vocals, save for a token scream or two (think, most of Music/AllThatRemains recent songs, or most old Avenged Sevenfold) or the occasional {{yarling}}.

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# Classic metal and most PowerMetal. This is also (mostly) the point after which where Punk transitions into Hardcore Punk. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though clean and melodic (often classically trained for Power Metal) singing is still standard, usually saving harsh vocals for occasionally [[SopranoAndGravel emphasizing the contrast between styles]]. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here, as well as much NuMetal. Viking and FolkMetal start showing up around here. The lightest GrooveMetal can be found here. AlternativeMetal with more emphasis on the 'metal' part starts showing up here as well as most ProgressiveMetal. Most metal/electronic crossovers either begin here (metallic dubstep and drum and bass) or end here (hard trance, tech trance, {{Speedy Techno Remix}}es, and Eurobeat). Metalcore will only occasionally be found here, but when it is, it usually lacks harsh vocals, save for a token scream or two (think, most of Music/AllThatRemains recent songs, or most old Avenged Sevenfold) or the occasional {{yarling}}.
5th Nov '16 9:01:07 AM LooneyCartoons
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# Soft rock and most pop. A lot of early rock can be found here. This is also the level where guitar distortion starts to appear. The lighter end of ClassicalMusic can also be found here. Pop ballads begin at this level. PostPunk starts appearing here.
# Rock sans intensifier. A bit faster/louder/darker than 2, but still pretty soft. The heaviest soft rock and the softest hard rock and dance-punk can both be found here. PopPunk begins at this level. Most of the songs in this level come across as more "radio-friendly/MTV-friendly" than those on higher levels. Cinematic music/film score starts at this level. Most "danceable" ElectronicMusic (especially the lighter end of {{Eurobeat}}, [[HardcoreTechno happy hardcore]] and {{trance}}) end up at this level. This is also the home level for {{synthpop}}.

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# Soft rock and most pop. A lot of early rock can be found here. This is also the level where guitar distortion starts to appear. The lighter end of ClassicalMusic can also be found here. Pop ballads begin at this level. PostPunk starts appearing here. The softest AlternativeRock is found here.
# Rock sans intensifier. A bit faster/louder/darker than 2, but still pretty soft. The heaviest soft rock and the softest hard rock and dance-punk can both be found here. PopPunk begins at this level. Most of the songs in this level come across as more "radio-friendly/MTV-friendly" than those on higher levels. Cinematic music/film score starts at this level. Most "danceable" ElectronicMusic (especially the lighter end of {{Eurobeat}}, [[HardcoreTechno happy hardcore]] and {{trance}}) end up at this level. This is also the home level for {{synthpop}}.{{Synthpop}} and [[NewWaveMusic New Wave]].



# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory, and about as light as you can get while being undeniably metal. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.

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# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory, and about as light as you can get while being undeniably metal. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. It's also generally the final level where regular AlternativeRock appears. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.
21st Oct '16 9:38:35 PM Spyspotter
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# As soft as rock (and to an extent, most music) gets. May be an otherwise 2 song without any guitar to distort, or a song which is generally slow and light. Most acoustic music, baroque pop, and DreamPop can be found here.

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# As soft as rock (and to an extent, most music) gets. May be an otherwise 2 song without any guitar to distort, or a song which is generally slow and light. Most acoustic music, baroque pop, and DreamPop can be found here. Additionally, folk without a significant rock influence is mostly here.
7th Oct '16 7:06:04 PM Spyspotter
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# As soft as rock (and to an extent, most music) gets. May be an otherwise 2 song without any guitar to distort, or a song which is generally slow and light. Most acoustic music and baroque pop can be found here.
# Soft rock and most pop. A lot of early rock can be found here. This is also the level where guitar distortion starts to appear. The lighter end of ClassicalMusic can also be found here. Pop ballads begin at this level.

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# As soft as rock (and to an extent, most music) gets. May be an otherwise 2 song without any guitar to distort, or a song which is generally slow and light. Most acoustic music and music, baroque pop pop, and DreamPop can be found here.
# Soft rock and most pop. A lot of early rock can be found here. This is also the level where guitar distortion starts to appear. The lighter end of ClassicalMusic can also be found here. Pop ballads begin at this level. PostPunk starts appearing here.



# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily The Music/JimiHendrix Experience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.
# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in rock or pop territory, and about as light as you can get while remaining in metal territory. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.

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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily The Music/JimiHendrix Experience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. This is mostly as high as PostPunk gets. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.
# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in rock or pop territory, and about as light as you can get while remaining in metal territory.being undeniably metal. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.
29th Aug '16 4:09:50 PM WhatArtThee
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# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in pop territory and about as light as you can get while remaining in metal territory. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.

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# Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar or any non-electric instrument. This is also about as hard as you can get while remaining in rock or pop territory territory, and about as light as you can get while remaining in metal territory. HairMetal and classic {{grunge}} can often be found here. Most AlternativeMetal starts showing up here. The lightest ProgressiveMetal shows up here. The lighter end of {{Industrial}} music shows up here. This is the last level where you can find film score that does not have a metal or electronic infusion. This is also the level where ClassicalMusic transitions into neoclassical and symphonic metal[[note]]See Nightwish and Within Temptation's examples at this level[[/note]]. This is usually the highest level you'll find pure PopPunk, past this point its usually infused with either metal or hardcore. On average, this is where most AvantGardeMetal and other experimental or "weird" (such as psychedelic trance) genres can be found.



# Most ThrashMetal, and heavier forms of PowerMetal along with some classic metal. HairMetal tends to creep into this level as well (think of early Music/XJapan or Music/{{Loudness}}). Lyrics are usually very dark at this point. Vocal style is usually a snarl (most thrash metal uses this singing type), but clean singing is also common. Occasionally [[HarshVocals growls]] and [[MetalScream screams]] will be employed. Most hardcore punk is here, as well as the lighter end of {{metalcore}} and crossover thrash (fusion of thrash metal and hardcore punk). Whether purists want to hear it or not, the lighter and more atmospheric side of BlackMetal also starts here as does very light MelodicDeathMetal. Grunge and post-grunge occasionally creep into this level as well. You'll also find yet more viking/folk metal populating this region. Most GrooveMetal is here. This is probably as hard as you can get while remaining in "rock" territory, though it is very rare. In general, this is also pretty much as hard as you can get with significant radio or MTV play or if you want your song featured in VideoGame/GuitarHero or VideoGame/RockBand. AlternativeMetal or NuMetal at this level usually has a lot of influence from more aggressive metal genres. The heavier sides of ProgressiveMetal can be found here. Of the Big 4 of Thrash, Metallica, Megadeth and Anthrax were often found here, at least when they were still unambiguously thrash. This is also the point where pure {{Industrial}} and IndustrialMetal begin to sound almost indistinguishable from one another.

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# Most ThrashMetal, and heavier forms of PowerMetal along with some classic metal. HairMetal tends to creep into this level as well (think of early Music/XJapan or Music/{{Loudness}}). Lyrics are usually very dark at this point. Vocal style is usually a snarl (most thrash metal uses this singing type), but clean singing is also common. Occasionally [[HarshVocals growls]] and [[MetalScream screams]] will be employed. Most hardcore punk is here, as well as the lighter end of {{metalcore}} and crossover thrash (fusion of thrash metal and hardcore punk). Whether purists want to hear it or not, the lighter and more atmospheric side of BlackMetal also starts here as does very light MelodicDeathMetal. Grunge and post-grunge occasionally creep into this level as well. You'll also find yet more viking/folk metal populating this region. Most GrooveMetal is here. This is probably as hard as you can get while remaining in "rock" territory, though it is very rare. In general, this is also pretty much as hard as you can get with significant radio or MTV play or if you want your song featured in VideoGame/GuitarHero or VideoGame/RockBand. AlternativeMetal or NuMetal at this level usually has a lot of influence from more aggressive metal genres. The heavier sides of ProgressiveMetal can be found here. Of the Big 4 of Thrash, Metallica, Megadeth and Anthrax were often found here, at least when they were still unambiguously thrash. This is also the point where pure {{Industrial}} and IndustrialMetal begin to sound almost indistinguishable from one another.
13th Jul '16 7:05:11 PM Mynameisk
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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily The Music/JimiHendrix Experience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Here, you can also find [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKt7UPlyDo4 the resident lava world theme from Yoshi's Woolly World]]. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.

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# Hard rock that is definitely still rock. This level was first pioneered by instrumental SurfRock, but it wasn't until PsychedelicRock (primarily The Music/JimiHendrix Experience and Music/TheWho) that it was widely explored. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. This is also where mid-range post-grunge and the very heaviest dance-punk (e.g. Death from Above 1979, Music/ElectricSix and Music/DoesItOffendYouYeah) can generally be found. This is the last level where you can find classical music that does not have electronic or modernist elements. Here, you can also find [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKt7UPlyDo4 the resident lava world theme from Yoshi's Woolly World]]. Baroque pop at this level often incorporates elements from harsher music genres. Discounting ballads, HairMetal starts here [[note]]of course, the hair metal at this level usually has more in common with Hard Rock than metal [[/note]], think Music/DangerDanger or Saraya. With a few exceptions, this is usually the higher end of mainstream CountryMusic as well.
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